Black Wireless Charging Cover for Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - for $29.99 on 01/19/14
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...ategoryId=pcmcat171900050029&id=1219077225704
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erik077 said:
Black Wireless Charging Cover for Samsung Galaxy Note 3 - for $29.99 on 01/19/14
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...ategoryId=pcmcat171900050029&id=1219077225704
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Will this work with cases that we have already? For example, it just replaces the existed door, right? Doesn't add any more thickness so we can't use the existing cases we have? Thanks in advance. I'm asking because I read the reviews on the BestBuy site and two of them say that it does add bulk slightly. Just don't want to buy this thing and then find out it's a matter of using this and not being able to use my existing case with it.
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Will this work with cases that we have already? For example, it just replaces the existed door, right? Doesn't add any more thickness so we can't use the existing cases we have? Thanks in advance. I'm asking because I read the reviews on the BestBuy site and two of them say that it does add bulk slightly. Just don't want to buy this thing and then find out it's a matter of using this and not being able to use my existing case with it.
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Not 100% as I don't have one yet, but I think it might add some additional thickness. So my guess is you will need new case. Maybe someone who purchased already can answer this better than me.
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Not 100% as I don't have one yet, but I think it might add some additional thickness. So my guess is you will need new case. Maybe someone who purchased already can answer this better than me.
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There's one listed on 23rd street and 6th ave here in the City. I was going to go and buy it in person and try it with the tough case I bought a week or so ago already on the phone. Figure I can always return it if they don't have a restocking fee.
Will post more information tomorrow once I check it out.
Thanks for the information, regardless. Much appreciated.
sanjsrik said:
Will this work with cases that we have already? For example, it just replaces the existed door, right? Doesn't add any more thickness so we can't use the existing cases we have? Thanks in advance. I'm asking because I read the reviews on the BestBuy site and two of them say that it does add bulk slightly. Just don't want to buy this thing and then find out it's a matter of using this and not being able to use my existing case with it.
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It does add some thickness. Not so much that you will notice it in your hand, but enough that most fitted hard cases will not fit properly. This is a discussion worth reviewing: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2609406
I went to the BestBuy in 44th and 5th in the City. They're clueless. Two guys with "Samsung Experience Specialists" jerseys or jackets or whatever those zip up things are, the guy kept trying to sell me something COMPLETELY unrelated to what I wanted. Finally I asked him if he had the Qi-compatible charging stand and he said no. Said he only gets "about 2 in a week". I gave up and walked out.
sanjsrik said:
I went to the BestBuy in 44th and 5th in the City. They're clueless. Two guys with "Samsung Experience Specialists" jerseys or jackets or whatever those zip up things are, the guy kept trying to sell me something COMPLETELY unrelated to what I wanted. Finally I asked him if he had the Qi-compatible charging stand and he said no. Said he only gets "about 2 in a week". I gave up and walked out.
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FWIW, I live very close to Best Buy's HQ here in MN. I know a lot of good people employed by them. With BB being a hometown store here I am rarely more than 7 or 8 minutes from a store location wherever I travel in town... That said: I drive past all of them in favor of any competitor, even if I have to go further and/or spend a little more. I do not feel they practice good business ethics as a company, and I do my best boycott them. I do some consulting work, and on occasion am forced to buy a computer component from them. I have had to do this 7 times in the last 10 years, and 5 of those times ended up with a sales person who either lied, or was completely clueless sharing bogus information as fact - in spite of their being the in-store "expert". Good luck to all who shop there, but please don't count on their staff to help educate you on making a sound purchase.
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Okay, so since I'm having an issue with the styluses (I believe it's proper grammer?) I'd like to purchase one from one of you guys here. If i'm not mistaken, when you buy a New Tilt 2 It comes with an extra stylus. So, I want the original charocoal stylus. If anyone has one PM me or just post here. It'd be greatly appreciated.
Actually, since you asked...
From wikipedia:
There exists minor controversy about the correct pluralization of "stylus". The form "styli" or even "stylii" has become acceptable, even among major American manufacturers of styluses and online dictionaries, based on the assertion that it is a direct loanword from Latin. However, "stylus" is in fact an English word based on the Latin word "stilus", and is more appropriately pluralized in English as "styluses". Use of "stylii" is considered incorrect, as it is based on the nonexistent Latin word "stylius".
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So, you are indeed correct! lol sorry, I just get a kick out of that every time I hear it.
Wow lol, so I have been right the whole time. I'm always seeing threads where people say "styli" and I get discouraged from using "styluses" in fear I may be wrong. This clears up everything and now... I will rule the world of styluses...
Please post your request in the marketplace forum.
Russ
They sell them on ebay all day long.
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Okay, so since I'm having an issue with the styluses (I believe it's proper grammer?) I'd like to purchase one from one of you guys here. If i'm not mistaken, when you buy a New Tilt 2 It comes with an extra stylus. So, I want the original charocoal stylus. If anyone has one PM me or just post here. It'd be greatly appreciated.
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I just bought 3 through HTCPedia and though the price was good (3 for $19.99 incl. shipping) they turned out to be for Touch Pro 2 not the Tilt 2, so they were gray and chrome as opposed to charcoal and chrome. When I went back and looked at the site closer, I found I could have bought the AT&T colored stylus at $9.99 for one. I also wanted to comment on one peculiar thing about my purchase. Shipping within the US is free, okay great it takes 7-8 days to arrive, but it was free. When they show up, they show up in an envelope smaller than normal first class mail which begs the question, why in the hell did I have to wait 8 days for a tiny envelope to make it from one coast to the other when even standard mail would have maid it in 3? Really FedEx ground is the choice for sending an envelope than was barely 3" x 5"??
If I order again, maybe I will send them a SASE. Ha
PurpleLlamaLover said:
Okay, so since I'm having an issue with the styluses (I believe it's proper grammer?) I'd like to purchase one from one of you guys here. If i'm not mistaken, when you buy a New Tilt 2 It comes with an extra stylus. So, I want the original charocoal stylus. If anyone has one PM me or just post here. It'd be greatly appreciated.
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I just bought 3 through HTCPedia and though the price was good (3 for $19.99 incl. shipping) they turned out to be for Touch Pro 2 not the Tilt 2, so they were gray and chrome as opposed to charcoal and chrome. When I went back and looked at the site closer, I found I could have bought the AT&T colored stylus at $9.99 for one. I also wanted to comment on one peculiar thing about my purchase. Shipping within the US is free, okay great it takes 7-8 days to arrive, but it was free. When they show up, they show up in an envelope smaller than normal first class mail which begs the question, why in the hell did I have to wait 8 days for a tiny envelope to make it from one coast to the other when even standard mail would have maid it in 3? Really FedEx ground is the choice for sending an envelope than was barely 3" x 5"??
If I order again, maybe I will send them a SASE. Ha
Hello everyone Sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong forums.
I just bought the Samsung Note so now I am trying to sell my unlocked SGS2 on Ebay. I have the charger, extra battery, and unlock code for device (in case person ever has to do a master reset). Of course its refurbished 9 has been used for 2 months) but is in good condition despite a barely noticeable, minor scratch on back cover (see pic).
What is a fair/good asking price?
I'd recommend looking at auctions on there that have already ended and get a good idea from that. That's the best way I've found to determine current value of specific items on there.
How about you post in the classified section instead of trying to sneak your ad in where it doesn't belong?
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How about you post in the classified section instead of trying to sneak your ad in where it doesn't belong?
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Ummm actually I'm NOT trying to sell it on here. keyword was "EBAY" I simply asked a QUESTION b/c I was unsure if my asking price of $275 on ads I'VE ALREADY PLACED elsewhere was too much or little. So how about you enjoy your night and thank you very much for you sarcastic/pointless response.
Whatever you say. I'm sure that since you did mention eBay that you have no way to actually see what they are selling for there instead of coming in here where probably few people have actually sold their SGSIIs and weren't really trying to squeeze in an ad without anyone noticing. Uh huh.
Lol whatever you say dude.
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Look on Ebay and see what the going rate is.
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In the last week I noticed alot more Tab 4 stuff is being listed on ebay. Plenty of busy Chinese workers! I just had to fill that empty space in the forum headings. Love those cheap prices from China, I couldn't resist these!
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/261492672271...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251544799185?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/151312595134?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281348644620...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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In the last week I noticed alot more Tab 4 stuff is being listed on ebay. Plenty of busy Chinese workers! I just had to fill that empty space in the forum headings. Love those cheap prices from China, I couldn't resist these!
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/261492672271...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251544799185?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/151312595134?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281348644620...eName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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I may sound like some sort of Liberal, but I would not recommend buying Chinese/Asian "manufacturers" for 2 reasons:
1) Chinese products tend to not work correctly (about 60-70%)
2) Many of these "workers" are people in forced labor or even slaves. I know it sounds crazy but watch a Documentary about counterfeit items and stuff and you'll know what I am talking about
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I may sound like some sort of Liberal, but I would not recommend buying Chinese/Asian "manufacturers" for 2 reasons:
1) Chinese products tend to not work correctly (about 60-70%)
2) Many of these "workers" are people in forced labor or even slaves. I know it sounds crazy but watch a Documentary about counterfeit items and stuff and you'll know what I am talking about
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I am a union man but I have to say I don't agree with your "liberal" view.
My experience is that 95% of the stuff I have ordered on eBay from China functions exactly as described. I see many of the same products for sale here except with a 200% markup over the eBay price. I do agree that if it is an item that you need to depend on for work or something that may cause mayhem if it fails, yes there is no substitute for quality. A case, OTG cable, HDMI cable, or a screen protector isn't in that category, for me anyway!
Have you looked at how many holidays they have in China? Most are not oppressed slaves....they work hard to get a leg up.
God made the heavens and the earth in six days......everything else is made in China.....
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I am a union man but I have to say I don't agree with your "liberal" view.
My experience is that 95% of the stuff I have ordered on eBay from China functions exactly as described. I see many of the same products for sale here except with a 200% markup over the eBay price. I do agree that if it is an item that you need to depend on for work or something that may cause mayhem if it fails, yes there is no substitute for quality. A case, OTG cable, HDMI cable, or a screen protector isn't in that category, for me anyway!
Have you looked at how many holidays they have in China? Most are not oppressed slaves....they work hard to get a leg up.
God made the heavens and the earth in six days......everything else is made in China.....
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Well, I did not mean to offend but everyone sees it differently. I am no liberal, but that what it sounds like. Well just an opinion
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I bought this a few weeks ago. I got it for 9 bucks then its now 15 but its a really nice high quality durable portfolio type case. Plus comes with a 3 year warranty. So even for 15 bucks (still beats the 30-40 Ive seen them else where) still a good deal. And doesnt add much bulk. Everything still easily accessible except for the sd card slot. Its covered of course.
SUPCASE Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 7.0 Case - Premium Slim Hard Shell Leather Case Cover (Black), 3 Year Manufacturer Warranty
Btw where do you think your phone, tablet, tv, mp3 player etc etc comes from? Asian countries. Just saying.
Nothing for the 8-inch? :crying:
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Nothing for the 8-inch? :crying:
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What are you talking about? all the links posted are for the 8 inch
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What are you talking about? all the links posted are for the 8 inch
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My mistake. Must have misread something. I had just woken up when I posted that.
There are a bunch of poetic cases for the tab 4 now.
Those are some nice quality cases
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This thing in Amazing! http://tinyurl.com/oe2zqou
What is even better when I bought it in May (still had not been made LOL). I got it for $6 the next day was up to $15. I knew I was going to have to wait awhile so I bought a tab 3 silicone cover from bumps and drops (ports really don't match but an exacto knife solved that problem!). I got an email from Amazon that because they were taking so long they were stopping the order. I knew this was going to be a good case so I e-mailed the Supcase people and they said not to worry and the product was almost done!
When the time did come I was right this thing is great. It protects like an otterbox but is quite slim! Have dropped the tablet many times and doing great. But, I guess they rewarded my wait because they sent me second one absolutely free! To me that is great customer service!
Goofy
P.S I know this took more than five minutes to write if they freaking block me again I am going to scream!!!!!!!
sorry maybe in different topic , anyone knows where I can get TEMPERED GLASS for tab 4 8, becoz I couldn't found it at ebay or amazon.tx
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I am a union man but I have to say I don't agree with your "liberal" view.
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A dying breed.... due largely to exportation of jobs and aggressive right wing union busting.
I'm an inactive member of IBEW and AFTRA (because I no longer work in that industry) and belonged to bargaining units when I was a county employee.
Unfortunately, many people don't recognize that American workers get vacations, paid sick leave and holidays, health insurance and many of the other benefits we enjoy thanks to the contributions of organized labor, even if they don't belong to unions themselves.
The union influence is eroding because spin masters have re-branded union busting as "the right to work," and many people see unions as their enemy, not their best friend in the workplace.
I usually hate bumper stickers, but I smile every time I see one with a union logo and the slogan "United we bargain, divided we beg."
I bought a Spigen Ultra Hybrid from www.Mobilefun.co.uk and when it arrived it was the wrong colour and also it had the cut out for the TV aerial that the Korean version has. Obviously I would rather have the case without the cut out and the right colour but I have sent 3 emails to them now and each email had the same 4 questions about replacement or refund and they seem either unwilling or unable to answer more than one question at a time but unfortunately it is the same question.
I'm wondering if they do even carry the Ultra Hybrid without the cut out, I know Spigen do one without it because I have seen it but Mobilefun are not much fun to deal with. They take 24 hours to answer each email with a basic reply with a link to their returns form.
Obviously at this point I would not recommend anyone deal with them but would be grateful for any help.
Thanks
GTCC said:
I bought a Spigen Ultra Hybrid from www.Mobilefun.co.uk and when it arrived it was the wrong colour and also it had the cut out for the TV aerial that the Korean version has. Obviously I would rather have the case without the cut out and the right colour but I have sent 3 emails to them now and each email had the same 4 questions about replacement or refund and they seem either unwilling or unable to answer more than one question at a time but unfortunately it is the same question.
I'm wondering if they do even carry the Ultra Hybrid without the cut out, I know Spigen do one without it because I have seen it but Mobilefun are not much fun to deal with. They take 24 hours to answer each email with a basic reply with a link to their returns form.
Obviously at this point I would not recommend anyone deal with them but would be grateful for any help.
Thanks
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Shame about your poor experience with them I've never had any issues. A lot of suppliers have confused the LG G3 models. Many eBay sellers in the early days were selling the Korean cases as well. I suggest you get a refund and try Amazon UK or Clove or Handtec.
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Shame about your poor experience with them I've never had any issues. A lot of suppliers have confused the LG G3 models. Many eBay sellers in the early days were selling the Korean cases as well. I suggest you get a refund and try Amazon UK or Clove or Handtec.
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Yeah I know what you mean but I think it would be easier to get a replacement from them rather than get a refund. I guess that waiting 3 days for an answer is the main problem.
I know that Spigen sells the right one but I'm not sure if Mobilefun.co.uk sells them. There is no excuses for bad service these days.
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Yeah I know what you mean but I think it would be easier to get a replacement from them rather than get a refund. I guess that waiting 3 days for an answer is the main problem.
I know that Spigen sells the right one but I'm not sure if Mobilefun.co.uk sells them. There is no excuses for bad service these days.
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I found you can ask question on the site itself against the product. Have asked about the antenna hole for the white version.
jah said:
I found you can ask question on the site itself against the product. Have asked about the antenna hole for the white version.
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I have asked on there so I will just wait to see if they answer or even acknowledge the question.
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I have asked on there so I will just wait to see if they answer or even acknowledge the question.
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I asked on their site and after 24 hours they haven't replied or even posted my question.
Many seem to like the site but ive had nothing but problems with them. Wrong items, claiming they have stock when they don't and the G Watch I ordered looked used and had a screen fault.
They have now replied on their site but I'm still none the wiser whether or not they carry the right case. You can see the reply on the site under the ultra hybrid case.
I've ordered some Spigen cases from another retailer on the web, we'll see if either of these show up with the correct colour and form factor according to their site. I've requested one red and one Android green. :fingers-crossed:
I've found that retailers on a certain Chinese wholesale site can often be easier to deal with and more reliable than some domestic retailers..
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They have now replied on their site but I'm still none the wiser whether or not they carry the right case. You can see the reply on the site under the ultra hybrid case.
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Little follow up to this, they removed my question from their website and still haven't replied to my emails so last week I opened a case with paypal and they haven't replied to that either.
GTCC said:
Little follow up to this, they removed my question from their website and still haven't replied to my emails so last week I opened a case with paypal and they haven't replied to that either.
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Last update on this, PayPal refunded my money.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention
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Last update on this, PayPal refunded my money.
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Thank you, GTCC, for bringing this to our attention.
Our Spigen Ultra Hybrid LG G3 cases do indeed feature a cut out on the top right corner for the antenna, as shown in the images. We have now added a note to the relevant product pages to ensure this is made clear to our customers.
I am very sorry to hear that you have experienced issues with your order - this has been brought to the attention of our Customer Relations team and will be investigated.
Jah - glad to hear that you've had a good experience with us.
ChrisM75 - Please contact our Customer Service team to arrange a replacement of your LG G Watch if it has a faulty screen. Various contact methods are available on the Contact Us page; links to it can be found at the very top of each of our pages.
Kind regards,
Mihnea
Mobile Fun
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Thank you, GTCC, for bringing this to our attention.
I am very sorry to hear that you have experienced issues with your order - this has been brought to the attention of our Customer Relations team and will be investigated.
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Customer relations team, what a joke that is. If they were any good or even existed I wouldn't have had to go to PayPal.
I order all my cases and accessories from Amazon....
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I order all my cases and accessories from Amazon....
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Yeah I have prime now so I'm going to be making the most of it.
Further information required
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Customer relations team, what a joke that is. If they were any good or even existed I wouldn't have had to go to PayPal.
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Following up - to help with our investigation please send us a private message with your order ID and email address. Many thanks!
mobilefunsupport said:
Following up - to help with our investigation please send us a private message with your order ID and email address. Many thanks!
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As I have said I got my refund from PayPal so no need for you to try doing something now when it is clearly too late. Even when I opened the case with PayPal you didn't contact me.
What you can help with is why my review was not put on your website? I submitted it over a week ago.
Btw Spigen was not very happy when I told them how you deal or don't deal with your customers.
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As I have said I got my refund from PayPal so no need for you to try doing something now when it is clearly too late. Even when I opened the case with PayPal you didn't contact me.
What you can help with is why my review was not put on your website? I submitted it over a week ago.
Btw Spigen was not very happy when I told them how you deal or don't deal with your customers.
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We would like your order ID and email address so that we can look into how this happened, including looking into the review issue. Our investigation will also help ensure that such mistakes are not made again. If you could please send us a message with the requested details it would be much appreciated. Thank you for your understanding.
Hi everybody
I have 2 Touchpad's that have unfortunately died, there's no damage to them but they refuse to charge.
I've now bought a Samsung galaxy tab pro so they are are up for grabs.
I would prefer collection but am happy to post with a sae if necessary.
Basis all the support and advice I've received here I would like to give back to the community.
Also have a couple of touchstones that are only being used as stands for my samsung.
I'm not on line as much as I used to be (Health reasons) so please DON'T expect an immediate response.
I will obviously be looking at post count and number of thanks when requests are in.
sstar said:
Hi everybody
I have 2 Touchpad's that have unfortunately died, there's no damage to them but they refuse to charge.
I've now bought a Samsung galaxy tab pro so they are are up for grabs.
I would prefer collection but am happy to post with a sae if necessary.
Basis all the support and advice I've received here I would like to give back to the community.
Also have a couple of touchstones that are only being used as stands for my samsung.
I'm not on line as much as I used to be (Health reasons) so please DON'T expect an immediate response.
I will obviously be looking at post count and number of thanks when requests are in.
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My oldest daughter uses our TouchPad, and has for years. My son is old enough now to be jealous. I would love to have another touchpad. I'd be happy to see if I could get one or both of those working and set them up with KK so that my kids can be on equal footing. I'm not familiar with 'collection' or 'SAE', my wife deals with shopping and shipping a lot more than I do. Do you have any takers yet?
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My oldest daughter uses our TouchPad, and has for years. My son is old enough now to be jealous. I would love to have another touchpad. I'd be happy to see if I could get one or both of those working and set them up with KK so that my kids can be on equal footing. I'm not familiar with 'collection' or 'SAE', my wife deals with shopping and shipping a lot more than I do. Do you have any takers yet?
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SAE stands for self addressed envelope, yes one the big contributers has also asked for one. I believe that shipping cost to the US /Canada are approximately £20 ($32).I'm happy giving them away and will probably chuck in a Touchstone with each but don't want to be out £40 ie 20 per.
I will check on the cost and report back .
Roland you definitely have one to play with, I can't believe that haven't got one bearing in mind all the tutorials you have done.
If you and Roland are OK with that I'll get it organised next week or when ever is convenient.
Please note that I can't guarantee that you are able to get it to charge. They haven't been dropped but just refused to charge. Hopefully if you can't get it working you can cover your costs by selling for part's.
sstar said:
SAE stands for self addressed envelope, yes one the big contributers has also asked for one. I believe that shipping cost to the US /Canada are approximately £20 ($32).I'm happy giving them away and will probably chuck in a Touchstone with each but don't want to be out £40 ie 20 per.
I will check on the cost and report back .
Roland you definitely have one to play with, I can't believe that haven't got one bearing in mind all the tutorials you have done.
If you and Roland are OK with that I'll get it organised next week or when ever is convenient.
Please note that I can't guarantee that you are able to get it to charge. They haven't been dropped but just refused to charge. Hopefully if you can't get it working you can cover your costs by selling for part's.
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Hey, I ran this idea by my wife, and while I thought it was a stellar idea, she didn't agree. I really appreciate the offer, so I won't be able to go through with it after all. Sorry
Hey buddy, i would be glad to take one of those off of your hands along with the touchstone, i live in Colorado, please pm me and I'll get you whatever you need to get it out to me, thanks!
I would like one please, I'm here in the UK west middle-lands which would make it easier for you.
Hi
If you still have one of these I would love to have a play with it. I am actually in Brighton so could collect from you as long as you are accessible by bus (I don't drive)
Have you left them on the charger for hours??? I had the issue a couple times where they wouldn't charge, but after leaving them on the charger for hours they finally came back to life. Also, does the little light flash across the home button when you put them on a charger?
I am also interested. Any chance either of the TouchPads are the white 64-gig devices?
I understand at this point I am last in line, so if other takers back out, please let me know. I can paypal you the money ASAP.
--McBean
I'll take one. I need it for parts.
@sstar Great thing you're doing, happy with my touchpads but would love a touchstone if you have one still. Contribution wise, my Touchpad Automated Installer has had 17500+ downloads so helped a fair few people!
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