SONY Xperia Z Ultra 2 [Desired Specifications]-To Encourage Better All-In-One Phones for the Future
I have been looking at developments in mobile phones and the current XZU/ZU GPe and some of the Chinese competition to the big brands and decided to make the following list of desired features in a near-future phablet. I believe a phablet with all the below listed features will definitely be the Ultimate Mobile Phablet. I hope that someone from SONY or any other competitive brand will take notice of the desired specification below to create the best phablet that will stand out from the crowd. My aim is to encourage discussion and draw the attention of manufacturers and I really hope that someone will take notice.
I have also read on various blogs online and also read on XDA that there is a rumour that the XZU/ZU GPe may be discontinued and that a successor may not be released. I really hope that this is not the case and that SONY will release a device that will put all the wrongs of the 1st gen device right and better them. There is not much wrong with the form factor of this device. what is wrong is SONY's implementation or non implementation (lack of led flash, stylus) of features that are important to a growing userbase that is keen to use one device as an all-in-one phone and tablet user.
Given how much space is wasted on the construction of the XZU/ZU GPe, I have decided that since there is not much difference between 6.45" and 6.95" that this size be the most optimum/maximum size for the Phablet category of devices and that any device that starts with 7.0" or above to be in tablet category so I hope that I won't be criticised for this choice of screen size. Furthermore, with the rest of the specification I have tried to be as realistic as possible given the current implemenations of most of the technologies listed below by many well known and Asian manufacturers (ZTE Nubia X, ZOPO, LG, Huawei, Alcatel One Touch Hero, Vivo and many others) Enjoy the reading and have fun!
6.95” Inches Thin Bezel True Capacitive Touchscreen, 16M Colors Triluminos Display with 2K 2560x1440 Resolution, X-Reality and E-Ink Mode for Battery Efficient E-Book Reading
Integrated Wacom or N-trig Active Digitizer Stylus
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™805/810 with 2.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor with Krait 400
Integrated Glasses Free 3D Content Viewing
3GB RAM
32GB/64GB/128GB Internal Memory Options
Dual SIM+Dual Standby 2G/3G/CDMA/LTE/LTE-A/TD/FD-LTE All Versions Worldwide 2-in-1 microSIM Tray
MicroSD Slot with up to 128GB Expandable Capacity
Dual Dolby Surround Sound Stereo Speakers and 3.5mm Jack
Quad Microphone with Noise Cancellation and HD Sound
Primary: 20.7Mp 4K, OIS, Auto Focus, Dual LED Camera with Simultaneous HD Video and Image Recording, Geo-Tagging, Touch Focus, Face and Smile Detection, Image Stabilization, Panorama, HDR
Secondary: 13Mp, 1080p, Auto Focus Front Facing Camera
Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual-Band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi Hotspot
Integrated GPS with A-GPS/GLONASS Support
Accelerometer, Gyro, Proximity, Compass
Bluetooth 4.0 with NFC, A2DP and LE
Infrared IR Port
Stereo FM and DAB Radio with RDS
Mini HDMI with MHL Integration
MicroUSB 3.0 with USB On-the-go, USB Host and Magnetic Charging
Wireless Charging
Removable Li-Ion 4250mAh/5000mAh Battery
Dust and Water Resistant Metal Construction
- Fingerprint sensor (PayPal certified)
- IP58 certified - dust and water resistant
- Water resistant up to 1 meter and 30 minutes
Android 4.4.3/4.5 with Dedicated SONY Pro Xperia Launcher and UI Optimisations and Hybrid Tablet UI Option.
179.5 x 92.2 x 7.9 mm
215-225 g
3 Yrs Dedicated Worldwide Warranty with Express Care Service
Colours Options; Pure Black, Pure White and Carbon Black and Carbon White with Full Body Colour
on the Front Bezels as well as the Back.
OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES:
SONY Bluetooth 4.0 Detachable Full QWERTY 5 Row Keyboard with Case
SONY Bluetooth 4.0 NFC Speaker Dock
SONY Wireless Charging and microUSB 3.0 Sync Plate
SONY Xenon Quad LED Video Light with 3.5mm Connection
SONY Rechargeable Battery Case 10000 mAh for Extended 4K Pro Use
SONY SmartWatch 3 with Dedicated XZU Apps
SONY Duo Dual Micro/USB Flash Drive for External Backup
SONY XZU Handheld Expanding Tripod Accessory
SONY External 720p/1080p Mini Projector Dock
Ask that waterproof with removable battery? I didn't think so.
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Jammol said:
Ask that waterproof with removable battery? I didn't think so.
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Think about the Samsung Galaxy S5 which has some form of water and dust resistancy. I am happy with this level of protection for the sake of having a removable rear cover.
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Think about the Samsung Galaxy S5 which has some form of water and dust resistancy. I am happy with this level of protection for the sake of having a removable rear cover.
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The ZU has a removable back, just a little heat and a guitar pick will do it
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The ZU has a removable back, just a little heat and a guitar pick will do it
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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One thing with the xperia range is that a friend of mine left her's on the roof of her car car over the weekend, came off at ~80km. Battery stayed intact and she could find it with GPS. Try that with a removable battery.
AWFRONT said:
6.95” Inches Thin Bezel True Capacitive Touchscreen, 16M Colors Triluminos Display with 2K 2560x1440 Resolution, X-Reality and E-Ink Mode for Battery Efficient E-Book Reading
I would like the size to remind the same so if they can increase screensize without making it much bigger then cool. Wont mind it either way really.
As far as I am concerned, I wont mind it to still be 1080p. Too many people playing the numbers game
Integrated Wacom or N-trig Active Digitizer Stylus
That would be cool!
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™805/810 with 2.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor with Krait 400
Better be 810 by the time if comes out but more important that the new CPU speed...can we get a damn processor that runs cool enough where it does not slow down. Whats the point of super fast processor that can only run that speed for a few minutes before having to slow down due to thermal issues?
Integrated Glasses Free 3D Content Viewing
I love 3D!
3GB RAM
agree
32GB/64GB/128GB Internal Memory Options
Agree
MicroSD Slot with up to 128GB Expandable Capacity
For sure...no google style nonsense here without MicroSD slots
Dual Dolby Surround Sound Stereo Speakers and 3.5mm Jack
could be cool but the sounds is going to be lame anyway..its physics lol
Primary: 20.7Mp 4K, OIS, Auto Focus, Dual LED Camera with Simultaneous HD Video and Image Recording, Geo-Tagging, Touch Focus, Face and Smile Detection, Image Stabilization, Panorama, HDR
As a photographer, what I want to see is at most a 12MP camera , wouldnt mind if it was 8MP in order to get better low light quality. I dont care for this silly MP race in such tiny sensors. When I want and need a big quality image, I use my camera.
Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual-Band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi Hotspot
Integrated GPS with A-GPS/GLONASS Support
Accelerometer, Gyro, Proximity, Compass
Bluetooth 4.0 with NFC, A2DP and LE
Infrared IR Port
Stereo FM and DAB Radio with RDS
Mini HDMI with MHL Integration
MicroUSB 3.0 with USB On-the-go, USB Host and Magnetic Charging
Wireless Charging
Removable Li-Ion 4250mAh/5000mAh Battery
I am willing to sacrifice thickness for a removable battery!
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I added my comments to some of the things I would change from your specs.
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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Because Samsung settles with subpar build quality. Sony does - or tries, not to.
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If it has a removable back and battery it could only be water resistant, not waterproof. Unless they come up with some new tech that makes the back cover seal each time, which I doubt would happen anytime soon on a smartphone.
This phone doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is. I have huge hands and it still stretches me a bit and I have to use both hands sometimes. I will definitely not be getting the new one if the size increases. Also it's too thin. Yes it is sexy, yes it is sleep and it might be the thinnest or whatever, but that inevitably causes it's downfall which is why so many were/are cracking from being in the pockets. If it's going to be so thin, it needs to be more rigid, or just make it flex!
Not So Finally.....BEZELS!!! OMG!!! I understand why they are so huge at the top and bottom, but damn they could have at least made them off the screen, just like the ION. Damn I miss that phone for that feature. Next ZU should have OFF SCREEN navigation buttons like the ION did.
I don't personally use Flash, but at least put a better/Great camera on the thing!!!
16GBs is way too small!!! It's 2014, WTF SONY?!!! From Last year onward, NO HIGHEND SMARTPHONE SHOULD HAVE ANY LESS THAN 32GB of freakin' STORAGE MEMORY!!!! MY DAMN FLASHDRIVE HAS MORE THAN MY FREAKING PHONE!!! It classified as an Entertainment Device is it not?! At least that's what the lady in the promo video and photos was using it for!!! Can't watch all them movies with 16GBs! And yes I know that's what an SDCard is for. That's why I own one. But it would be nice to have more device storage!
Cases!!! It needs cases!!!
A waterproof devices with removable battery is possible. But it won't be as thin nor as solid.
I'm afraid 7" is a bit to big for me. Used to owned 2 7" phone enable tablet. But it's too wide for the pockets.
I also owned the T2 ultra as well, it's an impressive device which fix most of ZU problem but add in a few mid ranger problem as well.
I would be happy if the Z2U has a bigger screen but at the same width, a flash, better camera, 2 front facing stereo speakers and a 64bit processor.
Not sure if I want a 2k screen. The T2 can lass at least 10 hours of screen on time at the same battery capacity as the ZU. I also happens to own the vaio pro 11 during the fire sales. Do hope sony bring carbon fibre to the xperia lines.
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Dual sim, 64gb & 128gb internal memory, Dolby, Quad microphone, 13mp Secondary camera, Removable battery all are too much to expect, and I doubt would happen in the next ultra device.
6.2 inch with QHD, IPS kind of Z2 (lower power i suppose), 3400mAh battery, snapdragon 805, 3GB of RAM, thicker profile max at 7mm, no shatter proof sheet, dual stereo speaker like Z2, and 13mp with 2x clear zoom (or 5mp downsampled quality) Then I'm sold. Big bezel down and top, that's ok, as long as there are speakers below.
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Has to have a very good front facing camera for them selfies.
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Must be 6 mm thick.
Hi-fi sound.
2 speakers or a decent one. Heck the speakers may resemble the looks of 4k bravia tv's speakers, there is room for it.
21 mp first camera, 5 mp front.
Paypal enabled fingerprint sensor.
6.2" qhd screen.
Fast charging.
Must keep the top and bottom bezels or hello to ghost touches.
Make it more fingerprint friendly please.
The outer frame can be metallic but not shiny (apple slate) not black.
Camera shutter button would be great.
Snapdragon 805.
3 gigs of ram.
Noise cancellation earphones out of the box.
More cases.
And a goodbye letter to galaxy note 4 in a romantic way.
Well, some of the desired spec you need, the Chinese manufacturer has already implemented it....it just not Sony that is...
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Well, some of the desired spec you need, the Chinese manufacturer has already implemented it....it just not Sony that is...
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Above specs with Sony build quality from the Chinese? I think I'll pass.
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Above specs with Sony build quality from the Chinese? I think I'll pass.
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Well, i said it because Nubia X-6 has almost the same spec as op desired (not all but some)...like 13mp front and back, 4+++ mah battery, 2 and 3 gb ram, 2 sims, 32,64,128gb memory....same size 6.44 inch...and some...
I like the Chinese to make these kinda phone cause the olden day's they make crappy and clone phone, but now they have step up the game to make their own signature phone and what i like about them is they will put everything inside to max the hardware...all known branded manufacturer will put some of the thing big but keep some mediocre, maybe to make it not to expensive...
What i think if sony do that with their flagships, i think people will switch to sony in a flash...i know i will...
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The Ultra GPe is officially out of stock on the Play Store, so that's probably a goodbye for the GPe version.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...play-editions-out-of-stock-on-the-play-store/
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Here's to hoping for a sony zu 2
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Hello XDA!
I was just wondering if you could have any feature, any software, any hardware anything at all on an android tablet, what would it be?
What would your dream tablet offer? 7" format? IPS LCD screen? unlocked hardware? bluetooth tether?
The sky's the limit! be creative
I don't really think this belongs in Chef Central... maybe general or something like that. Its not really to do with ROM development, so it shouldn't really be here.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads like this around too, if you are stuck for where to put it.
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Yeah, this does not belong in this section.
But to humor the guy I would like:
Code:
17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 485M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition ( 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46GHz, 6.4GT/sec QPI, 6 Cores )
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
12GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Three of these: 160GB Intel SATA2 Solid State Disk Drive
6X BD-R Blu-ray Burner/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
TVT-6012, USB ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM HDTV TUNER
Fingerprint reader
and more! :D
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Yeah, this does not belong in this section.
But to humor the guy I would like:
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17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 485M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition ( 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46GHz, 6.4GT/sec QPI, 6 Cores )
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
12GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Three of these: 160GB Intel SATA2 Solid State Disk Drive
6X BD-R Blu-ray Burner/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
TVT-6012, USB ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM HDTV TUNER
Fingerprint reader
and more! :D
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In a device 7mm thin that would be one epic tablet
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hahaha, I know rrright.
Well actually those specs are of this laptop I'm looking at.
codybear said:
hahaha, I know rrright.
Well actually those specs are of this laptop I'm looking at.
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I envy you that is one monster indeed! I've got some Core Duo with Vista, but it does have Bluray
Well it's going to take me a little bit longer before I can buy the base model and start the upgrading process to that beast of a beast that will last me for quite some time (with minor upgrades/repairs here and there).
I currently have a netbook though, and it's a dual core 2.2ghz with 2gb of ram. All I know is I will marry that thing once it's finished. haha
Thanks for the humor
I realized as soon as I posted that it was in the wrong section.
Actually, speaking of chefs, I'm working on a new brand of android tablet that will be coming out later this year, would you be interested in doing any testing/development on it?
7 in capacitive multitouch
tegra 2 or equivilent processor
1 gb RAM
16 gb internal Storeage
hdmi
fullsize usb
slide out qwerty
removable batttery (see the witsech a81)
gps/bluetooth
car dock (for use as gps)
and i want all that for less that $400
bigwooly said:
7 in capacitive multitouch
tegra 2 or equivilent processor
1 gb RAM
16 gb internal Storeage
hdmi
fullsize usb
slide out qwerty
removable batttery (see the witsech a81)
gps/bluetooth
car dock (for use as gps)
and i want all that for less that $400
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Interesting...
a full size usb would make it thick(er), what if there was a microUSB that was unlocked so you could use an adapter?
wouldn't you prefer a bluetooth keyboard over a slideout that large? then you could also use it while it's docked in the car.
a removable battery is also an interesting idea too.
For $400 the screen type would suffer I think, low pixel density and not so great color. screen type is one of the more costly components.
What about battery life/weight? they are hand in hand, with the removable battery I guess the battery could be smaller so the unit could weight less.
i would love an all in one package. I don't want to have to carry the bluetooth keyboard. It may be an unreasonable concept.
As long as the color on the screen is decent it doesn't really matter. For me it's much more about the touch portion with this type of device. I want it to have a good, accurate, responsive screen if i'm going to drop that kind of money on it.
To give you an idea of where i am in my tablet phase.
I've already owned a Sylvania SYNET7LP which was full of suck out of the box but with some tweaking became nice little device. One of my biggest issues was typing on it. hence the mention of a slider. if the touchscreen was good enough you could ditch the slider i'm just looking for overall package.
I'm currently in the market for tablet number 2 budget around $250.
the front runner is http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...-capacitive-4GB-512MB-1-0ghz-wholesalers.html
It's missing some of the features i listed but you said "Dream" tablet right?
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a removable battery is also an interesting idea too.
What about battery life/weight? they are hand in hand, with the removable battery I guess the battery could be smaller so the unit could weight less.
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a removable battery also speaks a lot to the life expectancy of the device. removable means replaceable. replaceable means the device was build not to be a disposable device once the battery has been shot.
as for my reasoning for a full size usb it's pure convenience. The Sylvania i have has the damn dongle and it's just one more thing to have to carry and potentially loose.
7" Capactive 2 point Multitouch
800 x 480 resolution
Micro usb for charging
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU 800Mhz or more
256mb RAM
512 -1024 mb ROM
MicroSD slot
Microphone
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
External Speaker of average quality
$150 USD
10" Capactive multipoint Multitouch
1280 x 800 resolution
Micro usb with host mode (so can plug in usb mouse/keybd/external 2.5" HDD)
?Serperate micro usb power jack, so can charge + use microusb at same time
HDMI mini/micro out (720P output)
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU/GPU that is able to decode H264 720P/1080P 4.1 reference frames
512mb RAM (maybe 1024MB)
4GB ROM
MicroSD slot (hot swapable if possible)
Microphone
Front facing 1MP camera
Rear facing 3MP camera (Capable of 720P 30fps video)
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
?Replaceable battery
External Speaker of reasonable quality
$300 USD
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/gadget-talk/127527-dreamphone.html
i made that originally for a dream phone... but considering that smartphones and tablets are "merging" on the same hardware spectrum... i might as well throw that out to anyone who wanted to look... and its NOT specific to WM or Android even so it fits perfect here...
Although, if you look, I didnt stretch the DREAM part as far as some people seem to be able to stretch it, im thinking real work tech available, but phone/carrier company's too stupid (read, they want to milk us all for MAX $$$ instead of just providing one large massive uber pwnage upgrade that would effectively end cycled purchases every year, the greedy fuks)
cheers...
Make some prototypes and hand them to the seasoned devs over here. Im sure everyone would support you.
Wat did you have in mind.
High resolution screen and accurate multitouch is a must.
Oh, and something fast (tegra 2)
10" super amoled like screen with wxga 1280x800
no thicker than 9mm
qualcomm "krait" 2.5 Ghz quadcore
2GB of ram-expandable
32GBx2 ultrathin flash storage modules (ex: toshiba blade x-gale ssd)-expandable
8mp cam rear with 1080p @ 30fps and 720 @ 60fps
2mp front
hdmi/usb/e-sata
all other standard stuff. wifi/bluetooth/4GLTE/etc.
fully unlocked hardware
honeycomb
10hr battery life on
breaking banks here
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7" Capactive 2 point Multitouch
800 x 480 resolution
Micro usb for charging
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU 800Mhz or more
256mb RAM
512 -1024 mb ROM
MicroSD slot
Microphone
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
External Speaker of average quality
$150 USD
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http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/
That is almost exactly what you want Just no GPS unfortunately
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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Xperia Z for me please!
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Will have better colors on the Z tablet
I don't think the price will be the same :fingers-crossed: and it's not gonna get updated that fast
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Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
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The resolution on the XZ is better than the N10 because it's more practical. At 10+ inches away you won't see the difference in PPI between the two displays. And the lower resolution (but still FHD) display will use less CPU/GPU power and battery. Speaking of battery, 6,000 mAh is pretty small for a 10.1" tablet with a S4 Pro CPU and FHD display. That could be the XZ's Achilles Heal. The rest of the specs are indeed impressive.
Stock Android and stock Nexus are so good and at such a low price that they will keep me happy whilst I receive the timely Android updates
Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
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N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
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According to numerous sources and GSMarena the nexus 10 has 3.0
If I need 4G/LTE, I'll just tether it to my Verizon phone I already have.
Otherwise, I see nothing in that list which would cause me to jump ship or even give a second thought about.
More than happy with the design and engineering on the N10.
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Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
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There's a similar debate about the value of PPI going on in the DNA forums. It matters less than you think. This is from that discussion...
BarryH_GEG said:
The biggest discussion point for newer devices like the N10 and now the DNA/Butterfly are their awesome displays. The thing people lose sight of (no pun intended) is that the human eye is only capable of processing and resolving images at a certain level. Any detail beyond that level is literally wasted. The 20/20 human eye has a maximum visual acuity of 1 arcminute. That is, two points must subtend an angle greater than 1 arcminute in order for a 20/20 eye to resolve the two points. What this means for displays is that pixels must have an angular subtense of 1 arcminute or greater in order for your eye to resolve the detail in the content. Detail below 1 arcminute isn't perceived by the human eye any differently whether a display has 267 PPI or 441 PPI. This is the reason Apple landed on the resolution they did hence the name "retina display." For example, the N2 has an arcminute subtense of 1.073 arcminutes which is nearly perfect and it has a PPI of 267. The DNA has an acrminute subtense of .66 and PPI of 441 which is a waste because anything below "1" can't be resolved by the human eye.
So super high definition displays are more a marketing gimmick, draw more CPU power, and drain the battery faster with the end result being your eyes won't notice any difference. I don't know what the exact numbers are for the Note and N10 but at 147 PPI the Note's above 1 arcminute and at 299 PPI the N10's below it. So you'll notice a difference on text and CGI (but not images and video) but it's not as pronounced as some people here have said unless they have super-human vision. And with the new fixation on resolution things like brightness, contrast, and color accuracy get swept under the rug because all people are focusing on is a PPI count rather than the actual quality of the display. In those areas the Note’s display outperforms the N10’s. And the 1080P display on the DNA isn’t as good in those areas as the 720P display on the One X it's supposedly better than. Remember that when you're salivating over a 441 PPI 1080P smartphone that’s going to be hyped to death this year.
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orangechoochoo said:
I bet if the Note2 had a 1080 screen owners would brag about it instead of saying that you can't tell the difference. If we cannot discern the difference between 720 and 1080 way is the S4 and other phones coming out with 1080 since it makes no difference?
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BarryH_GEG said:
You realize that with the human eye being the lowest common denominator the selection of PPI is being done ass backwards? Deciding on the optimum PPI for any given device should be an arithmatec equation; not manufacturers arbitrarily pulling numbers our of thier butts to out-feature each other. The above posts that talk about what the human eye can process are irrefutable fact. With an arcminute of "1" ideal for the human eye to process detail, the manufacturers should pick the lowest PPI that acheives "1" arcminute at 10-12" away which is the typical distance a smartphone is viewed. Why the lowest? Because the higher the PPI the bigger the drain on the battery, GPU, and CPU. And why reduce the performance of a device when the end result is the human eye can't process the additional detail being provided anyway? In addition, to achieve higher PPI, displays are suffering in brightness, contrast, and color reproduction. But nobody cares because they get to tell their friends "look, I've got a 1080P display!" Based on the numbers, outside of PPI, the One X has a better display than the DNA. It wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened between the SGS3's 720P display and the SGS4's 1080P display (unless SAMOLED scales differently). In the end none of this matters because whether it makes sense or not we're all going to end up with 1080P displays one way or the other because that's where manufacturer's marketing is taking us.
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And this is a good article explaining why pics and videos won't seem any sharper on a 720P, 1080P, or the N10's unique resolution display. And everything gets upscaled on the N10 which doesn't help with detail and image quality.
For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
I skimmed through your post and I apologize beforehand if I'm missing some nuances in your post, but I think you misread my post completely. The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text which is why I mentioned "text clarity." It is also why I said, if there is a sudden surge of 1440p displays, the N10's high resolution will be better than 1080p. This is simply because 1080p displays will be considered old tech and designers and such will move on to support 1440p displays. The chances of 1440p being adopted to be the standard this year is probably 0%.
I never said it mattered. In fact I always thought PPI is a gimmick and will always be a gimmick beyond 220ish.
Also, just to put it out there, I maintain a theme to up-res the icons on the N10 so those icons don't get upscaled; I'm pretty sure I know what drawbacks there are with having such a high resolution screen.
Another thing - you talk about image quality, but you quote someone talking about photos. Things that are drawn on a computer will be clearer than a photo by a long shot. Those types of images can take advantage of such a high resolution screen. Photography on the other hand really doesn't matter what resolution you view it on for the reason you quoted.
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The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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You're right in that if you hold it 10" away you won't see a difference. Unfortunately not all people do and there will always be people who can discern that difference.
I am also considering the Xperia Z tablet against the Nexus 10, here's a better comparison (taken from GSMArena).
Nexus 10
General 2G Network N/A
SIM No
Body Dimensions 263.9 x 177.6 x 8.9 mm (10.39 x 6.99 x 0.35 in)
Weight 603 g (1.33 lb)
Display Type Super PLS TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 2560 x 1600 pixels, 10.1 inches (~299 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 2
Sound Alert types N/A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot No
Internal 16/32 GB, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA
Bluetooth Yes, v3.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes, dual side
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 5 MP, 2592х1936 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, check quality
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected], check quality
Secondary Yes, 1.9 MP
Features OS Android OS, v4.2 (Jelly Bean), upgradable to v4.2.1 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Exynos 5250
CPU Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15
GPU Mali-T604
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Messaging Email, Push Email, IM, RSS
Browser HTML5
Radio No
GPS Yes, with GLONASS
Java No
Colors Black
- SNS integration
- HDMI port
- MP4/H.264/DivX/WMV player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/WMA/Flac player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 9000 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 500 h
Talk time Up to 9 h (multimedia)
Misc SAR US 1.38 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.21 W/kg (body)
Price group [About 310 EUR]
Tests Display Contrast ratio: 878 (nominal)
Loudspeaker Voice 68dB / Noise 66dB / Ring 67dB
Audio quality Noise -82.3dB / Crosstalk -81.4dB
Camera Photo / Video
Xperia Z Tablet
General 2G Network
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 2100 / 800
4G Network LTE 1800 / 1500 / 2100
SIM Micro-SIM
Announced 2013, January
Status Coming soon. Exp. release 2013, Q1
Body Dimensions 266 x 172 x 6.9 mm (10.47 x 6.77 x 0.27 in)
Weight 495 g (1.09 lb)
- IP57 certified - dust and water proof
Display Type LED-backlit LCD, capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 1200 x 1920 pixels, 10.1 inches (~224 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
- Sony Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2
Sound Alert types N\A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
- 3D surround sound enhancement
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 64 GB
Internal 32 GB storage, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
Speed HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 37.5 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps DL
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n, dual-band, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes
USB Yes, v2.0
Camera Primary 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, 2.2 MP, [email protected]
Features OS Android OS, v4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), planned upgrade to v4.2 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8064
CPU Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait
GPU Adreno 320
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, compass
Messaging Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML
Radio No
GPS Yes
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Black, White
- SNS integration
- MP4/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player
- Organizer
- Document viewer
- Photo viewer/editor
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 6000 mAh battery
If it was $399.99 and battery didn't suck I would probably get it. It also depends on whether or not I sell my Nexus 4 for a Xperia Z. My tablet will match my phone. Lol
Also depends on which is available in Canada first. More nexus 10 shipments or the the Xperia Z tablet in Canada
I also wish that they stuck with the 9.4 inch screen of their older models.
Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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299ppi>224ppi. I can see a big difference between 299 and 224 ppi. I prefer the nexus 10. I want 4k on 10".
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and it's not gonna get updated that fast
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Sony is one of the most AOSP friendly manufactures out there so I doubt it. I am a Nexus guy for life but Sony builds some quality stuff and are good with updates. As fast as Nexus no, but they won't Samsung it and sit on an update for a year and update it at the same time Google releases that versions replacement.
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Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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The upper-bound threshold's been set by the Note 10.1 (32GB $549), N10 (32GB $499), and TF700 (32GB $499). So with 32GB of storage the Xperia Z won't be more than $499 (the Note gets away with more because of S Pen). If Sony's smart they'll price it at $449 to gain some traction in the market. Asus only sold 250K 10.1" tablets a month in Q3 and the TF300 had a MSRP of $349. High-end Android tablets just don't sell well. The Note 10.1 was selling a million a month in Q3 so that makes it an exception. We'll see if that run rate continued in to Q4 when analysts disect Samsung's earnings. Also keep in mind that the specs shown are for the Japanese market Xperia Z. The global and U.S versions could be different. And until something's confirmed at MWC next month we don't even know for sure if there will be global and U.S. versions.
Honor 10 WishlistThe Honor 9 was a big improvement over the Honor 8, taking many people's criticisms and implementing new features to fix them. For owners of the Honor 9, what are you hoping to see in the next installment of this phone line? What can the Honor 10 do to be even better?
Here are some things I would like to see in the next phone:
1440 x 2560 Resolution
Android Oreo
3500+ mAh battery
Improved selfie camera
Water resistant
What would you like to see in the Honor 10?
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Camera optical stabilization
Steel on back
Biggest battery
Stereo reproductors
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Hope for Snapdragon chipset
Rommco05 said:
Something realistic
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If this happens with uni metal body , i will select honor again.
Add only stereo speakers to what you already said, it'll be perfect
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Kirin 970 + metal body + stereo rep + bigger battery + little bit bigger screen
Anyway I will buy Honor 10
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Snapdragon
Adreno gpu> 540 may be new one
Bigger battery >3500
Metal body
Stero speakers
Fingerprint -backside it would be perfect,front side looks ugly and covers the phone space
Android oreo
Quick charging.
Forget snapdragon, honor will never use something other than kirin chipset in its higher end devices
Honor 5x has tons of ROMs because of SD
I hope for SD.
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Headphones jack
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That's an Essential (pun intended)
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Headphones jack
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If they don't add it , it would be definetly a failure.
For me definately:
1. Optical Image Stabilization
2. OLED Screen
I want a side mounted fingerprint scanner/power button.
That would be awesome
Many of are not fans of side mounted fps.by side mounting it was is difficult to use other hand finger.
Honor 9 is a great phone and after two months still a pleasure to use everyday.
I would like the Honor 10 to have almost exactly the same design as Honor 9 which is beautiful, but transposed onto the body dimensions of the Honor 6x, with a 5.5" screen with 1440x2560 resolution. This size will allow a better battery life. Keep the fps where it is on a front home button. Update the chipset to Kirin 970, go one generation better for Gorilla Glass (I believe this means updating to Gorilla Glass 3), waterproof that, and I will definitely buy it.
keep the dimension, if possible increase battery capacity, ois and oled screen for better low light and better battery life. oh, and stereo speaker? wait, waterproofing too.
Narrow frame
Top and bottom sides have big parts than it needs.
Screen body ratio is terrible for this quality
Front facing stereo speakers
What I would like to see on the Honor 10:
Screen:
- same size, I like one handed usability
Body:
- metal unibody for better heat dissipation and less fragility
- waterproofing would be nice
- headphone jack is a must
- fingerprint on the back, for smaller bezzels, maybe
Camera:
- at least f/1.9 aperture, for low ligh, same sensors, same autofocus
- OIS
Performance:
- Kirin 970
- 4GB RAM + 64GB flash should be enough
- again, heat dissipation
Software:
- at least two years of constant updates.
- this is the biggest flaw of Huawei devices, the lack of updates after the first year. And it's becoming a bigger issue, as time passes and bad reputation grows. Get your **** together Huawei
Misc:
- IR blaster is always nice
-in order to keep the price in the same range of sub 400 Euros, I'd keep a similar battery, screen, fast charging options, maybe even USB standard, stereo speakers and other fancy stuff. If you're into that, go for the Huawei P or Mate series
- I feel that as long as the latest Honor device outperforms last year's Galaxy, while keeping a low price, it should do ok. And yes, except for waterproofing, I believe the Honor 9 is a better device than the S7
18:9 display aspect screen since it's the new trend.
Improved audio ( since huawei has been rated the lowest quality of audio output).
Stereo speakers.
Rest what you said.
I hope Honor/Huawei listens us.
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Hope for Snapdragon chipset
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That is probably never gonna happen. As the Honor is owned by Huawei and they do prefer to use their own HiSilicon Kirin SOCs. Which is much better than Qualcomm's Snapdragon's range of SOCs.
Ois in camera?
Dualsim AND sdcard
According to the following news article,
https://www.gizchina.com/2017/11/17/sony-h8521-pro-a-appears-gfxbench-next-flagship-sony/
Sony might be finally preparing their long overdue rival to the biggest phones on the market aka the real Phablets. It appears we may finally see the successor to the Xperia Z Ultra, which was my first real phablet and then I switched to Huawei P8 Max and now with Asus ZF3U but I think Sony's new phone if it becomes real in January's CES or Feb's MWC 2018 will be a game changer.
I still like my ZF3U but I always thought that the top and bottom bezels could have been reduced to accommodate a larger screen, possibly with a bit of a curve without compromising overall size of the device beyond 7.5" inches (the most ideal Phablet size)
It appears with Sony's new design language changes coming and the claimed size of 7.4" the new device will most likely be my next phone. I hope someone from Sony or Asus will listen and make the next big phone bigger without big bezels and better with flagship specs. Here is what I want to see in the next ZF3U or a Sony XZU Sucessor:
-7.4" 2k or 4k bezelless display preferably with 3D and AR capabilities and dedicated display options, in menu for dpi and other adjustments.
-QC SD 845 CPU
-128GB OR 256GB ROM
-6-8gb RAM
-Dual Sim with dedicated 2nd sim slot-non hybrid slot
-MicroSD card expansion
-Dual front and dual rear cameras positioned in the centre without a bulge to protect the lens and possibly with ZF3 AR style surround for better visuals or with a protective slide cover.
-3.5mm Audio Jack- yes it is a basic feature but we need to keep it
-NFC and IR Blaster (basic features that should now be common and not a wish in this day and age- still not sure why the ZF3U does not have NFC enabled)
-4600 or higher mah battery with quick charge and wireless charge
-Quad Speakers Positioned in all corners or 2 speakers with one on top and one, on bottom with at least the same or higher quality and loudness of the ZF3U
-A STYLUS Pen Integrated into the Phone is long overdue.
-Android 8.1 Near Stock UI with customizations similar to Flyme OS and with the best of the Huawei and Samsung implementations and side menu implementation in phone and all app settings-very useful for navigating settings in an app or phone.
-Dedicated Fingerprint scanner on the rear centre of the device as well as all the other locks such as pin, face, retina, iris etc… . bring it on.
-Dual Type C Ports (Charge and HDMI over Type C)
-Dedicated QWERTY Keyboard Dock style accessory with similar functionality to that of Samsung Dex or Huawei's Mate 10 style display over HDMI.
Thats it from me, enough wishful thinking. Hope somone from Sony, Asus or Huawei reads too. Now lets hear what everyone thinks! Enjoy!
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According to the following news article,
https://www.gizchina.com/2017/11/17/sony-h8521-pro-a-appears-gfxbench-next-flagship-sony/
Sony might be finally preparing their long overdue rival to the biggest phones on the market aka the real Phablets. It appears we may finally see the successor to the Xperia Z Ultra, which was my first real phablet and then I switched to Huawei P8 Max and now with Asus ZF3U but I think Sony's new phone if it becomes real in January's CES or Feb's MWC 2018 will be a game changer.
I still like my ZF3U but I always thought that the top and bottom bezels could have been reduced to accommodate a larger screen, possibly with a bit of a curve without compromising overall size of the device beyond 7.5" inches (the most ideal Phablet size)
It appears with Sony's new design language changes coming and the claimed size of 7.4" the new device will most likely be my next phone. I hope someone from Sony or Asus will listen and make the next big phone bigger without big bezels and better with flagship specs. Here is what I want to see in the next ZF3U or a Sony XZU Sucessor:
-7.4" 2k or 4k bezelless display preferably with 3D and AR capabilities and dedicated display options, in menu for dpi and other adjustments.
-QC SD 845 CPU
-128GB OR 256GB ROM
-6-8gb RAM
-Dual Sim with dedicated 2nd sim slot-non hybrid slot
-MicroSD card expansion
-Dual front and dual rear cameras positioned in the centre without a bulge to protect the lens and possibly with ZF3 AR style surround for better visuals or with a protective slide cover.
-3.5mm Audio Jack- yes it is a basic feature but we need to keep it
-NFC and IR Blaster (basic features that should now be common and not a wish in this day and age- still not sure why the ZF3U does not have NFC enabled)
-4600 or higher mah battery with quick charge and wireless charge
-Quad Speakers Positioned in all corners or 2 speakers with one on top and one, on bottom with at least the same or higher quality and loudness of the ZF3U
-A STYLUS Pen Integrated into the Phone is long overdue.
-Android 8.1 Near Stock UI with customizations similar to Flyme OS and with the best of the Huawei and Samsung implementations and side menu implementation in phone and all app settings-very useful for navigating settings in an app or phone.
-Dedicated Fingerprint scanner on the rear centre of the device as well as all the other locks such as pin, face, retina, iris etc… . bring it on.
-Dual Type C Ports (Charge and HDMI over Type C)
-Dedicated QWERTY Keyboard Dock style accessory with similar functionality to that of Samsung Dex or Huawei's Mate 10 style display over HDMI.
Thats it from me, enough wishful thinking. Hope somone from Sony, Asus or Huawei reads too. Now lets hear what everyone thinks! Enjoy!
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I hope to see a new huge screen phablet with proper band support but I think only Xiaomi will do even with no full support of bands.
I just got my ZenFone 3 ultra to be sure that I will have a big screen phone until something good come to market.
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Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
PLATFORMOSAndroid 11Android 11ChipsetQualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)Qualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)CPUOcta-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)GPUAdreno 660Adreno 660
MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", 1.8µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.3, 70mm (telephoto), f/2.8, 105mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", Dual Pixel PDAF, 3x/4.4x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.6", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)FeaturesZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, 12-bit RAW, HDR, eye trackingZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, HDR, eye trackingVideo[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS
SELFIE CAMERAModules8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µmFeaturesHDRHDRVideo[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakersYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackYesYes 24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system
COMMSWLANWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotBluetooth5.2, A2DP, aptX HD, LE5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HDGPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSNFCYesYesInfrared portNoNoRadioNoNoUSBUSB Type-C 3.2; USB On-The-Go, DisplayPortUSB Type-C 3.1; USB On-The-Go, video output
FEATURESSensorsFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrumFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrum Native Sony Alpha camera supportNative Sony Alpha camera support
BATTERYTypeLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableChargingFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
USB Power DeliveryFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
Fast wireless charging
Reverse wireless charging
USB Power DeliveryStand-byTalk time
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
saved-j said:
most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
saved-j said:
you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....