Came here for the main point? Go here and star the issue. If you want to read up, continue on!
Okay. Here's the thing: all of us know that Chrome has never been a fantastic performer on Android. That's just the fact of the matter, currently. The only device I have seen that it actually runs well on is the Nexus 4 (as a phone). The most powerful Android tablet on the market currently, save for the latest Tegra 4 devices, is the Nexus 10.
And Chrome is a disaster on it.
Hence, I wanted to do something about this. I started small, and created a Chromium bug report on Google's own issue page focusing on rectifying the stutter, lag, and unresponsiveness we see with zooming. I've looked at similar reports, and at MOST they have 2-4 stars, over long periods of time. This one? I posted around on Google+, and we've gotten 20 within 16 hours. That is a milestone. At this rate, they will HAVE to pay attention to us and work seriously on fixing slow, laggy zooming, and by extension we'll be able to continue our march into panning, scrolling, and overall UI performance.
So c'mon! Head up to the link at the top (or down there at the bottom) and star the issue. Maybe we'll get somewhere! Let's try to hit 100*!
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=302868
CWalkop said:
a Chromium bug report on Google's own issue page focusing on rectifying the stutter, lag, and unresponsiveness we see with zooming
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I'd rather they corrected the freaking insane memory leak from Chrome than scrolling performance! Open a second tab and Chrome unloads the first tab BUT DOESNT RELEASE THE RAM! Switch back to the first tab and it reloads the page taking up more memory (and resetting the position on the page if scrolled down on sites like FB). In no time at all you have less than 90MB of RAM left and the Android memory manager is killing the keyboard mid-sentence because it is so low on resources!
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I'd rather they corrected the freaking insane memory leak from Chrome than scrolling performance! Open a second tab and Chrome unloads the first tab BUT DOESNT RELEASE THE RAM! Switch back to the first tab and it reloads the page taking up more memory (and resetting the position on the page if scrolled down on sites like FB). In no time at all you have less than 90MB of RAM left and the Android memory manager is killing the keyboard mid-sentence because it is so low on resources!
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So THAT is what was happening. I didn't know why, I could just tell it was killing the KB due to RAM.
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So THAT is what was happening. I didn't know why, I could just tell it was killing the KB due to RAM.
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Well, I don't know for absolute definite (I'm not a developer, merely a science graduate "pro user") but I did a series of "tests"
Here's what I did:
1) reboot tablet to start fresh
2) disable all non-needed services (dashclock, widgets etc)
3) note start "free", "in-use" and "unaddressable" RAM in the Applications -> Running screen (the bit to the left of the RAM display at the bottom of the screen I refer to as "unadressable" for lack of a better term)
4) open Chrome, navigate to reasonably image-heavy website (e.g. Facebook)
5) Check RAM usage again ("in use" had gone up, "unaddressable" unchanged)
6) Open an additional tab in Chrome, navigate to same website as 4)
7) check RAM, "in use" had gone up same amount as 5), "unaddressable" unchanged
8) switch back to first tab of Chrome, webpage reloads as if visiting the site for the first time
9) back to RAM view, "unaddressable" had increased by same amount that "in use" had increased by in 5), "in use" had ALSO increased by same amount as in 5)
10) repeat steps 6) to 9) and "unaddressable" keeps going up and up, "free" keeps going down and down, "in-use" remains the same (at least until Android starts killing processes because of the low memory!)
Bonus steps:
11) reboot tablet
12) disable Chrome
13) install AOSP Browser
14) don't look back!
Attached is a screenshot of my RAM usage after only 17 hours of uptime before I started the process of elimination to find the cause. I had it happen after only an hour of uptime before when I was switching between a few tabs at once!
By way of comparison, here's a screenshot of the same menu taken just now after 144 hours uptime (!!!) without ever touching Chrome.
I'm rooted but otherwise stock 4.3, by the way.
I might have to go back to the AOSP browser, even though I do like having Chrome synced with my other PC's...
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I might have to go back to the AOSP browser, even though I do like having Chrome synced with my other PC's...
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well bookmarks still get synced to desktop Chrome, it's just the "other devices" bit that won't work...
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I'd rather they corrected the freaking insane memory leak from Chrome than scrolling performance! Open a second tab and Chrome unloads the first tab BUT DOESNT RELEASE THE RAM! Switch back to the first tab and it reloads the page taking up more memory (and resetting the position on the page if scrolled down on sites like FB). In no time at all you have less than 90MB of RAM left and the Android memory manager is killing the keyboard mid-sentence because it is so low on resources!
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Old reply, but that's really odd - I've never experienced a leak like this from Chrome. I've checked for it before, as well, and I never saw it through Android's built-in task manager in Settings. I'll have to try the method you mentioned to see if it persists on my device, too.
Personally, I just want a browser that doesn't get in the way like Chrome does. The features are amazing, but the constant sluggish response wrecks the experience and just makes me want to use a desktop. A RAM leak makes things even worse. Dolphin is much better, but the zooming is weird and it doesn't sync like Chrome does. I really want to love Chrome, but I just can't with the way it is now.
We have 35 stars now, by the way. If we can keep this up, we'll get somewhere hopefully.
The AOSP browser has problems of its own. I don't know the last time it was actually updated on the back end but more and more websites aren't rendering properly with it.
Load this in AOSP browser: http://airdailyx.blogspot.com/
Doesn't render correctly.. Works perfect in Chrome though. Also the AOSP browser is NOTORIOUS for the back button just reloading the page and never actually going back a page. I noticed Chrome runs differently depending on the ROM. On PA 3.99 Chrome was a laggy mess. Address bar typing lag etc.. Clean wipe never helped.. I went back to a basic AOSP rom (Rasbean) and Chrome works normal and fast as the AOSP browser now.
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Firefox 4 Beta has been released for Android.
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta
I'm going to use it through the weekend to see how it is coming along.
Seems to be coming along nicely Still laggy but I haven't gotten a FC yet and before it was completely unusable It is looking promising!
Initial thoughts are that it is going to be really nice once finished. It is a little laggy in animation of the menus and I just had to pull the battery due to a complete system freeze when trying to load macrumors.com over 3G.
Nice find
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am i missing something or this browser doesnt have "initial zoom" function ?
try firefox.com/m/beta to download, a little less typing
It sucks right now imho
for me the stock browser is better, well that's just me.
i hope after the beta version it will be better, i love firefox in my computer.
I didn't like it all - here is why:
1. Text rendering was terrible - like Linux RH 5 browser years ago. Even Google.com looked bad
2. I could not figure out how to type a URL - the address bar became search bar as soon as i started typing
3. Slower
4. Stock browser just works better
Maybe in a few more months it will be ready, but not now.
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2. I could not figure out how to type a URL - the address bar became search bar as soon as i started typing
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Did you try just finishing the url?
Just remember that this is a beta. It will have bugs and not work at times. Mention them here so we can see if it's repeatable, but make sure you report it to Mozilla so they can fix it.
Sent from this one thing using another thing. Cool isn't it?
Couldn't deal with it went to uninstall, its 44 mgb they're going to pare that down a bit I hope.
Vibrant vibrating nicely now,Kthx!
My initial impression, after spending 3 years with iOS and almost a year with Android, is that this is the worst smartphone browser I have ever used. It's simply a dog, performance-wise. The UI is interesting and feels unlike anything vie ever used before (in a good way). But the incredible sluggishness of the experience negated any good will I had. I would tap something and have to wait a few seconds for the app to react to my input. Images would simply not load on some websites even though they work fine on every other browser on my system. It uses so much RAM that even LuncherPro had to relaunch itself anytime I exited Firefox.
This is clearly an early version of the app and they haves a long way to go but right now it does not deliver an experience that I find, in any way, to be better than the other options currently on the market.
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My initial impression, after spending 3 years with iOS and almost a year with Android, is that this is the worst smartphone browser I have ever used. It's simply a dog, performance-wise. The UI is interesting and feels unlike anything vie ever used before (in a good way). But the incredible sluggishness of the experience negated any good will I had. I would tap something and have to wait a few seconds for the app to react to my input. Images would simply not load on some websites even though they work fine on every other browser on my system. It uses so much RAM that even LuncherPro had to relaunch itself anytime I exited Firefox.
This is clearly an early version of the app and they haves a long way to go but right now it does not deliver an experience that I find, in any way, to be better than the other options currently on the market.
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Agreed, I'm going to keep using Opera for the time being.
There is also an issue with the keyboard. For example, if I click google's search box, the keyboard comes up, but Firefox tries to zoom-in to the text box itself (makes it easier to read?) but the keyboard gets "left behind", and you just see the text box itself with no keyboard for entry.
firefox failed on this one..
Completely froze my phone using Bionix 1.1 had to reboot, COMPLETE FAIL
Not Ready
I agree with Alphadog The software is still too laggy and too primitive to be really useful,
I m sure they will get there it is just not there yet
OKay, so this is my first android phone, coming from an Iphone 4 and let me tell you im about 80% disappointed.
Here are some problems im having, im hoping that you can help me turn that 80 into a 20.
1. Apps just randomly run in the background: I'll close all but my live background, my task manager and my alarm clock and go to sleep. When I wake up almost EVERY SINGLE app I have is running in the background. Why? How do I stop this, the Iphone never did this, I feel this is a hard fail on androids part.
2. Many apps force close while im trying to use them: Ive tried stock rom, and serenity 8, same apps same issues. Its becoming a turn off to use the phone for any apps.
3. Multitasking: Is there any? MOST of the time when I switch apps and "multitask" its just like having the app open at the start page, I dont have to reload the app but its not where I last left it like the Iphone. Even on web pages I find if I switch out of the web and go to another app if I return to the web im back at my home page and I have to go to my history just to get back where I was. Is there a way for me to fix this?
4: Ram usage: when I turn my phone off, then on I see 150 in the used ram. This number raises even with out opening any apps. I kill all apps and close all running programs I see nothing running except services and it raises as high as 600 mb with 0 apps open and nothing running except a live background and the task manager. My iphone never had a memory leak, how do I fix this? 600 mb to do nothing is a bit excessive.
As a software developer im really confused as how Google tricked everyone that android was good. Perhaps Im just uninformed and that is why I am here. I am wondering why there would be all these problems right out of the box on an item that is what 4th 5th generation? These are problems that shouldnt be as frequent in 1st and 2nd generations. Any help would be wonderful thank you.
1. this question has been asked a million times. In short, the Android OS handles memory much different than you'd expect. An app will appear as running after you close it but it may not be. Android just keeps that memory allocated to that app in case you need to use it again. But if the OS needs that memory for something else, it will release it from that app and use it for something else.
2. what apps FC on you?
3. i'll leave this for someone else to explain because I dont use the browser much so I dont have much experience with that.
4. this goes along with my answer for #1. Android OS likes to have its memory allocated but it doesnt mean those apps are running.
I might be a little off on my explanation so I'll leave it to the experts to clarify but i'm pretty sure i'm fairly accurate.
1/4 - Not deficiencies, Android is designed that way. If an app is resident in memory, it is more readily accessible. Some badly written apps DO more than just sit there in the task list - but most are OK. Sitting in memory is not bad - holding a wakelock or showing up in your battery usage is.
2 - No clue - not having this problem here. I haven't seen an FC in a few weeks, and the last one was my own fault. What apps?
3) This depends on the app. However, usually the browser returns to wherever I last was when I use it. In fact I wish it were easier to "go home"...
3) Matter of using the right button. Close the app with the home button, and restart it where it left off. Back out of the app with the back button, and start over.
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
i really dont know what to tell you about the FC's because none of those FC on me ... whether I was stock or not. That just doesnt sound right. If you're stock, it shouldn't be FC'ing at all. I can understand if you're rooted and running S8 or some other ROM. Maybe something happened during the flash but stock should be fine.
I'm also trying out the browser on my phone and if I load a random website, go home, open another app and go back to the browser, its still on the last page I viewed.
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List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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If you're swithing from app to app, and want to do it more quickly, hold the home button for a few seconds (pretty much anywhere, no need to go 'home' first). It will open up a list of the last 6 apps you've used. Pretty sure from the point you left off.
holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
Chase
email
Gmail
maps
market
netflix
web
I'm running Serendipity 8.1 and do not have any problems with these apps from your list. You may need to re-flash.
Edit: what Entropy said.
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holding the home button does work pretty well, although sometimes it does not have the last couple apps I was using, mainly Go SMS pro. I am currently running S8 thought it was stable, guess i'll reflash and give this another go for a week, if not then its return to the IP and trade this back for the 4s. Thanks for the help!
Any suggestion on what rom to flash to?
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any of them are good but I personally use UnNamed. You really should wipe your phone first. Thats probably why you have so many FC's. When you flash a new rom, make sure you do NOT restore system apps via Titanium Backup (if thats what you use).
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Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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i think thats exactly what happened because having that many FC's is not normal .
DKS1282 said:
List off apps that FC on me Both stock and Serenity 8:
Alarm Clock Plus
Chase
email
Gmail
hootsuite
maps
market
netflix
qik
web
Also no matter how I work the web 60% of the time I start back at my home page.
Lastly to do anything on android it seems like a process, just to switch from one app to another I have to do this, then that, then this, now im on my other app... Iphones multitasking is button click im there. Is there a multitasking app that works kinda like iphones? I really like the tray that holds ALL my open apps. Im trying hard to like this phone and android but being able to customize and have widgets just does not seem like it is worth it. Unless there are some really big secrets im missing.
Thank you all for the answers as well!
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To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
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Lot of user error here. I'm on the stock ROM with root.
Switch apps quickly by holding home.
If you use the back button to exit an app then you truly are exiting the app. Use home if you want it to start running.
Don't worry about ram usage. This device has 1GB and Android manages it very well without you ever having to worry.
I never have force closes unless it's the developers issue. If you're running from backed up apps then you can expect to have FCs. Install from fresh if you try a new ROM.
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I think the main reason the op is having his browser reset most of the time is because the op is using some kind if task killer. This task killer is also probably the cause of a significant portion of the fc's being experienced.
There should be a forum rule against people who run task killers then complain about fc's, laggy apps, and problems with multitasking.
I mean it should be obvious running a "task killer" on a device designed specifically to multitask - it is so silly. Look at the two phrases side by side "task killer" "multitasking device" - can you see what I mean.
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To switch between running apps all you have to do is long press the home button - one press to see the last six open apps and your there.
Having the browser return to the home page every time just means you don't know what you are doing.
Being concerned about what is being held in ram its also a sign you don't know what you are doing. The memory chip where the ram resides, where you see a list of apps being held has to remain powered on all the time. Whether it is holding 250 MB of data, 500 MB of data or just 10 MB of data it will still be drawing the same amount of power. And just because an apps data is being held in ram does not necessarily mean it is running. Top see what us running you need to check cpu usage.
The only time to concerned about ram is if more than 85% is being used then you would start having problems. But this does not happen on our phones, and only would happen if you had something causing a major memory leak.
All of your force closes are related to you or your particular phone. I have maybe five fc's in a month and three of those happened while I was running cm7.
Just because you don't know how to use a device does not make the device a general fail. Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the guy who has no understanding on what is going on with the processes in the device and drawing conclusions on based on an obviously ignorant perception those observations.
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I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Not that I know of. There are little tricks like that and a good majority of people would never know of them I'm afraid.
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jmj12us said:
I have upgraded to the Galaxy S2 from the Iphone 3gs. The long pressing of home button to bring up apps is something I did not know. Is there a thread somewhere to get this kind of information. Very helpful, thanks
Jim
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Samsung has a tips and tricks page specifically for the AT&T GS2 that may show you some things you didn't know. One thing I didn't know was that you can take a screenshot with stock by pressing the power button and the home button at the same time. I also didn't know you can access the clipboard to show everything you "copied" from text fields.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/tips--tricks-galaxy-s-ii-at-t-
As far as the OP's issues, I have all of those apps except for chase and hootsuite installed on stock and I don't FC at all. For the browser concerns, you may just be opening a new window each time you run the browser from the app icon. Try zooming all the way out of the page and then pinch to zoom out once more and it will show you the windows you have open, or you can press the menu key and select windows. The icon for "windows" in the menu will have a number on it if you have more than one open.
Entropy512 said:
Having THAT many apps FC on you is usually a sign that you did one of two things:
1) Forgot to wipe data/factory reset when installing a new ROM
2) Performed an improper Titanium Backup restore - restoring more than just "MISSING apps and data"
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Number 1... I didnt do that. I didnt think I had to off of a stock rom, but your right, I should have.
Thread cleaned... Please do not make me have to do so again. This forum is for friendly discussion.. Lets keep it that way.
edit --- I see Devine madcat is pushing back to topic
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I have been running CyanogenMod 10 Alpha 2 by dragonzkiller for a couple of days now and can say...my phone has never been better! As is expected there were some hiccups, but overall this thing rides smooth! What does everyone else think about it and what has been their experiences?
Here is what I've found so far
Not working:
Facebook
Dolphin Browser
SMS does not show text in field, and notifications do not show.
My workarounds:
Opera browser has so far worked flawlessly.
Friendcaster works fine in place of FB.
Combination of Handcent SMS and SMS popups as workaround to native SMS issue.
Weird things yet to be worked out or around:
File explorers (so far ES and File Expert) randomly will not delete or rename files.
And again, this ROM is great (thank you dragonzkiller!). Too bad providers didn't push for Jelly Bean on these models because I think it works the best so far. Older in the cycle, so I understand. I still have about of week of testing before I praise it any further, but so far I am mega happy. I can say this having tried various other ROMS throughout the year or so I've owned this phone, and of those I am coming from what I consider a rock stable ROM, Liberty3.
Introduction:
I have been using CM10 for a month and a half now. My review is based on the standard of an every day driver. I understand that Dragonzkiller is the only developer for this ROM and basically for DX2 (as far as I know) but I use my phone with the intention of USING it. With this in mind, I've been struggling with the idea of reverting back to the stock OS or some other rom because of some key issues I have with the current alpha release.
Pros:
Status Bar brightness control: Although you have to disable auto brightness, this is the biggest plus for me, mainly because auto brightness never seems to be good enough. Its always slighty too dim or too bright, even with custom brightness levels. The negative of this would be that if you have a passworded lock screen (swype lock screens don't affect this) the status bar is not click able so you can't increase brightness. This is a big issue if your screen is on the lowest brightness and you need to unlock your phone in the sun. This is mostly for taste. I find this feature highly convenient and puts control in my hands. Although automatic brightness works, it doesn't work well enough for me.
Toggle buttons in the notification pull down menu: This is insanely convenient. This coupled with the long pressing option to open the corresponding settings menu is also one of the biggest things keeping me with CM 10
Swypable notifications: You have no idea how convenient this is until you have it. To be able to pick and chose which notifications to dismiss with the swype of a finger.
Screen Shot and restart option in the power menu: I restart and screen shot enough that these options need to be in the power menu or somehow accessible
Everything else ICS and CM10 provides: I really dislike how Ginger Bread looks. It just doesn't have the nice clean feel. CM10 gets it right with the minimalistic look and design while adding features hidden where they should be hidden. Honestly, this is a HUGE plus. I really like the way CM10 looks and feels over almost every other ROM. I haven't found one that I've liked more than CM10.
Cons:
Most apps that use some form of a web view crash: A web view is a little window that renders webpages for you. Apps like Facebook use to use this and they crashed all the time. Exceptions include the stock web browser and most other web browsers. The reason for this crash is that there is a fatal Out Of Memory exception.
Google Now takes way longer to load: Yes, I already said that apps take a while to load but Google Now seems to take 5 seconds MINIMUM up to 10 seconds. I don't know why. I tried disabling the "Say Google to search" feature as well as the cards and that seems to have cut down on the load time but if Google Now is something you really want/need, this is a huge drawback.
Apps take a long time to load: Long is a subjective term so I'm defining it as between 1 second to just initialize to 3-5 seconds on a bad day. I am very sure this is because our phone has very little ram so the OS has to free some space for the new app and this is an intensive process that take that much time. At first, I pushed this off as some issue that doesn't really need attention but when you are trying to add a contact and it takes 5 seconds to load the Phone app, then another five seconds to load the People app, you're going to start being annoyed. Want to take a picture of your contact, add another 5 seconds to load the camera app.
The flashlight button in the notification pull down will crash: It will crash. You tap the button and it crashes. You long press and it crashes. Don't even bother. That's a big enough con for me to give it a mention and put it in the middle of my list. There have been a few times when I've needed a flashlight only to realize I need to actually open an app for it. I think the next best thing is to put the flashlight app in the swype to unlock menu.
Media Player stutters under load: Remember how I told you that app loading is an intensive process? Apparently, the thread priority for the media player process is lower than the app loading process. I say this based on the fact that as I play music from Pandora, if I press back, switch apps, or open a new app, the music from Pandora starts cutting and stuttering almost like a buffer, but not quite. I have not tried this with other music players but I have done it with another youtube player and I get the same problems. I haven't tried this with Google Music though so you may have some luck with that.
System Crashes: Rarely will my phone reboot on me for some strange reason. It has happened to me maybe 5 times in the last month and a half but it has happened. I don't really consider this a con just because it's so rare but it happens.
Google Maps Street View Crashes all the time: I believe this is related to the problem with Google Chrome. I remember reading that our kernel doesn't support certain drawing textures or drawing APIs so any app that tries to use those methods force close without warning.
Here are the apps I run and why:
Facebook Bookmark: I have a bookmark to facebook.com instead of using the facebook app mainly because the app USED to crash very frequently in the alpha one release (it used to use webviews instead of native code). I haven't noticed it crashing on me recently so I may switch back to using the stock Facebook App.
Go SMS: Simply because I like the look and feel of Go SMS better. It's really your choice on this one. I also like the popup notification when I receive messages that Go SMS provides over the one that the stock Messaging app provides.
K9-Mail: The stock E-Mail app crashed very frequently on me in the alpha one release. I could never figure this one out because it would crash even without the web views open. It may be fixed now but I've gotten used to K9-Mail
Stock Browser: Most other browsers clutter the screen (like Opera). I don't run firefox because I tried the beta release and it was very lacking. Google Chrome crashes all the time because of the kernel issue. I really enjoy using the stock browser with the "Quick Control" feature enabled under "Labs" in the stock Browser app. It cleans up the screen really well.
aCalendar: The widget is better. Plain and simple. I use day view for the widget. I use the widget on it's own home screen.
gTasks: Just something to use. I mostly use the widget on it's own home screen full sized
Conclusion:
Although I cannot recommend this ROM as an every day driver, I have to say that it does provide some serious features with some serious drawbacks. It is really up to you in my opinion because even I cannot decide whether it is a good or a bad ROM. The reason why I would flash a ROM is because I want to increase usability and to clean up my cluttered OS. However, minimalistic ROMs don't provide the features that CM10 provide. Those features definitely come in handy at times. Moreover, I like the CM10 lock screen way more but that's just taste. The reason why I haven't discarded CM10 already is because I can probably live with the longer load times for apps and the spontaneous crashes. The crashes are either rare enough to not bother me or predictable enough that I can avoid them.
My recommendation would be to try it out and see if you can live with it. If you can live with it, then you should definitely run it because it is by far the best app around. This is a good rom but not good enough for a solid recommendation. However, it is amazing it is still only on Alpha 2 considering how well it works for an alpha.
By the way, if you're coming form CM7/9, definitely jump to CM10. The decrease in force closes is worth the increase in app load time.
randomKID thanks for the awesome breakdown of the pros and cons you've found in this ROM. You still using it?
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It's been 5 days and it's holding quite well except my batteries drain 3 to 4 times as faster. I don't use 3G so it's disabled throughout the day. I'm coming from Gingerbread 4.3.3.
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It's been 5 days and it's holding quite well except my batteries drain 3 to 4 times as faster. I don't use 3G so it's disabled throughout the day. I'm coming from Gingerbread 4.3.3.
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Gingerbread 4.3.3?
Well I do love CM10. I was getting some great battery life out of it. Wonder if everyone was/is that uses or used it? I had workarounds for just about every bug but one- the camcorder. I had to have a good working camcorder and the Videocam Illusion app was not reliable enough. Why so necessary? A 6 month old little girl that daddy loves to capture every day So I went to Eclipse but was not at all impressed with the battery usage (ROM was fine otherwise). I have now landed back on CM7 which I test drove some months ago. I will go back to CM10 provided there is an update that speaks to the camcorder issue. If not, I will hang out here for awhile most likely :silly:
You should try Eclipse 1.3 as I net 1.5-2 days of light use (phone calls / sms / fb) and it's blazing fast. I just put 2.3 on a few days ago and it's a very solid ROM but the speed isn't like 1.3 thou
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You should try Eclipse 1.3 as I net 1.5-2 days of light use (phone calls / sms / fb) and it's blazing fast. I just put 2.3 on a few days ago and it's a very solid ROM but the speed isn't like 1.3 thou
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I think I'll give that a try
I have serious battery issues running CM10. My battery NEVER lasts a full day on light/moderate use. When I was on CM7, I used to get a day and a half out of moderate use, so I'm a bit upset at that. I still prefer it to CM7 though, mostly because of the layout and the fact that my WiFi doesn't constantly lose connection. But the constantly-crashing apps and battery life have me ready to move on from the phone altogether. :/
Google Nexus 4, I'm on my way...
I did use the search function. There was a similar thread posted a day ago but I'd like to do a more in-depth query here. The more extensive one has been dormant since April so I figure that I might as well open a new one.
I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but I want to do a serious investigation of the multitasking woes in the S3.
Just some background of my experiences:
Having flashed the latest official (ending with MF6), I must say that multitasking is just atrocious and my apps close for every 3rd one I open. RAM is always full, and once cleared it is bogged down again. And again. And again. The iPhone 4, with 512 MB RAM, can manage better than this. The RAM heavy ones (Facebook, Chrome, YT, etc.) are the worst of all-as they close down even when you don't touch the phone for a period of time.
What exactly is using up my RAM? Please don't come back to me with the Free RAM=Wasted RAM argument. I have seen no speed improvement of apps "cached in memory" compared to those that I just opened up.
I remembered back in the days of the S2 release people called 1 GB RAM unnecessary, and to an extent this is true, as the S2 was able to do some serious multitasking of 8-9+ apps without having to close any of them. Other flagships (HTC Sensation) did fine with 768 MB RAM. Heck, the Galaxy S1 seemed fine with 512 MB RAM. The OS can run, camera works fine, I can play videos fine. So where exactly did this 512 MB of extra RAM go, when the Galaxy S3 is upped to 1 GB of RAM?
I have tried zRAM 300 MB, 400 MB, 600 MB. They all make the phone remarkably slow. Initially it does prove to be somewhat useful, but over time multitasking becomes completely hopeless again.
Is there ever going to be a solution to this, or do I really have to get a 2 GB RAM phone to actually be able to use it?
Well, mate, this has been discussed over and over as you may be aware. Honestly, i've lost hope for stock firmwares on multitasking. Some people swear by zram or even swap and while it does work i didn't find the results very good. Someone may come up with a more thorough explanation on how all the ram is being actually used (and it has been written already, i've seen it around) but at this point i just don't really care much.
Bottomline, you have 3 options:
- install some aosp rom and never see this problem again (some others may come up due to lack of sources for exynos)
- compromising speed for multitasking purposes with zram, swap and there were some atempts at plain better multitask management with supercharger and others
- ignore and live with it and try to change your phone for anything else asap - samsung botched this and is making no effort i can see for a fix. If they don't care about you it's only fair you don't care about them either.
I'm aiming for a nexus4 when i find one cheap around. Plenty of power, 2Gb, fastest updates in the business. Should come down in price even more when any new phones hit the market.
This is a really big issue with this phone.
First of all, don't compare it to the iphone, cause the iphone doesn't actually multitask as it freezes apps in the background.
Start downloading something with safari and open another app in iphone. Then the download stops until you switch back to safari.
iOs multitasking philosophie is completely different to android.
Now, having paid 600euros and being unable to multitask is really frustrating. I've tried several things like different roms, external swap, internal swap, zram blah blah.
The truth is that although the stock touchwiz roms offer stuff like multi-window, they are really REALLY laggy in my opinion. I once decided to flash a cm10.1 (aosp) based rom. I haven't regretted since. I felt as if i had a completely new phone. I suggest you try such a rom. you wont regret it.
Also, there are some apps that allow you to freeze background processes. I use Rom Toolbox pro for example and i have frozen many background apps so I've reduced the amount of ram being used. Search on xda, there is a thread about which backgroung services are safe to be frozen.
Also, use greenify. Greenify stops apps from running in the background when you dont need them. Maps for example keep running in the background consuming 20mb for no reason. Greenify such apps so that they consume your ram only when you need them to do so.
Plus, change your LMK settings. The Low Memory Killer is an android service that kills apps when the amount of ram falls beneath a limit. Use an app such as Rom Toolbox to lower your limits so that apps don't get closed so often.
Finally, try zram with the appropriate settings. I use Googy-Max kernel which has bult-in zram support. I use 600mb of zram with 80% swappiness.
Having these things altered i can run at least 5 apps simultaneously without any problems. For example i run facebook and messenger along with whatsapp and skype. When i open the browser to search for something, none of the other apps gets closed.
Ofcourse if you try to run many apps, you may experience app-closing or lags. But remember, the key, is to close apps that you dont need.
Also, if your phone feels laggy just reboot it. For the next 24 hours you ll be fine without any lags.
Hopeless multitasking continues even on CM11 4.4.4. I don't understand what the reason for bad multitasking. When I switch from Dolphin browser to any other app and come just after 5 seconds I find it killed. Even I can't upload a photo to a browser. While I am selecting the, browser page was shut down.
I've noticed that Chrome dies every few minutes, (sometimes it can go 30+ minutes depending on what I'm doing.) Just yesterday when I was on KK, Chrome NEVER lost the tabs, even when I had 20+ of them.
I tend to stream talk radio/pod casts from websites, and up until now, it hasn't been a problem. This is actually a really big problem in the base Lollipop code. Is anyone else noticing this?
http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/2q6bed/lollipop_memory_leak_still_on_501/
I've rebooted my phone several times today, yet I'm at 1.2GB+ system usage, and 850MB+ app usage. I can't compare this to KK directly because I never once cared to check those metrics. This is making the phone quite unusable. I'm using the odexed stock ROM. This is fairly disappointing.
What android version is the LG update? Was the memory leak fixed in 5.0.2? Cuz I'm running bliss ROM, which I believe is 5.0.2, and don't seem to have memory leak issues.
Haven't noticed anything like what you're describing, but battery life is taking a major hit on 5.0.1. Eight hours at work on KK and the battery still had around ninety percent. The same thing on Lollipop and it's around sixty percent. This is just sitting in my pocket for all but 15 minutes or so during lunch.
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Haven't noticed anything like what you're describing, but battery life is taking a major hit on 5.0.1. Eight hours at work on KK and the battery still had around ninety percent. The same thing on Lollipop and it's around sixty percent. This is just sitting in my pocket for all but 15 minutes or so during lunch.
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From what I understand the bug persists in 5.0.2 but the ROM developer might have made some tweaks to mitigate the problem. Stock/OEM versions of 5.0.1 and 5.0.2 have this issue. My brother with a Sprint S5 is having the same problem. After a few hours of runtime, then you'll notice the home screen redrawing when you hit home... you'll notice your tabs in Chrome re-drawing as well. If you were streaming something like audio or video, then it dies in the background. People are also complaining that this happens with Google Music, and things of that nature. I haven't played around enough to see what all will close.
With bumped stock ROM, I never once had Chrome close in the background. At this point, I'm having a hard time seeing the benefits of LP over KK. A few fun things like unlock w/ BT connection, but what else? I see that framerate improved by about 20%, but didn't eliminate stutter completely from this phone. That's likely never going to be fixed, as it's a result of the 2K screen.
I also find it bizarre that I can CAUSE Chrome to die on-demand. If I'm listening to this particular podcast, and Chrome is the only app running in the background, then I go to Setttings > Apps > Running, within 5 seconds, the audio stops. Chrome dies. I see the System RAM usage drop from 1.5GB to 1.0GB. App usage stays around 800MB.
Rebooting the phone seems to help a bit, but it comes right back after I go through a few apps in normal use. On KK, I almost NEVER swiped away apps, or closed Chrome tabs. I only did that if I had clutter and I wanted things to be more neatly organized in the recent apps dialog.
Can anyone else try loading up a podcast like thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com in Chrome/Chrome Beta, then using their phone like normal with this all in the background for a bit. Try going to Running apps and see if it kills/freezes the Chrome process.
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Can anyone else try loading up a podcast like thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com in Chrome/Chrome Beta, then using their phone like normal with this all in the background for a bit. Try going to Running apps and see if it kills/freezes the Chrome process.
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So I went ahead and tried the above on my non-rooted / stock KK and as soon as I went into the Apps settings Chrome stopped playing the podcast and closed. I tried this multiple time and it happened each time. FYI - Am on Chrome V.40.0.2214.109.
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I also find it bizarre that I can CAUSE Chrome to die on-demand. If I'm listening to this particular podcast, and Chrome is the only app running in the background, then I go to Setttings > Apps > Running, within 5 seconds, the audio stops. Chrome dies. I see the System RAM usage drop from 1.5GB to 1.0GB. App usage stays around 800MB.
Rebooting the phone seems to help a bit, but it comes right back after I go through a few apps in normal use. On KK, I almost NEVER swiped away apps, or closed Chrome tabs. I only did that if I had clutter and I wanted things to be more neatly organized in the recent apps dialog.
Can anyone else try loading up a podcast like thebiggestproblemintheuniverse.com in Chrome/Chrome Beta, then using their phone like normal with this all in the background for a bit. Try going to Running apps and see if it kills/freezes the Chrome process.
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I'm rooted, L odexed, and on the latest Chrome beta and can confirm this happened exactly as you described. Within 2-3 seconds of going to running apps, the podcast died. When I opened chrome again, it came back to that web page but had to reload it.
Forgive me if I am entirely off base here as I am not a dev,
It was noted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g-watch/development/android-5-0-lollipop-memory-leak-fix-lg-t3030871
that the LG G watch suffered from the same thing, and from this git hub: https://github.com/temasek/android_...services/core/java/com/android/server/display
The dev made a patched services.jar, could this point in the right direction
To be fair, I never tried to go to the 'Running' apps while streaming on KK, because I never had a problem with the podcast stopping. It's possible that Android 'cheats' by clearing up RAM when you visit this page to make things look more efficient. That's actually kinda shady.