First off, I'm rooted and have already patched my Omate TrueSmart Developer Edition with Lokifish Marz's security patch.
Device: 1900 1/8 TrueSmart Dev Edition
ROM/Firmware version: Latest
Changes made to stock firmware (if any): A few Xposed mods
Issue: See below, freeze, drain, screen not functioning.
Steps Taken: Restart, antivirus check
One day I turned my TrueSmart on (while off my wrist), went back about 15 minutes later to it and the screen wouldn't turn on. I though "Ahh, that's strange. I thought I turned this on." I pressed the power button multiple times to try to turn it on. It was already on, but the display would not turn on. The battery was charged already and at about 85%. I held the power button and felt the haptic feedback - no screen on.
Earlier that week, I'd noticed that the TrueSmart's battery was draining a bit faster than usual on WiFi alone, no SIM or GPS on. When the screen wouldn't work, I held down the power button for about 10-16 seconds (some Android Devices will restart, but not all, so I gave that a shot). - Nothing. I then left it alone for a day (didn't feel like playing with it after a long and busy work day). I tried to turn on the screen - nothing. I still got haptic feedback so I knew it was on. "Crap - now I have to void the warranty by doing a battery pull." Removed the screws, found the crappy water seal, did a battery pull, and turned the device back on. Screen worked - phew. The past two days it had been draining rather fast and the watch was overheating even though I kept it in about room temperature conditions.
I thought something was up so I ran avast! Anti-virus (I'm not playing the Linux OS' don't need antivirus software game - so let's not go there.) and the definitions/database took over two minutes to update (usually just 15 seconds) on a strong WiFi connection - strange. I ran the scan - nothing showed up but the scan mysteriously kept going away and I had to restart the scan a few times. Finally it worked even though I had to turn my WiFi on the watch off.
My question is - am I being completely paranoid or has my watch been hacked? Fast battery drain, connection issues, screen not responding, overheating - those are signs of spying and wiretapping, am I wrong? For the time being I removed the battery so that way if I am being spied on or hacked, the watch can't be powered on.
I've had the watch for only a few weeks, never installed any strange apps - all legit stuff. Am I crazy :silly: or is this something to be worried about?
deedscreen said:
First off, I'm rooted and have already patched my Omate TrueSmart Developer Edition with Lokifish Marz's security patch.
One day I turned my TrueSmart on (while off my wrist), went back about 15 minutes later to it and the screen wouldn't turn on. I though "Ahh, that's strange. I thought I turned this on." I pressed the power button multiple times to try to turn it on. It was already on, but the display would not turn on. The battery was charged already and at about 85%. I held the power button and felt the haptic feedback - no screen on.
Earlier that week, I'd noticed that the TrueSmart's battery was draining a bit faster than usual on WiFi alone, no SIM or GPS on. When the screen wouldn't work, I held down the power button for about 10-16 seconds (some Android Devices will restart, but not all, so I gave that a shot). - Nothing. I then left it alone for a day (didn't feel like playing with it after a long and busy work day). I tried to turn on the screen - nothing. I still got haptic feedback so I knew it was on. "Crap - now I have to void the warranty by doing a battery pull." Removed the screws, found the crappy water seal, did a battery pull, and turned the device back on. Screen worked - phew. The past two days it had been draining rather fast and the watch was overheating even though I kept it in about room temperature conditions.
I thought something was up so I ran avast! Anti-virus (I'm not playing the Linux OS' don't need antivirus software game - so let's not go there.) and the definitions/database took over two minutes to update (usually just 15 seconds) on a strong WiFi connection - strange. I ran the scan - nothing showed up but the scan mysteriously kept going away and I had to restart the scan a few times. Finally it worked even though I had to turn my WiFi on the watch off.
My question is - am I being completely paranoid or has my watch been hacked? Fast battery drain, connection issues, screen not responding, overheating - those are signs of spying and wiretapping, am I wrong? For the time being I removed the battery so that way if I am being spied on or hacked, the watch can't be powered on.
I've had the watch for only a few weeks, never installed any strange apps - all legit stuff. Am I crazy :silly: or is this something to be worried about?
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As long as the apps that you have installed are legit, you should be fine.
I guess my only concern would be...how long did you use the device before installing Loki's patch? Did you connect to any network prior? It's your BT on? Is it set correctly?
As far as the overheating and other issues...I had the same. When I went to the latest Operative 20140318v2, most of the issues fixed themselves. Now, the overheating happens only if I am on a call for more than 10min.
Battery issues have become almost not existent when I patched up. However, I did find that of you upgrade to SL PRO...the juice seems to run out quicker....
I would install a good battery app that monitors ALL processes and hardware using power. I was able to solve a few issues this way.
But, overall, I really don't think you're being watched.
Good luck....
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Well I already know you're crazy but...
Even with Ensec or Operative the firmware is still unstable. I randomly get greatly increased battery drain yet even when connected to WiFi with full packet logging nothing stands out as odd. The screen not waking up happens from time to time as well as soft locks are being caused by some apps. I suggest you install a system monitor app and see if a particular app is to blame. On one TS, G+ randomly sits there and updates the feed for hours without ever actually updating. One another, it's weather, then on yet another, no issues at all yet all three are on the same firmware and same patch version and option.
The probability that your TS is hacked is fairly low and I suggest looking at the more likely causes first.
Perfectly normal behavior of Android device
BTW - force (hard) restart on many Android device is vol up + power.
Vol down + power will take screen shot.
Of course, there's many Android devices so maybe that combo also works...
TS is half finished device and we are all lucky we have Loki here...
If we were depending on Omate that wouldn't be good...
I'm still waiting my October 2100 1/8 release and I'm quite sure I won't even open it...
I'll sell that and develop for something else...(don't like when someone treat me like idiot)
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funky0308 said:
I'll sell that and develop for something else...(don't like when someone treat me like idiot)
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Hopefully another Android based smartwatch. Idea man has ideas.
Lokifish Marz said:
Hopefully another Android based smartwatch. Idea man has ideas.
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Absolutely another smartwatch...
I was really patient with Omate but this is too much...
If I have to wait almost eight months for Xperia Z2 I would f***ed them off and that's device that will work fantastic from the box.
But to wait something eight months to have 30% finished device (in a hardware and software way) - naaah...I'm (probably) out...
That's too bad, I really liked that idea and specifications but, if anyone wants to be honest - it just don't worth all that "hype"...
To completely relay on XDA devs to fix tethering and paring, to patch their incapacities and mistakes...to found their company and then wait for them while they are selling watch (newer and better) for a months...
Way tooooo much for me...
Sorry guys for spamming thread
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@funky0308 - Totally hear you. Maybe the Neptune Pine (quite a bit larger but still) may be better when it's finally released. The TrueSmart is unstable in some ways.
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deedscreen said:
@funky0308 - Totally hear you. Maybe the Neptune Pine (quite a bit larger but still) may be better when it's finally released. The TrueSmart is unstable in some ways.
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Lokifish Marz said:
Well I already know you're crazy but...
Even with Ensec or Operative the firmware is still unstable...
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Haha, we all are a bit crazy. Could make sense.
@mghtymse007 - I used it for a few days before the patch but I should do a factory reset and try to re-patch just to be extra safe.
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The past two mornings when I wake up my prime was shutdown and a simple power on does not do the trick. I just start hitting volume and the power button and it eventually powers on.
Anyone else having this issue?
Sleep of Death?
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RussianMenace said:
Sleep of Death?
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Not again...
Did you upgrade the firmware?
dhonzik said:
Did you upgrade the firmware?
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Yes. Itdidnt happen the first night. The next 2 it did.
anymore feedback on this? is there a way to avoid it? is my device simple plagued with it for life?
oasis9389 said:
The past two mornings when I wake up my prime was shutdown and a simple power on does not do the trick. I just start hitting volume and the power button and it eventually powers on.
Anyone else having this issue?
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I've had it happen to me a couple of times. This is very similar to what happened with my transformer, but very much less frequency. Basically when it goes on standby and locks the screen, and you move to a different location, it won't wake back up. You have to hold the button for 30 seconds to shut it down and power it back up. This isn't a major problem and will probably be fixed with future updates. I am worry about my other problems, GPS, sluggishness, and wifi signal is still really week. When it's good it's really fast, but when I'm in an area of my house (the toilet) weak ass signal!
nxp3 said:
I've had it happen to me a couple of times. This is very similar to what happened with my transformer, but very much less frequency. Basically when it goes on standby and locks the screen, and you move to a different location, it won't wake back up. You have to hold the button for 30 seconds to shut it down and power it back up. This isn't a major problem and will probably be fixed with future updates. I am worry about my other problems, GPS, sluggishness, and wifi signal is still really week. When it's good it's really fast, but when I'm in an area of my house (the toilet) weak ass signal!
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yea so that is my question.. this is not something to return it for? it could be fixed with an update?
oasis9389 said:
yea so that is my question.. this is not something to return it for? it could be fixed with an update?
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They fixed the transformer with an update. Can't guarantee anything but most likely it will be.
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They fixed the transformer with an update. Can't guarantee anything but most likely it will be.
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cool thanks.
This is exactly what I came here looking for. Mine arrived this morning and worked fine all day and now it won't wake up... Since I've had it for less than 12 hours, I wasn't entirely happy, but at least I'm not the only one with the issue and I'm sure Asus will correct it... at least I hope so, lol
+1 on this issue.
while sleeping it shuts down. It can be turned back on by holding the power button, but at that point it has to start back up again, not just come out of sleep mode.
2 days ago, I woke up, this happened to tablet - it was off. I am on ICS mind you. It was not battery as when I restarted, it had 44%.
I was a little freaked out as I had to hold down the power button for longer than normal it seemed to get it to come on.
Very strange.
I had this happen for the first time yesterday. I used the reset hole with a paper clip. The reset hole is the one on the left side under the SD card slot, not the hole on the top near the camera.
my email to Gary Key:
Is the 9.4.2.13 update expected to fix the shutdown issue that is
separate from crash/restart issue?
I do not experience crashes but my unit will read as an empty battery
when it is sleeping and shutdown. When started back up the battery
level is fine.
His response:
It should also address this problem. We had two units returned with
this problem and the update cured both of the units. I cannot 100%
guarantee it at this point until we collect additional data but
hopefully it will work fine for you. Ensure you are on AC when the .13
update is started. After the completion of the update. Please shutdown
the unit and do a full power on cycle.
I am still having the sleep/shutdown issues after updating to 9.4.2.13.
GK requested I do a full system reset (dont know if its different from factory reset in the settings but they sent instructions that takes you to the cold boot menu with the wipe data icon and then you wipe data) and update the included apps.
if this doesnt work, will have to send it in.
I can still return as well, but everything else is working (including GPS) so I hate to return it. And as of now amazon is only refund anyway so Id have to find a replacement elsewhere.
Love the smell of napalm in the morning.
after the .14 update, I am still getting shutdowns.
I downloaded the update, then cold booted, then installed, then cold booted again.
anybody else still experiencing this??
Hello,
After the latest OTA release (9.4.2.13) I am having the following issues:
- Putting tablet into sleep mode (unit on, screen turned off) with WiFi off causes
tablet to shut off after approx. 10-15 minutes. To turn tablet back on I have to hold the
power button in for approx. 10 seconds.
Before this update I NEVER had this problem. WiFi is set to always stay on in Settings.
This also occurs if I set to turn WiFi off when the screen if off (in Settings).
- The battery seems to be discharging much faster now. Before the update, the battery
would last approx. 7-8 hours under normal use (web surfing, email, etc). Now, I'm lucky if I get 5-6 hours.
I currently do not have any emperical evidence to back this up. It just
seems to be draining faster. I will check to see if an app or some process
may be causing this issue.
This latest update has really annoyed me given these issues. I had none
of the issues that this update is supposed to fix (lockups, reboots, Wifi problems).
Up to this point, I have really loved this tablet. Now, I think about its problems every time I use it.
Please fix these issues and give us a tool that will allow us to revert back to older firmware releases.
Thanks for listening.
-Paul
pmuch12345 said:
Hello,
After the latest OTA release (9.4.2.13) I am having the following issues:
- Putting tablet into sleep mode (unit on, screen turned off) with WiFi off causes
tablet to shut down. To turn tablet back on I have to hold the power button in for approx. 10 seconds. Before the update I NEVER had this problem. WiFi is set to always stay on in Settings.
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So you have wifi off and the setting for wifi to always be on in settings and it locks up. If you turn wifi on does it not lock up? I tried to duplicate the problem but could not. I turned off wifi on settings and was able to sleep and power on the device without troubles. (For the record Bluetooth was also off.) I believe you are having a problem but do not think the root cause is what you suspect. Maybe it is a program you have installed that I do not or vice versa. If you can hook your tablet up to a computer and capture a logcat perhaps something will show up.
Alternatively is it maybe how long you let it sleep? I only left it off for the count of ten.
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I turn Wifi off prior to putting tablet into sleep mode to save on battery power.
I have not tried to leave WiFi on while in sleep mode. I will try this.
It seems to me, whether WiFi is On or Off when putting the tablet
into sleep mode should not cause the tablet to turn off after a short period
of time.
I will have to test, but the tablet is in sleep mode for at least 10-15 minutes
when it shuts off.
BTW, I never had this issue prior to this OTA release. I would be really
surprised if an application is causing this issue.
Thanks
I'm not having this issue and never had it, just like the last post says it can be caused by some application, what if you guys share the list of installed apps with some app like App Dragon App Lister (free in the market) then you can find if there are something in common, Are your primes rooted? mine is not.
regards
After the OTA i get this problem that restart every 10-15 minutes. I has been happening it me and i have been blaming the dock but now i see is the OTA that has cause this problem. Come on Asus, u can do better than this.
Yep, there IS an issue.
Last use last night was at 11:45pm and I was at 67% and at 7:07 I was at 44%. 23% overnight and while in deep sleep AND I use Tasker to shut Sync and BT and Wifi off at 10:30 pm IF they are on and I never use IPS and I am usually in Power Savings mode, so you cannot blame it on these things. Not good!
Better Battery shows AlarmReceiver as highest battery user at a mere laughable 2.8%
BUT CPU Spy shows 5:35 time in 475 clock speed... And since no other apps are clelarly burning my battery... it must be this low end 475.
Thanks Asus for (1) taking back the 1400 you gave us (2) taking back lower end 102-375 speeds I would use (3) forcing us to sit at 475 when we could be lower (4) giving me a battery drain issue I never had. Thanks
Confirmed, I am experiencing the same issue. Had to cold boot wake up after routine sleep mode this morning. Note battery dropped 50% while unused.
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If you want it to go to Gary, PM him.
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Lock-N-Load said:
Yep, there IS an issue.
Last use last night was at 11:45pm and I was at 67% and at 7:07 I was at 44%. 23% overnight and while in deep sleep AND I use Tasker to shut Sync and BT and Wifi off at 10:30 pm IF they are on and I never use IPS and I am usually in Power Savings mode, so you cannot blame it on these things. Not good!
Better Battery shows AlarmReceiver as highest battery user at a mere laughable 2.8%
BUT CPU Spy shows 5:35 time in 475 clock speed... And since no other apps are clelarly burning my battery... it must be this low end 475.
Thanks Asus for (1) taking back the 1400 you gave us (2) taking back lower end 102-375 speeds I would use (3) forcing us to sit at 475 when we could be lower (4) giving me a battery drain issue I never had. Thanks
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Your post was on the right track until I read your last paragraph. So unnecessary. I like your perspective to be able to hold Asus accountable/responsible in making sure our primes work like we want it to -- but all your posts end up soiling the conversation, and it's not just one or two, its all of them. Help us out here...please
So does anyone know if there is a way to revert back to the .11 update? That seemed to work the best for everyone and it'd be great to just go back to a working update.
Just to pile on, I am also seeing battery usage and awake time when it should be sleeping where as before everything was fine.
Battery was 76% last night in balanced mode before i went to bed. Woke up this morning at 8am and battery is dead, Never had an issue before this new update
pmuch12345 said:
I turn Wifi off prior to putting tablet into sleep mode to save on battery power.
I have not tried to leave WiFi on while in sleep mode. I will try this.
It seems to me, whether WiFi is On or Off when putting the tablet
into sleep mode should not cause the tablet to turn off after a short period
of time.
I will have to test, but the tablet is in sleep mode for at least 10-15 minutes
when it shuts off.
BTW, I never had this issue prior to this OTA release. I would be really
surprised if an application is causing this issue.
Thanks
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The battery savings may or may not be valid. I am not trying to judge on battery savings or use. What I am trying to do is narrow the scope of the lock problem and determine steps to reproduce the lock. This makes it easier to avoid the problem as a user and fix the problem as a developer. I am sure that it involves the OTA update. What I am suggesting is that, without the ability to reproduce it probably involves more than just the OTA update alone.
Does that make sense?
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JanetPanic said:
What I am trying to do is narrow the scope of the lock problem and determine steps to reproduce the lock.
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You've touched on the cruxt of the issue. It appears that not all Prime's behave the same way. Prime's that were fine before the update are broken and those that were broken now work. Since the h/w's all the same, it really is a curious issue.
pmuch12345 said:
Hello,
After the latest OTA release (9.4.2.13) I am having the following issues:
- Putting tablet into sleep mode (unit on, screen turned off) with WiFi off causes
tablet to shut off after approx. 10-15 minutes. To turn tablet back on I have to hold the
power button in for approx. 10 seconds.
Before this update I NEVER had this problem. WiFi is set to always stay on in Settings.
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-Paul
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I have this same behavior only after a minute of manually or auto-timeout screen off.
* No problems with .11
* Installed OTA update, lockup in sleep mode started
* Uninstalled Flash and Dolphin Browser JIC, problem remained
* It is a lock up not power down. Have to hold power button 10 sec
* I can wake with power button within a minute or so
* Wifi on or off
* If I force screen to never shutoff it stays working fine as it never goes to sleep
* If I manually power down, it will power up normally
-Robert
Rather than making us wait a month for another "fix," Asus should do the right thing and give those of us who had no problems on the old FW a way to revert back. This is bogus.
Lock-N-Load said:
Thanks Asus for (1) taking back the 1400 you gave us (2) taking back lower end 102-375 speeds I would use (3) forcing us to sit at 475 when we could be lower (4) giving me a battery drain issue I never had. Thanks
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Do you think there could be inconsistencies in the SoC? Teg3 was delayed and people were speculating that it was due to fabrication issues. It's an extremely complex design and it's odd that some devices experience issues when others don't. It could be other h/w that's inconsistent but there's nothing earth shatteringly different in the Prime other than the SoC. Just something to think about...
I can confirm lockups and reduced battery life after the update though I do not have any solid information to say what is causing it. Prior to the update I could go most of my day at work using the tablet very mildly and get home with 80% or so. Now I'm home for lunch and I'm sitting at 70% with 5 hours left in my work day. I've also experienced two lockups today and have to hold the power button for 10-15 seconds before it will boot up. I'm not incredibly worried about it, I feel like these issues will be ironed out more easily than wifi and gps issues. ; )
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BarryH_GEG said:
Do you think there could be inconsistencies in the SoC? Teg3 was delayed and people were speculating that it was due to fabrication issues. It's an extremely complex design and it's odd that some devices experience issues when others don't. It could be other h/w that's inconsistent but there's nothing earth shatteringly different in the Prime other than the SoC. Just something to think about...
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I agree, I think alot of these issues (aside from backlight bleed and GPS) have a direct correlation to Tegra3. I think the market has something to say about that too though -- how many other Tegra 3 tablets are there? When is the next non-Asus tegra 3 tab coming out? Not until May/June...
Honestly, I don't think Tegra3 does too well with CPU frequency stages. Then you have ICS on top, which is new as well. The combination could be disastrous. I'm not surprised there is issues, Asus is doing a good job staying afloat though.
Other OEMs are looking at how Asus is proceeding with this and are learning. But Asus has the advantage. They have the closest relationship with nvidia than anyone else does (I'm speculating) and thus is brings them closer to the Apple model, where control is maintained throughout all the levels of the tablet experience (App ecosystem, OEM, SoC)
Agreed, how to revert back to working binaries!
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You've touched on the cruxt of the issue. It appears that not all Prime's behave the same way. Prime's that were fine before the update are broken and those that were broken now work. Since the h/w's all the same, it really is a curious issue.
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This not completely true statement. Gary already explained exactly what the update did. Raising the lower clock doped doesn't mean a broken prime...lol. my prime still works just fine after update. Yes, some are experiencing issues after update but not all. So to assume all that were fine before update are now broken is incorrect.
I make it short:
Yeah another wifi/ battery thread. But the only one with an actual solution for pi poor battery life after 21 update. Some people reported it helped also with the sod.
Wifi sucks battery dead.
Some people let all sorts of juice sucking bat-control apps running to find out that stock app reading is not lying: The bloody wifi never turns off even set to do so in the settings and just kills the battery of the device.
If this is your workaround you owe me a thanks . If you are an Asus employee testing poor battery issue give me credits in the fixing OTA by repairing the 'never' settings:
Go to
settings, w-lan,advanced (click on the three dots in the upper right corner, there it is), keep_wifi_on_during_sleep:
Instead of setting it to 'never', set it to 'only when plugged in'.
Now put your machine in sleep, wake it after 30min or even much less and BOOOOOOM! here we go:
You will see in the battery settings, that your wifi just has stopped pausing. Depending on how long ago the battery cycle has started you will see two shorter bricks instead of a long one as before. While waking your machine concentrate on the battery icon and you will notice the wifi-icon popping up just a second after you have woken the screen.
Of course this works also with shorter breaks but I'm not sure what is the shortest interval. Longer sleep period opens the gap in between two wifi-sessions wider. So this makes the working proof easier visible for the eye.
Sort of really a shame that Asus, Google and Nvidia have hybrid, wrongly programmed and even forgotten settings in their setup. (see my thread about the multitasking of the HTC1X http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1599214 Maybe helps your multitasking issue.
But as we know, nobody is perfect .... except for xda!!
And then, many report, they don't have this problem at all. Very strange that not everybody is affected by this blind setting.
If this solution doesn't help your device,I am sorry for you. Maybe you have to stick to the bat-control app and learn how to read it, or RMA your device.
Did the job for me.
So I am ready for summer to join in, got enough juice for the IPS+ screen to stun the sun the whole day lun . Rock'n Roll
Edit 121002:
JellyBeans workaround as well.
Edit 120616:
Thank you Asus that the .28 firmware makes my workaround obsolet. Now get rid of this arm5 coding and let the bugger run !!
Edit 2:
Title changed from 'Asus you owe me a blowjob' to something less attractive for trolls.
Should be an obvious solution for everyone. But took me a hell of time to use the next best (second) obvious setting for my w-lan and get the battery saving.
Edit:
Please don't abuse my thread to flame, blame or mob your boss, retailer, dog or whomever. Only confirmation or non-confirmations welcome. If you find another or better or additional solution in the future or the past please feel free to post it. I did not have the time yet to check for the actual amount of powersafe but regarding my normal readings we are gaining the whole lost lot back and don't need to throttle down or ruin our eyes. I reckon the bat is gonna be better because now some of the ASUS optimisation hits some ground.
If you want me to fled off, I have stolen your ideas or you are an ASUS employee with no job-offer, don't PM me.
Thanks
I have been using this setting for a while and while I do get better battery life using the "when plugged in" setting than the newer "disconnect during sleep" setting, in general battery life is still worse in .21 than in previous builds and for me WiFi alone still accounts for more than 60% of my average battery usage according to the battery settings menu. For all of my other Android devices the screen is the largest single user of battery.
It does not happen to everyone. I have it on "never" and as soon as i click the power button, wifi turns off... if i wake the tablet right away (2 or 3 seconds later), i see the wifi reappearing and reconecting. So, for me, the wifi turns off instantly.
In the battery graph my wifi line is nonexistant whenever the tablet is sleeping.
I believe the wifi options are implemented correctly (sort of). But for some reason, it doesnt seem to work for some users.
Another way to save battery is to increase the wifi scanning interval... but that is for when you are using wifi.
I guess, for those experiencing the battery drain, it may be a good temporary workaround to use the solution mentioned by the OP.
eddymonti said:
It does not happen to everyone. I have it on "never" and as soon as i click the power button, wifi turns off... if i wake the tablet right away (2 or 3 seconds later), i see the wifi reappearing and reconecting. So, for me, the wifi turns off instantly.
In the battery graph my wifi line is nonexistant whenever the tablet is sleeping.
I believe the wifi options are implemented correctly (sort of). But for some reason, it doesnt seem to work for some users.
Another way to save battery is to increase the wifi scanning interval... but that is for when you are using wifi.
I guess, for those experiencing the battery drain, it may be a good temporary workaround to use the solution mentioned by the OP.
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another way to MAKE SURE you save battery is turn the darn thing off and shutdown and then when you need it's ready to go. I been doing this more recently and it defeats the purpose of tablet, but hey, when i need to use it, after the boot up its on. not trying to be funny.
Let's not get carried away. While a good suggestion it's far from a real solution for all the people that are encountering this issue. It's kind of like suggesting just turning off your tablet when your not using it to prevent battery drain.
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Let's not get carried away. While a good suggestion it's far from a real solution for all the people that are encountering this issue. It's kind of like suggesting just turning of your tablet when your not using it to prevent battery drain.
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you got me laughing. that was a good one. Op meant well but this tip has been known for a long time.
im still laughing.
demandarin said:
you got me laughing. that was a good one. Op meant well but this tip has been known for a long time.
im still laughing.
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What's even funnier is that the OP is serious about his discovery. Guy probably thinks ASUS owes him something.
Nonetheless, thanks for the redundant tip OP.
Auto flight mode
I always install an auto flight mode program that will turn off the wifi when the screen turns off since most widgets prevents the system from turning it off and going into deep sleep.
almightywhacko said:
I have been using this setting for a while and while I do get better battery life using the "when plugged in" setting than the newer "disconnect during sleep" setting, in general battery life is still worse in .21 than in previous builds and for me WiFi alone still accounts for more than 60% of my average battery usage according to the battery settings menu. For all of my other Android devices the screen is the largest single user of battery.
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Thanks for confirming,
eddymonti said:
It does not happen to everyone. I have it on "never" and as soon as i click the power button, wifi turns off... if i wake the tablet right away (2 or 3 seconds later), i see the wifi reappearing and reconecting. So, for me, the wifi turns off instantly.
In the battery graph my wifi line is nonexistant whenever the tablet is sleeping.
I believe the wifi options are implemented correctly (sort of). But for some reason, it doesnt seem to work for some users.
Another way to save battery is to increase the wifi scanning interval... but that is for when you are using wifi.
I guess, for those experiencing the battery drain, it may be a good temporary workaround to use the solution mentioned by the OP.
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Nice you confirm as well . Unfortunately solutions tend to be temporary, sighh.
flipper2006 said:
another way to MAKE SURE you save battery is turn the darn thing off and shutdown and then when you need it's ready to go. I been doing this more recently and it defeats the purpose of tablet, but hey, when i need to use it, after the boot up its on. not trying to be funny.
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Your way takes far too much time for me to act spontaneous. With my changed settings it's doing it automatically again, just as was intended the 'never' setting. Unless you charge the tablet by cord, the wifi turns off while you put the tablet asleep. I say settings are messed up.
prettyboy85712 said:
Let's not get carried away. While a good suggestion it's far from a real solution for all the people that are encountering this issue. It's kind of like suggesting just turning off your tablet when your not using it to prevent battery drain.
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Don't think you got my point, surely I am not getting yours. you quote your preposter who obviously disagrees with you.
But we both think it sucks, thanks.
demandarin said:
you got me laughing. that was a good one. Op meant well but this tip has been known for a long time.
im still laughing.
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Glad you are having fun and proud you are tolling my thread as well vely sholt time
ungraph said:
What's even funnier is that the OP is serious about his discovery. Guy probably thinks ASUS owes him something.
Nonetheless, thanks for the redundant tip OP.
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You are welcome. You bet I am and I do and please show me the redundance, maybe demandarin can help you while I get a little nap now.
XXRay said:
I always install an auto flight mode program that will turn off the wifi when the screen turns off since most widgets prevents the system from turning it off and going into deep sleep.
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Yeah I seen you mentioning this, but I get rid of bloatware so why would I fill up with supposed stock apps. As I said, worked best for me
Thanks guys for the the exchange, keep on rowing fellas ..
ill be the first one to Thank the OP as no one has. At least he is trying to help and find a solution. Even if it was something already known for the longest time. Sorry if the humor wasn't funny to you. Maybe he didn't know people already knew about this. which is totally fair.
to the OP, have you noticed that when you put wifi to stay on only when plugged in, when in sleep, that it takes a little while for wifi to come back online? meaning if you use the setting you said, then put the prime to sleep unplugged, then wake it back up, wifi doesn't connect back immediately. it takes a few seconds to come back online. that's the only thing I personally don't like about it.
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ill be the first one to Thank the OP as no one has. At least he is trying to help and find a solution. Even if it was something already known for the longest time. Sorry if the humor wasn't funny to you. Maybe he didn't know people already knew about this. which is totally fair.
to the OP, have you noticed that when you put wifi to stay on only when plugged in, when in sleep, that it takes a little while for wifi to come back online? meaning if you use the setting you said, then put the prime to sleep unplugged, then wake it back up, wifi doesn't connect back immediately. it takes a few seconds to come back online. that's the only thing I personally don't like about it.
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yeah but personally this means to me it's working correctly. For the wifi to come back on instantly it would have to keep a connection and just not transfer data, when in deep sleep it completely turns off the wifi radio. When you wake it back up the radio turns back on, and it needs to connect to the AP all over again. This means the wifi was in a deep sleep (actually turned off the tab is in deep sleep) and it is working correctly.
I really wonder why every thread in this forum sooner or later becomes a trolling/flaming thread....
So guys, as usual (*sigh*) please stay on topic.
Trolling and flaming won't be tolerated but will be rewarded by other gifts like infractions and bans.
@OP: You might think about stoping posting in red: It usually implies a high rate of aggressivity towards other members.
Even if this might not be actually true in your case, other members still might missunderstand you.
On topic: This "fix" is really known since like, dunno, Froyo times? At least this setting is there already for ages.
Apart from that it should be obvious that turning off the Wifi drains less power.
However, you had good intentions so don't destroy them by flaming other members.
If you feel attacked by any post, just report it (obviously this goes for all members)
Thanks for clearing up, Diamondback,
What has been known since Froyo x.x is still worth mentioning. Many user have just started their android career because nowadays the hardware and the software are worth it. And once in a while talking about an old known tip is worthwhile especially since nobody else did.
@ demandarin ;-)
Edit on topic (referring to Diamondback):
This was no flame.
Asus shoot themselves in the foot, some people in my thread the same!
Obviously both the feet and so I call trolls by name,
themselves they should blame.
Right? Obviously not, which is a shame.
My only wrong the color of which I was ignorant,
shame on me!
I will change the teasing thread title
from Asus gets busted in Asus will get the game
I've been using this option since day 1. The problem is not that the wifi doesn't sleep. It's more so that it sucks way too much power when it is on.
I have an iPad2 3g as well which I received as a birthday gift so I kept it and with wifi and 3g always on, I still get 5-7 days of use.
On the Prime its dead under 2 days if always on and 3-4 days if off when asleep.
So it's most likely an optimization issue or driver issue.
Maybe the transmit power should go to low when asleep rather than staying strong.
Who knows. Regardless this can be fixed by Asus if they really look into it.
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Elisha said:
I've been using this option since day 1. The problem is not that the wifi doesn't sleep. It's more so that it sucks way too much power when it is on.
I have an iPad2 3g as well which I received as a birthday gift so I kept it and with wifi and 3g always on, I still get 5-7 days of use.
On the Prime its dead under 2 days if always on and 3-4 days if off when asleep.
So it's most likely an optimization issue or driver issue.
Maybe the transmit power should go to low when asleep rather than staying strong.
Who knows. Regardless this can be fixed by Asus if they really look into it.
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Actually the iPad has it's SW architecture on the plus side. I think the high battery drain on the TFP (and/or Android in general) is also strongly linked to the number of apps synching in background.
Maybe it can be fixed with drivers. Lowering transmit power sounds good. Could be that Asus optimized to much for the folks complaining about wifi performance....
The setting to turn off wifi while the tablet sleeps makes no sense for my use case. I mean for a wifi only device, it makes not much sense to turn it's connection to the outside off. How will I then receive notifications on gtalk, mail and so on? If I would like to safe power that way, I rather turn it completely off.
For a phone with 3g / edge data connection it might make sense. This applies for the 3g iPad as well.
I agree, it got a bit worse with .21 but for me battery life is still awesome.
Thanks anyway for bringing it to the mind of new users. Although I wouldn't call this a fix but a workaround.
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Elisha said:
I've been using this option since day 1. The problem is not that the wifi doesn't sleep. It's more so that it sucks way too much power when it is on.
I have an iPad2 3g as well which I received as a birthday gift so I kept it and with wifi and 3g always on, I still get 5-7 days of use.
On the Prime its dead under 2 days if always on and 3-4 days if off when asleep.
So it's most likely an optimization issue or driver issue.
Maybe the transmit power should go to low when asleep rather than staying strong.
Who knows. Regardless this can be fixed by Asus if they really look into it.
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Yes, I agree about the drain but isn't it probably because of the stylish casing! So nothing we can change there, but Asus could clock it down while asleep as you suggest.
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Actually the iPad has it's SW architecture on the plus side. I think the high battery drain on the TFP (and/or .....
I agree, it got a bit worse with .21 but for me battery life is still awesome.
Thanks anyway for bringing it to the mind of new users. Although I wouldn't call this a fix but a workaround.
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You are right I have already changed the op from fix to workaround.
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Actually the iPad has it's SW architecture on the plus side. I think the high battery drain on the TFP (and/or Android in general) is also strongly linked to the number of apps synching in background.
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My iPad2 goes ding ding ding all night. Lots of apps syncing. 3 email accounts. CNN app, and multiple other apps.
But I think iOS uses a very low power state for background sync while in sleep compared to Android.
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Solved my problem.
thank you
Not sure if it's relevant because this was posted for the GS2 but it could also help with wifi drain on the prime.
from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=25876666&postcount=3
"FAQ
Q: Wakelocks "wlan_rx_wake" wake up my device constantly what I can do about it?
A: The problem is neither Android nor the kernel, but the router and the (Windows7) network. In the network properties, uncheck "IPv6", disable the service "IP Helper", "Shell Hardware Detection" and "Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service", which provide ongoing Traffic. Then they scored again 98% of deep sleep."
And how you disable ipv6 on your phone/tablet is with a script but the value in the file gets recreated everytime you turn wifi on and off. So if you disable ipv6 then turn wifi off, then back on, ipv6 will be enabled again. I got around this by a tasker profile that will run every time my tablet connects to a wifi network. So it disables ipv6 right away again. You could do this in an init.d script(or in sysctl) as well but then you have the issue of it resetting itself if you turn wifi off/on
If you have tasker create a new profile for when wifi is connected, then run a shell script task, and check run as root. This is the command echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/wlan0/disable_ipv6
to enable it just replace the 1 with a 0. You can also run the command in a terminal window if you just want to test it. I did it for my phone, and I just set it for my prime so I'll see if it drains less battery with it off..
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Yes, I agree about the drain but isn't it probably because of the stylish casing! So nothing we can change there, but Asus could clock it down while asleep as you suggest.
You are right I have already changed the op from fix to workaround.
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I would just like to say thanks and let you know that I had SOD problems on my prime (as bad as up to once every day in frequency) for a very long time since .21 came out, after trying your work around (several weeks ago) ever since I have not had a single SOD sleep of death issue whatsoever.
I always suspected it was dock recharging causing the SOD fault but maybe it was a bum wifi stack or something, so thank you very much my tab is much more stable because the suggestion you've shared with me.
Unfortunately it does not help any flickering or GPU bugs I tend to get on occasion. I truly hate .21 it is so god awful for GPU, SOD and storage I/O.
I should just man up and downgrade but meh, sif i have the time do it
But yeah, thanks heaps, your workaround is an awesome suggestion.
So I bought my phone from AT&T just as the new M8 was coming out (got a good deal as a result) and ever since that day its been dependable, efficient, and never lagged a single second.
But then the HTC Sense 6 ROM started to act up, opengl issues, and various bugs that drove me insane! So I switched to CM11, (btw no IR or radio or hardware encoding support on it) and all went well until about 2 weeks ago.
Suddenly my phone is sluggish at times, especially on switching applications, and the battery life went from around 10 hours average usage, to 5... Now its down to 3... Not only that but the phone is HOT!
If I even watch a Twitch stream, or YT video, or play a game, or even navigation, camera, chrome, anything with it (including listening to music), the device gets to 43 degrees C. That is with the device out in the air, passively cooling.
If I leave it on a surface, with the back covered up (like in my pocket, or watching a video in my bed) it will go past 50 C, and climb further! At one point in my car while driving, (was charging and navigating, aux was connected so i could get audio navigation through my speakers) I suddenly realized I had past my exit 5 miles back, and had to stop to check the phone...
The phone was not responding to my wake button presses, nor holding it down, it was not outputting directions, and the red LED light was softly lit (not flashing) so immediately I unconnected the charger, and aux cable. The phone still didn't respond, holding power + vol up soft resetting it worked. But what struck me most was how blooming hot it was! It was NOT in direct sunlight, nor was the display on. It practically burned my hands! I had to look up how to soft reset the phone, using my old LG Nitro HD which is my GPS tracker for my car (nifty setup btw).
Now I had an LG Nitro HD which did this sort of thing 24/7 and I could not STAND that phone, since you had to baby the device every second to keep it cool, otherwise you would need to restart.
I have seen numerous threads online about the HTC One getting toasty, and it has before for me, but NEVER THIS HOT! Also this only JUST started happening (its not related to CM11 since I had a backup of HTC's ROM and it did the same thing (in fact it was even slower x.x)
Now here is my question : is this a normal occurrence for smartphones of this age? I think its 1-2 years old... Its past the warranty I suppose (still have the card, and box btw) Is this something that I just have to deal with?
I have used the phone alot while it was charging, and left it on a charger for a long time after it was fully charged... (i thought newer phones had a disconnect for charging)
What bothers me is how suddenly the phone has become stricken with this... problem. It has only been 2 weeks, and battery life is effectively halved, and I am afraid to even USE navigation anymore (unless I hold the phone up infront of an AC vent, which I did all the way home >.< not a fun task since its a manual!)
Thanks in advance!
I had this issue with my M7 for T-Mobile. I would factory reset it and things would be okay for a while until I logged into all of my common apps and realized it would happen again... Some apps make the phone work harder and a lot more on the M7... The way I fixed this was I removed apps I didn't really use and make sure to not be logged into apps that I don't commonly use... The other thing I did was restart after using any video and audio apps... One more thing was I turned on the power saver option with vibrate and cpu unchecked and my phone started acting better...
Edit: if you have insurance through at&t I would go back to complete stock (get rid of tampered flag and red warranty warning included) and let them know it's freezing up. They should send you a replacement and it may help you out...
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I had this issue with my M7 for T-Mobile. I would factory reset it and things would be okay for a while until I logged into all of my common apps and realized it would happen again... Some apps make the phone work harder and a lot more on the M7... The way I fixed this was I removed apps I didn't really use and make sure you not be logged into apps that I don't commonly use... The other thing I did was restart after using any video and audio apps... One more thing was I turned on the power saver option with vibrate and cpu unchecked and my phone started acting better...
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Yeah actually I just factory resetted the phone, and its absolutely normal now... Furthermore the USB speed is no longer 1mb/s and instead is back up to USB3 speeds!
BTW I did a firmware AND software factory reflash / reset.
Hey all,
Have had my v10 for a bit over a week now. Concerned that I'm having a few too many problems.
1) The battery appears to be draining at a very fast rate. Relatively light to moderate use is lasting ~8-12 hours. Nothing out of the ordinary app or utilization wise.
2) Even though I turn Location settings to battery saving (network only), every now and then it reverts back to high accuracy (gps and network). Assume some stupid app is doing this?
3) Seems like just after a few minutes of use, I can feel the back of the phone (near the power/volume buttons) getting quite warm.
4) When haptic feedback is enabled (using the home button or just typing on the keyboard), the vibrate feels/sounds ... off. Coming from a Note 3 anyway, this reminds me of a dying motor. Just has a buzzy noise to it.
5) I have a 2.1a 5.2v charger (that I got from my nVidia shield tablet) that I commonly use. When I use this charger on the v10, it makes my phone go berserk. In that, any typing or touch I do, the phone becomes ultra sensitive and double/triple clicks a key and just other random oddities occur. I use this charger on all other phones/tablets without issue.
6) Picasa album sync - Why isn't this working anymore (to see albums in gallery)? I don't even see it as an option under Google account settings.
Any feedback would be most appreciated. only have a few days left to return under the 14 day VZW policy. Thinking at the least to swap for a new V10, but if these are known/common issues. I love this phone, but getting really nervous that there are some QC issues here.
Thanks
adambean said:
Hey all,
Have had my v10 for a bit over a week now. Concerned that I'm having a few too many problems.
1) The battery appears to be draining at a very fast rate. Relatively light to moderate use is lasting ~8-12 hours. Nothing out of the ordinary app or utilization wise.
2) Even though I turn Location settings to battery saving (network only), every now and then it reverts back to high accuracy (gps and network). Assume some stupid app is doing this?
3) Seems like just after a few minutes of use, I can feel the back of the phone (near the power/volume buttons) getting quite warm.
4) When haptic feedback is enabled (using the home button or just typing on the keyboard), the vibrate feels/sounds ... off. Coming from a Note 3 anyway, this reminds me of a dying motor. Just has a buzzy noise to it.
5) I have a 2.1a 5.2v charger (that I got from my nVidia shield tablet) that I commonly use. When I use this charger on the v10, it makes my phone go berserk. In that, any typing or touch I do, the phone becomes ultra sensitive and double/triple clicks a key and just other random oddities occur. I use this charger on all other phones/tablets without issue.
6) Picasa album sync - Why isn't this working anymore (to see albums in gallery)? I don't even see it as an option under Google account settings.
Any feedback would be most appreciated. only have a few days left to return under the 14 day VZW policy. Thinking at the least to swap for a new V10, but if these are known/common issues. I love this phone, but getting really nervous that there are some QC issues here.
Thanks
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i experience the same thing when playing games. about 5 mins into the game, i start to feel the back buttons and camera part start to get really really warm. im really bothered by it.
Its all common in android devices but i believe Sony android is very fast draining battery!!!
adambean said:
Hey all,
Have had my v10 for a bit over a week now. Concerned that I'm having a few too many problems.
1) The battery appears to be draining at a very fast rate. Relatively light to moderate use is lasting ~8-12 hours. Nothing out of the ordinary app or utilization wise.
2) Even though I turn Location settings to battery saving (network only), every now and then it reverts back to high accuracy (gps and network). Assume some stupid app is doing this?
3) Seems like just after a few minutes of use, I can feel the back of the phone (near the power/volume buttons) getting quite warm.
4) When haptic feedback is enabled (using the home button or just typing on the keyboard), the vibrate feels/sounds ... off. Coming from a Note 3 anyway, this reminds me of a dying motor. Just has a buzzy noise to it.
5) I have a 2.1a 5.2v charger (that I got from my nVidia shield tablet) that I commonly use. When I use this charger on the v10, it makes my phone go berserk. In that, any typing or touch I do, the phone becomes ultra sensitive and double/triple clicks a key and just other random oddities occur. I use this charger on all other phones/tablets without issue.
6) Picasa album sync - Why isn't this working anymore (to see albums in gallery)? I don't even see it as an option under Google account settings.
Any feedback would be most appreciated. only have a few days left to return under the 14 day VZW policy. Thinking at the least to swap for a new V10, but if these are known/common issues. I love this phone, but getting really nervous that there are some QC issues here.
Thanks
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1, 2 and 6 I can believe and can be caused by a variety of reasons. 3,4 and 5 point to a defective phone. I am assuming you are using the charger that came with the phone.
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I've replaced the phone and everything but #6 has been resolved. Would love to figure out how to get Picasa sync working again.
A full factory reset fixed my heating problems.
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adambean said:
I've replaced the phone and everything but #6 has been resolved. Would love to figure out how to get Picasa sync working again.
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Is picasa sync even a thing anymore? I thought it was all replaced with Google Photos.
Coming off my note 3,i used it all he time for desktop sync and then Mobile access.
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Coming off my note 3,i used it all he time for desktop sync and then Mobile access.
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I actually talked to a phone tester that works for LG here in San Diego. She's from South Korea, she deals directly with corporate in Seoul and translates for them. She said they know that a certain percentage of the phones are defective with overheating and GPS issues.
My V10 got so hot I thought it was going to catch fire. On night it was plugged into my powerpack charging, I woke up and the phone had shut off and it was hotter than I've ever seen a phone get. Like it shut off and just removed all restriction to the power just dumping into it. Kinda scary.
I did end up sending my V10 back under my 14 day return period. I've got another one coming tomorrow. Hopefully it will have no issues