I'm pretty new to this android stuff. I have rooted my phone and gotten titanium backup, but I also put CWM on it. I booted into CWM and had it backup my system. So what is the difference between titanium backup and CWM? I have heard people say that you should not back up system files with titanium, just apps and user data. Does CWM cover the system backup stuff? If titanium is able to backup user data and system files, why not just use that for everything? And how come titanium can run from the OS while CWM needs to be booted into?
Welcome to the world of rooting
So there is a fundamental difference between using CWM/TWRP to do a backup VS doing a backup from Titanium.
Doing a backup from CWM/TWRP backs up the system as a whole - think of it as a way to restore back whatever version you have - for instance I have a backup of my deoxed stock verizon image, i can boot to that anytime - i even have one with stock that I can revert to as well.
So this backup created by CWM/TWRP are an EXACT 1:1 image of what you have on your system.
Now the backup from Titanium is more for when you flash and need to put on your apps again you could use google play to restore everything OR use Titanium. Titanium is good for backing up the apps and their data - i don't use the system function.
So usage scenarios are:
1. I need to back to another image i had > use CWM/TWRP backup
2. I just flashed to a great new ROM <insert_name> and want to have the same apps i had when i had my previous rom, install titanium open it up and restore the apps you had backed up.
I hope this helps.
Cwm needs to be booted into and you use it to wipe data, cache, etc. Also make a nandroid makeup of your whole system which includes system files, apps, recovery images etc. Cwm isn't really good for restore specific apps. Its good for restoring the system as a whole. That's where titanium comes in. Can back up all apps, individual apps. Freeze and uninstall. Just a lot easier to work with
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Welcome to the world of rooting
So there is a fundamental difference between using CWM/TWRP to do a backup VS doing a backup from Titanium.
Doing a backup from CWM/TWRP backs up the system as a whole - think of it as a way to restore back whatever version you have - for instance I have a backup of my deoxed stock verizon image, i can boot to that anytime - i even have one with stock that I can revert to as well.
So this backup created by CWM/TWRP are an EXACT 1:1 image of what you have on your system.
Now the backup from Titanium is more for when you flash and need to put on your apps again you could use google play to restore everything OR use Titanium. Titanium is good for backing up the apps and their data - i don't use the system function.
So usage scenarios are:
1. I need to back to another image i had > use CWM/TWRP backup
2. I just flashed to a great new ROM <insert_name> and want to have the same apps i had when i had my previous rom, install titanium open it up and restore the apps you had backed up.
I hope this helps.
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This.
You can also use titanium to do stuff like freeze applications or move them to your sd card.
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Agreed - you will want both, but really you will use Titanium on your day to day when flashing, the other is for some more safe failures - although really you will probably have few but Titanium is good for scheduled back ups etc..
Very usefull if you do nightlies as well.
OP here, thanks for the info guys. Coincidentally, after making this thread I went into Titanium to backup my user data since I hadn't done it before, and I am getting an error:
"Batch backup interrupted, insufficient free storage space"
I have 25GB on my ext card but within Titanium it shows "This folder is not writable." Something's up with the permissions. I thought I could plug the phone in via USB, then try to set the permissions on the folders. So I plug it in, but the ext card shows completely empty on the PC.
I have manually added files to the ext card through my PC in the past, so something fishy is going on. I am able to backup to the internal memory, so it looks like I need to figure out how to fix the permissions on the ext card. Within my root browser the permissions show write access for owner.
Edit: Titanium really doesn't want to save backups to the external card... But I can create them on internal memory and move them over I guess.
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I'm curious about this. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Lets say that I'm on stock 2.2, rooted. I do a nandroid backup. Then I allow the upgrade for 2.2.2. Of course I lose root.
Will a nandroid restore, restore root, or will I have to root again?
A full nandroid restore will restore everything - the system and data - and you will be right back where you were, on 2.2 and rooted.
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A full nandroid restore will restore everything - the system and data - and you will be right back where you were, on 2.2 and rooted.
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Ahh, okay.
So to confirm that I understand you correctly...
...the 2.2.2 update won't hold after the nandroid restore? I'll be back to 2.2, as it was before the (2.2.2) update?
If you just wanna backup and restore your apps, use Titanium Backup (it's free on the Market).
Nandroid backs up your entire phone. When you restore a nandroid backup your phone will be exactly like it was when you made the backup. Restoring a nandroid backup is used to recover from a crash or to revert to a previous ROM.
After a ROM change I will set up my accounts, root if needed and do any other basic setup stuff and then, before installing any apps, do a nandroid backup. I can then go back to a "fresh install" if I want to. I also do a nandroid each weekly to capture the state of my phone.
Backing up apps and restoring them across different ROMs may or may not work for you. When I have tried this with Titanium Backup I had many force closes and ended up reinstalling everything from the market. Others have had success. I have read the MyBackup pro does better, but most suggest that you just backup and restore data not the app itself.
I have not tried backing up my apps to Google, which you can do in later versions of Android. Go to Privacy in the setting menu and then to Backup and restore. There are boxes for data backup and automatic restore you can check. maybe someone who has used this can comment on how well it works.
If your nandroid backups hang up at "backing up firstboot" get the latest version of StreakMod Recovery.
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Backing up apps and restoring them across different ROMs may or may not work for you. When I have tried this with Titanium Backup I had many force closes and ended up reinstalling everything from the market. Others have had success. I have read the MyBackup pro does better, but most suggest that you just backup and restore data not the app itself.
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After installing a fresh ROM and rooting my device, the first thing I do is install Busybox. Then, with Titanium Backup I do Restore Apps Only, then reboot my device. I never get any FC's with this restore process.
Thanks!
Thank you everyone. I appreciate the info.
I've used Titanium BU, and have busybox installed too.
It was just a matter of if after an update (OTA), and restore with Nandroid, would root still be in place.
I totally understand what you guys are saying now.
I've also been using MyBackup to see how it compares to Titanium. So far so good.
~X
I prefer mybackup root to titanium. It's far more user friendly and more automated (in the free version). As for nandroids, I always take a backup before doing any system changes (hacks or rom updates) so I can roll back to a known good system if needs be.
BTW - it is a good idea to copy your ROM backups to another device, just in case your SD card dies. I copy mine to one of my desktop computers and to a USB drive. I usually back up my entire SD card, except my music folders, every couple of weeks.
Where does Nandroid put the backups so I can rename them and save off phone?
mine (from Streakmod recovery) are in /sdcard/rom_backup
StreakMod recovery puts the backups on the SD Card in a folder named rom_backup.
Each backup is in a sub-folder of it's own and uses a date-time format for the folder name. I rename the folders with a meaningful name by just pre-pending to the name. So my last backup is named BB351-2011-06-18-02.41.04. The following files are created:
.android_secure.img
boot.img
cache.img
data.img
firstboot.img
recovery.img
system.img
nandroid.md5
the md5 file is a text file that contains the md5 sums for the other files. This file is used to verify the other files when they are restored.
Hello m8's
1) i am on Lite.romv1.4 now say i want to mig to a diff rom which does
a full wipe , so i'll take the back up(via cwm recovery)
-now that backup is stored on my int. storage , even if i move it to some
other place say my system , at the time of restore can we do it directly
from the system(point is does the backup file needs to be there in the
device storage(int or ext) at the time of restore - assuming device is
connected)
2)now when a diff rom is loaded (which has done full wipe) ,
-any other way can i get my prev data and app installed settings without
restore
-and if i do restore what exact will happen , mean ,will my prev app and data
settings get restored on top of new rom or something else?
3)How to get cwm recovery menu screen from PHONE Switched OFF state?
4)how can i delete samsung hub apps by editing system and framework files?
(assuming i have req explorer)
Thanks in advance
Cheers
EDIT:so it's not a noob query
anyone can throw some light
c'mmon guys am in dark here
Me no understand could you translate into easy to understand .
jje
Titanium Backup will do everything you asked for (I recomment the Pro version and you MUST be rooted).
It will backup and restore apps and data, and will also freeze or uninstall any app.
It's on the market for free, but I really do recommend paying the small amount for the full version.
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Titanium Backup will do everything you asked for (I recomment the Pro version and you MUST be rooted).
It will backup and restore apps and data, and will also freeze or uninstall any app.
It's on the market for free, but I really do recommend paying the small amount for the full version.
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+1 Ti is one of the few apps I would recommend to anyone that wants to flash roms. You can backup all your apps and settings before a flash and then restore quickly and easily. The freeze function is very handy also. IMO you buy this one and never look back. A MUST HAVE.
A nand backup will be used to restore the phone as it already exists. It does not backup apps and settings specifically but you can pull apks and such out of one. Basically you do a nand before you start playing around and if you screw something up or just take an instant dislike to the new rom you flashed you can go into recovery and restore that nand and your phone will be just like you never did anything. It will not however back up your radio.
What I do is backup a few apps data separately and then go into Ti and backup all my apps and system data. I boot into recovery and I make a nand. Then I go over to usb storage and I move the entire contents of the sd over to my computer. This will have both the nand and the Ti backup on it. I delete the entire internal storage after I have taken a quick look to make sure that the backup on my pc is good. This gives me a completely fresh base to start a new rom from. Once I have the new rom flashed I move my ti backup over and restore. I then move the other data that the backup contains that I want back on the phone over and I'm up and running. I keep my music and other stuff that is just going to move from one flash to the next on my sd card as it isnt wiped in the process even if you do a hard reset and it can just stay there without the hassle of backing it up and restoring it. Do not delete your backup until you are sure that you have everything you may want back across to your phone. I usually keep it until the next rom when I start the process over with a new backup.
@JJEgan - which part
@johncmolyneux ,@krabman - thnx guys
so int. usb storage will also be wiped in the process, right?
also can u clarify
- How to get cwm recovery menu screen from PHONE Switched OFF state(like we see by using the function from cwm app -> reboot into CWM rec)
- how can i delete samsung hub apps by editing system and framework files(or if any other file for that matter)?
(assuming i have req explorer)
Hi.
I want to find out wich is the BEST COMPLETE BACKUP of any android mobile phone program and if i can install it to an UNROOTED android phone.
I hear that clockwork is the best but i don't know if this program can work fine with UNROOTED phones because it suggest to install it only to rooted phone.
So please the persons who KNOW can answer to me with proof.
A LOF OF THANKS FOR ALL.
gotta have root for those backup programs.
Sync your contacts to Google and there you have a back up of them. Any paid apps from the market will always be allowed to be downloaded by you since you paid for them.
"I love my Springfield XD40"
So isn't there any program that it can do a complete backup of any android phone WITHOUT rooted or sing into google?
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So isn't there any program that it can do a complete backup of any android phone WITHOUT rooted or sing into google?
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Not that I'm aware of. What are information are you trying to back up?
"I love my Springfield XD40"
Everything so even the mobile doesn't open at all i can restore it and recovered at the position it was when i was make the backup.
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Everything so even the mobile doesn't open at all i can restore it and recovered at the position it was when i was make the backup.
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O...nope. your definitely going to have to root to have access to that.
"I love my Springfield XD40"
firstly you need root for any significant backup, withought it the best thing i would sujest is connecting your phone to a computer and just copy everything over, that will save most apps and things. But even with root i am not aware af any comprehensive backup app because there is so much to backup: ROM, Kernel, Contacts, Data, Apps as well as different locations where they are: OS storage, internal SD and external SD.
despite this i have found helpfull combinations of:
App Backup & Restore
Mobile Backup II
MyBackup Root
Titanium Backup
ROM Manager
some need root, some don't and some are partialy limited without root, but all were helpfull and have saved my rear a few times
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Everything so even the mobile doesn't open at all i can restore it and recovered at the position it was when i was make the backup.
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There is a way. Bring a storage device like a thumb drive and go into a sprint store or a radio Shack. They have machines (cellebrite) that can backup contacts pictures video and sd contents. Or you can do it yourself buy pushing everything to dropbox.
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thronnos said:
There is a way. Bring a storage device like a thumb drive and go into a sprint store or a radio Shack. They have machines (cellebrite) that can backup contacts pictures video and sd contents. Or you can do it yourself buy pushing everything to dropbox.
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Yeah, that's not "everything". If you want EVERYTHING backed up on your phone, you're going to need root. Normal "copy everything off of the SD card" doesn't get you things like app data or preferences/settings (like ringtone and notification tone settings, as two out of a thousand possible examples).
Now, if your device has fastboot enabled and you have an on-hand recovery image, you can likely
Code:
fastboot boot recovery-clockwork-touch-5.8.0.2-crespo4g.img
(make appropriate substitutions for your on-hand recovery image file and device), and then do a nandroid backup from there. Aside from the data written to your storage device (on-device or SD card), that shouldn't permanently modify your system in any way.
With the titanium backup that it work ONLY on a rooted mobile we can make A FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of any android mobile.
And when i am saying full complete backup i mean(Rom, kernel, apps, settings e.t.c.) ALL the things that it has the mobile this time.
And after a change of rom or kernel i can restore ONLY the apps and settings to the changed rom/kernel?
A LOT OF THANKS.
fits79 said:
With the titanium backup that it work ONLY on a rooted mobile we can make A FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of any android mobile.
And when i am saying full complete backup i mean(Rom, kernel, apps, settings e.t.c.) ALL the things that it has the mobile this time.
And after a change of rom or kernel i can restore ONLY the apps and settings to the changed rom/kernel?
A LOT OF THANKS.
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TB doesn't backup kernel and its settings, widgets placed on homescreen, and certain system apps when you reflash same Rom. Only one way is a android backup which is same as an image backup in windows.
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So there isn't any program that backups EVERYTHING so you can restore it by choice everything you want....
Clockwork doesn't do a COMPLETE FULL BACKUP of any mobile?
I search one program that can make a A COMPLETE FULL BACKUP of any android mobile device like samsung galaxy s2.
Clockwork backs up your entire system. Including apps installed to sd card, but it won't backup info on your sd card normal storage (the one you can use a usb mass storage).
clockwork nandroid backup+regular backup of sd card = full backup of everything on your phone.
Of course, successful restore of the backup without modifications will only work in phones with the same model (no restoring a gingerbread backup of an htc device to an ics samsung device for example)
So clockwork can make a FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of entire monbile into an external usb har disk corrrect?
Then you can restore ONLY the apps if you install a custom rom to the mobile or the restore must be a complete and not a part of it.
A 'nandroid' which is done with clockworkmod or twrp or amon-ra is a complete backup...
Titanium backup does an app by app backup...
Titanium backup will also let you open the backup and pick out apps to restore if you use clockworkmod or twrp
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fits79 said:
So clockwork can make a FULL COMPLETE BACKUP of entire monbile into an external usb har disk corrrect?
Then you can restore ONLY the apps if you install a custom rom to the mobile or the restore must be a complete and not a part of it.
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Yes but not to a USB hard disk. You can chose from internal or externa SD card.
After that you can move it line any other file.
Pretty comon on flashaholics. They try a ROM and a few minutes later flash his entire system(nandroid backup) back.
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What is the twrp.
And the complete system backup you do with clockwork can toy restore ONLY the apps from this backup to a custom rom or kernel that may you have installed at the mobile like samsung galaxy s2?
Where is the clockwork and titanium backup topics so i ask here to.
A LOT OF THANKS.
One more time .. recovery=clockworkmod and does a backup equivalent to an image file in windows. You can save backup to pc, flash other roms and restore your user apps+data from titanium backups and start using. If not happy, restore cwm backup and it'll be exactly how you had it before. Do a nandroid backup, transfer to pc and look inside using winrar, 7zip etc and you'll see what it saves.
When flashing different roms you may or may not restore data from apps via TB as certain data may affect stabily, each custom rom lets you know. For TB best to gooble search their site for guide, troubleshooting, q&a.
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So bottom line is that i can make a complete full backup with clockwork and then can make apps restore with titanium backup correct?
If i leave the oficial rom and change the kernel then i have any problems from the apps restorations?
Nandroid does the full image backup everything, system, boot, apps, data just like windows image restore
Titanium backup for apps + data is great when using same apps across different roms .. read up on its site
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I have been searching for an answer for this question for a couple of days now but have yet to find one, so I decided to go ahead and make a thread for it. What I am wondering, is how to create a backup of all my user data, apps, and app data that I can restore on different roms? I am currently stock rooted, however I have downloaded and wish to flash ARHD Rom, but I don't want to have to re install everything from scratch I just want to be able to click "restore" and have all my apps and data back.
Any Help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Guys.
Pure+ said:
I have been searching for an answer for this question for a couple of days now but have yet to find one, so I decided to go ahead and make a thread for it. What I am wondering, is how to create a backup of all my user data, apps, and app data that I can restore on different roms? I am currently stock rooted, however I have downloaded and wish to flash ARHD Rom, but I don't want to have to re install everything from scratch I just want to be able to click "restore" and have all my apps and data back.
Any Help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Guys.
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Because you are not rooted go this route. You do not require root.
1. Use the Helium app and copy the folder it creates onto your computer, it's called "CARBON." This will copy all apps and app data.
2. Use HTC Backup from the app store and backup everything onto dropbox. This will also backup your apps + data. It will be on a cloud storage so no need to push anything to anywhere.
3. Go into your SMS and hit the menu button. Backup all user text messaging. Copy to computer.
now you can report everything to anything.
After you are on your new ROM.
1. Run HTC Backup (comes with rom) and restore everything.
2. Use Helium to restore any missing apps.
3. Restore SMS.
Done.
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Because you are not rooted go this route. You do not require root.
1. Use the Helium app and copy the folder it creates onto your computer, it's called "CARBON." This will copy all apps and app data.
2. Use HTC Backup from the app store and backup everything onto dropbox. This will also backup your apps + data. It will be on a cloud storage so no need to push anything to anywhere.
3. Go into your SMS and hit the menu button. Backup all user text messaging. Copy to computer.
now you can report everything to anything.
After you are on your new ROM.
1. Run HTC Backup (comes with rom) and restore everything.
2. Use Helium to restore any missing apps.
3. Restore SMS.
Done.
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I am rooted, what I'm really wondering now is if I can restore the data portion of my nandroid backup after flashing the new rom or if that will result in a bunch of FC's?
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I am rooted, what I'm really wondering now is if I can restore the data portion of my nandroid backup after flashing the new rom or if that will result in a bunch of FC's?
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Use Titanium Backup and it can grab apps from a nandroid backup and restore them. navigate for this feature through the options menu.
http://www.guidingtech.com/13501/restore-apps-nandroid-titanium-backup/
Yes, you can flash a clean Rom then restore your data file from a previous backup. the only problem with that is that whatever problems you may have had before, may be present still. Otherwise, it doesn't hurt anything. In fact, both CWM and TWRP allow advanced restore where you can select portions of your back up to restore..one a time. In my opinion, it allows you to see, if a backup fails to restore, where exactly it is having trouble, be it in system, boot, data..etc. I literally just did this, restoring a data backup onto a clean Rom, and so far no issues. I understand what you mean by not wanting to set everything back up. System settings, widgets and app placements. You had the perfect setup and it took you forever to get it that way. Titanium backup and Rom Toolbox don't always restore these things like they claim to do.
Edit: I am finding the hard way with this phone, that unlike my old LG Mytouch, when you flash a firmware upgrade, non OTA push I mean, it doesn't stick to system. It's saved to data. So if you flash a data file from a backup with an older version, your back to that version. With my old phone, we could swap Roms after an update all day, and the baseband and firmware updates would stick every time.
Hi,
is it possible to backup a rooted android phone without recovery?
Backup must cover system apps, settings and maybe even all partitions - as much as possible
Thanks
As far as i know all "backup apps" cover only user apps and maybe system app settings, but i havent found any which includes all system apps itself too! Is there something which covers that too? Or asked with different words, is there a app (with root privilege) which can back up entire system partition?
Yes, with this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.h3r3t1c.onnandbup&hl=en_GB Online Nandroid Backup you can make a CWM or TWRP backup of everything on your phone, this works and have used it myself to make a backup when there was no custom recovery for my phone.
THIS app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.h3r3t1c.bkrestore&hl=en_GB Nandroid Manager says it can restore the backup you have made, but have never used it so cant confirm.
The first app saved everything from a stock rom so I could get all the files I needed to port a new rom, and all my data and apps so I know that works fine.