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Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
ERIFNOMI said:
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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PaganAng3l said:
Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
wakestrong said:
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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PaganAng3l said:
Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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ddgarcia05 said:
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
mbh87 said:
It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
garfnodie said:
How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
I have a white unranded Xperia S and have still not recieved the generic .73 update.... Has anyone else yet? Why is this taking so long? Its been out for over a month in singapore and nothing yet in the UK on unbranded Xperia S devices.... I used to have a HTC Desire which got timely updates.
Not impressed. It feels like all Sony have done is re brand Sony/Ericsson who used to be shocking for stuff like this.
Positive thinking, maybe they skip .73 and go for ICS.
I gave up. If you're itching to try one of the .73 FWs, just get one from the Dev section and flash it. You don't need to unlock the bootloader unless you want a prerooted one.
Sony UK really dropped the ball on this one, I think.
Sorry guys, I really dont mean to sound so negative. Its a fantastic phone and in all honesty so far its been great apart from battery life. I know the .73 firmware addresses this.
I really dont want to Root my phone etc just so I can get the firmware. I think Sony should have released it in the UK, my thinking is maybe Sony has not released it because ICS is just around the corner. If not that im not happy at all.
Look at the Playstation 3 and Playstation Vita. They update those devices fast, ok I know its not a Phone but maybe Sonys mobile devision could learn a thing or two from their games console devision.
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Sorry guys, I really dont mean to sound so negative. Its a fantastic phone and in all honesty so far its been great apart from battery life. I know the .73 firmware addresses this.
I really dont want to Root my phone etc just so I can get the firmware. I think Sony should have released it in the UK, my thinking is maybe Sony has not released it because ICS is just around the corner. If not that im not happy at all.
Look at the Playstation 3 and Playstation Vita. They update those devices fast, ok I know its not a Phone but maybe Sonys mobile devision could learn a thing or two from their games console devision.
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Flashtool a stock firmware from another region. You can do that without unlocking bootloader.
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I suppose the question he is asking is ' if the .73 update improves something as fundamental as battery life, then why oh why have Sony mobile UK refused to release it especially when it's available for branded kits. It just brings back bad memories of the X10 and we hoped all that was history now.
I personally believe the phone should never have been released with gingerbread. I just cannot understand the reasoning behind this move and I'm sorry Sony are just add guilty as Ericsson for this. Rebranding or not.
A phone that could have really taken off once again has been given a handicap by very poor executive decision making. Again a throw back to the x10 days. If ICS wasn't ready by the proposed launch date then they should have delayed the launch rather than releasing the phone with software that the community doesn't care about anymore.
It just shows that the company, Sony included, just haven't got it that android sells these phone and not the stuff they do no matter how good that might be.
A shame because the phone despite its cheaper price is in my opinion currently the best thing on the market.
The big retailers like amazon and play have just refused Sony's recommended retail price of £460 because of the poor poor performance of the phones released last year. Who can blame them. The xperia s will just have to clean up the sales mess left behind by the arc, play, and all the other ridiculous devices they flooded the market with last year.
It beggars belief that Sony should find themselves in any way shape or form competing with HTC, Samsung, and the other Korean and Chinese manufacturers.
On a hardware level despite its older CPU, the xperia is much quicker than all others which proves the point that when it comes to electronics, made in Japan is better than made in Korea, Taiwan, and China. No offence to the rest but the Taiwanese and Chinese are still very much up and coming.
What they do however is understand the android community much better than Sony.
Sony seem to think we are like apple consumers which couldn't be further from the truth. There in lies their problem.
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Hi K900, thanks for the reply but I would rather use official update channels which for some reason have not happened in the UK. A bit of a silly move considering the Xperia S is selling bucket loads in the UK at the moment.
zodiac100 said:
I suppose the question he is asking is ' if the .73 update improves something as fundamental as battery life, then why oh why have Sony mobile UK refused to release it especially when it's available for branded kits. It just brings back bad memories of the X10 and we hoped all that was history now.
I personally believe the phone should never have been released with gingerbread. I just cannot understand the reasoning behind this move and I'm sorry Sony are just add guilty as Ericsson for this. Rebranding or not.
A phone that could have really taken off once again has been given a handicap by very poor executive decision making. Again a throw back to the x10 days. If ICS wasn't ready by the proposed launch date then they should have delayed the launch rather than releasing the phone with software that the community doesn't care about anymore.
It just shows that the company, Sony included, just haven't got it that android sells these phone and not the stuff they do no matter how good that might be.
A shame because the phone despite its cheaper price is in my opinion currently the best thing on the market.
The big retailers like amazon and play have just refused Sony's recommended retail price of £460 because of the poor poor performance of the phones released last year. Who can blame them. The xperia s will just have to clean up the sales mess left behind by the arc, play, and all the other ridiculous devices they flooded the market with last year.
It beggars belief that Sony should find themselves in any way shape or form competing with HTC, Samsung, and the other Korean and Chinese manufacturers.
On a hardware level despite its older CPU, the xperia is much quicker than all others which proves the point that when it comes to electronics, made in Japan is better than made in Korea, Taiwan, and China. No offence to the rest but the Taiwanese and Chinese are still very much up and coming.
What they do however is understand the android community much better than Sony.
Sony seem to think we are like apple consumers which couldn't be further from the truth. There in lies their problem.
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Yes I agree it seems very illogical. I came from a HTC Desire which had some really fast updates and Sony to me seems highly odd, considering the .73 firmware fixes battery issues.
The phone has taken of by the way, its selling very well across the world but Sony could help by releasing firmware that its possibly very important to everyone.
As for the processor and the Phone it was all designed in europe including the processors and stuff. All sony did was remove the ericsson moniker and make then use better hardware.
ICS is apparently out as early as a week away, if your phone is locked down to a network it maybe longer due to bloatware. This may not happen but reading stuff on here and twitter its looking very likely. Android versions arnt what sells a phone the most to consumers, its the screen, the design of the Phone, the camera and yea im sure the Android version helps but its not a huge thing. I really hope this is just a bedding in period with Ericsson now being trained how to make Sony phones properly.
I think its a fantastic phone and with the correct leadership from Sony could be bigger yet (sales).
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Sorry guys, I really dont mean to sound so negative. Its a fantastic phone and in all honesty so far its been great apart from battery life. I know the .73 firmware addresses this.
I really dont want to Root my phone etc just so I can get the firmware. I think Sony should have released it in the UK, my thinking is maybe Sony has not released it because ICS is just around the corner. If not that im not happy at all.
Look at the Playstation 3 and Playstation Vita. They update those devices fast, ok I know its not a Phone but maybe Sonys mobile devision could learn a thing or two from their games console devision.
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I've flashed a .73 firmware version and I have to say that I'm not really noticing a major difference in battery life. Granted, yes it's better but by like an hour or something silly like that...personally if I were you I'd just wait it out a couple more months...
Sony mobile UK is in complete limbo..
BTW I flashed to NL .73. Its preety good.
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huntedsoul12 said:
Sony mobile UK is in complete limbo..
BTW I flashed to NL .73. Its preety good.
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You say that but the battery drain while using it is still poor....
EBirkett said:
You say that but the battery drain while using it is still poor....
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I have seen people say its great and others who say it is not....
EBirkett said:
You say that but the battery drain while using it is still poor....
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The ONE X is also bad to be honest though...
Pretty poor on Sony's part to leave a simple firmware update hanging in a region.
Hopefully this all means ICS is just around the corner.
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I have seen people say its great and others who say it is not....
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I think it's more down to the user than anything...personally as someone who isnt a frequent user of their phone (mainly due to the fact that I use a tab), I find it quite disappointing how quick the battery drains...even in standby mode.
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Yes I agree it seems very illogical. I came from a HTC Desire which had some really fast updates and Sony to me seems highly odd, considering the .73 firmware fixes battery issues.
The phone has taken of by the way, its selling very well across the world but Sony could help by releasing firmware that its possibly very important to everyone.
As for the processor and the Phone it was all designed in europe including the processors and stuff. All sony did was remove the ericsson moniker and make then use better hardware.
ICS is apparently out as early as a week away, if your phone is locked down to a network it maybe longer due to bloatware. This may not happen but reading stuff on here and twitter its looking very likely. Android versions arnt what sells a phone the most to consumers, its the screen, the design of the Phone, the camera and yea im sure the Android version helps but its not a huge thing. I really hope this is just a bedding in period with Ericsson now being trained how to make Sony phones properly.
I think its a fantastic phone and with the correct leadership from Sony could be bigger yet (sales).
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Somehow I doubt that ICS is around the corner. Android version matters more than anything else. If Sony left the s at gingerbread, the phone would bomb.
The phone is doing well as far as sales goes but that's because the HTC devices have been disappointing. Once the galaxy s3 is launched. All that would change as things stand. Sony need to make sure ICS is ready before the s3 launch
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K900 said:
Flashtool a stock firmware from another region. You can do that without unlocking bootloader.
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Hi, hope you don't mind me asking. I've just upgraded my old X10 Mini Pro and should be receiving the Xperia S in a couple of days. I've been looking at .73 threads in the Dev section and they tend to imply an unlocked bootloader. e.g http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1571396
Needless to say I'm somewhat confused! Can I flash the above with a locked bootloader?
scook94 said:
Hi, hope you don't mind me asking. I've just upgraded my old X10 Mini Pro and should be receiving the Xperia S in a couple of days. I've been looking at .73 threads in the Dev section and they tend to imply an unlocked bootloader. e.g http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1571396
Needless to say I'm somewhat confused! Can I flash the above with a locked bootloader?
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This got me too.
You can flash an original official FW, so replace stock UK with stock SG(Singapore) for example. But this wont get you root, unfortunately.
Scratchling said:
This got me too.
You can flash an original official FW, so replace stock UK with stock SG(Singapore) for example. But this wont get you root, unfortunately.
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Yeah, I think I'd have to flash something like DoomKernel to get root? I'm still struggling with the learning curve with the Xperia S and still can't see the wood for the trees!
At this point the first thing I'm aiming to do is improve battery life, which .73 seems to do for many people.
Just had an email from Sony UK saying the .73 firmware will be out sometime this week. Makes me think ICS will be a long wait if it takes so long to release a simple firmware update.
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Me: Dear Sony, does rooting void warranty, without touching the bootloader?
Sony: "Dear x,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Xperia support centre.
We can confirm that rooting your Sony Xperia Sola would unfortunately void your two year warranty.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause..."
OMFG
Does anyone think that they might not detect root? They already said that re-locking the bootloader won't hide it's unlocking.
*facepalm*
The bootloader thing is detectable.
Root can be erased easy.
I thought it was normal that root = warranty void ?
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They tell you it voids waranty but it only counts for software. My xperia play was bootloader unlocked and sony repaired it two times free.
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No worries, just flash back a stock ftf and they won't have any idea you rooted your device at all.
From what I heard from the Sony reps in my country, bootloader unlocking only voids warranty for certain hardware failures such as overheated CPU due to overclocking, motherboard problems etc. Other things such as screen should still be covered.
Hmm ^^ the above posts are quite positive...just maybe I will do it...thanks! :good:
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Me: Dear Sony, does rooting void warranty, without touching the bootloader?
Sony: "Dear x,
Thank you for contacting the Sony Xperia support centre.
We can confirm that rooting your Sony Xperia Sola would unfortunately void your two year warranty.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause..."
OMFG
Does anyone think that they might not detect root? They already said that re-locking the bootloader won't hide it's unlocking.
*facepalm*
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The only facepalm here of course is YOU, I mean really, you emailed them this? Are you for real? What did you think they (or any other Android vendor, or even Apple) would say?
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The only facepalm here of course is YOU, I mean really, you emailed them this? Are you for real? What did you think they (or any other Android vendor, or even Apple) would say?
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True!!
Use the thank button, it's there for a reason
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The only facepalm here of course is YOU, I mean really, you emailed them this? Are you for real? What did you think they (or any other Android vendor, or even Apple) would say?
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Actually no, I just got the phone today, I don't want to destroy a 2 year warranty, like many have done NOOB. I have a Sony 2010, 2011 and 2012 device and they have changed their response to this.
Also, Sony supports the modding community by giving 20 phones to XDA people - do you read? NOOB
Secondly, Sony has been unclear about this. They invited interested customers to test their beta ICS ROM which involved unlocking the bootloader, then 6 months later they tell everyone who's unlocked the BL have definitely voided their warranty (there are very few exceptions). They never clarified which part of the software modding voids warranty, hence the press statements and 'clarifications'.
So take your smug attitude, and next time, if you can't help, BUZZ off!
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Actually no, I just got the phone today, I don't want to destroy a 2 year warranty, like many have done NOOB. I have a Sony 2010, 2011 and 2012 device and they have changed their response to this.
Secondly, Sony has been unclear about this. They invited interested customers to test their beta ICS ROM which involved unlocking the bootloader, then 6 months later they tell everyone who's unlocked the BL have definitely voided their warranty (there are very few exceptions). They never clarified which part of the software modding voids warranty, hence the press statements and 'clarifications'.
So take your smug attitude, and next time, if you can't help, BUZZ off!
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As told... BL unlocking is traceable... rooting is not.
You can root your phone and, the only way you are detected is if you send it like that.
If you don't unlock your BL you just need to flash or hard reset phone and you have your fone back to original state.
In either cases, If you don't want to take chances don't touch the phone... that is Sony idea... you live with that if you want.
That's really helpful, thanks!
The email told you that.
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Sent in my rooted arc with no problem but it was a housing defect which they replaced. They still reset my phone to stock lol
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That's standard proceedure at service centers, I've had bad internal batteries checked over and they clean reset just for kicks...
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Scariest thing is once they catch you modding that device won't be welcome at a service center again, I've had that for 2 X1's, just be careful...
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An interesting development, a Sony guy indicates a relaxed attitude to rooting on their phones:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/02/22/se-developer-head-hints-at-more-relaxed-view-on-rooting/
SharpnShiny said:
An interesting development, a Sony guy indicates a relaxed attitude to rooting on their phones:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/02/22/se-developer-head-hints-at-more-relaxed-view-on-rooting/
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Interesting development? That's over 18 months ago.
This is what Sony UK told me:
Hi #####, validating the warranty of a handset once the bootloader has been unlocked is done on a case by case basis which is why we are unable to say for definite whether or not the warranty would be voided by doing this.
However, unlocking the bootloader is usually done to load custom roms and unofficial software which does void the warranty in most cases.
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I've asked for an example of when it wouldn't void the warranty, but yet to hear back, will chase them up on Monday.
It really depends on what your issue is. If it is something that can be attributed to running a custom kernel or from rooting, then they may deny it. If it is just a hardware failure like a bad screen or something then they will generally fix it. Of course you could always end up dealing with some jerk who wont help you at all though. Most manufacturers are the same way (HTC and Sammy), but they generally fix things even with a root and custom rom.
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The only facepalm here of course is YOU, I mean really, you emailed them this? Are you for real? What did you think they (or any other Android vendor, or even Apple) would say?
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um...something like
"Dear sir,
Rooting does not void your warranty. Unlocking the Bootloader, on the other hand, will void your warranty.
Sincerely,
Sony Guy"
theronkinator said:
Interesting development? That's over 18 months ago.
This is what Sony UK told me:
I've asked for an example of when it wouldn't void the warranty, but yet to hear back, will chase them up on Monday.
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Quite right, I don't know how that happened, but that is an old article.
In the meantime, it's good getting feedback from others like above ^^^ we know for example that they have repaired some phones with unlocked BL. Exactly like the guy above says, it's related to what you did with it I guess.
It's easy to unroot I think. How could it be detected? Except unlocking bootloader, even when it relocked again but I receive code from Sony, so it's traceable.
This is just sad!!!
LG makes awesome devices, the G2 is one of the best devices available now, great hardware, great screen yet no devs or users buy it. I know its like the chicken and the egg, but still, its wired not a lot of people buy it.
HTC has S-OFF and locked bootloader, Samsung also has now that stup!d KNOX, Sony and Moto makes pretty bad devices, why devs don't develop for LG devices?!?! Why?!?!
Because no one has unlocked the G2 bootloader.
Also, it is not a popular phone.
Ratiocination said:
Because no one has unlocked the G2 bootloader.
Also, it is not a popular phone.
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I'm talking about LG in general. The Optimus G doesn't have a lot of roms.
Their phones are not popular, but they are awesome phones!
This thread was with rhetorical questions, I know this is the situation and all that, I wanted to create a discussion about this subject
Is there anyone actively looking for exploits in our bootloader?
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I do think I heard some people on the G2 IRC (freenode #lg-g2) are attempting, but I am not certain if this is true.
Anyhoo, no progress has been made currently.
Ha... because its been out for just over a week. AND in the first week we already have root.
Jeeeeeeeesh!
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Ha... because its been out for just over a week. AND in the first week we already have root.
Jeeeeeeeesh!
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Go Bucks!!!!
Everyone that's demanding development/boot loader unlock...first its only been a week since the phone was released...what did you expect every dev to go out and buy a g2...next why don't you go try to learn all the complexities that are involved in the process...just cause there's no news been made public doesn't mean things aren't being worked on. The appropriate individuals will say something when the time is right..whenever the exploit/exploits are done is when they're done...don't rush our devs, make stupid posts, and pointless threads as that will just piss some of them off...that being said things are in the works, just be patient.
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Speaking of the bootloader, is there a button combo that can be used to access it? Or is there no such option on this phone. This is my first LG device so I'm feeling a bit like a fish out of water.
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Go Bucks!!!!
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diagf from a UM fan
I suspect that Development will come once ppl realize the Note 3 is gonna be locked down pretty hard (might take as long as the first OTA to kill any exploits like the S4). Just give it time.. VZN ppl will want a Nexus 5 like device and the LG G2 will be the closest thing hardware wise to it. Just don't expect crazy dev like a flagship Samsung device or the Moto X but there should be some in the near future.
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diagf from a UM fan
I suspect that Development will come once ppl realize the Note 3 is gonna be locked down pretty hard (might take as long as the first OTA to kill any exploits like the S4). Just give it time.. VZN ppl will want a Nexus 5 like device and the LG G2 will be the closest thing hardware wise to it. Just don't expect crazy dev like a flagship Samsung device or the Moto X but there should be some in the near future.
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+1. If nobody knew any better they would believe it was a Nexus 5 just from looking at screen, and the LG emblem. Oh yeah, the N5 is shipping with the same hardware...hmm um Verizon LG N5 *cough cough G2*. Development will come and when it does just root. CM. And Verizon N5 . Clearly LG is learning from their Google Nexus 4 and thats what we see in the G2, lets see the difference when the N5 comes out i bet they will be virtually identical, aesthetics and hardware wise, obviously not the software.
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Speaking of the bootloader, is there a button combo that can be used to access it? Or is there no such option on this phone. This is my first LG device so I'm feeling a bit like a fish out of water.
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The closest I know, and I dont think it's bootloader, is Volume up and plugging in USB. It brings up a download/firmware upgrade screen, which is also where you can see the Rooted boot flag displayed.
There mere fact that we have root (AND got rid of carrier ID) is indicative that development is happening.
Be patient folks
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The closest I know, and I dont think it's bootloader, is Volume up and plugging in USB. It brings up a download/firmware upgrade screen, which is also where you can see the Rooted boot flag displayed.
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Yeah that's all I've found so far too. Well that and I did stumble on our hidden diagnostics screen. (##228378 in dialer). There is a field test mode there. Doubt it'll come into play for anything but never know I guess.
You know why there's no one developing on LG phones? Because people $hitting on LG phones like it's their job. Just look at the new arstechnica review of the G2. They made it sound like it's the worst phone ever made.
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Everyone that's demanding development/boot loader unlock...first its only been a week since the phone was released...what did you expect every dev to go out and buy a g2...next why don't you go try to learn all the complexities that are involved in the process...just cause there's no news been made public doesn't mean things aren't being worked on. The appropriate individuals will say something when the time is right..whenever the exploit/exploits are done is when they're done...don't rush our devs, make stupid posts, and pointless threads as that will just piss some of them off...that being said things are in the works, just be patient.
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I don't think he was 'rushing' the devs.. Just asking why there's not much development on LG devices. But yeah, its only been out for a week, and it does seem like an awesome phone. It already has root, just give it time.
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You know why there's no one developing on LG phones? Because people $hitting on LG phones like it's their job. Just look at the new arstechnica review of the G2. They made it sound like it's the worst phone ever made.
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The Samsung fanboy is strong in that one. He completely blew things out of proportion, like come on, a font bug?! Then he left out how the camera was, just pointing out he got a bad auto image once. Then you read the S4 review and its like God handed it to him himself
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You know why there's no one developing on LG phones? Because people $hitting on LG phones like it's their job. Just look at the new arstechnica review of the G2. They made it sound like it's the worst phone ever made.
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The Samsung fanboy is strong in that one. He completely blew things out of proportion, like come on, a font bug?! Then he left out how the camera was, just pointing out he got a bad auto image once. Then you read the S4 review and its like God handed it to him himself
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At least some ppl are keeping him honest :good:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1mkkho/review_lgs_g2_smartphone_gets_caught_living_in/
I hate to bust people's bubble but I've been around Android and its development community (XDA) a long time and from my experience I'm going to say once a phone lacks any development at the beginning, it usually stays that way to the bitter end. Development won't magically just pick up.
It's just an unfortunate part of being in a crowded phone market with HTC, Samsung and even Sony. Developers rather develop for the more popular headsets and the LG will be on the outside looking in.
I'm not going to sugar coat this, if you bought this phone for development I suggest you return it while you have a return window, cause development....it's not going to happen.
If you fell in love with the G2 phone I suggest you wait for the Nexus version of it and then you're going to have a real development community.
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I hate to bust people's bubble but I've been around Android and its development community (XDA) a long time and from my experience I'm going to say once a phone lacks any development at the beginning, it usually stays that way to the bitter end. Development won't magically just pick up.
It's just an unfortunate part of being in a crowded phone market with HTC, Samsung and even Sony. Developers rather develop for the more popular headsets and the LG will be on the outside looking in.
I'm not going to sugar coat this, if you bought this phone for development I suggest you return it while you have a return window, cause development....it's not going to happen.
If you fell in love with the G2 phone I suggest you wait for the Nexus version of it and then you're going to have a real development community.
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John Snow, I didnt know you had a computer in the North? There are several developers who are trying/finding the best way to unlock the bootloader, what exactly did you expect the developers to do within a week without an unlocked bootloader? Yes, some developers go for only the big devices, and guess what, this is one. You seem to know nothing about anything around here, so dont go spreading lies.
Or the first week of February. Maybe something that doesn't matter to a lot of us who already jumped onto the leaked Lollipop build I have to offer.
I know I haven't seen many of the users who posted here before because Verizon surely did rip us. Yesterday I've spent quite some time looking at the Droid Turbo 2, LG V10, Moto X Pure, and the Note 4/5 at Best Buy. Snappier UI experience, amazing cameras, and surely they all got the best support of today. I would only jump ship knowing if I could get all of those + waterproofing on Verizon and that's that.
I only hold thread on my phone definitely for most of those features on an Xperia that was a flagship of 2014. And there's also that contract too. If the bootloader was ever unlocked, I'm pretty sure our two developers on the phone could do much more. For the time being, I do try my best in enjoying the Z3v with what's in this showcasing attachment.
Pretty soon...
The factory version would need to have additional features that I *would* use before I go back to OTA. My phone is stable and I am happy.
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Or the first week of February. Maybe something that doesn't matter to a lot of us who already jumped onto the leaked Lollipop build I have to offer.
I know I haven't seen many of the users who posted here before because Verizon surely did rip us. Yesterday I've spent quite some time looking at the Droid Turbo 2, LG V10, Moto X Pure, and the Note 4/5 at Best Buy. Snappier UI experience, amazing cameras, and surely they all got the best support of today. I would only jump ship knowing if I could get all of those + waterproofing on Verizon and that's that.
I only hold thread on my phone definitely for most of those features on an Xperia that was a flagship of 2014. And there's also that contract too. If the bootloader was ever unlocked, I'm pretty sure our two developers on the phone could do much more. For the time being, I do try my best in enjoying the Z3v with what's in this showcasing attachment.
Pretty soon...
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Do you have a source of this and whether it is a newer build our not?
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I don't know what it is with 5.0.2 but my experience with it compared to 4.4.4 has been awful. I haven't experienced as many app/phone crashes, freezes or instances of chrome running out of RAM for things like uploading a picture with rooted KK (if any) as I have with LP. It's so unstable for me.
Quite literally the only thing it has going for me is the Material design and even that I could work without if I let myself get used to Holo again. I'm hoping if VZW ever does come out with a more finalized build for its OTA that it doesn't crap all over itself like this build is on my phone.
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I don't know what it is with 5.0.2 but my experience with it compared to 4.4.4 has been awful. I haven't experienced as many app/phone crashes, freezes or instances of chrome running out of RAM for things like uploading a picture with rooted KK (if any) as I have with LP. It's so unstable for me.
Quite literally the only thing it has going for me is the Material design and even that I could work without if I let myself get used to Holo again. I'm hoping if VZW ever does come out with a more finalized build for its OTA that it doesn't crap all over itself like this build is on my phone.
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With all this extra time they are taking and considering it is a stage fought patched internal release people have been testing it already is 1 step ahead of the other sony lollipop releases unless they are on 5.1.1 now. That's what verizon should be releasing to us. My HTC m8 was and still is stuck on 5.0.1 and that's a rough update
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I took the chance with chatting with a Verizon representative and I was surprised he gave me an exact date for it. May be true or not, but it's something neat to tell others just in case.
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I don't know what it is with 5.0.2 but my experience with it compared to 4.4.4 has been awful. I haven't experienced as many app/phone crashes, freezes or instances of chrome running out of RAM for things like uploading a picture with rooted KK (if any) as I have with LP. It's so unstable for me.
Quite literally the only thing it has going for me is the Material design and even that I could work without if I let myself get used to Holo again. I'm hoping if VZW ever does come out with a more finalized build for its OTA that it doesn't crap all over itself like this build is on my phone.
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You can tell the difference for sure just by opening the Recents menu on KK and LP. It opens up without lag on KK, but you can see a slight delay on LP.
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With all this extra time they are taking and considering it is a stage fought patched internal release people have been testing it already is 1 step ahead of the other sony lollipop releases unless they are on 5.1.1 now. That's what verizon should be releasing to us. My HTC m8 was and still is stuck on 5.0.1 and that's a rough update
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Who knows, maybe? I wonder if someone questioned Sony whether or not they released an updated rom or patch for the Z3v against Stagefright.
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I took the chance with chatting with a Verizon representative and I was surprised he gave me an exact date for it. May be true or not, but it's something neat to tell others just in case.
You can tell the difference for sure just by opening the Recents menu on KK and LP. It opens up without lag on KK, but you can see a slight delay on LP.
Who knows, maybe? I wonder if someone questioned Sony whether or not they released an updated rom or patch for the Z3v against Stagefright.
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I'm still on stock kitkat awaiting a final ota.. but with this delay there has to be a change from the internal release? How often are internal releases the final build for a ota update? What are the chances of marshmallow that sony is releasing for all their devices?
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I'm still on stock kitkat awaiting a final ota.. but with this delay there has to be a change from the internal release? How often are internal releases the final build for a ota update? What are the chances of marshmallow that sony is releasing for all their devices?
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There's almost no chance at all Marshmallow is coming to our device. It's really sad to say even though we are the bridge between the Z2 and Z3, but we're locked within Verizon's boundaries.
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There's almost no chance at all Marshmallow is coming to our device. It's really sad to say even though we are the bridge between the Z2 and Z3, but we're locked within Verizon's boundaries.
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Was the verizon rep a friend or was it a random you spoke with over phone? Do you think it's reliable info?
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Was the verizon rep a friend or was it a random you spoke with over phone? Do you think it's reliable info?
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It's someone random, but that doesn't necessarily determine if it's reliable or unreliable. It's already one year after the promised date range of when the Z3v was supposed to get the official Lollipop rom. Whatever comes now is just a worthwhile announcement. If we get it, we get it. If we don't, then oh well.
Oh man not another ota thread! No one believes these any more. Aren't you the one that said there was going to be one in November?
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Oh man not another ota thread! No one believes these any more. Aren't you the one that said there was going to be one in November?
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Maybe I did say it, or didn't. It could have been a lot of other people saying it as well. I just want to share hope far the antics go with what Verizon knows for what they think the OTA release dates are.
Even thinking the Z5 coming to Verizon was almost too good to be true, but I would like to have a nice upgrade to another flagship waterproof phone.
Be careful what you wish for with Sony devices. The Z2 I had with AT&T and Z3V on Verizon were solid devices, but the Z3 and Z3+ I've tried with T-Mobile both had reception issues. i.e. in fringe areas they would have no signal at all while other devices would have signal. I don't know what Sony has done with their newer devices but it really hasn't been an improvement.
Even my wife's Note 5 gets better reception than the Z3/Z3+
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Maybe I did say it, or didn't. It could have been a lot of other people saying it as well. I just want to share hope far the antics go with what Verizon knows for what they think the OTA release dates are.
Even thinking the Z5 coming to Verizon was almost too good to be true, but I would like to have a nice upgrade to another flagship waterproof phone.
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Keep guessing you'll get it right one day.
Well I guess we'll see if this is meaningful tomorrow I guess.....
https://community.verizonwireless.c...200472/read&inboxId=2-1377392&fromStream=true
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Keep guessing you'll get it right one day.
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Really try not to be a jerk, m'kay?
That'd be g r e a t.
Hi everyone
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Or the first week of February. Maybe something that doesn't matter to a lot of us who already jumped onto the leaked Lollipop build I have to offer.
I know I haven't seen many of the users who posted here before because Verizon surely did rip us. Yesterday I've spent quite some time looking at the Droid Turbo 2, LG V10, Moto X Pure, and the Note 4/5 at Best Buy. Snappier UI experience, amazing cameras, and surely they all got the best support of today. I would only jump ship knowing if I could get all of those + waterproofing on Verizon and that's that.
I only hold thread on my phone definitely for most of those features on an Xperia that was a flagship of 2014. And there's also that contract too. If the bootloader was ever unlocked, I'm pretty sure our two developers on the phone could do much more. For the time being, I do try my best in enjoying the Z3v with what's in this showcasing attachment.
Pretty soon...
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Could you please tell me how you got the xperia z5 camera to on your phone please
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Really try not to be a ****, m'kay?
That'd be g r e a t.
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I can't help myself, it's just my nature. :good:
I have not seen any hint of an OTA for our phones and I do keep watching for one, I think another forum member said he has a inside tipster who will let them know if there is to be an update OTA coming.
Well I just called Verizon to see if they would give me information that is in any way similar to what you received. The tech told me that they are focusing on updates for their HTCs LGS and Samsungs. He said that even though we can activate Advanced calling on our accounts the phone still needs the 5.0 update to actually use it. I asked him for a time frame. He said that the manufacturer hasn't sent them the update yet and then when I told him the manufacturer saidit was to be out by the end of 2015 and that competitors already have updates for their phones he kind of glazed over it.
So the time frame he gave me was possibly around spring break or during the summer in which he also said that sony is working on a new phone which would be coming around by then on Verizon and that they might be waiting to make the new phone before they push that update. So the false hope can be put to rest. The lead OTA would probably be our only option for a while and he said that they might not have released an update because they are still fixing bugs. And for the tech to try to relate he said that he is still waiting on an update for his samsung galaxy note 4 for Advanced calling.
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Could you please tell me how you got the xperia z5 camera to on your phone please
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In due time, it will be for everyone here. Pretty soon.