First and foremost, I absolutely don't want anyone to think I'm complaining about developers or anything like that. I certainly appreciate everyone's hard work when they are putting together roms for any phone.
That being said, I am just curious why there are so few roms for the T-mobile Galaxy S5. I had the S1-S4 for Sprint and all of them had tons and tons of roms. All those roms had lots of theme work and unique items. I am not seeing any of that on the T-mobile side. Is this variant preventing that or is there just not enough love for it?
Just as an example.. check out these rom for the sprint S5....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s5/development/rom-team-nocturnalunofficalcm-11-0-t2883072
There is not too much of a difference between two touchwiz Roms. Its pointless to have same thing packadged with different names. I love the couple of options that are available in T-Mobile.
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In order for the rom to work with wifi calling it has to retain the touchwiz base, and like ceo.mtcl said theres only so much you can change. There is a CM rom available for the device, i gave it a test run on my G900T. It ran great but without wifi calling its almost useless to me
ok so am i missing something in these roms? none of them look any different than a stock rom. All of the icons are the same, the fonts are the same the notification panel is the same, there isn't any theming (sp? lol). Everyone defaults to use some wanam (which didnt work at all for me), but that's pretty limited. I'm sad in my pants right now lol....
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ok so am i missing something in these roms? none of them look any different than a stock rom. All of the icons are the same, the fonts are the same the notification panel is the same, there isn't any theming (sp? lol). Everyone defaults to use some wanam (which didnt work at all for me), but that's pretty limited. I'm sad in my pants right now lol....
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Have you checked the Unified Development section? And yes, since the arrival of Xposed, members can now do a lot to their phones rather than the developer spend 100's of hours themeing all the elements of a ROM and have a post every other day saying "it is too blue". It is comments like that that have pushed developers into saying "why bother". You cannot make everyone happy with how you theme something and members forget that these ROMs are made for the developers, and they decided to share...it is not their jobs and they are not getting paid for those ROMs. But NOW the power is in your hands thanks to Wanam and everyone working on toolboxes to allow you to do more. Not enough? There a several icon changing apps on Play. There is also Themer. Add that to all the awesome flagship phones released almost every 9 months by many manufacturers. A lot of developers have wanted a challenge so tried something new and changed manufacturers. So yeah...you won't see 30 TW ROMs anymore.
Also add Verizon and AT&T with locked bootloaders discouraging developers.
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Have you checked the Unified Development section? And yes, since the arrival of Xposed, members can now do a lot to their phones rather than the developer spend 100's of hours themeing all the elements of a ROM and have a post every other day saying "it is too blue". It is comments like that that have pushed developers into saying "why bother". You cannot make everyone happy with how you theme something and members forget that these ROMs are made for the developers, and they decided to share...it is not their jobs and they are not getting paid for those ROMs. But NOW the power is in your hands thanks to Wanam and everyone working on toolboxes to allow you to do more. Not enough? There a several icon changing apps on Play. There is also Themer. Add that to all the awesome flagship phones released almost every 9 months by many manufacturers. A lot of developers have wanted a challenge so tried something new and changed manufacturers. So yeah...you won't see 30 TW ROMs anymore.
Also add Verizon and AT&T with locked bootloaders discouraging developers.
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my thoughts exactly, well said Kenny!
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While I agree with Kenny on his viewpoint, I see go blues point as well. I, personally, prefer a more pure aosp rom myself. There is a lack of aosp development/releases for our device. I'm still running srock/unrooted, until a solid aosp rom drops, which I believe hasn't happened yet due to kernel development? Icons are themed and running ADW launcher to change icons and themes to keep things clean, but themes are still limited. Don't get me wrong, love the s5, mad respect and thanks to all the devs doing their work, but I see his point. Cheers!
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While I agree with Kenny on his viewpoint, I see go blues point as well. I, personally, prefer a more pure aosp rom myself. There is a lack of aosp development/releases for our device. I'm still running srock/unrooted, until a solid aosp rom drops, which I believe hasn't happened yet due to kernel development? Icons are themed and running ADW launcher to change icons and themes to keep things clean, but themes are still limited. Don't get me wrong, love the s5, mad respect and thanks to all the devs doing their work, but I see his point. Cheers!
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Looks like a lot of the "flavors" of AOSP are covered: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/unified-development
My guess is there would be a lot more if the bigger 2 carriers AT&T and Verizon hadn't made AOSP impossible with their locked bootloaders. That would seem to be the main reason for lower development after the S3s.
Reason also is the S5 is not as popular as thought, many were sold, but to users that could care less about doing custom roms, and the age group is probably the younger crowd. The OS is simply awful.
Correct me if I'm wrong, we can probably flash the ones from unified development no?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, we can probably flash the ones from unified development no?
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yes you can as long as you dont care about tripping knox.
But be warned, Make sure you only flash something that is designed for the s5 and something that has been tested and works on the s5.. You can still brick the phone if you make some stupid mistakes or decisions.
Remember that Flashing the phone is your responsibilty. So if you screw up and brick, dont blame anyone for your mistakes. Reading and searching is your best friend, before you flash anything to your phone.
Yeah to flash anything from there you would have needed a custom recovery this tripping the Knox counter.
Even if there were aosp roms for our specific device, I doubt that would be different. Since aosp roms all have custom kernels that would trip Knox anyway
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Correct me if I'm wrong, we can probably flash the ones from unified development no?
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Look 2 posts above yours. I already linked to that section...the answer is yes.
I live in a area where I need wifi calling, so.. I've never had the option to be free with ROMs, really sucks .. what I want, is a Nexus... or a One Plus phone, but I'm stuck.. what can ya do lol
I know how OP feels, i personally will be getting the Nexus 6 when it releases or the Z3 and retiring the galaxy s5
I appreciate the hard work the few devs we have working on our phone have been doing but this is like the galaxy note 2 community imho, i got the phone with the hopes that the community will be like the galaxy s4
in addition to the unified ROM's i have been able to get a ton of these TW roms to work on my tmobile s5 simply by flashing a t mobile kernal right after the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/development
eh, custom roms
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in addition to the unified ROM's i have been able to get a ton of these TW roms to work on my tmobile s5 simply by flashing a t mobile kernal right after the rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s5/development
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I use the Omega rom with TMO modem and it's great. Although iB4STiD's roms are great as well.
Flash Internation ROMs then?
Only thing you'll lose is Wifi Calling.
Hang tight cause its about to pour on the S5 forum...The Sicness is coming...
@The Sickness
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Just curious to know if developers think the note is that bad? I am surprised that at this time with a totally unlocked Note there is only 4 give or take ROMs available for us, which in reality only 2 are kept up to date.
Yet, i browsed the T-mobile section and there are more than a handful with constant updating....
I know one of the main reasons is the price of the Note, developers do this for free and to obtain a note it obviously cost money...but is that the only reason?
What are your thoughts?
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My thoughts are that there are already three or me threads complaining about the development. We don't need more, build your own ROM if you think we need more.
Also, learn to count. There are 3-4 TW ROMs, and Eclipse will be dropping soon. They're are also multiple AOSP ROMs (liquid smooth, beans, AOKP, official cm10.1 to name a few)
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I thought the same when I bought my s3 and it picked up. I just upgraded to the note2 and like that scottsroms and beans are available. They are solid builds and there are plenty of mods that are available to accent those. There are more coming from what I understand so be patient. I think the biggest problem for us is verizon messing with our bootloader all the time.
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Keep in mind, VZW was the last carrier to release the note2. That, coupled with the fact that with the exception of the gnex, a lot of the top tier unlockable bootloader devices are on other carriers...
It continues to improve and the phone has only been around for ~3 months.
t0ltecdma getting official cm10.1 is a huge step in the right direction.
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My thoughts are that there are already three or me threads complaining about the development. We don't need more, build your own ROM if you think we need more.
Also, learn to count. There are 3-4 TW ROMs, and Eclipse will be dropping soon. They're are also multiple AOSP ROMs (liquid smooth, beans, AOKP, official cm10.1 to name a few)
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Well no need to start with the insults...i said "4 give or take" . The 2 roms that i said are kept up to date from what i found is CleanROM and Beans, (ok there may be AOKP and others) but i am attached to TW and i have used both and have no complaints, but i am like the majority of the members here, i like to try different roms here and there nothing wrong with that, right?.
If i knew how or had the time to build a ROM i would, unfortunately i don't so i let the professionals do the nasty work, I am not demanding the devs to hurry up, it was just a simple question to try to get my self educated on the lack of devs for the note 2.
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Keep in mind, VZW was the last carrier to release the note2. That, coupled with the fact that with the exception of the gnex, a lot of the top tier unlockable bootloader devices are on other carriers...
It continues to improve and the phone has only been around for ~3 months.
t0ltecdma getting official cm10.1 is a huge step in the right direction.
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I fully understand, i was just curious to know as i had the S3 since release, and as soon as the bootloader got unlocked the Development of it went higher.
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Well no need to start with the insults...i said "4 give or take" . The 2 roms that i said are kept up to date from what i found is CleanROM and Beans, (ok there may be AOKP and others) but i am attached to TW and i have used both and have no complaints, but i am like the majority of the members here, i like to try different roms here and there nothing wrong with that, right?.
If i knew how or had the time to build a ROM i would, unfortunately i don't so i let the professionals do the nasty work, I am not demanding the devs to hurry up, it was just a simple question to try to get my self educated on the lack of devs for the note 2.
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Well there is beans, clean lite, the Verizon clean, a 4.2.1 clean. Eclipse will be here very shortly and the dev of jedi said his is coming soon too. Also, whether it's your favorite or not the AOSP based are still development and those are piling up.
By the I would have flashed a different ROM every day on my s3 so I know about switching it up. My point was we keep getting these threads when I personally think one asking why there isn't more development is to many.
But to answer your question it's a 600 phone (developers work for free) that's been out for 3 months and had a locked (then relocked) boot loader.
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If you actually look at most of these roms on other carriers you'll see that they're just re-themes and the same combination of kitchen tweaks. In other words, just slightly different flavors of the same framework. I seriously don't feel like we're missing out on anything. Not to mention most of these roms on other carriers will port over just fine, it takes about the time and effort required to complain on an internet forum about a problem you could fix yourself.
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If you actually look at most of these roms on other carriers you'll see that they're just re-themes and the same combination of kitchen tweaks. In other words, just slightly different flavors of the same framework. I seriously don't feel like we're missing out on anything. Not to mention most of these roms on other carriers will port over just fine, it takes about the time and effort required to complain on an internet forum about a problem you could fix yourself.
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Well there is beans, clean lite, the Verizon clean, a 4.2.1 clean. Eclipse will be here very shortly and the dev of jedi said his is coming soon too. Also, whether it's your favorite or not the AOSP based are still development and those are piling up.
By the I would have flashed a different ROM every day on my s3 so I know about switching it up. My point was we keep getting these threads when I personally think one asking why there isn't more development is to many.
But to answer your question it's a 600 phone (developers work for free) that's been out for 3 months and had a locked (then relocked) boot loader.
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Liquid too!
As long as I have Eclipse I have no need to flash anything else. Not putting the other roms down I have ran clean rom and beans and they are good roms. But Eclipse is all I need
As long as I have Beans & my favorite red/black theme, I don't need anything else myself.....
I think this device has the perfect amount of development...I like the fact there is not 100 versions of the same thing cluttering up the dev section.
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My thoughts are that there are already three or me threads complaining about the development. We don't need more, build your own ROM if you think we need more.
Also, learn to count. There are 3-4 TW ROMs, and Eclipse will be dropping soon. They're are also multiple AOSP ROMs (liquid smooth, beans, AOKP, official cm10.1 to name a few)
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Beans isn't an AOSP rom, it's just themed that way.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
Beans isn't an AOSP rom, it's just themed that way.
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Yes I meant baked bean. Didn't want to type it out. I'm running beans
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37374134
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Well there is beans, clean lite, the Verizon clean, a 4.2.1 clean. Eclipse will be here very shortly and the dev of jedi said his is coming soon too. Also, whether it's your favorite or not the AOSP based are still development and those are piling up.
By the I would have flashed a different ROM every day on my s3 so I know about switching it up. My point was we keep getting these threads when I personally think one asking why there isn't more development is to many.
But to answer your question it's a 600 phone (developers work for free) that's been out for 3 months and had a locked (then relocked) boot loader.
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What did I miss? Where is 4.2.1 clean for the Note 2?
The Note 2 just received official CM 10.1 nightlies, so once some of the kinks are ironed out (which may not be until Samsung releases a 4.2 update), we'll probably see a lot more development coming. CM 10.1 is the base for pretty much every rom except AOKP and PA. And again, we only have official nightly builds so far, not official "stable" builds and that may deter a few devs until we see full blown support.
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What did I miss? Where is 4.2.1 clean for the Note 2?
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Boy I was full of typos I meant 4.1.2
And just since my typing was horrible, this is the one I meant
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37284311
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Hate to say it but looks like some Note 2 TW devs are leaving the phone. Seems they are vanishing weekly. Too bad because there were some great ROMs out there and I hate to see some of them go for the VZW variant. Really sad that VZW and Samsung are making things so difficult for devs these days. Makes me wonder if they left it open just long enough to steal hard working dev ideas for themselves without having to pay an R&D department to test the OS. Looks like AOSP 4.3 ROMs are starting to take off though, and with the addition of the App Bar, Halo and a host of other mods by great devs we still have a few options. That coupled with great mod apps in the Play Store you can almost get the TW experience with AOSP now.
Or maybe they are moving on to other projects until we get the 4.3 TW update. Then, hopefully some of them will return and develop for one of the top devices still on the market. The Note 3 will most likely be locked down like the S4 so I am thinking the Note 2 may be the last great Samsung device open to rooting and having the ability to flash custom ROMs.
To all the devs that made (or still making) great TW ROMs for our VZW Note 2, thanks for all your hard work. I know I have enjoyed being able to try different ROMs and tinkering with them. You all deserve donations and our gratitude. You guys and gals make the Android experience enjoyable for all of us.
I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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Hopefully thats the case. Or it may be time to switch carriers. Kinda tired of VZW and their procedures anyway.
If I could I'd leave for an att mnvo but I can't
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I'm sure they will be back when we get the 4.3 update. This is the only phone that has an unlockable bootloader, with TW on verizon that's actually decent.
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What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
Also keep in mind that the xposed framework has removed a lot of the necessity for a true custom rom as it does just about everything that previously had to be hardcoded in. Most custom roms anymore are really just themes with xposed installed by default.
kimdoocheol said:
What's wrong with the s3?
I'm sure the s4 will have an unlocked bootloader soon, especially with the 3k+ bounty.
TBH, this is what always happens. it makes sense that the devs move back to the latest phone. plus the note 3 is coming out soon too, so, yeah, pretty sure what happened to the s3 will happen to the note 2.
at first I really liked TW, but then I switched to the PACman rom and I haven't looked back. the features on TW are nice, but honestly I don't use them that much. i know every user varies, but there are a lot of apps out there that replace TW functionality. I really haven't noticed since switching. I just was unhappy being on 4.1.
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The S4 wont be unlocked...however Im sure something like Kexec or Safestrap will be used to work around the Locked Bootloader. If you read into the details of Qualcomm processors and qfuses, you will quickly learn its pretty much impossible.
JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Agreed. I actually missed my GS3 for about 2 months until the N2 ROMs started picking up. Now I'm digging PAC Man 4.3 and can't wait to see what happens with TW 4.3. Just hope the devs migrate back eventually. The N2 is a great device.
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JB is still a very active rom, as is Nebula. One of the problems I have run into is that many of the roms are built on the international base. Cleanrom was the perfect rom for me but unfortunately Scott has moved on.
Jellybeans = very active, but I personally seem to always have little issues, I have however never seen anyone else with them.
Cleanrom = dead, but rock solid stable for me
Transnebula = Great support, and very active, however the tab UI just does not work for me... I would KILL to have these guys put together something like clean rom but with floating multiwindow. (One of the devs is also f&*(ing Batman in disguise I swear, listening to his gadget list is bloody awesome)
Lab Rats = a theme beast, but I am not really into theming, seems to me there is always something not quite right with custom themes.
There are also a few international based roms that are very active.
Edit: Oh yeah, also beware flashing Lab Rats at work unless you want your co-workers making fun of you for the boot up sound
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Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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Beans just got a Moto X so I hope he builds for the N2 still after 4.3 drops.
Haven't tried Trans yet. Not a big tablet UI fan.
Still need to try the newest Lab Rats
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I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
We have patches to run roms from other carriers, as well as rock solid roms that work flawlessly. X posed has opened up almost endless possibilities, and active themers(<is this even a word?) )help the look of a lot of the roms we do have. One of the best things we have is a bunch of good natured members willing to help, and learn. This goes a long way. New developers are born every day. Some will leave, some will stay. Heck Deckoz just started. Trans nebula is his first rom. This phone is a nice piece of kit, and unless I can get a xperia xl super cheap, and working flawless on Verizon, then I am staying put for awhile. You guys are stuck with me.
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I could not imagine going from the Note 2 to the Moto X lol
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Honestly it's a gorgeous device. Almost pure android on it, some nice moto features. I would get it if I didn't have a note. It's honestly still in the back of my mind to get one. It's smaller yeah but it's got a really nice feel in the hand. Very smooth running device
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Feel the same as the op but remaining hopeful and patient. Really sad to see cleanrom go and nothing really along those lines. I like beans also and not sure how much more he can do with it until there's a 4.3 to work off of. I've been messing with nova themes and other mods to keep me busy. That and just enjoying the phone with what we have.
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Nova and the host of goodies and apps has made the TW experience more enjoyable until 4.3 drops. I realize the TW devs are limited until the next update. Heck I flashed back to Beans just to mess with X Posed since I really never have in TW roms.
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SSLauncher is pretty cool as well. Looking forward to trying all kinds of possibilities.
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ExFAT and AOSP
kennyglass123 said:
As a TW ROM author for the S3 I can tell you guys TW has its limits and there is only so much we can do so we are all awaiting the 4.3 upgrade. We can mess around with themes and included apps, inverting things, but there are limits. It is not like TW has a nightly source code to keep building from. Just be patient and maybe play with some different themes.
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Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
abe_cedar said:
Kenny,
Since your are reading ( and cleaning- thanks!) a lot of posts I wonder if you have seen any ExFat support for AOSP roms.Actually I want to be able to format a 64GB sandisk and be able see all ( most) of 64G and be able to put files larger than 4G.
Any AOSP roms/kernels with such support?
Many thanks
Abe
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Looks like it is mostly CM 10.1 support but found these : http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=Exfat on cM
Updates are great, but since TW has its own limitations and we've had 4.1.2 for how long now? Tweaks can only be so tweaky! 4.3 will breathe alot of new life into our phone. I am not upgrading to the N3 lest something makes it more desirable. But seeing that we get the same update it will have, I am willing to wait a month to see what happens.
I have the gs3 now, but I'm thinking about buying the note 2, and I was looking through the roms section for this phone. there are not many roms for this phone. Why is this? Is it because the spen? I don't know. I was just wondering. Thanks
wily5150 said:
I have the gs3 now, but I'm thinking about buying the note 2, and I was looking through the roms section for this phone. there are not many roms for this phone. Why is this? Is it because the spen? I don't know. I was just wondering. Thanks
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Xposed makes custom roms unnecessary in general.
wily5150 said:
I have the gs3 now, but I'm thinking about buying the note 2, and I was looking through the roms section for this phone. there are not many roms for this phone. Why is this? Is it because the spen? I don't know. I was just wondering. Thanks
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Probably for one, the locked bootloader and because the N3 is already out. There are a lot of custom ROMs though, at least enough to find one you really like. Most people just choose to run Beans or an AOSP rom. You can easily replace a lot of TW functionality through different apps with AOSP roms, though.
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Xposed makes custom roms unnecessary in general.
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I would say that this is definitely true for some, but for others, no, Xposed doesn't make custom roms unnecessary.
There may not be the plethora you were hoping for, but the roms are top notch. Every one I've tired is a solid daily driver and still sports great features.
Thanks for the reply's guys
To take a stab at the spen question. The international note 2 has spen but more roms so I think it has more to do with Verizon as our carrier. And maybe for those of us here we have all been really happy with what we've got to play with... I dunno some just want a good debloated and customized TW rom in order to have full functionality of the spen.
also if you look at the amount of thread reads you can see which ones are more popular than others. I will say that Touchwiz based ROMs are easier to deal with (in my opinion) than AOSP/CM ROMs. The main differences between them is in the name, you maintain the Touchwiz S-Pen and other touchwiz functionality.
I went from the S3 to the N2. I miss all of the diversity of the S3 community but I do not regret switching at all. I love the phone and everything that goes with it.
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I got the N3 home last night
So far this phone is pretty awesome. I'm still going through all the setting. I will be rooted this weekend for sure. The phone is pretty quick to
Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?
Imo phone is solid out of the box. I have a 6p to mess around with.
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What "development" do you expect? With Xposed and a plethora of modules, there really is no need for specialized custom ROMs. All you need is a rock-solid base and off you go. You can even theme everything in the phone with the LG Apps Theme Engine.
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What "development" do you expect? With Xposed and a plethora of modules, there really is no need for specialized custom ROMs. All you need is a rock-solid base and off you go. You can even theme everything in the phone with the LG Apps Theme Engine.
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Cyanogenmod to start. Tbh I hate that response. That isn't helpful. It isn't just the V10. I have a GS6E+ as well. There is nothing on that front. I
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Cyanogenmod to start. Tbh I hate that response. That isn't helpful. It isn't just the V10. I have a GS6E+ as well. There is nothing on that front. I
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Then go ask the Cyanogen devs to support the V10. Complaining here accomplishes exactly nothing.
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Then go ask the Cyanogen devs to support the V10. Complaining here accomplishes exactly nothing.
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"Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?"
Where in that is exactly ... "complaining"? I asked a legitimate question. Seems that you are complaining about the question I asked.
Topgun966 said:
"Hey guys, legitimate question here. It seems that there is no development being done for this and other of the 2015 flagships. Am I missing something?"
Where in that is exactly ... "complaining"? I asked a legitimate question. Seems that you are complaining about the question I asked.
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I used hyperbole. The fact remains that reaching out to devs directly will have far more effect than posting threads here.
It's not like they'll magically swoop in here and say "Oh guys, so sorry we haven't made anything for your phone yet, we'll get right on it!"
If you want to see action, post on Cyanogen's forum, open a github issue, or PM/mention devs who developed for LG phones in the past to see what their opinion is.
I can understand wanting to flash ROMs and such, it can definitely be fun, and it's good to have alternatives. But maybe i'm getting old, but i'm a bit tired of it nowadays: the bootloops, certain things not working, having to start over, the time wasted, missing phone calls from your girlfriend because you bootlooped and are constantly booted in recovery lmao. I think OEMs have come a long way since the early days of Android, so i'm usually good with rooted stock now, or a deodexed version. This phone already runs pretty great out of the box, so maybe try and enjoy it as it was made to be. And for sure with the Tmo model rootable, there's xposed, tweakbox, etc. But i definitely understand, OP, even flagship phones don't necessarily have as many custom ROMs as they used to.
The V10 is an awesome phone... But specialty development (cyanogen mod, AOSP) is going off a bit... First off development doesn't just happen... This is a brand new phone model, and although it uses a lot of the G4's hardware, there are a lot of differences, second screen being the biggest, also, t-mobiles version is currently the only one world wide with root access. Further hurting our chances. As for other flagship models, carriers and manufacturers, have been making it harder to root and modify phones... Which has been scaring development away... (why buy a phone you may never be able to modify?) if you want phones with a ton of options for development, I suggest you stick to either nexus devices, and /or something similar to the S series phones... That gets a ton of development... Plain and simple, T-Mobile is the only carrier on earth that doesn't care what you do to your phone. And from a development standpoint, this phone has only been out a little over 2 months, and currently has one model world wide with root access so unless someone Crack the bootloader on other models, or systemless root access becomes a reality with marshmallow, it's probably going to be a slow go... If you really want CM on your V10, (not sure why when you can strip this down to bare bones) you could build us all a rom... Seeing as you believe it's so easy...
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Thank you @ZDeuce2 and @YrrchSebor for telling it like it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
siraltus said:
Thank you @ZDeuce2 and @YrrchSebor for telling it like it is. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Plus I'd say nowadays in many cases, you lose more than you gain by erasing the software that skilled professionals have developed for your phone. Like you said, those guys good lol. Maybe carriers and/or other corporate/financial concerns might dumb things down or limit features, but root can be plenty enough to open things up for savvy users.
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Plus I'd say nowadays in many cases, you lose more than you gain by erasing the software that skilled professionals have developed for your phone. Like you said, those guys good lol. Maybe carriers and/or other corporate/financial concerns might dumb things down or limit features, but root can be plenty enough to open things up for savvy users.
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I agree. Outside of Nexus devices I found that Cyanogen has never had proper quality control and the maintainers do whatever they want. Random things are constantly broken and are never acknowledged or fixed. You never know whether a new nightly would fix things or just break things more, even if you followed the commit logs. It's certainly more of an enthusiast's endeavor rather than a rock-solid daily driver OS.
Then there is the garbage camera image quality on non-Nexus phones - the proprietary image processing libraries and other stuff from stock ROMs are just unrivaled and Cyanogen has never been able to match stock camera quality.
I found that especially in the last year or so, stock ROMs have really become robust and polished and I simply do not need to flash Cyanogen anymore to "unsuck" my phone. Root and Xposed are enough to clean up and customize the stock ROM the way I like it and make my phone perfect.
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I agree. Outside of Nexus devices I found that Cyanogen has never had proper quality control and the maintainers do whatever they want. Random things are constantly broken and are never acknowledged or fixed. You never know whether a new nightly would fix things or just break things more, even if you followed the commit logs. It's certainly more of an enthusiast's endeavor rather than a rock-solid daily driver OS.
Then there is the garbage camera image quality on non-Nexus phones - the proprietary image processing libraries and other stuff from stock ROMs are just unrivaled and Cyanogen has never been able to match stock camera quality.
I found that especially in the last year or so, stock ROMs have really become robust and polished and I simply do not need to flash Cyanogen anymore to "unsuck" my phone. Root and Xposed are enough to clean up and customize the stock ROM the way I like it and make my phone perfect.
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Yeah, agreed on all counts there..
YrrchSebor said:
Yeah, agreed on all counts there..
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Only thing I would love to see is layers support added, then we would truly have a beast on our hands...
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ZDeuce2 said:
Only thing I would love to see is layers support added, then we would truly have a beast on our hands...
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It doesn't work yet? There's a thread on it, so I tried it and it did theme some stuff, but maybe it isn't fully working? Plus I could swear that my system update center broke after using the Inverted UI module
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It doesn't work yet? There's a thread on it, so I tried it and it did theme some stuff, but maybe it isn't fully working? Plus I could swear that my system update center broke after using the Inverted UI module
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It needs in rom support, which we don't have yet, to fully work completely. Probably why it seems like it broke stuff...
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If I knew how to build, and had a computer that wasn't a Commodore 64, I'd give it a shot, but as slow as my comps are we'll have well have Android Orange Cremesicle before it finishes building...
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ZDeuce2 said:
If I knew how to build, and had a computer that wasn't a Commodore 64, I'd give it a shot, but as slow as my comps are we'll have well have Android Orange Cremesicle before it finishes building...
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LOL! Well, if I knew how to code, I could do it, but I don't... so yeah. Unless adding the support is simpler than recoding a bunch of APKs?
While more development is always great, I'm very happy with debloated and deodexed stock-based ROMs for the V10. @siraltus has done good work, and that's really all I need, the ability to root, run Xposed and be free from bloatware. I'm sort of over Cyanogenmod in terms of actually flashing it myself. The importance of CM in the history of Android can't be overstated, but for a device with such specialized hardware as the V10 (secondary display, DAC/Amp, etc.), I don't think CM would ever be as good as a stock-based ROM.
I even prefer a stock theme nowadays.... At least it's consistent throughout the system, and I know I'll be able to read any and all text on my phone lol.
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I even prefer a stock theme nowadays.... At least it's consistent throughout the system, and I know I'll be able to read any and all text on my phone lol.
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Nothing like a random white text on white background screen and you have no idea what it says... LOL.
I notice quite a lot of rom threads are being closed...
only a few are being updates while lots were lasted update near the beginning of the month...
Lol.. There are too many roms already and almost all of them are very stable. So why do we need nightly/weekly updates if we have something like pure nexus or chroma running solid? Custom roms will live forever especially for nexus devices.
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Another one was added today. I'm patiently waiting to see if pure nexus appears with cmte. Its in the works.I hear
No end in sight! This is XDA ftw!
Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
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Today is a terrible, terrible day.
We lost an absolute gem
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You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/42v96a/cataclysm_threads_closed_by_mods/
The community legit doesn't deserve for him to continue.
His threads would literally make me sick the way ppl treated him. The way they DEMANDED alterations as opposed to asking. The way they asked over and over, despite his firm NO.
I'm gonna miss the hell out of his ROMs. The best. If some major changes happen, maybe Ill move to Pure Nexus, but for now... and a long while... I think the latest Cata mod will be on my phone.
This community truly sucks, sometimes
This has definitely been true for non-Nexus phones. I was big into LG phones, I had the G2, G3, and G4 (all on Verizon). The G2 had tons of development, both stock and AOSP ROMs, and the G3 was similar but noticeably less. The G4 has been non-existent. I remember the days when virtually all phones were rooted and unlocked by devs, with lots of custom ROMs, but this seems to be going away very quickly. Now it's likely if you buy a non-Nexus device, it won't get root at all, let alone custom ROMs.
Looking at the 6P development, I see what you're talking about. Lots of ROMs that started when the phone came out have ceased getting updates, and you only have a handful of solid ROMs to choose from.
I wouldn't be surprised if custom roms are a dying breed. IMHO part of it is that Android is slowly moving towards getting the basic feature set and UI tweaks that people want, and more manufacturers are trimming down their bloated UI's (some exceptions obv, unnamed). But also --- this may sound cynical, but just from my own observation: Many of these enthusiast-worked/powered/funded projects are far too often met with self-entitled users (in the very literal sense of the word) who think their use of the rom/software/art/w/e entitles them to complain endlessly about every little thing and every minute lack of an update (or desired/demanded feature) for what is usually a free or donationware product. Not to mention the people who are too careless/hasty to follow instructions and end up bricking their devices, only to blame the devs and spew a bunch of vitriol. I don't blame anyone who quits at all.
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You mean with cataclysm, there is a cached page about his final words, I hope he still continues
http://txt.do/57rjs
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That's one breathe taking letter! Wish him the best and this Developer will be missed by XDA...
I love custom ROMs!!! I remember when I unlocked my first smart phone the first evo and I found the perfect stable ROM for it...now every time I get a new phone I find myself searching for a ROM I think it makes whatever handset you're using perfect. Thank you to everyone that takes the time to develop
the past roms I used, have not closed down.. Cataclysm was the second rom I used and liked...
I try not to use any roms that are CM based.. lol.. not sure why... I like the AOSP based roms better...
XDA has been going downhill for years now. Seen some amazing devs and funny members just up and leave over the years for this very reason.
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Every ROM will meet its end some time... Beanstalk disappeared. Avatar halted. AOKP is no longer active. ParanoidAndroid and PACman had gone big in form but small in functionality and usefulness. Even CM, with Google incorporating more and more changes into each new Android version and limiting features these ROMs can touch, might die out someday.
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Yeah some people here do not understand devs do this in there free time, for fun theycowe you nothing and you are very privileged to be getting such incredible free software. This upsets a lot if devs and makes them leave the community.
I stopped publishing my own approach of a ROM after I got rid of my old Samsung Galaxy S3 and moved on to Nexus devices. I'm happy with a customised Stock based ROM which suits me well. I'm not sure if anybody else would be interested in it since the Nexus forums offer a great number of custom ROMs, some of which are filled with extra stuff. I can somehow understand the guys who stop publishing their work. I never asked for donations, in fact I don't have a PayPal account linked to my profile Maintaining a ROM is a huge effort, especially if you're on your own and not part of a team.
ROMs are no longer needed plain and simple. Back in the hay days of ROMs, Galaxy S2 and 3, HTC EVO, ROMs were a necessity considering how badly optimized phones were back then.. running great software with horrible specs. Developers made the phone a lot better... I still remember the days of running Viper ROM on my samsung epic on the Sprint network.. those were the days.
Fast forward today I'm going on two years without flashing a ROM and reality is I see no need for it.
I pose a question to the great Nexus community, what's the purpose of flashing ROMs when the device runs perfect out the box?
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Root is a must for me since it allows you to get rid of some unwanted Google Apps (eg Google+, Google Play Games etc), use a Adblocker and special Apps like eg Titanium Backup or LMT
Custom roms, with the exception of a select few, have always been highly overrated imo. Most of them take software that is already created, debloat it (which we can do ourselves) and add some features that anyone can get through xposed, etc.
I used to always laugh when people would jump in a rom thread with outrageous claims like their battery life doubled, it's 100x smoother than stock, etc. Placebo effect runs high on custom roms imo.
With that being said, I've flashed just as many roms as most of you. I still see the value in some of them.
But as other people have said, it's just not as necessary anymore. As long as you can root, you can debloat, add xposed if you wanted, etc.
Doesn't seem to make as big of a difference as before.
Yeah it's not how it used to be and that probably for the better, most anything you could want can be done through Xposed and a custom kernel. While most custom roms are more stable than they were in the early days(seems to have more to do with a more stable aosp), there isn't much incentive and there are often still bugs. It's not because devs are bad at what they do, but building a stable rom requires a team of people and testing environments that people just don't have at home. Early in the days of windows mobile and Android roms were very poorly optimised out of the box, but it'd not really like that anymore.
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