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Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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PaganAng3l said:
Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
wakestrong said:
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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g00s3y said:
Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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PaganAng3l said:
Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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ddgarcia05 said:
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
mbh87 said:
It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
garfnodie said:
How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
So, with the Evo 3D's bootloader locked down and with the SGSII conformed coming to sprint, it looks like my choice is clearly the SGSII or the Nexus S. You may ask yourself why I am even considering the NS over the SGSII? Simple question, what do you guys think (this is why I'm here asking this question)? I think it's safe to say the NS is a pretty solid phone, so how about the SGSII? How has it been running for you guys?
I've heard different things, such as battery issues and GPS issues, but this could be because it was posted on the EVO 3D's forum (major bias a possibility).
Also, my question on the bootloader. Is there a chance that the bootloader will get locked (similar to how the EVO 3D's got locked) when it makes the jump to the US? The bootloader being locked is why I crossed off the EVO 3D from my list; I simply can't live with a stock phone.
On a side note, I also heard somewhere that there was a case made for the SGSII that will fit ALL American derivatives, meaning the carries can't mess with the design (I love the current design, so this is a huge plus too)
So, I have two questions (if you didn't figure out what they were already):
1. Will the bootloader be affected by the transfer to the US carriers (specificially sprint)?
2. Are there any nagging problems that I should be aware of? On the other hand, are there any things you absolutely love on this phone that aren't on other phones ?
Thanks!
Well Nexus S it is ;-)
May I ask why?
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So, with the Evo 3D's bootloader locked down and with the SGSII conformed coming to sprint, it looks like my choice is clearly the SGSII or the Nexus S.
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Where is this confirmation?
Why would you want to buy a phone with last years hardware? I wouldn't even touch any phone that didn't have 1gb of ram and a dual core cpu nowadays.
Lol you don't need a hackable phone. I'm pretty sure htc and samsung are 2 different companies. Bootloader policy's are different.
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Where is this confirmation?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/05/24/confirmed-evo-3ds-bootloader-recovery-and-kernel-images-all-locked-down/
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Why would you want to buy a phone with last years hardware? I wouldn't even touch any phone that didn't have 1gb of ram and a dual core cpu nowadays.
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I don't actually plan on getting it, I was just trying to find a better word than "bump"
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/05/24/confirmed-evo-3ds-bootloader-recovery-and-kernel-images-all-locked-down/
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No... where is the confirmation that the SGSII is coming to Sprint?
Are there any Samsung phones that have a cryptographically signed bootloader or is it limited to HTC and Motorola so far?
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Are there any Samsung phones that have a cryptographically signed bootloader or is it limited to HTC and Motorola so far?
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it is likely signed on the sgs2, but the checking of signatures may not be enforced
An update for galaxy tab prevented unsigned kernels being flashed, but it was overcome, and seemed to die out
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-us-carrier-names-revealed-atandt-attain-veri/
Not verified by sprint, but seems pretty official without being official
My biggest two gripes keeping me from using the SG2?:
1. Most web sites are displayed as mobile versions (despite its 'fantastic PC-like web experience'. No 'user' option (desktop, ipad etc). Hate that. Yeah you can use another browser but Gingerbread stock is fastest. Dumb Samsung.
2. Charging rate is r e a l l y slow. When using device on charger...it won't charge!
No good for me.
I'm trying to decided between the Galaxy Nexus and the Droid 4.
I'm assuming Droid4 and RAZR will have the same exact hardware and therefore be pretty much interchangeable ROM wise. Is this correct?
If that is the case I'm heavily leaning toward the Droid 4 but it depends on 2 things.
1. With the "removable back", the battery being accessible without removing glued on case components(just screws)
2. The developer support for the RAZR/Droid4 being sizable despite the locked bootloader.
Thoughts?
The developer support is still growing and I think we will be satisfied in the end. But is not a nexus though.
There are some things happening already, for example someone have been able too boot ICS.
Also the bootloader will be unlocked when Moto releases ICS.
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Also the bootloader will be unlocked when Moto releases ICS.
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This is confirmed officially even on Verizon? If so the Droid 4 wins me over hands down.
Natolx said:
This is confirmed officially even on Verizon? If so the Droid 4 wins me over hands down.
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No, I'm sorry didn't think of Veri.
Moto said that they would unlock the bootloader if the operator is okay with it. So it's up to Verizon, and what I have heard they probably won't allow it.
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No, I'm sorry didn't think of Veri.
Moto said that they would unlock the bootloader if the operator is okay with it. So it's up to Verizon, and what I have heard they probably won't allow it.
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After doing some brief research on this, I read that the unlock tool that is released with the ICS update abroad will "probably" allow developers to unlock the Verizon RAZR. Is this actually likely?
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After doing some brief research on this, I read that the unlock tool that is released with the ICS update abroad will "probably" allow developers to unlock the Verizon RAZR. Is this actually likely?
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Likely? Probably not, but it might be possible for a dev to reverse engineer or figure it out...
Lots of IFs, but with Safestrap out now and devs working on roms, after we get FXZ or SBF, we will have a great device with lots of options for ROMs.
1. IIRC, the Droid 4 will also lack a removable battery.
2. ICS might not be released until May or June. By then the Razr will be an "old" phone, so it might not really take off with developers if it does not build momentum in the next 2-3 months while it is still "new."
-but from the looks of it the development of the Razr seems to be really starting to take off.
3. In terms of user base, the one thing that really helped the Razr was the 1 cent Amazon Wireless deal. It was the top phone available on Verizon at the time, so I'm sure that built a good base of users- but maybe not the type of users who develop ROMs.
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1. IIRC, the Droid 4 will also lack a removable battery.
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The Droid 4, there is some question as to whether the phone will have a removable battery or not.
The test units were not sent with the case removal tool that was seen on the spec sheet that was released today.
I haven't seen a new confirmation on the removable battery yet, and Motorola never confirmed anything on this front.
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2. ICS might not be released until May or June. By then the Razr will be an "old" phone, so it might not really take off with developers if it does not build momentum in the next 2-3 months while it is still "new."
-but from the looks of it the development of the Razr seems to be really starting to take off.
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That is of course IF - and this is a big IF, the Razr's bootloader gets unlocked before that. And judging by what I have seen, it doesn't take that long if the phone is a flagship phone... Correct me if I am wrong
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That is of course IF - and this is a big IF, the Razr's bootloader gets unlocked before that. And judging by what I have seen, it doesn't take that long if the phone is a flagship phone... Correct me if I am wrong
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The boatloader won't get unlocked. You'll see a workaround, like a 2nd-init, or something along those lines, but Verizon won't allow unlocked boatloaders, and Motorola is going to comply with Verizon's desire to keep the boatloader in lockdown.
That won't stop development, and ASOP ROM's which is what Droid Th3ory is working on, an ASOP ICS port.
mhhh but the Atrix have unlocked bootloader, why only that moto have that luck?
Atrix is on at&t. The carrier designates whether the boatloader stays locked or not. It isn't moto's decision.
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Atrix is on at&t. The carrier designates whether the boatloader stays locked or not. It isn't moto's decision.
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Except for the Galaxy Nexus...
So vzw allows the GNex unlocked but locks the Moto phones? Why?
quadjacks said:
So vzw allows the GNex unlocked but locks the Moto phones? Why?
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Very good question. Why don't you ask them? It would be interesting to hear their reply.
Well it looks like dev on this phone is dead!
I mean they have already released ICS 4.0.2 for the vzw GN and we ain't got **** yet!!
Looks like I'm going to have give this phone the wifey and go get me a GN.
Don't get me wrong I love the phone but no dev spt is a bummer!
...What are you talking about. The Nexus shipped with ICS in the first place, of course it got it before we did. And it got 4.0.2 update 2 hours later straight from Google. That has nothing to do with Dev support.
And naturally, since it's a Nexus device, it's gonna get ages more dev support than any other phone. But we are getting places ourselves. DroidTh3ory released RAZRX two days ago. He's working on ICS right now. We got Safestrap 2 days ago. Once we get the FXZ files we're probably going to get like 200x the support we're getting right now. Not to mention the Nexus' hardware which is composed of fantastic innards, but a plastic, easy-to-chip case, normal glass screen with minimal scratch resistance, & a weak radio.
It boggles me how you can say dev support is dead with all of the stuff that's LITERALLY happened in the past two days.
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So vzw allows the GNex unlocked but locks the Moto phones? Why?
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I posted this somewhere else, there's really 2 reasons for this:
1) Google required that the Nexus come "open".
2) In the agreement to carry the phone, essentially Samsung & Google have taken over support for the phone, to the point where the contract, while through Verizon, is actually supported by Google, and therefore they can dictate the bootloader.
That's what I could gather from reading up on how the Nexus came to be a Verizon phone. There were some pretty heavy negotiations here, and Verizon didn't want Sprint to get the phone, and couldn't stand to have another Iphone/Att&t exclusive situation happen again.
Now, for Moto, they are already heavily tied to Verizon, and so they have no leverage for getting their devices to be released as open.
They even were first (I believe) to start saying they wanted open phones, back when the xoom was released. They made a statement that by late 2011 they were going to release all their phones with unlocked bootloaders like the xoom was......that didn't happen because Verizon threatened to pull the phones if they did that.
Verizon even forced HTC to remove it's bootloader unlock tool on the web, if I'm not mistaken.
So it's really not Moto's fault, it's Verizon's, and the Nexus is going to be the way it is because Google has control, not Verizon.
yeah except the nexus ships locked and is unlockable through adb.
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So what you're saying is we'll get a ICS Rom from developers long before any Verizon update to ICS.....right? Because waiting till June is absurd! This phone is just too friggin good to not get some attention......is my opin,anyway....
Hello!
I don't know, maybe someone remembers me from P880 forum
Whatever - in that time the 4X HD had locked bootloader which no one was able to unlock it, so I decided to make a petition about it (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1852721). We succeed and we could unlock the bootloader via fastboot oem unlock in Jelly Bean update.
Now LG did it again, their G2 and G3 flagships as well as some other devices are locked as hell again. I decided today to reopen my petition and share this message to You guys so maybe we could get the unlockable bootloader again, or at least a way to unlock it like it is for example HTC phones.
Here's the link to the petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
Let's have at least some hope for it, so we could get easier development and also G3 development could rise.
My reopened petition has 4031 supporters (for now) so it should be a little visible
Individual emails have also the meaning. If You have a minute, please send emails to these addresses, also don't forget to mention about our petition:
[email protected]
[email protected]
EDIT: I'm posting in G3's petition thread to prevent (my) spam, also G3 community is the most active, so that's why I decided to keep posting and updating there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/general/petition-possibility-to-unlock-t2832032
Thanks reas0n for your petition I also signed it. I also remember about the 4xhd locked bootloader, I wanted to buy that after I sold my 2x which bootloader got unlocked by wkpark, but I didn't really bought it because of the locked boot loader.
Maybe with unlocked boot loader display problems mightnbe less and less vertical stripes while flashing ROMs. Unlocked boot loader would also offer more possibilities and better then bypassing the jellybean boot loader.
I hope this petition reaches fast the 10.000.
This should be on xda news so the petition will be fast 10.000 times signed by xda members.
Where do i sign ?
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Where do i sign ?
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it's here http://www.change.org/petitions/lg-...opportunity-to-unlock-bootloader-in-lg-phones
done:good::good:
Thanks, signed but had to switch to desktop site to do so ☺
Signed
I will share to my fan page 3661 member
Signed, thank you for opening the petition.
I didn't read it just signed so I hope I can trust you and didn't sign some crazy thing lol jk
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Signed!
Locked bootloaders are an absolute deal breaker for me with any device.
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i doubt lg will do anything about it, i signed it though its worth a try
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i doubt lg will do anything about it, i signed it though its worth a try
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Agreed on both counts.
But if LG is serious about putting a dent in samsungs sales they had better reconsider this locked bootloader for all crap.
If a carrier asks for it thats one thing but a generic lockdown is total BS.
Ive been waiting to get a G3 since they were announced and the locked BL is a HUGE letdown.
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force70 said:
Agreed on both counts.
But if LG is serious about putting a dent in samsungs sales they had better reconsider this locked bootloadet for all crap.
If a carrier asks for it thats one thing but a generic lockdown is total BS.
Ive been waiting to get a G3 since they were announced and the locked BL is a HUGE letdown.
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i owned a galaxy nexus earlier and it was a breeze, sadly the battery life was crap. ths ame goes with nexus 5. so i thought lg g2 was a better choice, and it was no regrets, sure the updates are a little late but i get such awesome camera features and some other proprietary stuff which i do enjoy to a certain extent
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i owned a galaxy nexus earlier and it was a breeze, sadly the battery life was crap. ths ame goes with nexus 5. so i thought lg g2 was a better choice, and it was no regrets, sure the updates are a little late but i get such awesome camera features and some other proprietary stuff which i do enjoy to a certain extent
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i had the Gnex ,too. glad that this petition is here. I just do my part!
Only for G2, but IT'S SOMETHING:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/general/devs-bootloadee-unlock-hint-t2840205
It may be useful, but we will see what devs will say.
Didn't want to leave my community without informations, so here's what I got from LG Open Source:
We know there are lots of requests to unlock bootloader.
We will inform you when we have good news.
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and LG Developer:
Thank you for your feedback regarding bootloader unlock and
we are sorry for any inconvenience and disappointment that have been caused by lack of support for bootloader unlock on the latest LG smartphones.
We are already aware of many developers’ requests and opinions on bootloader unlock.
So we have been preparing a server to provide safer bootloader unlock.
Also, we are internally discussing the target model and the time of providing bootloader unlock.
However, it will take some more time due to the technical restrictions, security issues, and the policy of mobile carriers.
We deeply apologize that we are unable to support bootloader unlock right now and would like to ask for your kind understanding.
We will let you know more specific information when the support policy for bootloader unlock is decided.
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Dan Rosenberg Unlocks Moto X Bootloader, Says Almost All Snapdragon Devices are Vulnerable
Be patient.
I made the thread about this, it won't work on G2.
What are the advantages of unlocked boot loader? As we have custom roms recovery root aosp roms etc..then for what?
I have a HTC one m8 now
The xda Forum of the m8 is very active and it´s possible to unlock every HTC with HTCs help.
I´m very interesstet in the new Lg g5 as my new device but i want to install custom roms and maybe other stuff, when i look in the forum of the v10 it looks not very good.
When i look in the Lg g4 forum the developer Support looks not bad.
So maybe someone can say something about the developer support of LG nowdays ?
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So maybe someone can say something about the developer support of LG nowdays ?
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I have the same question. After 4 years, the glass of my Galaxy Sii finally broke :crying: So I was looking at the S7 Edge to replace it, but here in Europe we get the Exynos version which is a no-go for custom ROMs. And because custom ROMs doubled the life of my Sii, I really want another phone that has good developer support.
There is of course the Nexus 6p, which seems to have a billion ROMs already. But I find it a bit large. The LG G5 looks great, with more memory and a faster chipset. Good developer support would be another bonus.
G3 onwards, nonexistent. G4 was lucky enough to have an unlocked boot loader for two versions of the phone (815/811), so it has a small development scene. The V10 however didn't receive the same treatment and is essentially dead in the water in regards to development. With LG's extremely vague stance of factory unlocking boot loaders and their extremely locked down phones the G5 might end up the same, only time will tell.
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G3 onwards, nonexistent. G4 was lucky enough to have an unlocked boot loader for two versions of the phone (815/811), so it has a small development scene. The V10 however didn't receive the same treatment and is essentially dead in the water in regards to development. With LG's extremely vague stance of factory unlocking boot loaders and their extremely locked down phones the G5 might end up the same, only time will tell.
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Sadly true.....
I have the G3 for almost 2 years now, luckily devs found a way to "bump" it allowing for root, custom recovery ...etc! thus a fair amount of action in development
Really interested in G4 H818P (dual sim) but since it's not among the models officially unlockable and none managed to hack it (despite somewhat hefty bounty) that renders it significantly unattractive.... some of just can't do stock
It's a shame LG has such none dev-friendly policy
It's been getting worse, just like Samsung. If you have a carrier-branded phone like Verizon, you can forget any real development.
It get worst by the release. As you have said, you took a look at the v10...that is a prime example of lg.
Looks like a no-go for me then....I was so sold on the G5...
Samsung S7 appears to be in bootloader lockdownville, ruling it out for me.
I'm now looking at the G5. If this also joins the town of locked bootloaders, I'll stick with my G4.
Then I'll perhaps jump off the original Jump ship, since I won't be upgrading that much, and go with squaretrade or similar, saving much need $ in the process.
In this case I will probably go for htc 10. I'm not in any hurry so we'll see.
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In this case I will probably go for htc 10. I'm not in any hurry so we'll see.
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Is HTC development still friendly these days? I remember you could officially unlock the bootloader on M7. How is it now? I like HTC phones too. Still use my M7.
A quick search indicates that unlocked A9 was bootloader unlockable and dev friendly. Looking like HTC 10 may be my next phone then.... I was so fascinated by G5. Darn! Some things are not meant to be.
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Is HTC development still friendly these days? I remember you could officially unlock the bootloader on M7. How is it now? I like HTC phones too. Still use my M7.
A quick search indicates that unlocked A9 was bootloader unlockable and dev friendly. Looking like HTC 10 may be my next phone then.... I was so fascinated by G5. Darn! Some things are not meant to be.
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Like I said I'm in no hurry by the time I end up getting the new phone the g5 will probably be doing just fine development wise. I love my lg nexus 5 so much I just might end up waiting for the next nexus supposedly by htc.
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In this case I will probably go for htc 10. I'm not in any hurry so we'll see.
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I think it will be not so easy. HTC will unlock the device bit remain S-on. So it must wait and pay for s-off (SunShine). Sony has also officianal unlock, but you lost the drm key forever (few sony app does not work) so you have to wait the unofficianal drm fix. Xiaomi has also locked bootloader, and the unlock not so simple. samsung locked the snapdragon and exynos has few difficulties. Who remain?Lg?Nexus?chinese phones?
Maybe the android developing will die?
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I think it will be not so easy. HTC will unlock the device bit remain S-on. So it must wait and pay for s-off (SunShine). Sony has also officianal unlock, but you lost the drm key forever (few sony app does not work) so you have to wait the unofficianal drm fix. Xiaomi has also locked bootloader, and the unlock not so simple. samsung locked the snapdragon and exynos has few difficulties. Who remain?Lg?Nexus?chinese phones?
Maybe the android developing will die?
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Man you've made your homework...
qyrus said:
G3 onwards, nonexistent. G4 was lucky enough to have an unlocked boot loader for two versions of the phone (815/811), so it has a small development scene. The V10 however didn't receive the same treatment and is essentially dead in the water in regards to development. With LG's extremely vague stance of factory unlocking boot loaders and their extremely locked down phones the G5 might end up the same, only time will tell.
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That will either make or break my purchase
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I think it will be not so easy. HTC will unlock the device bit remain S-on. So it must wait and pay for s-off (SunShine). Sony has also officianal unlock, but you lost the drm key forever (few sony app does not work) so you have to wait the unofficianal drm fix. Xiaomi has also locked bootloader, and the unlock not so simple. samsung locked the snapdragon and exynos has few difficulties. Who remain?Lg?Nexus?chinese phones?
Maybe the android developing will die?
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This really is not so far from the truth. When I bought a S4 (first android), it was a cinch manipulate it and it was an AT&T variant (the google play edition rom made it easy too). Then...G2, M8, N5, OPO, N6, G3, etc. ...I was hooked...this was easy, just watch the carrier variants and unlocking/rooting/rom'ing was easy street. What was an iPhone...why did I ever own one, etc. etc.
Well, 2014 started to suck and then 2015 REALLY sucked...the post quad core era zomg! Besides a N6p / MXPE...there is some really sucky quality about every other hackable android unit out there in many respects practically from 2015 (g4 - limited dev'ing if at all US domestic, m9 - hot (doomed) 810 but better control now, OPT - need drivers!, s6 - exynos so TW roms or bust).
Then we start 2016...S7 locked for Samsung Pay (for now?)...not a good start. I am an optimist and hope the G5 and the M10 are able to be unlocked and we can unleash the power of the SD 820. The era of stable octacore is here, hopefully our beloved devs can take full advantage of it!
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That will either make or break my purchase
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Yes. We will have to wait and see what time says will happen.
Biker1 said:
Samsung S7 appears to be in bootloader lockdownville, ruling it out for me.
I'm now looking at the G5. If this also joins the town of locked bootloaders, I'll stick with my G4.
Then I'll perhaps jump off the original Jump ship, since I won't be upgrading that much, and go with squaretrade or similar, saving much need $ in the process.
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Of course you could wait for LG G6