People have mentioned in other threads that touch screen sensitivity has been improved with the firmware update.
I can confirm that that is the case when using the TruGlide Pro Precision Stylus (which is the only capacitive pen I've tested this with). Before the update, the pen had difficulty writing on the screen. Lines were generally broken. It's much better now, though not perfect. Lines do occasionally break.
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There's allot of improvements, shells, skins..... that are finger-friendly...
I Really like it finger-friendly, it is more comfortable and usually looks good.
I've noticed that the TOUCH PAD of the IPhone is very sensitive for finger touch, while the Hermes needs a very hard touch (Relatively).
Is there a (hard) sensitive touchpad (Digitizer) for heremes ? (something more finger-touch friendly...)
I was looking in ebay, and noticed that there are 2 kinds of Digitizers, does someone knows the difference ?
Digitizer G1
Digitizer G2
Tnx.
I'm afraid neither of those will do what you might think they'd do. The term digitizer refers to a module that consists of a matrix to sense particular change of state in one (or more) given point(s) and translate that as coordinates data in digital form.
There are maybe 2 revisions of them in the ebay links you attached but I don't think they work differently, perhaps one has better sensitivity or responsiveness.
Digitizers activated by pressure works differently than ones activated by mere touch (capacitance). The first is noticable by the requirement of stylus or something to "press" a point to "short circuit" a tiny area in 2 thin layers that are stacked together, they know where the "short circuit" is and report that as the touch point. The latter is activated by the fact that the touch actually alters the "electrical charge" of that particular area.
Common portable devices nowadays still use the press-type, usually it is completely separated from and installed on top of the LCD (if you look closely to your screen when it's turned off you'll notice tiny dots which is the matrix), that's why sometimes they slide around and you have to recalibrate your touch screen. I hope this makes sense.
KaiserVideoDriver has it correct. That's why the iPhone has such a sensative touch screen. Also, I believe that the resistance based touch screens that our phones use are not capable of registering mulitple touch pionts, which is why Apple had to go the opposite route...in order to facilitate the multi touch interface.
From time to time I try and use my Hermes without the stylus, but I constantly find myself either tiring of the constant finger prints and smudges, or I get aggrevated over the touch screen seeming to have a fit from time to time and register touches wrong. It seems to be calibrated for the stylus (i.e. a small, firm touch point); the larger, spread out touch point of a meaty fingertip seems to drive the screen crazy and cause it to register the touch to either of the upper corners. Infuriating when it closes a program or tries to cancel an SMS on you.
What is the best stylus for the capacitive screen we have? I am looking for something with a fine point, let me know your opinions, thanks in advance!
Not how capacitive screens work
That's not how capacitive screens work. No matter how fine a stylus is, the screen will recognize the same thing. This is because a capacitive screen does not measure based on pressure, it measures based on current (At least, that's what I've been told).
If you wanted a finer tip to do finer things with,I'd go for an active digitizer display or resistive screen based phone (Which are basically obsolete now due to active digitizers and capacitive displays.
Hope that helps a bit.
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That's not how capacitive screens work. No matter how fine a stylus is, the screen will recognize the same thing. This is because a capacitive screen does not measure based on pressure, it measures based on current (At least, that's what I've been told).
If you wanted a finer tip to do finer things with,I'd go for an active digitizer display or resistive screen based phone (Which are basically obsolete now due to active digitizers and capacitive displays.
Hope that helps a bit.
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Yes it is true that capacitive detects current instead of touch, that does not mean that it is less accurate when discussing location of touch. The underlying grid determines this, but in todays screens, I would think it is as accurate as a resistive screen.
paravorheim said:
That's not how capacitive screens work. No matter how fine a stylus is, the screen will recognize the same thing. This is because a capacitive screen does not measure based on pressure, it measures based on current (At least, that's what I've been told).
If you wanted a finer tip to do finer things with,I'd go for an active digitizer display or resistive screen based phone (Which are basically obsolete now due to active digitizers and capacitive displays.
Hope that helps a bit.
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thank you but i am not looking to exchange this phone for a resistive phone, so given this new information, what is the most accurate stylus that isn't too thick
I was looking for the exact same thing, and ended up going with the "Newest Generation Slim Capacitive Stylus" by A Young Life (AYL). Got it off Amazon, but it might be available elsewhere as well. Works great, slides with minor resistance, and has a much narrower tip than other pens I've used.
While point width doesn't make much of a technical difference, it certainly affects usability. All capacitive stylus models I've seen use a round tip, and the point of contact at the bottom of that little semispherical nub is what registers as a touch on the screen. No matter the size, a sphere is going to converge to a single contact point (with a little give due to material and pressure). But, since you can't see through the pen, you have to estimate the center of the nub when touching it to the screen. The smaller the blind spot created by the nub, the smaller the margin of error.
I bought one off Ebay for .99 delivered from China. It's a small cute collapsable pen with a thin point. I haven't tried it yet because while the tip is thin to allow precise pointing, it is also made from a hard material and I'm scared it may scratch the screen. Is that possible?
If the tip is made for capacitive screens, it should not harm the Atrix gorilla glass.
Could anything sold for under a buck from China possibly harm....Anything?
Youbetcha. As Bush and Mao both said "Trust but verify". Even a gen-you-whine Palm stylus could scrtach Palm screens, so why trust the cheapest stuff from a no-name vendor in China to be any better?
Put on a screen protector first, much cheaper than replacing the screen.
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If the tip is made for capacitive screens, it should not harm the Atrix gorilla glass.
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I just received the one armathrillo is describing a couple posts back and I've got to say this thing is nice. The tip is actually a soft hollow bubble. You couldn't scratch a screen if you tried. It's nice and heavy but not too heavy. It feels like a nice solid pen. The little lanyard attachment is a nice touch. It detaches from the stylus and plugs into a 3.5mm headphone jack for storage. when you're done with the stylus just clip it on and the pen stays with the phone/tab/pad.
i know this is old, but I just recently heard about the jot stylus which seems to be fine point...
This has been addressed before under the 'Ghost response' thread but this is a simple resolution so i do not want it to get lost.
If you are experiencing weird touch responses when your Flyer is in charge/psu, and in a case/stand, it is due to capacitive link problems. Worst I get is zoom when I want to scroll and missed key entries...
These units (and I include all capacitive touch, hand-held devices in this) are expected to be HELD in one hand and touched by the other.
If you experience bad keyboard response, it's usually because it's on power and you are only using one finger on the screen. Just try putting a finger from your other hand on any part of the metal body at the same time and it works fine...
The SPen works great on the screen, but can't be used to activate the four capacitive 'buttons' at the bottom.....not sure why.
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The SPen works great on the screen, but can't be used to activate the four capacitive 'buttons' at the bottom.....not sure why.
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Because the part of the screen that contains the "digitizer" that the S-Pen uses doesn't cover the entire front face of the phone....it only covers the screen area.
Remember that the international version doesn't have the touch sensitive 4-buttons across the bottom...only a single mechanical button.
I assume the same screen digitizer was used for both devices.
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The SPen works great on the screen, but can't be used to activate the four capacitive 'buttons' at the bottom.....not sure why.
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There are certain movements you can do with the S-pen on the screen while holding the button on the S-pen that wil for example bring you back (in the browser(, show the menu, bring you to your homescreen!
When you're using the S Pen on the screen, it isn't actually using the capacitive capabilities to register the input, it's using the screen digitizer. The pen isn't capable of registering capacitive input.
With the Flyer's stylus you could actually use the other end of the pen as a capacitive stylus, although I'm pretty sure that's just a result of it being solid metal.
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Because the part of the screen that contains the "digitizer" that the S-Pen uses doesn't cover the entire front face of the phone....it only covers the screen area.
Remember that the international version doesn't have the touch sensitive 4-buttons across the bottom...only a single mechanical button.
I assume the same screen digitizer was used for both devices.
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The international version has a mechanical button (home) and two capacitive buttons (back and menu).
But as everyone said, the S-Pen isn't a capacitive stylus like you might buy to use for a tablet; the note has a proper digitizer, which allows things like pressure sensitivity. It's nowhere near as good as the sensitivity you get with a Wacom input device, but it's a helluva lot better than a normal capacitive stylus.
Find the manual for the s-pen on the market. There are many gestures that allow yô to open menu's and navigate.
I saw these both on Amazon and Ebay and decided to take a risk. It showed up today and I wanted to report my findings in case others are interested...
This is NOT a true S-Pen as it has no button and does not interact with the Wacom device at all (near as I can tell). It is just a basic capacitive stylus. But:
1. It is far less expensive at about $4 (true S-Pens are at least $15 from Korea on EBay and typically more).
2. It fits the silo well.
3. A side-by-side comparison shows it to be about .5 inch shorter than a true S-Pen.
4. It even will activate the capacitive touch buttons below the screen which the S-Pen will not. You do need to press harder/longer than you would think to get this to work.
5. Compared to the very rigid, pencil-like nib of the S-Pen, the tip of this feels pretty soft and flexible. It certainly feels different when doing some tasks - such as writing Graffiti input characters (which I do all the time). Not sure it is less accurate or bad in any way. Just feels quite different as the tip is soft and squishy and so there is a give in the setup that is not present at all in the S-Pen.
In some ways, this works better for me than the true S-Pen as its button gets pressed by accident some times. And the only thing I have ever used the button for was to trigger a screen shot capture and don't do that very often. The ability to trigger the touch buttons without having to switch from S-Pen to finger seems like an advantage but maybe not so much now that I have trained myself with the S-Pen.
Cheers!
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I need to add this. After only a couple day's use, this capacitive stylus has simply stopped working. No idea why. Have tried cleaning both screen and stylus tip. But the only response I get is after pressing way too hard and even then it is intermittent. So avoid these despite my original comments.
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I need to add this. This stylus is once again working just fine. I am not sure why. I did clean the screen this morning and perhaps that changed something. But as stated earlier I did that before without results. So the jury is still out on this one. I did, however, contact the seller on EBay and they are sending another unit free of charge.
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I saw these both on Amazon and Ebay and decided to take a risk. It showed up today and I wanted to report my findings in case others are interested...
This is NOT a true S-Pen as it has no button and does not interact with the Wacom device at all (near as I can tell). It is just a basic capacitive stylus. But:
1. It is far less expensive at about $4 (true S-Pens are at least $15 from Korea on EBay and typically more).
2. It fits the silo well.
3. A side-by-side comparison shows it to be about .5 inch shorter than a true S-Pen.
4. It even will activate the capacitive touch buttons below the screen which the S-Pen will not. You do need to press harder/longer than you would think to get this to work.
5. Compared to the very rigid, pencil-like nib of the S-Pen, the tip of this feels pretty soft and flexible. It certainly feels different when doing some tasks - such as writing Graffiti input characters (which I do all the time). Not sure it is less accurate or bad in any way. Just feels quite different as the tip is soft and squishy and so there is a give in the setup that is not present at all in the S-Pen.
In some ways, this works better for me than the true S-Pen as its button gets pressed by accident some times. And the only thing I have ever used the button for was to trigger a screen shot capture and don't do that very often. The ability to trigger the touch buttons without having to switch from S-Pen to finger seems like an advantage but maybe not so much now that I have trained myself with the S-Pen.
Cheers!
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I need to add this. After only a couple day's use, this capacitive stylus has simply stopped working. No idea why. Have tried cleaning both screen and stylus tip. But the only response I get is after pressing way too hard and even then it is intermittent. So avoid these despite my original comments.
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I found an S-pen for $12-$14 on ebay including shipping
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Original-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-Black-Stylus-S-Pen-GT-I9220-I9200-N7000-Bulk-/181039820035?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a26d06d03&_uhb=1#ht_4259wt_958
Not trying to promote them just providing a link so i dont come off a liar.