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Hi, Im looking for the way to get a real quality sound of the iPhones , Galaxy s with voodoo audio, Galaxy s2 and s3 with siyah kernel (voodoo audio).
I have been testing a lot of mods to get more output level ,editing a file from Android system folder. Now i have louder sound,
but the real problem of the sound output, its a kernel problema.
I found some comunities specialized with sound quality portable devices, and all say the same; the s4 (all models) its a great phone but a **** player ...
they said that the sound have a problem mainly with the low band frequencies., impedance problems,
at practical purposes, you can hear that the audio is not enough `"powerfull" .
Try to listen carefully one of your favorite songs, with your S4 and your Mac, or your pc... (with a good headphones), the sound of the kicks will be less stronger, with less punch...
some people say that the s4 have a great amplifier, but its controlled with a bad software, who manage the sound digitally when should be analogically.
I think that the only way to fix this audio quality is editing the kernel.
i dont know what parameters use the user "Super Mercurio" to create Voodoo Audio, but... it Works and the audio of the S, S2 and S3 Works correctly with it like an iPhone (iPhone,because i dont know why but allways have a great balance between software and hardware).
Siyah Kernel Works good in the s3 model with audio because include Voodoo Audio too. And Siyah is developed by the user Gokhanmoral.
Im trying the imposible to fix this problem but i dont know really what to do...
Do you think that could be something to do , to fix this audio problem with CM (or editing the stock kernel)??
here is one post of audiophiles users talking technically about it :
http://www.head-fi.org/t/655546/samsung-galaxy-s-4
thanks
I think you wrote in the totally wrong thread about this, since this mainly about the voltage problems between the I9506 and N9005 and
I doubt that anyone of us think about the sound quality right now but more about the line "If I test it will it melt my screen?" kind of concern.
I know there are some really awesome audio mods for HTC but since I don't own an Iphone nor will I ever I think this is way way wrong
forum.
/Abs
Besides, the sound in an ajfon is nothing compared to the HD-pack for HTC.
pablogalanmusic said:
Hi, Im looking for the way to get a real quality sound of the iPhones , Galaxy s with voodoo audio, Galaxy s2 and s3 with siyah kernel (voodoo audio).
I have been testing a lot of mods to get more output level ,editing a file from Android system folder. Now i have louder sound,
but the real problem of the sound output, its a kernel problema.
I found some comunities specialized with sound quality portable devices, and all say the same; the s4 (all models) its a great phone but a **** player ...
they said that the sound have a problem mainly with the low band frequencies., impedance problems,
at practical purposes, you can hear that the audio is not enough `"powerfull" .
Try to listen carefully one of your favorite songs, with your S4 and your Mac, or your pc... (with a good headphones), the sound of the kicks will be less stronger, with less punch...
some people say that the s4 have a great amplifier, but its controlled with a bad software, who manage the sound digitally when should be analogically.
I think that the only way to fix this audio quality is editing the kernel.
i dont know what parameters use the user "Super Mercurio" to create Voodoo Audio, but... it Works and the audio of the S, S2 and S3 Works correctly with it like an iPhone (iPhone,because i dont know why but allways have a great balance between software and hardware).
Siyah Kernel Works good in the s3 model with audio because include Voodoo Audio too. And Siyah is developed by the user Gokhanmoral.
Im trying the imposible to fix this problem but i dont know really what to do...
Do you think that could be something to do , to fix this audio problem with CM (or editing the stock kernel)??
here is one post of audiophiles users talking technically about it :
http://www.head-fi.org/t/655546/samsung-galaxy-s-4
thanks
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Oh, sorry,you're right Absolon, this not the correct thread
however, I'm trying to fix a distortion problem of the ample and DAC , not to boost the sound with eq to get a louder bass,etc…
thanks
pablogalanmusic said:
Oh, sorry,you're right Absolon, this not the correct thread
however, I'm trying to fix a distortion problem of the ample and DAC , not to boost the sound with eq to get a louder bass,etc…
thanks
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No worries. I never used my phone as a walkman. Ever. My battery can't handle 467 installed programs and then playing music at the
same time
But really, you can't have an Iphone as a reference for sound! Come on! It's not THAT good.
If you really want a reference, go to a audio-shop and listen to some Krell stuff. Then everything sounds bad
And finally, my experience tells me that it's waaay much about what ear-peaces you have. I had, until I of course misplaced them some
really nice ones that cost like an iPod back then. But I'm much for bass. My EQ at home is a V because I hear too well on the midrange
and being this old fart I can still pick up really high freqs. But then I listen mostly to classical music and that has to be flac even if I know
that a CD is not catching it all. That is why my friend went over to real vinyl and radio tubes to get "that" sound. But I rather buy more
disk to my computer(s)
/Absie
I didnt read your life story... but I think it would be great to have some development for our i9506.
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mezo91 said:
I didnt read your life story... but I think it would be great to have some development for our i9506.
Sent from my GT-I9506 using Tapatalk
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My "life story" was more for the people wondering where I was. Now they know.
But as I wrote in another post today (somewhere here) I doubt that it's worth it, if someone can't pitch in and do the real work we have to do,
because there is not many keyparts missing between the two phones.
Hi absolon I couldn't read all you wrote but actually I've got a team working on porting cm 11 to the i9506, development hasn't started yet , I'm still recruiting one more dev , if you wanna be in just tell me , your knowledge will be useful for the development .
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I used to own a note 2 and flashed roms twice a week sometimes twice a day ?
I really miss flashing new roms. ?
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mezo91 said:
I used to own a note 2 and flashed roms twice a week sometimes twice a day ?
I really miss flashing new roms. ?
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me too... [emoji30]
Gesendet von meinem GT-I9506 mit Tapatalk
can we ask a developer from note3, s4, note2 community to make for us a custom rom? he can create and we test it maybe and give feedback?
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Absolon said:
I need to get a dmesg (besides the files) from a real v4.3 Knoxed I9506!
Code:
dmesg > /storage/emulated/0/I9506_v4.3_knox_1.txt
Here the problem is that you can't do it as a normal user but has to be root but I think this should work:
Code:
[B]Make sure all is granted and fine [/B]
adb shell
su -
[B][I](grant it in the phone)[/I][/B]
[B]Reboot[/B]
adb shell "su -c dmesg > /storage/emulated/0/I9506_v4.3_knox_1.txt"
[B]or if that doesn't work[/B]
[B][U]adb shell
su -
dmesg > /storage/emulated/0/I9506_v4.3_knox_1.txt[/U][/B]
Want to cry more? Get me that 4.3! (And a copy of Hawkies)
/Abs - Over and out
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Hi
Okay, just rooted my phone to get you that dmesg thing.
The command that i underlined is the one I used, and it worked fine.
(I can not help you with Hawkies)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3316850/I9506_v4.3_knox_1.txt
Why are I missing the first from my log?
Turbo-fingers
Notfast said:
Hi
Okay, just rooted my phone to get you that dmesg thing.
The command that i underlined is the one I used, and it worked fine.
(I can not help you with Hawkies)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3316850/I9506_v4.3_knox_1.txt
Why are I missing the first from my log?
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I assume you did grant su in your phone first?
Yes, my bad, replace " with '
Code:
This should be the general syntax: su -c 'command1; command2; .... ; commandN'
The reason why you get it so late is because you didn't catch it fast enough and the ring buffer got full and threw away the first.
The only success I got was with that su command. It was under Linux. Never tried it in Windoze.
It takes some practice so don't be sad. I think that was my 3rd time I managed to catch it fast enough
/Absie
Absolon said:
I assume you did grant su in your phone first?
Yes, my bad, replace " with '
Code:
This should be the general syntax: su -c 'command1; command2; .... ; commandN'
The reason why you get it so late is because you didn't catch it fast enough and the ring buffer got full and threw away the first.
The only success I got was with that su command. It was under Linux. Never tried it in Windoze.
It takes some practice so don't be sad. I think that was my 3rd time I managed to catch it fast enough
/Absie
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I can´t get the multi command thing to work on windows.
But here is one from 5.980385sec
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3316850/I9506_v4.3_knox_8.txt
<6>[ 11.338924] EXT4-fs (dm-0): mounted filesystem without journal. Opts: errors=continue
This is the best yet [ 1.682904]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3316850/i9506_v43_2.txt
Edit:
[ 1.646265]
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3316850/i9506_v43_3.txt
Edit 2:
[ 1.595058]
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3316850/i9506_v43_4.txt
Turbo-fingers with low pressure kick-in
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Yes a 4.3 knoxed i9506.
The best one yet is with a script manager set to run at boot. It takes at while for my windows 7 to be able to talk to my phone after reboot.
I even tried to see if I could resize the ring buffer to by me more time. But no luck.
if you see my text files size they are smaller then yours, 4.4 may have a larger buffer?
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Notfast said:
Yes a 4.3 knoxed i9506.
The best one yet is with a script manager set to run at boot. It takes at while for my windows 7 to be able to talk to my phone after reboot.
I even tried to see if I could resize the ring buffer to by me more time. But no luck.
if you see my text files size they are smaller then yours, 4.4 may have a larger buffer?
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Maybe @DeHAWK could compile a kernel with a 256kb ring buffer since he has a working env?
Try one with a real ext4 for speed as well
/Abs
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Hey guys,
What is the BEST ROM for the Galaxy Player 4.0?
I REALLY want to flash a ROM but don't know which one to flash.
Your recommendations will be appreciated!
Also, along with ROM suggestion, can you also tell me HOW to flash it?
Thanks.
the playa! said:
Hey guys,
What is the BEST ROM for the Galaxy Player 4.0?
I REALLY want to flash a ROM but don't know which one to flash.
Your recommendations will be appreciated!
Also, along with ROM suggestion, can you also tell me HOW to flash it?
Thanks.
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nn
US version
If you want something fast i would go with EtherealRom v2.4 but if you want something stable i would go with IcyFusion
How to flash
1 Download Odin v 1.85 http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=581913&d=1304094576
2 then download terrasilent http://www.mediafire.com/?cf9aw48dnmiqi
3 extract odin and open it then click PDA then click terrasilent.tar
4 Put your galaxy player in download mode and connect itto computer
5 hit run on odin
6 after thats done go to odin and click pda and find the extracted rom you want and click the .tar file
7 Go back to download mode and hit run on odin
8 wait and enjoy
remember it has to have Root
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nn
US version
If you want something fast i would go with EtherealRom v2.4 but if you want something stable i would go with IcyFusion
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I don't think I can give a better synopsis that that. I loaded Ethereal and it was ridiculously fast, but I had crash issues(probably because I butchered/reflashed my bootloader/kernel/rom within days of getting it). IcyFusion is my daily driver rom and because of it my Samsung Galaxy Player has become my $0 a month smart phone. The only thing I needed to do to IcyFusion was download setCPU(sleep function lowers cpu so much that almost all media players stutter when the screen is off).
Either rom will make you completely dismiss stock as a complete waste of time. If you have any hiccups consider it an opportunity to learn a bit about your device and what it can do.
SGP4isokay said:
I don't think I can give a better synopsis that that. I loaded Ethereal and it was ridiculously fast, but I had crash issues(probably because I butchered/reflashed my bootloader/kernel/rom within days of getting it). IcyFusion is my daily driver rom and because of it my Samsung Galaxy Player has become my $0 a month smart phone. The only thing I needed to do to IcyFusion was download setCPU(sleep function lowers cpu so much that almost all media players stutter when the screen is off).
Either rom will make you completely dismiss stock as a complete waste of time. If you have any hiccups consider it an opportunity to learn a bit about your device and what it can do.
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The only problem I ever had with Ethereal was that it lagged way to much using Go Launcher EX. I had to change to Holo Launcher because of that. IcyFusion is great an all however, it was very hard for me to set up a Groove IP and Google Voice account, because it kept asking for a number lol. Performance I'd go with Ethereal, Battery Life I'd also go with Ethereal. But if you want more of the true ICS feel. Go with IcyFusion even though it is no slouch in performance either. Klin said he got 2300 @1ghz, but I only got 1700 with EXT =(. So I don't know. I may change back to it at some point.
soultaker123 said:
nn
US version
If you want something fast i would go with EtherealRom v2.4 but if you want something stable i would go with IcyFusion
How to flash
1 Download Odin v 1.85 http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=581913&d=1304094576
2 then download terrasilent http://www.mediafire.com/?cf9aw48dnmiqi
3 extract odin and open it then click PDA then click terrasilent.tar
4 Put your galaxy player in download mode and connect itto computer
5 hit run on odin
6 after thats done go to odin and click pda and find the extracted rom you want and click the .tar file
7 Go back to download mode and hit run on odin
8 wait and enjoy
remember it has to have Root
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for SOME reason... after I flashed the TerraSilent kernel to install these ROMS... my apps cant open.. like I see them.. but when I click them it says "Application not installed on phone" and it also shows an SD card on the apps. What also happened was that after I flashed the kernel, whenever I try to flash a ROM with ODIN, it says "USB not recognized" which didnt happen before I flashed TerraSilent. And I also want a stable ROM where the camera works...
to sum things up, I cant flash any ROMS that you need ODIN with AND I want a stable ROM to download.
thanks.
the playa! said:
for SOME reason... after I flashed the TerraSilent kernel to install these ROMS... my apps cant open.. like I see them.. but when I click them it says "Application not installed on phone" and it also shows an SD card on the apps. What also happened was that after I flashed the kernel, whenever I try to flash a ROM with ODIN, it says "USB not recognized" which didnt happen before I flashed TerraSilent. And I also want a stable ROM where the camera works...
to sum things up, I cant flash any ROMS that you need ODIN with AND I want a stable ROM to download.
thanks.
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I'm going to take a wild stab at this and say that you didn't flash TerraSilent as "PDA" in Odin. Unless something with your device goes horrifically wrong you shouldn't have to use "BOOTLOADER" or "PIT". To my knowledge we never use "PHONE" or "CSC" in Odin because of the nature of our devices(not being phones and all that). If you want to wait for a more knowledgeable person to respond they should have some more insight for you.
The camera works in IcyFusion and Ethereal. As far as I know everything works in both of those roms and this is from using IcyFusion for hours a day every single day.
Again, it sounds like you might want to retrace your steps, figure out what you did that deviated from Soultaker's instructions(or you can go to the Development section, find the TerraSilent/IcyFusion/Ethereal threads and see the unabridged instructions) then perhaps reflash the correct files in the correct sections. Flashing the TerraSilent kernel and these two roms will not break anything unless you've got a loose USB cord or a sketchy USB port and even then it takes a few seconds to find a new cable/port and flash them again.
SGP4isokay said:
I'm going to take a wild stab at this and say that you didn't flash TerraSilent as "PDA" in Odin. Unless something with your device goes horrifically wrong you shouldn't have to use "BOOTLOADER" or "PIT". To my knowledge we never use "PHONE" or "CSC" in Odin because of the nature of our devices(not being phones and all that). If you want to wait for a more knowledgeable person to respond they should have some more insight for you.
The camera works in IcyFusion and Ethereal. As far as I know everything works in both of those roms and this is from using IcyFusion for hours a day every single day.
Again, it sounds like you might want to retrace your steps, figure out what you did that deviated from Soultaker's instructions(or you can go to the Development section, find the TerraSilent/IcyFusion/Ethereal threads and see the unabridged instructions) then perhaps reflash the correct files in the correct sections. Flashing the TerraSilent kernel and these two roms will not break anything unless you've got a loose USB cord or a sketchy USB port and even then it takes a few seconds to find a new cable/port and flash them again.
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lol... but in reality I DID click PDA when flashing the kernel.. but thanks I will go back and retrace my steps and try to figure out what happened.
I agree on this as well, I was happy with only two different roms and only one kernal stayed the whole time- which was terrasilent.
The two roms were of course the ethereal rom and icyfusion rom. While ethereal is fast and great with battery life, it's extremely unstable when it comes to apps. Alot of apps just did not work like bandroid or Dead Space, and some apps only partially worked like my juice defender and weather apps would not pick up my gps for "location learning". Switched to Icy Fusion and all the apps I throw at it work. Juice Defender and my weather apps picked up my GPS immediately to an annoyance. While each person has their opinions of launchers, I found to really like the Holo Launcher in Icy Fusion alot more function, appealing, and eat less ram than the Go Launcher in Ethereal. While you of course can use any type of launcher you like, the "baked in" ones I found to be very different from each other and was a deciding factor.
It also doesn't help that Klin and hanthsolo have very different opinions in regards to sound quality. While some praise Beats Audio, it's really only a software mixer. Voodoo on the other hand has made a name for itself as it's a fantastic Hardware mixer that takes advantage of the Wolfson DAC inside the Galaxy Player 4.0. I'm much part of the field that would highly prefer a driver that improves the hardware inside the device instead of a software component that supposedly improves audio. Some can't avoid using the beats software mixer as it's the only way they can improve their audio like the Galaxy Player 5.0 users (who have the Yamaha DAC).
My point of my last paragraph is that In my opinion, the sole deciding factor if you like good audio quality is to go for a rom that caters to the Hardware mixer like Voodoo - Icy Fusion is the Rom that does this. If you so wish to do a combo with the beats software mixer, you have the OPTION to do so. Hanthesolo had an opinion that beats is the only way to go and forced it in his rom, not taking advantage of the Wolfson DAC in our Galaxy Player 4.0 at all. Installing the voodoo driver after caused weird bugs to come out of using the ethereal rom, like sometimes it just wouldn't enable unless you launched the driver app.
Hopefully with hanthesolo doing the 4.04 rom right now, he at least reads threads like these and just includes Voodoo Control inside that rom automatically by default since it takes advantage of the SGP 4.0 and he give us the OPTION to install beats if the user so wishes.
P.S. Beats Audio btw has a tendency to break video files and other things, so I highly do not recommend the ethereal rom because of this. Love hanthesolo's work, especially since he has a hand in the 4.04 rom for us, just can't recommend the ethereal rom from my experience. First post btw, long time lingerer (rooted Asus Transformer Prime with S Rom), just finally registered and posted here after using both roms (bricking once).
da1writer said:
I agree on this as well, I was happy with only two different roms and only one kernal stayed the whole time- which was terrasilent.
The two roms were of course the ethereal rom and icyfusion rom. While ethereal is fast and great with battery life, it's extremely unstable when it comes to apps. Alot of apps just did not work like bandroid or Dead Space, and some apps only partially worked like my juice defender and weather apps would not pick up my gps for "location learning". Switched to Icy Fusion and all the apps I throw at it work. Juice Defender and my weather apps picked up my GPS immediately to an annoyance. While each person has their opinions of launchers, I found to really like the Holo Launcher in Icy Fusion alot more function, appealing, and eat less ram than the Go Launcher in Ethereal. While you of course can use any type of launcher you like, the "baked in" ones I found to be very different from each other and was a deciding factor.
It also doesn't help that Klin and hanthsolo have very different opinions in regards to sound quality. While some praise Beats Audio, it's really only a software mixer. Voodoo on the other hand has made a name for itself as it's a fantastic Hardware mixer that takes advantage of the Wolfson DAC inside the Galaxy Player 4.0. I'm much part of the field that would highly prefer a driver that improves the hardware inside the device instead of a software component that supposedly improves audio. Some can't avoid using the beats software mixer as it's the only way they can improve their audio like the Galaxy Player 5.0 users (who have the Yamaha DAC).
My point of my last paragraph is that In my opinion, the sole deciding factor if you like good audio quality is to go for a rom that caters to the Hardware mixer like Voodoo - Icy Fusion is the Rom that does this. If you so wish to do a combo with the beats software mixer, you have the OPTION to do so. Hanthesolo had an opinion that beats is the only way to go and forced it in his rom, not taking advantage of the Wolfson DAC in our Galaxy Player 4.0 at all. Installing the voodoo driver after caused weird bugs to come out of using the ethereal rom, like sometimes it just wouldn't enable unless you launched the driver app.
Hopefully with hanthesolo doing the 4.04 rom right now, he at least reads threads like these and just includes Voodoo Control inside that rom automatically by default since it takes advantage of the SGP 4.0 and he give us the OPTION to install beats if the user so wishes.
P.S. Beats Audio btw has a tendency to break video files and other things, so I highly do not recommend the ethereal rom because of this. Love hanthesolo's work, especially since he has a hand in the 4.04 rom for us, just can't recommend the ethereal rom from my experience. First post btw, long time lingerer (rooted Asus Transformer Prime with S Rom), just finally registered and posted here after using both roms (bricking once).
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I think he took out the Beats audio mod in the last ver of his rom. I use Voodoo Control and have absolutely no problem with it. The market even updated it to the lastest and it works even better. I use DSP manager as well and still have no problem. Well it does have a weird bug in which when you choose your preset, it is supposed to show it on the graph but doesn't. But I believe you are right about it being unstable with some apps though. Mine sometimes freezes or just out right crashes and it sucks. But I think that has to do more with ram (that's why I switched to Holo Launcher too lol). I'm going to end up flashing back to IcyFusion probably today to see if I can get an improvement in the quadrant score. I think it may be sometime I'm doing wrong.
Voodoo
obscuresword said:
I think he took out the Beats audio mod in the last ver of his rom. I use Voodoo Control and have absolutely no problem with it. The market even updated it to the lastest and it works even better. I use DSP manager as well and still have no problem. But I believe you are right about it being unstable with some apps though. Mine sometimes freezes or just out right crashes and it sucks. But I think that has to do more with ram (that's why I switched to Holo Launcher too lol). I'm going to end up flashing back to IcyFusion probably today to see if I can get an improvement in the quadrant score. I think it may be sometime I'm doing wrong.
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I'm assuming that you downloaded Voodoo control from the Market itself, but its a paid app... can you put the apk file on this.. I would love to try it out.. I only have TerraSilent kernel installed right now..... now ROM installed.
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I'm assuming that you downloaded Voodoo control from the Market itself, but its a paid app... can you put the apk file on this.. I would love to try it out.. I only have TerraSilent kernel installed right now..... now ROM installed.
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? It's free though? Voodoo Control Plus is what cost moneys...
I would provide a link (forum won't let me post links yet, new user and all) but just check out the google play store and search voodoo, just grab the free version and if you like you can buy the Plus version to support the dev.
Yes, I do read these kinds if threads, it's nice to read some unopinoinated reviews of my ROM .
I did take out the voodoo APP in my ROM, as I was having issues getting it to work, but it can easily be optained from the market. I also may have taken out/fixed beats in the last version, so that it plays nicely with most things. Voodoo is integrated into the kernel itself, and beats mods the audio files in the ROM, so they shouldn't conflict with each other.
I personally find my ROM to be a bit less stable than stock, but most of the time it ran well, and pretty darn fast, IMO. For people who are having GPS issues, I have set GPS.conf (?) to search for satellites in the US/north america region, so you will have to mod /etc/GPS.conf to fix that. Of course, it's been a while since I have even looked at that ROM, so my recollection is a bit sketchy .
hanthesolo said:
Yes, I do read these kinds if threads, it's nice to read some unopinoinated reviews of my ROM .
I did take out the voodoo APP in my ROM, as I was having issues getting it to work, but it can easily be optained from the market. I also may have taken out/fixed beats in the last version, so that it plays nicely with most things. Voodoo is integrated into the kernel itself, and beats mods the audio files in the ROM, so they shouldn't conflict with each other.
I personally find my ROM to be a bit less stable than stock, but most of the time it ran well, and pretty darn fast, IMO. For people who are having GPS issues, I have set GPS.conf (?) to search for satellites in the US/north america region, so you will have to mod /etc/GPS.conf to fix that. Of course, it's been a while since I have even looked at that ROM, so my recollection is a bit sketchy .
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I agree, ethereal was fast/had better battery strengths (like 100mhz music) and switching back to icy fusion proved that while it (icy fusion) works better with apps (this is what i kinda meant about stability), your ethereal rom didn't eat ram like crazy like icy fusion. Right now, I'm trying to find ways to get more swap from terrasilent's kernal (or at least enable it since it's supposedly disabled) but I'm very new when it comes to scripts. zCache was easy to enable but freezes my device. I did mention though that the two best roms to get are yours and klins most recent work. Looking forward to the 4.04 rom though, I really want to jump to it but need at least your milestones you mentioned crossed first (stability aside). Voodoo please btw if you can get it working right!
P.S. hanthesolo, do you happen to have the script file to enable swap (or if you have time can you walk me through enabling the swap or upping the swap)? I keep trying with scriptmanager and the file is kicking out a very small footprint (bytes instead of kb), I don't think it's enabling. I had to resort to buying the Ram Expander app in the play store to use my 64gb [class 6] card as ram but it's having jittery results for me sometimes. I'd rather use the kernal assets than rely on a app.
I was using a ram bootser app (green paint brush looking app) but eventually the ram would just top off no matter what! Why is this like this btw - why does the ram fill up so badly on these roms? Maybe I'm just not use to low ram androids, tablet has 1gb so i never even worry about it ! I really hope the ics rom you are making with your team is friendly with the ram or has a high swap rate... You can pm me if this seems a bit too offtopic with my request in the above paragraph.
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I'm assuming that you downloaded Voodoo control from the Market itself, but its a paid app... can you put the apk file on this.. I would love to try it out.. I only have TerraSilent kernel installed right now..... now ROM installed.
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I was actually just looking at his thread and he said that beats mod is still installed lol. Then I read that it broke Flac so now I'm switching back to IcyFusion since I have some flac files, and don't feel like converting them lol. Actually I think Ethereal came with Voodoo Control (Voodoo Sound now), and all I did was extract the apk file and then installed it to the player. It also isn't a paid app only the plus ver is. You have to side load the apk file though since it doesn't show up in the market.
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I agree, ethereal was fast/had better battery strengths (like 100mhz music) and switching back to icy fusion proved that while it (icy fusion) works better with apps (this is what i kinda meant about stability), your ethereal rom didn't eat ram like crazy like icy fusion. Right now, I'm trying to find ways to get more swap from terrasilent's kernal (or at least enable it since it's supposedly disabled) but I'm very new when it comes to scripts. zCache was easy to enable but freezes my device. I did mention though that the two best roms to get are yours and klins most recent work. Looking forward to the 4.04 rom though, I really want to jump to it but need at least your milestones you mentioned crossed first (stability aside). Voodoo please btw if you can get it working right!
P.S. hanthesolo, do you happen to have the script file to enable swap (or if you have time can you walk me through enabling the swap or upping the swap)? I keep trying with scriptmanager and the file is kicking out a very small footprint (bytes instead of kb), I don't think it's enabling. I had to resort to buying the Ram Expander app in the play store to use my 64gb [class 6] card as ram but it's having jittery results for me sometimes. I'd rather use the kernal assets than rely on a app.
I was using a ram bootser app (green paint brush looking app) but eventually the ram would just top off no matter what! Why is this like this btw - why does the ram fill up so badly on these roms? Maybe I'm just not use to low ram androids, tablet has 1gb so i never even worry about it ! I really hope the ics rom you are making with your team is friendly with the ram or has a high swap rate... You can pm me if this seems a bit too offtopic with my request in the above paragraph.
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Yeah, RAM really is the achilles heel of this device, as we have the bare minimum to keep things running well (341 MB is user-availible), out of which only ~150 is actually usable for apps, as GB takes up the rest, which made that a MAJOR focus in my ROM. Hopefully now that we have ICS and with it it's awesome RAM management, we will not have as hard of a time keeping things balanced.
Believe me, I had tried every way possible to run modern/intensive games on it, but our ram physically limits us from actually running these games. I tried mass effect infiltrator a while ago, and I had to create a 100MB swapfile for it to run, and it ended taking up 100% of hard ram, and over 60% of the swapfile! Ran a lot better than I hoped though.
To run Zram, all you need to do is create a script (don't forget #!/system/bin/sh at the beginning), and enter these commands into the script:
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mkswap /dev/block/zram0
swapon /dev/block/zram0
To create a swapfile I forget the exact command, but you can easily look it up or use a swap app from the market .
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? It's free though? Voodoo Control Plus is what cost moneys...
I would provide a link (forum won't let me post links yet, new user and all) but just check out the google play store and search voodoo, just grab the free version and if you like you can buy the Plus version to support the dev.
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my bad.. I will look into this and download it!
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Yeah, RAM really is the achilles heel of this device, as we have the bare minimum to keep things running well (341 MB is user-availible), out of which only ~150 is actually usable for apps, as GB takes up the rest, which made that a MAJOR focus in my ROM. Hopefully now that we have ICS and with it it's awesome RAM management, we will not have as hard of a time keeping things balanced.
Believe me, I had tried every way possible to run modern/intensive games on it, but our ram physically limits us from actually running these games. I tried mass effect infiltrator a while ago, and I had to create a 100MB swapfile for it to run, and it ended taking up 100% of hard ram, and over 60% of the swapfile! Ran a lot better than I hoped though.
To run Zram, all you need to do is create a script (don't forget #!/system/bin/sh at the beginning), and enter these commands into the script:
Code:
mkswap /dev/block/zram0
swapon /dev/block/zram0
To create a swapfile I forget the exact command, but you can easily look it up or use a swap app from the market .
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handthesolo..... when will the camera start working in the ICS 4.0.4 ROM? I WILL download it after it starts to work.. cuz I use the camera often.. lol.. and bluetooth also doesnt work right? but watever... I can manage without bluetooth.. lol
I guess after the 4.0.4 ROM gets a bit more stable.. it will be the best one to flash.
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handthesolo..... when will the camera start working in the ICS 4.0.4 ROM? I WILL download it after it starts to work.. cuz I use the camera often.. lol.. and bluetooth also doesnt work right? but watever... I can manage without bluetooth.. lol
I guess after the 4.0.4 ROM gets a bit more stable.. it will be the best one to flash.
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The camera will probably be the last thing we fix, but we are quickly approaching a usable release. Believe me, we're working collectively about 100-150 hours a week so that you guys can have ICS on your neglected players. Just give us some time, and believe me, we will get there.
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The camera will probably be the last thing we fix, but we are quickly approaching a usable release. Believe me, we're working collectively about 100-150 hours a week so that you guys can have ICS on your neglected players. Just give us some time, and believe me, we will get there.
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ok sure!
btw.. u guys are working real fast... when will build 4 be up by?
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ok sure!
btw.. u guys are working real fast... when will build 4 be up by?
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No ETA's, but probably sometime next week, as I am planning on having HW acceleration fixed by the next release.
Hi guys!
After receiving a lot of request to support Galaxy Player lines I decided to buy a Galaxy S Wi-Fi 4.2 in order to provide a quality Voodoo Sound support for this device.
I don't know yet if I'll do the same for 4.0, 5.0 and previous device, with your help maybe − usually I prefer owning devices to be sure to provide good support and solid fully tested update.
I've just received it (it's not even rooted) I'm convinced its a great platform already.
Really accessible price, zippy system, reasonably good IPS display for the price providing an okay color rendering and of course a lovely WolfsonMicro audio codec: I like it!
Too bad my unit is defective because only one speaker of the two works so I'll have to return it, but I figured I could say hello to you guys
If you have questions and requests, I'm listening.
Sorry I don't have an ETA yet, sometimes I'm slow, but I know is that I'll do it right.
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Eww just noticed, a required kernel config option (KALLSYMS_ALL) is missing which make the port hazardous.
Maybe it will not be possible eventually.
So to be clear, its possible it won't happen. I don't know yet.
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Listening tests gave me the impression it doesn't sound as good as I expected from this codec so I didn't wait and measured the output.
THD and IMD+Noise levels are the highest I found on any WM8994 / WM1811 device so far, jitter is present too.
0.017% THD instead of 0.011%
0.019% IMD+Noise instead of 0.012%
.. and that's enough to sound off to my ears.. f*ck my life.
RMAA measurements for Galaxy S Player 4.2 Wi-fi
Nice, thanks for the support. I don't own a 4.2 but this is great. Hope you get them some nice sound improvement.
We do have some voodoo port for the 4.0 (as it have the WM8994) but I don't know if it's really it's true power that it's revealed here. It should have the same config because the WM1811 for the 2.6 kernel uses the same kernel drivers as the WM8994. Also thanks for your consideration! :good:
Also isn't it possible to add the KALLSYMS_ALL config option?
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We do have some voodoo port for the 4.0 (as it have the WM8994) but I don't know if it's really it's true power that it's revealed here. It should have the same config because the WM1811 for the 2.6 kernel uses the same kernel drivers as the WM8994. Also thanks for your consideration! :good:
Also isn't it possible to add the KALLSYMS_ALL config option?
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Well my long term project is a fully parametric EQ with some ambitious volume and dynamic range management stuff so I rewrote the whole thing from scratch in this purpose.
Its very complex and takes a hell lot of time but eh, why not.
However after listening tests and then measurement I'm not too sure the hardware implementation on this device is worth it and probably not the sound quality I expect for "Voodoo Sound".
So, I don't know.
For KALLSYMS_ALL, it's what allow to insert the driver in memory − at the right place.
As my target is standard firmware & kernel + root only, it compromises severely the feasibility.
Lots of doubts as you can see so far!
I'm still searching a way to root the 4.2 I have without flashing anything as I have to send it back because of the faulty speaker.
Rooting will allow me to prototype Voodoo Sound change and measure if the sound quality can reach requirements or not.
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Well my long term project is a fully parametric EQ with some ambitious volume and dynamic range management stuff so I rewrote the whole thing from scratch in this purpose.
Its very complex and takes a hell lot of time but eh, why not.
However after listening tests and then measurement I'm not too sure the hardware implementation on this device is worth it and probably not the sound quality I expect for "Voodoo Sound".
So, I don't know.
For KALLSYMS_ALL, it's what allow to insert the driver in memory − at the right place.
As my target is standard firmware & kernel + root only, it compromises severely the feasibility.
Lots of doubts as you can see so far!
I'm still searching a way to root the 4.2 I have without flashing anything as I have to send it back because of the faulty speaker.
Rooting will allow me to prototype Voodoo Sound change and measure if the sound quality can reach requirements or not.
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The project seems big indeed. I would speak french if I could (would be better) but I think in your case it would be good to flash a custom kernel, then root it and then reflash the stock one. Also just knowing, does the I9300 have voodoo sound with them? It could explain a bit of why the YP-GI1 is not that good with the sound (they do have the same chip as far as I can see).
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The project seems big indeed. I would speak french if I could (would be better) but I think in your case it would be good to flash a custom kernel, then root it and then reflash the stock one. Also just knowing, does the I9300 have voodoo sound with them? It could explain a bit of why the YP-GI1 is not that good with the sound (they do have the same chip as far as I can see).
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WM1811 is capable of excellent audio performance if the hardware implementation allows it, you can compare YP-GI1 measurements with Nexus 10 ones.
Flashing a custom kernel, hmm as there's no way to return to stock it won't do the trick for me :/
Rooting this device seems like a nightmare without flashing uncertain modified firmware and having no way to go back to stock.
I guess this is not a good platform for Voodoo Sound deployment and will probably just return the device, not matching the requirements in terms of audio quality, ease of rooting and driver maintenance ability.
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WM1811 is capable of excellent audio performance if the hardware implementation allows it, you can compare YP-GI1 measurements with Nexus 10 ones.
Flashing a custom kernel, hmm as there's no way to return to stock it won't do the trick for me :/
Rooting this device seems like a nightmare without flashing uncertain modified firmware and having no way to go back to stock.
I guess this is not a good platform for Voodoo Sound deployment and will probably just return the device, not matching the requirements in terms of audio quality, ease of rooting and driver maintenance ability.
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Yeah well it took some time just to make the device rooted soo... But I do think we have some potential here but because of the lack of devs working with this particular device, the task is a bit harder. You could try a port for the 4.0 the 4.2 port what do you think?
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Yeah well it took some time just to make the device rooted soo... But I do think we have some potential here but because of the lack of devs working with this particular device, the task is a bit harder. You could try a port for the 4.0 the 4.2 port what do you think?
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Yea too bad there's no full firmwares available.
Mine is an XXLC3.
My priority is audio quality so it's not really about porting code.
Isn't 4.0 discontinued?
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Yea too bad there's no full firmwares available.
Mine is an XXLC3.
My priority is audio quality so it's not really about porting code.
Isn't 4.0 discontinued?
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Ok I see, yeah as far as I know, the 4.0 is discountinued but I think you can find some at some shops in internet.
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Ok I see, yeah as far as I know, the 4.0 is discountinued but I think you can find some at some shops in internet.
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Okay, I looked for other easy rooting methods.
I could make a cf-root equivalent with 2 devices but I don't have 2 devices, and the device I have is faulty (dead speaker) so I can't modify it before returning it.
Audio quality doesn't seem promising enough, kernels symbols are missing.
I'll ask the seller a return & refund, sorry guys − project canceled so far: FAIL on each most important requirements with this device, I'm disappointed
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Okay, I looked for other easy rooting methods.
I could make a cf-root equivalent with 2 devices but I don't have 2 devices, and the device I have is faulty (dead speaker) so I can't modify it before returning it.
Audio quality doesn't seem promising enough, kernels symbols are missing.
I'll ask the seller a return & refund, sorry guys − project canceled so far: FAIL on each most important requirements with this device, I'm disappointed
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When you speak for 2 devices, you speak about the 4.0 and the 4.2? If yes the 4.0 can even be rooted with superoneclick (if it's not 2.3.7) If it is, just flash a custom kernel and it should be good (it's a france rom and kernel so if you want to come back, you should have no problem).
Anyway, good luck. :good:
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When you speak for 2 devices, you speak about the 4.0 and the 4.2? If yes the 4.0 can even be rooted with superoneclick (if it's not 2.3.7) If it is, just flash a custom kernel and it should be good (it's a france rom and kernel so if you want to come back, you should have no problem).
Anyway, good luck. :good:
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Concretely, I would have need 2 4.2 devices.
Rooting first one with /system to dump the kernel, rooting the second one with a root-injected stock kernel to dump original system and restore it on the first device.
This method would allow to build a stock+root kernel which is my preferred rooting method if no exploit is available.
4.2 is not vulnerable to exploits currently in town.
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Concretely, I would have need 2 4.2 devices.
Rooting first one with /system to dump the kernel, rooting the second one with a root-injected stock kernel to dump original system and restore it on the first device.
This method would allow to build a stock+root kernel which is my preferred rooting method if no exploit is available.
4.2 is not vulnerable to exploits currently in town.
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This was the method originally made to root the 4.2, except that they've not made the root-injected kernel (like the cf-root method).
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This was the method originally made to root the 4.2, except that they've not made the root-injected kernel (like the cf-root method).
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Yes I'm sure.
However only the US ROM is available around and breaking Wi-fi function for many makes it an unreliable method, stock+kernel would probably be better.
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Yes I'm sure.
However only the US ROM is available around and breaking Wi-fi function for many makes it an unreliable method, stock+kernel would probably be better.
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Well why don't you try it?
It's a shame to see that this is cancelled. However, what about the 4.2's audio is so intriguing? Maybe there'll be more luck with the other GP variants. Thanks for trying this out, our dev community is pretty small and I always get a great feeling when I see XDA celebrities like supercurio and AdamOutler on this forum. P.S. You wrote RootKepper in your signature instead of RootKeeper. Just pointing that out.
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Yea too bad there's no full firmwares available.
Mine is an XXLC3.
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I have a Galaxy S Wi-Fi 4.2 XET (Hungarian), but setting it to Italy I could update the firmware throught Odin and save it.
Originally I had XXLC3, updated to XXLF1
You can find this full firmware here: [ROM][STOCK] Samsung Galaxy S 4.2 WIFI YP-GI1CW ->CODE GI1XXLF1
With the full firmware available, I rooted it simply unpacking factoryfs.img using sgs2toext4 and ext4_utils, injecting SU binary + SuperSU and after repack it, I made a tarball and flashed it throught Odin.
After that I've installed from GP the busybox installer.
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Yes I'm sure.
However only the US ROM is available around and breaking Wi-fi function for many makes it an unreliable method, stock+kernel would probably be better.
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Result: SGP 4.2 rooted without flashing kernel with only one device and no problem with wifi.
Hope this could help, and it isn't too late
AW: [CANCELLED] Voodoo Sound for Galaxy S Wi-fi 4.2
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I have a Galaxy S Wi-Fi 4.2 XET (Hungarian), but setting it to Italy I could update the firmware throught Odin and save it.
Originally I had XXLC3, updated to XXLF1
You can find this full firmware here: [ROM][STOCK] Samsung Galaxy S 4.2 WIFI YP-GI1CW ->CODE GI1XXLF1
With the full firmware available, I rooted it simply unpacking factoryfs.img using sgs2toext4 and ext4_utils, injecting SU binary + SuperSU and after repack it, I made a tarball and flashed it throught Odin.
After that I've installed from GP the busybox installer.
Result: SGP 4.2 rooted without flashing kernel with only one device and no problem with wifi.
Hope this could help, and it isn't too late
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Can you share your rooted lf1 tar? Thanks!
Gesendet von meinem Nexus S mit Tapatalk 2
ChaosChris said:
Can you share your rooted lf1 tar? Thanks!
Gesendet von meinem Nexus S mit Tapatalk 2
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2110593
Hey everybody.
Just wanted to point out a fact about xLoud and the terrible overuse on recent ROMs/Kernels from people that have no sense of audio quality and clarity, or people that don't actualy know what a DSP is, what it can do, what it can't do.
So what is xLoud? What does it promise to do and what does it really do?
So xLoud apparently is a "technology" that can offer you "magically" more audio volume to your smartphone without changing anything to your phone as a hardware.
You know, when you have studied music technology and you know how physics and audio hardware works, reading to a phrase like this one, you know that something very fishy is going on. Reading the technology's description word by word you know that such thing is impossible to happen in real life.
So what xLoud really does to your smartphone's audio? Does it really work or it's just another thing that gives empty promises?
Breaking down xLoud:
So what xLoud really does is think how our ear and brain percieves audio and how they can take advantage of it to (obviously) fake a higher volume sound. So their idea is to take advantage of the fact that our ear has sensitivity to mid range frequencies and base everything around that. OK that's good but how can you take advantage of such thing to make a hardware perform a higher volume sound than what it does? Easy, it's called linear audio dynamic range compression. So what they do is they steal dynamics from the frequency ranges our ear is less sensitive to them and then assign the extra dynamic range to your effect. So they take the extra space and they over compress (or better over limmit) the audio to a point what you hear is simply a panic of noises since there is no dynamic range between the most loud part of a sound/track (like a kick) to the least busy part of the sound/track (a whisper) and make everything sound super-loud, avoiding the fact that our ear has also the sensitivity of dynamic range to percieve and understand audio hence they render the result amataurish, ugly, clipping and completely unrecognisable. Anyone that knows how Audition/Cool edit works can replicate the same effect very simply by opening a track of their desire then go to Effects->Amplitude and Compression->Tube-Modeled Compressor and apply these settings->
thresh: -30.db
gain:18db
ratio:12.0:1
attack: 1.0ms
release: 20ms
Then press OK and listen to the result. Sounds familiar? Doesn't it kill the track? Does it sound louder? No? So then why do you keep using it?
Also on top of that, xLoud has some bad rough edges. Because of the fact that the dynamic compressor is always on, it affects the volume levels behavior of your phone. So turning lower the level seems a bit unresponsive or the audio is not as turned down as you'd expect it to be. Also go near the speaker and start to turn lower the volume. You can hear the hiss going louder and louder as you go nearer to the silent mode. That's because the noise ratio gets raised everytime the compressor tries to higher the volume. But the worst bug of xLoud is that technicaly your phone can never-ever-ever and under no cirscumstances enter a pure silent mode. Nomatter what, your phone will always perform sounds, even if that means a very low level hiss/static sound, but there are even occasions that the compressor will take so high the peak signal that it will leak over the throttling effect of silent mode and you will be able to hear some sounds if you are near your phone's speaker.
So my point was alot of people know here that Beats is more or less a placebo like Bravia Engine is but none of these two seem to harm the quality factors they touch but Xloud on the contrary is the worst thing that can happen to your ROM/Kernel and I felt like it was about time you should know about it. Not only it is NOT loud, not only it is NOT nice, not only it's super inaccurate, but it can be proven dangerous to the hardware of your phone and nobody of the ROM developers does the mearest effort to warn their users about it because themselfs have no idea what this tool really does. I hope my post gives help to people and I also hope that there is a way I can completely get rid of xLoud and anything related to it on roms that are on XDA since just removing the apks and the lines on build.prop are proven to not be enough to make me get rid of that terrible nightmare called xLoud and seems the problem goes deep on the kernels that use it.
Many thanx for reading
Very thorough and well explained. I always thought something was fishy but never tried xloud. I thought they were changing voltage or something that would push more power to the output to increase volume and was afraid of hardware damage. Plus, I'm well aware of audio clipping when you push the levels too high.
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I want developers to offer a way to really get rid of it. Being forced to use it is just too much, it's so much to a point whatever a ROM/kernel will offer to the actual phone or even do super miracles with a super-weak and outdated phone, xLoud is enough to ruin completely the ROM making it trash. I mean ok, you are the developer and you do whatever you want with your ROM/Kernel but you don't even do the job telling people what this thing does or even give the option to disable it completely and then you expect people to respect you or somethin'? I mean seriously? There's a terrible analogy here. My point is, I could make a tiny application that converts your ringtone to a soundfile that will sound the same way it sounds when you integrate to your system xLoud. Why am I forced to use something only a deaf would use? That's a bit rude and offensive to the side of people that are going to use ROMs out of this site. Oh and please, don't start a personal-opinion and personal-taste game here, I provided enough info why it's not a matter of any of those.
Interesting, are you mostly pointing out that xLoud degrades quality?
Personally, I love xLoud, but maybe because I have different wants /needs from the sound on my phone than you. I do not have great hearing but I am not deaf either, but I find the sound coming from the Evo 3D's speaker inadequate. I often can't hear it. Ring tone and alarm /reminder volume is too low and I found myself not watching the YouTube video because I had the speaker to my ear. With xLoud, I actually turn the volume down for some uses. That said, I almost never use an external sound source be it headphones or a plug in boosted speaker. I am also not big on music. I do enjoy music, but for me it is primarily background noise and not a priority. In my car I sometimes listen to music, but mostly I listen to sports talk radio.
I guess what I am getting at/asking is, is your disdain for xLoud primarily related to audio quality? For me, quality isn't important, hearing my phone ring from across the room, for example, is. XLoud for me wouldn't be necessary with a phone with a decent speaker, but is all I know that makes this phones speaker doable. Do you know of any alternatives for my needs? I get what you are saying to an extent, but don't fully understand. You say xLoud doesn't make the sound output any louder, but it sure sounds louder to me. If it's a trick to make the ear think it is louder, Idk, it sure works for me.
Again, I am not trying to argue, nor debate the accuracy of what you wrote. I am certain that you are correct, I mostly wonder your thoughts of xLoud use for my wants and or alternatives.
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There's an extended discussion about audio quality on a smartphone in this thread and xloud isn't even mentioned. It's more about the digital to audio converter used and how to tweak that for the cleanest sound, which is not necessarily the most realistic. Audio is recorded with microphones but heard with our ears so until someone figures out a way to record and playback using an individual's nervous system it will never be totally realistic and there will always be some distortion versus a live performance.
Since one's preference for equalization depends heavily on age, due to hearing loss, and musical preference, such as classical versus rock, there is no right or wrong for shaping the audio coming from our phones. All recorded music is distorted in some way and it comes down to a personal preference on how much and what kind of tailoring each person prefers. Although most people don't care for the distortion caused by clipping it seems that based on the sound levels coming from some vehicles on the road today a few prefer volume over anything else.
I understand that you are asking for developers to not modify the audio equalization in their base ROM but HTC already does that with beats for Sense based ROM's in their current models. Even an AOSP based ROM without custom tweaks is going to depend on the audio profiles that the developers chose. You could use the digital audio output and an external DAC to avoid that customization but most users can't be bothered with that. There are AOSP based ROM's that don't include any equalization beyond what the developers included and your best bet may be to try those if you really want minimal equalization.
ramjet73
Most of the answers were pretty expected. People, dynamic range compression = leap gap degradation in quality. All record music is mastered by professionals and is done with expensive hardware/software and it is done with reference speakers, one of them is speakers being used in mobile phones, so you don't need to rape again the quality of the audio. The result of nearly zeroing dynamic range of audio is not higher volume, it's a noisier/busier audio track, that's all. Ther are other workarounds that could be done but xLoud is the worst thing that can happen to a mobile phone. Personaly, I never had a problem with the speaker of my phone at all. My point is xLoud alone does not do what you think it does because of the way our perception of hearing works, the result of you being able to hear your phone on a loud area is because of something else, not xLoud. Our ear is less possible to "understand" a change in the background when something has no dynamics (the case of xLoud) hence the effect of masking (check wikipedia) so if you make a constant noise, your brain will "cancel" the audio out. Also none of the HTC phones use Beats Audio for anything non-headphone related and even then you can turn it off. I felt a leap gap degradation in audio quality when I upgraded from GB stock to custom ICS ROMs because I recognize the thing that is being done when I hear the audio from the speakers and I can't help but remember my teachers saying " you hear that, NEVER do it". Also since we are talking about HTC EVO 3D I am forced to use a Sense 3/3.6 ROM if I want to keep 3D functionality so my choices are limmited. Developers should offer the option to completely disable xLoud (like Sony does anyway), I am OK with HTC's stock audio and I'm sure it's not just me. Forcing people to use it is equal to removing bloatware from a branded ROM to put back your own bloatware. There are alot of people who don't like Beats and they don't use it. Why shouldn't we have the same option for xLoud?
No one is forcing you to use it. Some people like xloud, i dont......so I disable it......All you have to do to turn off xloud is either freeze or uninstall the AudioEffectsService.apk through titanium backup. Doing so completely disables xloud including any background services related. End of story.
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No one is forcing you to use it. Some people like xloud, i dont......so I disable it......All you have to do to turn off xloud is either freeze or uninstall the AudioEffectsService.apk through titanium backup. Doing so completely disables xloud including any background services related. End of story.
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No, seriously I wouldn't complain if what you said did the work. Infact I know that method and I did it and then I found out that it doesn't even do half the job. It looks like recently the function or something is built deep inside the kernel and since there is no menu to disable it or something, it will just stay forever active and the phone will just be unaware. It's not like how you would disable it on a Sony phone that comes prebuild with the function and killing the apk and the lines on the build.prop would do the job there's more stuff involved here that I can't control without having access to the kernel source. Seems like the same issue happens once you put bravia engine (or something that the mod depends on it on your kernel) too but that doesn't really bother me but there might be people that will complain in the future.
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No, seriously I wouldn't complain if what you said did the work. Infact I know that method and I did it and then I found out that it doesn't even do half the job. It looks like recently the function or something is built deep inside the kernel and since there is no menu to disable it or something, it will just stay forever active and the phone will just be unaware.
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Huh?
There's no way that xloud is built into the kernel of an HTC phone. Maybe beats, but not xloud. As I said previously, there will always be some sort of distortion in the audio from a smartphone as it's not really intended to be an audiophile's device. You need to get a dedicated audio player if that's what you want.
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You seem to think you already know how people are going reply and that we don't appreciate the message you are trying to convey. So why did you take the time to write this thread, then read and respond to our replies? If you already know, don't waste forum space.
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Huh?
There's no way that xloud is built into the kernel of an HTC phone. Maybe beats, but not xloud. As I said previously, there will always be some sort of distortion in the audio from a smartphone as it's not really intended to be an audiophile's device. You need to get a dedicated audio player if that's what you want.
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It's not the case. You can clearly see in the changelogs of the kernels here that their is something like an xLoud dependecy or something added. In stock Gingerbread there's nothing wrong, nothing raising the bias of the audio, same goes with stock ICS. There's no clipping/tight dynamics on these versions because there is nothing HTC does to the audio DSP-effect-wise that will raise the dynamics above the headroom the hardware can output. HTC leaves the audio to pass-through untouched. It's just all the ICS based roms that use xLoud that have the issue of "forced" dynamics and eventualy clipping that shouldn't happen in normal conditions.
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You seem to think you already know how people are going reply and that we don't appreciate the message you are trying to convey. So why did you take the time to write this thread, then read and respond to our replies? If you already know, don't waste forum space.
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Sorry if I sounded like this, I apologize if I offended anybody, but my actual intention was to convince that, before I would do a whole post explaining what the tool does and attempt to say that some people are trusting blindly everything "big" they hear, be sure that I won't be wasting time of people who will make the effort reading. Also the fact that I have a degree in Audio Engineering means that I know what I'm talking about when I say it's not a personal preference thing and that it's not what you think it is. Plus I made sure before people would suggest me to do things things on a user like me and my current post count, I'd go a step further and gather knowledge that would help me trying to deal with the issue myself. I've done the tedious work of reading one by one every page of the most active ROMs here and I've gone through reading all posts that give directions on how to disable xLoud and none helped until I realised that in order to implement in on a device that does not come prebuilt with it you need to do some modifications deeper than just the user-space. I mean, my point is, is it really so hard to have a switch that enables/disables the function?
With that being said, I want to make sure everybody know that I'm very greatful to developers that do the tedious work to work for the device and to people that do their best to help others in the forum, I honestly am, but it's one of those momments I am like, "what the hell was/were he/they thinking?".
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It's not the case. You can clearly see in the changelogs of the kernels here that their is something like an xLoud dependecy or something added.
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Your arguments are getting irrational now if you are saying that kernels designed for the Evo 3D have specific modifications for xloud. If you are talking about any shaping of audio being done in the kernel, that's a much broader subject than what you started with in your OP and I think you will have a hard time getting much support in these forums for the argument that there should be no audio changes from the stock ROM in the kernel or anywhere else.
Good luck with your campaign because I think that idea will fall on deaf ears.
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No, seriously I wouldn't complain if what you said did the work. Infact I know that method and I did it and then I found out that it doesn't even do half the job. It looks like recently the function or something is built deep inside the kernel and since there is no menu to disable it or something, it will just stay forever active and the phone will just be unaware. It's not like how you would disable it on a Sony phone that comes prebuild with the function and killing the apk and the lines on the build.prop would do the job there's more stuff involved here that I can't control without having access to the kernel source. Seems like the same issue happens once you put bravia engine (or something that the mod depends on it on your kernel) too but that doesn't really bother me but there might be people that will complain in the future.
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if you install Sony walkman you can disable it these mods are just files take them out and switch them out for stock
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Good luck with your campaign because I think that idea will fall on deaf ears.
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I see what you did there.
Everything on this site is FREE and at your own risk!
With that said, you have a choice to flash or install. Nobody is forcing you or I to flash anything!
VIRGIN KLM, I'm not defending xloud here BUT you said what you had to say and everyone who read it NOW knows!
Is that not enough?
I know you said something about getting XDA to remove it from the site BUT here's a little wisdom for you.....
Unless the app, mod, rom or the product in general is bricking devices or just malicious in general......I highly doubt that XDA will remove it JUST because it doesn't work.
There are plenty of things on XDA that don't work as they should BUT that's just the beauty of it all! If you find something that doesn't work, instead of acting like a whistleblower then why not fix it?
It sounds like you know what you're talking about and could be a very good asset to the xLoud guys....so WHY NOT help them out and fix the mod?
If you continue on with this rant you started, it will only throw mud on your argument and make you look like you're just jealous and you're working for a rival of xLoud.
Just my 2 cents.....
I'm finding this thread to be very informative. Thanks to Virgin KLM for starting it and laying down some knowledge.
I don't have any Audio Engineering degrees, but I do have 13 years experience running sound for live events and have 33 years experience with my ears . The 3D sounds pretty bad all around in my opinion. I've heard some pretty good sound systems and this ain't it. At least the mods bring the sound up to a decent level. But I still only run ROMs where the eq apps like DSP Manager actually work. I have to tweak the sound myself.
The thing about using cell phone reference speakers when mixing tracks is that I bet no one said, "Let's see how this sounds on the Evo 3D." Maybe an iPhone.
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Your arguments are getting irrational now if you are saying that kernels designed for the Evo 3D have specific modifications for xloud. If you are talking about any shaping of audio being done in the kernel, that's a much broader subject than what you started with in your OP and I think you will have a hard time getting much support in these forums for the argument that there should be no audio changes from the stock ROM in the kernel or anywhere else.
Good luck with your campaign because I think that idea will fall on deaf ears.
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There is no campaign here, it's just my two cents to people that believe that they are improving audio when in reality they don't and they do the common mistakes you can see over and over on the internet and I'm just trying to help to iron out myths and missunderstandings of what those "improvements" do and what not, possibly not as good as I thought I would but apparently I do. It looks like the kernels pretty like double the effect or contribute to the whole DSP processing in some way or another but it's way too biased, which now seems like audio actually passes through 2 stages of dynamics compression, one from the kernel and one more from the phone's audio manager as a software side effectively killing any possibility to get rid of it simply rendering impossible to get rid of that supertight-compression effect.
Anyone that questions what I said above is free to go back to Gingebread stock with stock kernel and hear a ringtone on the ringtone settings at full volume and compare that to their xLoud featured ROM.
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It won't affect the system related audio which is basicaly what annoys me the most, but I was talking in general why forced xLoud is a bad idea.
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Everything on this site is FREE and at your own risk!
With that said, you have a choice to flash or install. Nobody is forcing you or I to flash anything!
VIRGIN KLM, I'm not defending xloud here BUT you said what you had to say and everyone who read it NOW knows!
Is that not enough?
I know you said something about getting XDA to remove it from the site BUT here's a little wisdom for you.....
Unless the app, mod, rom or the product in general is bricking devices or just malicious in general......I highly doubt that XDA will remove it JUST because it doesn't work.
There are plenty of things on XDA that don't work as they should BUT that's just the beauty of it all! If you find something that doesn't work, instead of acting like a whistleblower then why not fix it?
It sounds like you know what you're talking about and could be a very good asset to the xLoud guys....so WHY NOT help them out and fix the mod?
If you continue on with this rant you started, it will only throw mud on your argument and make you look like you're just jealous and you're working for a rival of xLoud.
Just my 2 cents.....
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That's not my point at all. I simply said that it would be nice and kind if there was an EFFECTIVE way to leave unmodified the audio as HTC calibrates it with professional equipment and I do trust them in that aspect and they really don't need anything messed with that side of the phone. Just a simple Turn ON-OFF function, I mean is it such a big deal? Oh and I don't demand anything, it's a suggestion and I tried to elaborate why I give such suggestion.
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I'm finding this thread to be very informative. Thanks to Virgin KLM for starting it and laying down some knowledge.
I don't have any Audio Engineering degrees, but I do have 13 years experience running sound for live events and have 33 years experience with my ears . The 3D sounds pretty bad all around in my opinion. I've heard some pretty good sound systems and this ain't it. At least the mods bring the sound up to a decent level. But I still only run ROMs where the eq apps like DSP Manager actually work. I have to tweak the sound myself.
The thing about using cell phone reference speakers when mixing tracks is that I bet no one said, "Let's see how this sounds on the Evo 3D." Maybe an iPhone.
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Done a breakdown myself. At the mastering studio I've been working they have 3-4 random phones when they master an Album as reference speakers. Also, I bet it's not something you hear the first time in your life, HTC and Sony phones have pretty like the best quality AD-DA converters in the mobile phone industry, and iPhones use the same ones as iPods which is famous for being one of the cheapest and worst quality out there, but that's an audiophile thing and it's not really worth mentioning. The fact that when you over compress dynamics in an audio output is a bad idea does not take an audiophile to understand that, I provided a whole tutorial how to archieve the result and hear yourself what you're missing.
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Anyone that questions what I said above is free to go back to Gingebread stock with stock kernel and hear a ringtone on the ringtone settings at full volume and compare that to their xLoud featured ROM.
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I have done that. Additionally, the ROM I currently use does not have xLoud until I add it with AC!D. All that I can say is, I could care less about superior audio quality. I do however, care about being able to hear my ring tone from across the room and over the tv. Without xLoud the volume of the sound is much lower than after I add it. After xLoud being added, I turn the volume down on some apps. With xLoud I can hear YouTube and watch the video at the same time. I don't mind a quality loss (to a degree) for increased sound. The speaker in the 3D is horrendous, I need xLoud to enjoy my phone.
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I have done that. Additionally, the ROM I currently use does not have xLoud until I add it with AC!D. All that I can say is, I could care less about superior audio quality. I do however, care about being able to hear my ring tone from across the room and over the tv. Without xLoud the volume of the sound is much lower than after I add it. After xLoud being added, I turn the volume down on some apps. With xLoud I can hear YouTube and watch the video at the same time. I don't mind a quality loss (to a degree) for increased sound. The speaker in the 3D is horrendous, I need xLoud to enjoy my phone.
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What's the ROM you're using?
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What's the ROM you're using?
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P.A.C.Man 4.2.2 currently. But it has been true on every ROM I have used until being introduced to xLoud on Viper3D.
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If so, I was just curious as to everyones setup. I've been experimenting but haven't been able to find a setting that REALLY worked for me. Have any of you had luck? If so, what were your settings, and what type of music was it for? Setups that were built for the all around are welcomed, as well, naturally
I'm head of the V4A Profiles
Come here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2324454
My Profiles is perfect for this device with beats audio disabled.
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I use V4A , i have my profile set up for Rock / Dubstep. It's a really nice bass, when you amplify 50hz with 13db with pure bass enabled & custom eq.
I like lower frequencies bass .
Using it on AOSP+ rom, I use my setup for every type of music....will post it in around 30 mins....
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Using it on AOSP+ rom, I use my setup for every type of music....will post it in around 30 mins....
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I eagerly await your setup! I have two right now, myself. One for my "good" set of earphones (higher end of the bose lineup that I got for free) and another setup for the ones I use when I'm riding my motorcycle. The second set is what's giving me problems. Those things are so sensitive to bass that it's not even funny. I'm having a hard time finding a good balance with that set...
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I eagerly await your setup! I have two right now, myself. One for my "good" set of earphones (higher end of the bose lineup that I got for free) and another setup for the ones I use when I'm riding my motorcycle. The second set is what's giving me problems. Those things are so sensitive to bass that it's not even funny. I'm having a hard time finding a good balance with that set...
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Oops....sorry, my bad, I forgot about it, will post em tomorow (cause my battery is 100% dead atm) also if you don't mind can you leave me a pm in 15h in case I forgot (thats when I come back from school) and I think I should tell you I am on android 4.3 AOSP+ also do you also want me to upload the irs I use? (for speakers I use the hox beats one and for headset I use the beats+urbeats one, also I mostly use only the beats headset that came with the device.....?
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Oops....sorry, my bad, I forgot about it, will post em tomorow (cause my battery is 100% dead atm) also if you don't mind can you leave me a pm in 15h in case I forgot (thats when I come back from school) and I think I should tell you I am on android 4.3 AOSP+ also do you also want me to upload the irs I use? (for speakers I use the hox beats one and for headset I use the beats+urbeats one, also I mostly use only the beats headset that came with the device.....?
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Thanks for the profile. What kind of head/ear phones was the profile set up with?
For some reason the IRS profiles don't seem to do anything when I enable them. I have them in the right folder and am able to see all of them and select them, but nothing happens when I do. Did you ever have that problem?
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Thanks for the profile. What kind of head/ear phones was the profile set up with?
For some reason the IRS profiles don't seem to do anything when I enable them. I have them in the right folder and am able to see all of them and select them, but nothing happens when I do. Did you ever have that problem?
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Never had that problem, irs changes are very easy to hear for me, also the headset one was set up for the beats headset that came with the phone
I know this device is old.. its the only one I have right now and have no clue if i'd ever get the money to upgrade.. just curious how many people still check this forum or if i'm one of the only few...
Also if you are a typical visitor.. maybe post up so I can get to know this Note II community.
Thanks!
interesting.. 10 views already and no votes or posts... lol..
i see it has 23 views.. and 2 responses. Great! so there is still some life here. Are any developers still here?
I still use this device for gaming only. I play Underworld Empire via WiFi/mobile hotspot. Have multiple toons in the games . It is rooted and running TeamOctos MM weekly build rom.
I use my old Note II as a training device for my 6 year old. The thing is a tank.
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thanks guys for responses! So i'm guessing there aren't anymore developers still working on this phone?
Not sure if there is any that hangs around this forum. TeamOctos has their rom on their own website, I'm glad they still make weekly builds for this phone. Runs pretty smoothly for me.
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Not sure if there is any that hangs around this forum. TeamOctos has their rom on their own website, I'm glad they still make weekly builds for this phone. Runs pretty smoothly for me.
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First Off, thanks for the response!
Second, Yeah i would love to go with a newer weekly build and version of android.. .. but I just really like to have screen options to turn screen off, bring up power menu, and have options for screenshot and screen record. I had forgotten about the power of XPosed Framework ( which R3D utilizes ) and perhaps that could help make OCTos more useful for me..
I also do like some of the touchwiz features that I can use with the S-Pen.. so i'm torn.. LOL
I have xposed installed along with TeamOctos, gravity box mm module installed. Since TeamOctos rom have most of the features, I scantily use the gravity box options. Don't wanna break anything lol. I find the s-pen was more a gimmick than anything else. The capacitive buttons don't work with the pen, have to manually press with finger (this was fixed with the Note 3, which I sold). Also there are 3rd party apps that can do just about the same as the Samsung spen apps.
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I have xposed installed along with TeamOctos, gravity box mm module installed. Since TeamOctos rom have most of the features, I scantily use the gravity box options. Don't wanna break anything lol. I find the s-pen was more a gimmick than anything else. The capacitive buttons don't work with the pen, have to manually press with finger (this was fixed with the Note 3, which I sold). Also there are 3rd party apps that can do just about the same as the Samsung spen apps.
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yeah i was using that for a little bit.. but I noticed the overall sound volume seemed to be lower... when I went back to 4.4.2 , i could really hear the difference... i'm not sure if that is a AOSP issue or what.. do you notice it?
Yes unfortunately it is because of AOSP. I remember having to manually editing a mixer.xml file to increase the volume but still wasn't close to the sound level of TW rom. I got use to the low lvls after a while.
Now I don't use it as my daily driver so sound isn't really an issue anymore. Performance and battery life is what I'm looking for so it's ideal.
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Yes unfortunately it is because of AOSP. I remember having to manually editing a mixer.xml file to increase the volume but still wasn't close to the sound level of TW rom. I got use to the low lvls after a while.
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Ahh ok thank you. that makes me feel a lot better to know it wasn't just me that noticed it and that it wasn't directly related to my phone or my flash status...
so I guess its not an easy fix or even possible since it wasn't addressed when this phone was still being developed... darn..
I really don't recall what the reasoning was, if it was due to drivers or software. It can be remedied by editing the sound file, I believe someone has done it with this phone. Do a post search for low sound or mixer.xml on here.
Haha not trying to sell AOSP roms or anything but I find them more useful with their options. Isn't that the main reason people use Android phones, for their customization?
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I really don't recall what the reasoning was, if it was due to drivers or software. It can be remedied by editing the sound file, I believe someone has done it with this phone. Do a post search for low sound or mixer.xml on here.
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i'll check it out. thanks!
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Haha not trying to sell AOSP roms or anything but I find them more useful with their options. Isn't that the main reason people use Android phones, for their customization?
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HA yes.. but i guess for those of us that don't have multiple phones to try out different ROMs and updates :silly: constantly have to find the happy medium between stability, functionality and customization.. Right now i'm gonna stick with TW 4.4.2 (at least on my Note II) since I need to have these things on my phone for me to use it as a daily driver:
1. Stable (won't freeze up / random reboots / random power offs / FC'ers)
2. Camera - Camera must be able to take great photos (at least as good as the physical camera is)
3. Sound - Must have great sounding audio for voice calls / speakerphone / ringtones and for media watching
4. Functional - Must be able to not miss calls / notifications or messages and connect to data for internet
5. Battery - Battery must be decent to good.. want it to be able to last at least 1 day of medium to heavy use..
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Yes unfortunately it is because of AOSP. I remember having to manually editing a mixer.xml file to increase the volume but still wasn't close to the sound level of TW rom. I got use to the low lvls after a while.
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Hey.. I just flashed back to OCTos, but i can't find the Mixer_paths.xml in the System/ETC folder... can you help?
Thanks!
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Hey.. I just flashed back to OCTos, but i can't find the Mixer_paths.xml in the System/ETC folder... can you help?
Thanks!
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You are correct there. I could not find it either myself. I wonder if TeamOctos even included it in their build for this phone. I checked with another phone of mine (LG G3) thats running the same ROM. It has the mixer_paths.xml in the folder system/ETC. May have to contact them to find out why... Sorry, like I've mentioned, I don't use my Note II as a daily driver so haven't had the need to increase the sound levels. I wonder if its possible to just copy the file from another ROM?
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You are correct there. I could not find it either myself. I wonder if TeamOctos even included it in their build for this phone. I checked with another phone of mine (LG G3) thats running the same ROM. It has the mixer_paths.xml in the folder system/ETC. May have to contact them to find out why... Sorry, like I've mentioned, I don't use my Note II as a daily driver so haven't had the need to increase the sound levels. I wonder if its possible to just copy the file from another ROM?
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yeah i thought about that but nervous with all that modifications either messing something up or not even getting it as loud as TW..
right now i think ill stay with a 4.4.2 rom and use xposed to get the features i like. do wish i had 6.0 but have to be happy with what i got. ?
Sorry I couldn't have been more helpful. Hope things will look up for you and that you may be able to afford a newer phone. This years phone releases haven't been all the great, maybe next year will see some really great improvements. The biggest thing is the battery life in most cell phones nowadays (unless you have removable option). Manufacturers will never give you a better battery/longer life because they want consumers to keep buying newer phones. Batteries usually only have a lifetime of about ~1.5 years, the more you charge, the less it will hold a charge. Forces people to buy new phones
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Sorry I couldn't have been more helpful. Hope things will look up for you and that you may be able to afford a newer phone. This years phone releases haven't been all the great, maybe next year will see some really great improvements. The biggest thing is the battery life in most cell phones nowadays (unless you have removable option). Manufacturers will never give you a better battery/longer life because they want consumers to keep buying newer phones. Batteries usually only have a lifetime of about ~1.5 years, the more you charge, the less it will hold a charge. Forces people to buy new phones
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yeah true.. and for me its difficult because i'm fairly picky with what I want in the phone... seems like i haven't actually found a "perfect" one yet... several will have 80 to 90% but some will be missing 1 major thing i want.. and then i have to decide how important that is... So far from all the phones i had.. I think my Nexus 5 would probably me my all time favorite... of course I would have preferred an AMOLED display, front facing speakers and better cameras... but again.. had to pick and choose... the HTC 10 was amazing as well.. but I did have some issues with my LTE signal dropping.. so not sure if it was a fluke or because of my Total Wireless service? maybe the ROM.. idk.. LOL
Hmm favorite all time, may have to go with my Note 3 til I sold it. Had it with Verizon, unfortunately the bootloader was locked and when I updated to Jasmine rom, screwed up and lost root. It was a great phone, s pen is so useful, removable battery, amoled display, SD card slot. Camera was alright, my V10 excels in that department! I'm with T-mobile now, service is great for where I need it and their phones are mostly bootloader unlocked. Can easily root them.
Watching Floss Carter on YouTube, with his review of HTC 10. His biggest negative factor is that the phone is too small for him. Everything else is good, he even mentions that HTC should've made two options like HTC 10 and 10+.
His top 5 phones:
1: Note 5
2: Nexus 6p
3: iPhone 6s+
4: S7 edge
5: LG G5
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