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http://www.kingmax.com/product_info.asp?fid=151&mid=185&cid=187&id=2104
Yes, I'm aware that the Fascinate only "officially" supports up to 32GB cards, but is it possible that that was only stated because 64GB cards weren't available yet? If not, would a software update be able to make this work or a smart dev here on XDA? I really hate being limited to 32GB cards. When this comes out, I would love to use it but I'd hate to pay for something that doesn't work.
Given that I can't find any other microSDXC cards out there, and the one you linked to is showing that it's a Class 10 card, I'm going to say that it's not a legit product, even though it is a real company. Will it be supported, only time will tell, but I'd wait until microSDXC cards are readily available.
It's legit. A quick Google search would've told you that.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/26/kingmax-flaunts-worlds-first-64gb-microsd-card/
Class 10 MicroSDXC is definitely legit. There are a few cards out there.
Without being an expert on the phone's internals, I'd give it a qualified "no". Reason being that SDXC as a standard was in its infancy when the phone was released, and still a dream when the phone was initially designed (It takes about 6-9 months from prototype to release for these devices). To include the spec for SDXC in the Winter of 09-10 would have been foolhardy at best.
I would say hold off. Like imnuts said it may be a legit product. But being so new on the market why waste the money. As well I would wait until more major companies are making them so you know you have the reliability behind it, like Sandisk.
there is another post in the mytouch 3g forums talking about this as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780328
jselden said:
I would say hold off. Like imnuts said it may be a legit product. But being so new on the market why waste the money. As well I would wait until more major companies are making them so you know you have the reliability behind it, like Sandisk.
there is another post in the mytouch 3g forums talking about this as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780328
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It's not about reliability. It's the fact that the Fascinate most likely doesn't have the capability to read XC cards. They use a larger address table, and unless the device accounts for it, that can't be read by the phone.
If you plan to flash an EC09 ROM, like TSM's upcoming ROM, four 16GB cards beats one 64GB, even though they'd cost more (we still don't know why EC09 borks some sd cards, and according to TSM, their next ROM will also carry that risk, since it's based on EC09).
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Resurecting this thread
any news on this? my Zune is about to kick the bucket and i'd like to use my old GSI as my dedicated PMP to save battery on my GNex. but coming from an 80GB Zune, 32GB isn't going to cut it. 64GB would obviously be less but i could work with it. what I don't want to do is buy one and have it not work. so i was wondering if anyone has tried this already or could try it if they happen to have both lying around or maybe suggest a ROM or something that could enable support, etc, etc. i know it's probably a long shot but thanks in advance for any help.
whoever said if your gonna flash an ec09 rom get a better sdcard...listen to him. Save yourself some trouble and get a class 10 card if your into flashing especially if you like to flash new stuff alot.
I'm currently using a Sandisk 64GB Class 10 (UHS-1) card without issues in my Fascinate. Running AOKP Jelly Bean Milestone 1. No idea if it works on stock.
The only thing that you need to do to get it to accept the card is to format it to FAT32. exFAT will not work. In windows you will have to use a third-party partition program since windows won't allow you to format the card with FAT32.
I've filled the card to 45GB with no problems so far. If I run into any issues later I'll make sure to come back and let you all know.
Over the years I've owned about every brand of cards from eBay cheapo's to the best the industry has to offer like Samsung. I shoot HD wedding videos, take millions of pictures and edit so micro SD cards have been a necessity.
It just dawned on me today when I was looking at the mountain of SD cards I have in my office and realizing the life span on all the cards I've used over the years. Therefore, I'd like to share my experience along with asking those who are knowledgeable in the area of memory cards to help answer some of my questions.
I shoot HD videos and take lots of pictures on my Note 3 so having a reliable card is very important to me. Currently I'm locked and loaded with a 64GB | Class 10 | SanDisk microSDXC UHS-I card in my Note 3. (I also have a Samsung 64GB PRO Micro SDXC | Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MG64DA/AM), which I use in my Canon Video Camera and it is by far the best card out there. Period.)
The 6 most reliable cards that I've owned throughout the years: (Best to Worst)
Samsung
A-Data (Samsung chip, go figure. However, they are highly likely Samsungs '2nd hand' chips as they are not as fast as the actual Samsung brand labeled chips.)
PNY
SanDisk
Kingston / Sony (tie)
Transcend
It's not worth listing the other non-brand ebay junk so I've left those out.
Lately, I've been very disappointed with SanDisk's quality. Especially with their Class 10 cards, where I have found them to have a very weak 'integrity' in their chips. A good card should give you about a million write cycles. (Write cycles is a whole another can of worms...)
I have had more failed SanDisk's (lemons) cards than any other brands combined. This is why I will never buy SanDisk again and am switching to what has never failed me, Samsung. I can't afford the chaos and hate having to recover priceless wedding pictures from a card who decides to kick the bucket when you need it the most.
Recently my 64GB | Class 10 | SanDisk in my Note 3 decided to go belly up and I had to use a data recovering software to salvage all my 4,000 pictures and hundreds of HD video's. WTH right? This card is a couple months old. My previous SanDisk in my old Note 2 did the same thing after a couple of months.
ME, MYSELF AND MICRO SD CARDS...
With a new card I reformat it to Fat32 with Disk Utility (Mac) and then pop it in my device.
Since I take a lot of pictures / videos, I connect my phone to my computer (Android File Transfer, works flawlessly on Mac), copy over everything to my hard drive, back it up again if it's important and then properly eject the phone/card. I've always read and heard from camera guru's that it's best to reformat your card from the device instead of deleting the pictures in the folder from your computer while it's still connected. Therefore, after copying over the pictures/videos I would immediately eject and delete directly from the phone. The 'theory' surrounding this is that if you leave your card connected to your computer, it will access (checking byte order/changes) the directory more times than you would want it to thereby decreasing the life expectancy of the card.
Now of course it's not convenient or practical by no means to do this every day with your Note 3...most people just plug in and play with no problems whatsoever throughout the life of the card.
QUESTIONS FOR THE GEEKS
Explain the difference in the structural integrity of the internal SD card vs external SD card.
How much more life expectancy / write cycles does the internal card have vs an external card?
For a heavy user like me I have always put everything on the external card to avoid using the internal memory as much as possible avoiding unnecessary stress.
How often should the external card be reformatted for a heavy user like me where I'm constantly copying over, deleting, etc...
To be continued...
I don’t know about card in deep technically but all I learned so far, generally cards these days have very long life span, at least average 10 years, unless physically damaged or any uncommon technical issues.
I too concerned about this too earlier but now technology is so fast upgrading you shouldn’t worry about its life span. Technically what I know its life span also depends on it read and writings like you said and even if your car had heavy use then there is no point to formatting it frequently. Card is not like windows which creates junk files by time. Deleting and formatting does the same thing and both will free up same space if you delete all, where formatting read or write more data than deleting. So formatting frequently could reduce its life but that could be unnoticeable. The same way defragmenting, shredding also reduces its life. But shredding is good if I lost it any other couldn’t restores any private files.
So I think there have no logic to format it frequently to keep it healthy, unless its corrupted.
By technology is so fast upgrading what I mean is like, few years back I brought a new phone and brought the best card at that time, it was Samsung 32GB class 6. It was best on the market during that time. But then class 10, pro, plus released. Then when I got note 3 I had already a 32 GB card but I brought a class 10 pro one due to the HD recording. So after 5 years from now even if this card is working I will still have to buy a new one, as there will be far better technically upgraded one. I hope I make sense.
And I too use Internal memory very less, as loads on internal memory make the phone slower.
Thanks for the reply. I agree that with a decent name brand of a card, the life expectancy shouldn't be too much of a worry. My experience with SanDisk has been pretty poor in that I don't think they make cards with good quality material. As mentioned, the structural integrity is very weak. Their older cards were better. The newer ones in my opinion and from my experience have to be treated with a mentality of 5 years ago, because they do wear noticeably.
soumen.sam said:
I don’t know about card in deep technically but all I learned so far, generally cards these days have very long life span, at least average 10 years, unless physically damaged or any uncommon technical issues.
I too concerned about this too earlier but now technology is so fast upgrading you shouldn’t worry about its life span. Technically what I know its life span also depends on it read and writings like you said and even if your car had heavy use then there is no point to formatting it frequently. Card is not like windows which creates junk files by time. Deleting and formatting does the same thing and both will free up same space if you delete all, where formatting read or write more data than deleting. So formatting frequently could reduce its life but that could be unnoticeable. The same way defragmenting, shredding also reduces its life. But shredding is good if I lost it any other couldn’t restores any private files.
So I think there have no logic to format it frequently to keep it healthy, unless its corrupted.
By technology is so fast upgrading what I mean is like, few years back I brought a new phone and brought the best card at that time, it was Samsung 32GB class 6. It was best on the market during that time. But then class 10, pro, plus released. Then when I got note 3 I had already a 32 GB card but I brought a class 10 pro one due to the HD recording. So after 5 years from now even if this card is working I will still have to buy a new one, as there will be far better technically upgraded one. I hope I make sense.
And I too use Internal memory very less, as loads on internal memory make the phone slower.
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I know that feel of losing data, I have had 3 64 GB SanDisk cards die since January - right now I am using a 8GB. sad n true
Wow, sorry to hear. That sucks. Then again, you've verified my point even further about how crappy SanDisk cards have become.
Let your next card be a Samsung. I'm weeding out my stock of cards, heck I've given some away already.
Here's the best: Samsung 64GB PRO Micro SDXC | Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MG64DA/AM)
I use it in my Canon and it's extremely fast.
marquis.hagetaka said:
I know that feel of losing data, I have had 3 64 GB SanDisk cards die since January - right now I am using a 8GB. sad n true
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iunlock said:
Wow, sorry to hear. That sucks. Then again, you've verified my point even further about how crappy SanDisk cards have become.
Let your next card be a Samsung. I'm weeding out my stock of cards, heck I've given some away already.
Here's the best: Samsung 64GB PRO Micro SDXC | Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MG64DA/AM)
I use it in my Canon and it's extremely fast.
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That Samsung card sounds impressive, just not ready to spend any more monies on getting one right now.
off subject are you still in Honolulu..
iunlock said:
Thanks for the reply. I agree that with a decent name brand of a card, the life expectancy shouldn't be too much of a worry. My experience with SanDisk has been pretty poor in that I don't think they make cards with good quality material. As mentioned, the structural integrity is very weak. Their older cards were better. The newer ones in my opinion and from my experience have to be treated with a mentality of 5 years ago, because they do wear noticeably.
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I never used any SanDisk card on phone, only Samsung cards so I’ve no personal experience and I’ve seen many user complains about its compatibility and issues on Samsung device. However I’ve been using a SanDisk high-speed MMC card on my Nikon SLR over last 5 years and still its performing great.
I believe Samsung cards works great in Samsung devices. So far only one card got damaged many years back and that was a stock Nokia card.
I currently have a 64gb sandisk class 10 in my phone I always used sandisk and never had a issue. I can't say the same for kingston. I found out it doesn't mess up when you unmount it when taking it out. I never did that before and they got messed up even if it did get messed up warranty is always there.
currently using the sandisk extreme plus 64gb card with no issues whatsoever. will update this thread once it crap out on me (it probably will in about 6 months) and how the warranty process goes.
I had a 32Gb Sandisk Extreme die in my Galaxy Note 3 while recording 4k video on to it.
Without a compatibility list and guarantee from Samsung, I am reluctant to buy another high end microsd card.
I am sick of these SD Cards. In my Galaxy S3, the thing would ocassionally take a dump and have to be reformatted.
Now I just restarted the Note 3, and boom, card took a dump.
I think I'm going to just live without.
Sandisk has always been reliable for me, apparently there are only 4-5 chip manufacture, and majority of a-data's card are rebadged from sandisk, same goes with transcends, whiles kingston are with toshiba, and PNY is a mix of sandisk and toshiba.
For data recovery and/or SD card repair, had anyone given Spin Rite a try?
I've been using a UHS-I 16GB Team card in my phone, been pretty reliable so far and gets pretty quick read/write speeds. Also been using a 32GB UHS-I Samsung card in my Sony NEX-5T camera, also been having no issues.
Just had my first Warranty experience with SanDisk. My 64 Gig SanDisk Ultra had crapped out by not allowing any write cycle this would not allow for deleting files or format or any changes to card. After a brief chat session on the SanDisk website I had my RMA and got emailed a label to print. My old card was off to SanDisk. 10 days later the new card arrived. This was a good warranty experience. Hope the new card will have more writes.
minoch said:
Just had my first Warranty experience with SanDisk. My 64 Gig SanDisk Ultra had crapped out by not allowing any write cycle this would not allow for deleting files or format or any changes to card. After a brief chat session on the SanDisk website I had my RMA and got emailed a label to print. My old card was off to SanDisk. 10 days later the new card arrived. This was a good warranty experience. Hope the new card will have more writes.
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I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I have my first 64GB microSD on Jan last year. I chose Sandisk because I believe many of tech experts favor them over every other brand. At the time I wasn't at all concerned about its lifespan because I am using it for such a simple task like music storage. By the end of Dec last year, the card refuses to write and format. Folks at Sandisk forum suggested to use SDFormatter, however if you get "write protected" error, your card is not repairable, they say.
I was lucky to get a new one so close to the end of my one-year warranty. But seeing Sandisk cards are getting less reliable these days, I might give Samsung a try if my Sandisk fails again.
Quick question, though: where else does Samsung evo and pro differs beside speed? Does pro have longer lifespan?
Interesting. I've been using Sandisk for well over 10 years in everything from my DSLRs to my phones, never had a single card die on me.
I have owned 3 64GB Samsung MicroSD's over 2014 and they all died within two months.
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ShadowLea said:
Interesting. I've been using Sandisk for well over 10 years in everything from my DSLRs to my phones, never had a single card die on me.
I have owned 3 64GB Samsung MicroSD's over 2014 and they all died within two months.
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I agree with you, sandisk is probably the most reliable brand available.
Been using sandisk when the first had them as transflash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADATA
iunlock said:
Over the years I've owned about every brand of cards from eBay cheapo's to the best the industry has to offer like Samsung. I shoot HD wedding videos, take millions of pictures and edit so micro SD cards have been a necessity.
It just dawned on me today when I was looking at the mountain of SD cards I have in my office and realizing the life span on all the cards I've used over the years. Therefore, I'd like to share my experience along with asking those who are knowledgeable in the area of memory cards to help answer some of my questions.
I shoot HD videos and take lots of pictures on my Note 3 so having a reliable card is very important to me. Currently I'm locked and loaded with a 64GB | Class 10 | SanDisk microSDXC UHS-I card in my Note 3. (I also have a Samsung 64GB PRO Micro SDXC | Class 10 Memory Card (MB-MG64DA/AM), which I use in my Canon Video Camera and it is by far the best card out there. Period.)
The 6 most reliable cards that I've owned throughout the years: (Best to Worst)
Samsung
A-Data (Samsung chip, go figure. However, they are highly likely Samsungs '2nd hand' chips as they are not as fast as the actual Samsung brand labeled chips.)
PNY
SanDisk
Kingston / Sony (tie)
Transcend
It's not worth listing the other non-brand ebay junk so I've left those out.
Lately, I've been very disappointed with SanDisk's quality. Especially with their Class 10 cards, where I have found them to have a very weak 'integrity' in their chips. A good card should give you about a million write cycles. (Write cycles is a whole another can of worms...)
I have had more failed SanDisk's (lemons) cards than any other brands combined. This is why I will never buy SanDisk again and am switching to what has never failed me, Samsung. I can't afford the chaos and hate having to recover priceless wedding pictures from a card who decides to kick the bucket when you need it the most.
Recently my 64GB | Class 10 | SanDisk in my Note 3 decided to go belly up and I had to use a data recovering software to salvage all my 4,000 pictures and hundreds of HD video's. WTH right? This card is a couple months old. My previous SanDisk in my old Note 2 did the same thing after a couple of months.
ME, MYSELF AND MICRO SD CARDS...
With a new card I reformat it to Fat32 with Disk Utility (Mac) and then pop it in my device.
Since I take a lot of pictures / videos, I connect my phone to my computer (Android File Transfer, works flawlessly on Mac), copy over everything to my hard drive, back it up again if it's important and then properly eject the phone/card. I've always read and heard from camera guru's that it's best to reformat your card from the device instead of deleting the pictures in the folder from your computer while it's still connected. Therefore, after copying over the pictures/videos I would immediately eject and delete directly from the phone. The 'theory' surrounding this is that if you leave your card connected to your computer, it will access (checking byte order/changes) the directory more times than you would want it to thereby decreasing the life expectancy of the card.
Now of course it's not convenient or practical by no means to do this every day with your Note 3...most people just plug in and play with no problems whatsoever throughout the life of the card.
QUESTIONS FOR THE GEEKS
Explain the difference in the structural integrity of the internal SD card vs external SD card.
How much more life expectancy / write cycles does the internal card have vs an external card?
For a heavy user like me I have always put everything on the external card to avoid using the internal memory as much as possible avoiding unnecessary stress.
How often should the external card be reformatted for a heavy user like me where I'm constantly copying over, deleting, etc...
To be continued...
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Lifespan? Didn't know they were supposed to "die", or even wear out, and stop working eventually. Been using this same SD card for the past 2 years, and works like the first day I got it.
I thought I would pick the brains of the T-Mobile users and see what their opinions of the rumors floating around about the S6. I'll start it off with the rumor I heard that Samsung is not going to use the Qualcomm processors in the s6 due to heating problems and will instead use their xynos chipset. How do you all feel about this?
I'm personally hoping this isn't true because development for xynos devices has been dismal. I'm available to jump next month but if this is true I may opt out of upgrading to the s6 and see what the mobile conference unveils.
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Not necessarily the same but there is a section for the International S6 already here if you want to discuss more about the device.
It didn't seem like the S6 was going to have both a removable battery and a MicroSD card slot so that ruled it out for me. Then when my S2 died I had to buy something available today. I couldn't wait for the S6, so I got the S5.
sremick said:
It didn't seem like the S6 was going to have both a removable battery and a MicroSD card slot so that ruled it out for me. Then when my S2 died I had to buy something available today. I couldn't wait for the S6, so I got the S5.
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I don't get Samsung... instead of being different and building on what made their device "good", they're taking away features. Like you, the non-removable battery and now the microSD card?! I'm done with Samsung when it's time to get a new device.
dimm0k said:
I don't get Samsung... instead of being different and building on what made their device "good", they're taking away features. Like you, the non-removable battery and now the microSD card?! I'm done with Samsung when it's time to get a new device.
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has it been confirmed that s6 will have non removable batter and no microSD slot? If not, I'm done with galaxy.
It will have no Sdcard from what I have read. It will come in 3 sizes...
32 gb
64 gb
128 gb
Really no need for a Sdcard with that much storage
The Sickness said:
It will have no Sdcard from what I have read. It will come in 3 sizes...
32 gb
64 gb
128 gb
Really no need for a Sdcard with that much storage
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I always prefer an sd card..always. I am not one to use cloud storage and constantly back up my phone. I put all my backups, photos, music and custom ringtones on the sd card. If the phone for whatever reason cannot turn on, (drop, brick, water damage, etc) I can still pop out the sd card, slide it into the replacement and within minutes have everything the same as the now deceased phone.
The Sickness said:
It will have no Sdcard from what I have read. It will come in 3 sizes...
32 gb
64 gb
128 gb
Really no need for a Sdcard with that much storage
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It's not always about having the storage space. I use folder mount and it helps greatly. Partly plays with what Kenny is saying. In addition, 32 and higher gig devices usually average a much higher price tag where a 16gig is prefectly fine with a micro SD card. But the killer for me was the 5.6 inch screen. Please Samsung make it at most 5.1. Keep your note series the one to have larger screens.
KennyG123 said:
I always prefer an sd card..always. I am not one to use cloud storage and constantly back up my phone. I put all my backups, photos, music and custom ringtones on the sd card. If the phone for whatever reason cannot turn on, (drop, brick, water damage, etc) I can still pop out the sd card, slide it into the replacement and within minutes have everything the same as the now deceased phone.
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I agree. My thoughts exactly.
KennyG123 said:
I always prefer an sd card..always. I am not one to use cloud storage and constantly back up my phone. I put all my backups, photos, music and custom ringtones on the sd card. If the phone for whatever reason cannot turn on, (drop, brick, water damage, etc) I can still pop out the sd card, slide it into the replacement and within minutes have everything the same as the now deceased phone.
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Bingo. Having an SD card is not always about extra storage. It's about having safe, removable storage that can survive even if there's a hardware failure on the phone (like what has happened to me many times over the years).
Doing away with removable batteries and MicroSD card slots is anti-consumer. Every cell phone I've had for over 10 years has had both of these basic features. I'm not about to go about legitimizing anti-consumer products by purchasing them. I'll vote with my money, and I refuse to "vote" for things that are anti-consumer and send the incorrect message to the manufacturers that this is ok.
The Sickness said:
It will have no Sdcard from what I have read. It will come in 3 sizes...
32 gb
64 gb
128 gb
Really no need for a Sdcard with that much storage
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Maybe with the 128GB. I have a 64GB SD card in my S5 and it's nearly full...along with my internal storage. It's not just music and videos, either. There are several things that I need that require lots of storage space (offline maps for my offline nav app, lots of work stuff, etc.), so 32GB or 64GB will not cut it for me. The problem is that the 128GB versions of devices are usually ridiculously overpriced compared to SD cards. I much prefer to just have the SD card slot.
Hey everybody ...
Quick question: which is better ... SanDisk Ultra 128GB or the Samsung 128GB EVO?
I've been deciding for days, but I still can't make up my mind.
I want something that lasts long and is fast.
Samsung is samsung, especially with the tablet ... and sandisk is also reputable but has that 10 year warranty.
Please help. Thanks!
dyiddo said:
Hey everybody ...
Quick question: which is better ... SanDisk Ultra 128GB or the Samsung 128GB EVO?
I've been deciding for days, but I still can't make up my mind.
I want something that lasts long and is fast.
Samsung is samsung, especially with the tablet ... and sandisk is also reputable but has that 10 year warranty.
Please help. Thanks!
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I would go with the Samsung since there have been reports lately of bad SanDisk cards. Realize though that one has sold millions more units than the other so the likelihood of failure is greater for SanDisk anyway.
If you want the fastest possible though you may want to step down to 64gb card and get one with the highest write rating like a SanDisk Extreme Pro.
The experiences vary. I've never had a single Sandisk card break, out of the 40ish Ive used since 2001.
I've had 4 Samsung cards (2x32 2x64) and they all broke in 4 months.
My 128GB Sandisk is still doing great.
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muzzy996 said:
I would go with the Samsung since there have been reports lately of bad SanDisk cards. Realize though that one has sold millions more units than the other so the likelihood of failure is greater for SanDisk anyway.
If you want the fastest possible though you may want to step down to 64gb card and get one with the highest write rating like a SanDisk Extreme Pro.
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I think I really need the 128 gb size. I never read comics before, and the note pro got me into it ... so now I have like 15gb of comics. lol. Plus, then I'm gonna add vids and music. So it might be prudent for me to just fork out the money for a bigger card.
And the other thing ... I kinda wana go with samsung too but sandisk has a brilliant 10 yr warranty!. Samsung has like a 2 year. So that's confusing.
Everything I've seen says the tablet can only utilize 64gb cards or smaller...? Would love to buy a 128gb if that will work though, can anyone confirm?
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynotepro12.2/spec.html
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_pro_12_2_lte-5945.php
911jason said:
Everything I've seen says the tablet can only utilize 64gb cards or smaller...? Would love to buy a 128gb if that will work though, can anyone confirm?
http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxynotepro12.2/spec.html
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_pro_12_2_lte-5945.php
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The card size listed in the specs is based upon what is, at that moment, available on the public market. At the time of the release of the NotePro, 64GB was the largest MicroSD size available. This does not in any way refer to an actual size limit of the cards, it's just that Samsung had no means to see if a 128GB card worked or no, as they didn't exist outside Sandisk's lab.
128GB works as normal, I've been using one for months. (Sandisk).
In fact, the 128GB works fine even on something as old as an S3.
So as everyone knows the GS6 will be available mid April. When Samsung first announced the GS6 I was pretty certain I wanted to get it, however I've wanted a bigger screen (currently using gs4) and the more I compare the note 4 and GS6 the specs are extremely similar. My question is 1 obviously which phone should I get and 2 does the gs6 offer anything the note doesn't. I know I can get a back for the note for wireless charging so that doesn't concern me. And I don't really use my camera to much so that's another factor I'm not concerned about.
The Note 4 has a removable battery and MicroSD slot.
It also has an Spen with all its enhancing features (pen window is infinitely useful)
And a bigger screen.
And 670mAh bigger battery (and the possibility of using a Zerolemon 10.000mAh) The S6 battery is actually 250mAh smaller than that of the S5.add to that the fact that it's non-removable.... They made a massive mistake there.
Also, a Snapdragon. Exynos is pretty powerful in regular use, but it simply doesn't have enough gHz for the heavier apps, and a Mali GPU simply isn't as powerful as an Adreno for gaming.
As far as I know the S6 offers no advantages over the Note 4.
I'm a long-time Note user so maybe I'm a bit biased, but I'd go for the Note 4 without a second though.
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ShadowLea said:
The Note 4 has a removable battery and MicroSD slot.
It also has an Spen with all its enhancing features (pen window is infinitely useful)
And a bigger screen.
And 670mAh bigger battery (and the possibility of using a Zerolemon 10.000mAh) The S6 battery is actually 250mAh smaller than that of the S5.add to that the fact that it's non-removable.... They made a massive mistake there.
Also, a Snapdragon. Exynos is pretty powerful in regular use, but it simply doesn't have enough gHz for the heavier apps, and a Mali GPU simply isn't as powerful as an Adreno for gaming.
As far as I know the S6 offers no advantages over the Note 4.
I'm a long-time Note user so maybe I'm a bit biased, but I'd go for the Note 4 without a second though.
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How large is the note in the pocket? Is it easily manageable or does it take time to get used to?
Go for the S6.
1- its size is more practical for daily use.
2- much better then the Note 4 in term of performance. The combination of the new processor (64-bit too), the new RAM (DDR4) and the new UFS storage (which is much faster than emmc) looks pretty impressive.
3- more future proof, and is already optimized for android lollipop. You don't know what kind of issues/performance problems you might get after such a big upgrade, or after future updates (many phones reported worse performance and/or worse battery after the upgrade to lollipop). Why risk it? Just go for the device that's made for this version of android.
4- Better speaker, better fingerprint scanner, Samsung pay, wireless charging out of the box, ... just a better device overall. Only thing missing is the SD card (I don't think many people really make use of the removable battery option) and considering you're going to have 32GB minimum of storage (+115GB free cloud storage) and the option to buy a 64GB or 128GB version if you want, it would actually be a waste of the power this phone has in term of speed and performance to slow it down with an SD card.
5- better version of Touchwiz (much lighter with several improvements).
6- It looks better.
Depends if you want active development or not. The note 4 will have far more development then the G6
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How large is the note in the pocket? Is it easily manageable or does it take time to get used to?
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Well, I find it pretty easy to manage.
I did have to extend my pockets, but then the pockets in female jeans can't even fit a classic phone. :laugh:
It felt a bit big the first day, but after a week you won't even notice it. By then everything else will feel tiny. In terms of handling, I can manage it with one hand quite well. (Size 6 female hands, so really small hands.)
In truth the S6 isn't much smaller, the Note 4 is only slightly less than a centimeter taller and 0,8cm wider, in total. That's +-4.5 mm on either side.
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Depends if you want active development or not. The note 4 will have far more development then the G6
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What do you mean by more development?
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What do you mean by more development?
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With the chip in the gs6 most developers won't touch it. It is very difficult due to Samsung not release documentation for the chip and it being hard to develop for.
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Go for the S6.
1- its size is more practical for daily use.
2- much better then the Note 4 in term of performance. The combination of the new processor (64-bit too), the new RAM (DDR4) and the new UFS storage (which is much faster than emmc) looks pretty impressive.
3- more future proof, and is already optimized for android lollipop. You don't know what kind of issues/performance problems you might get after such a big upgrade, or after future updates (many phones reported worse performance and/or worse battery after the upgrade to lollipop). Why risk it? Just go for the device that's made for this version of android.
4- Better speaker, better fingerprint scanner, Samsung pay, wireless charging out of the box, ... just a better device overall. Only thing missing is the SD card (I don't think many people really make use of the removable battery option) and considering you're going to have 32GB minimum of storage (+115GB free cloud storage) and the option to buy a 64GB or 128GB version if you want, it would actually be a waste of the power this phone has in term of speed and performance to slow it down with an SD card.
5- better version of Touchwiz (much lighter with several improvements).
6- It looks better.
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With the chip in the gs6 most developers won't touch it. It is very difficult due to Samsung not release documentation for the chip and it being hard to develop for.
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One thing I have never looked into or have been concerned about is bloatware. Does bloatware actually have any impact on performance? Currently I use a custom home screen and lock screen (nova launcher and hi locker). I hide all the bullcrap apps samsung and att include so I never see them and for most of them notifications are off. I know the apps take up space but that's not a huge deal since i have a micro sd. And honestly transfer speeds aren't that important since I keep all my apps on the phone memory and movies and random files on the sd card.
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One thing I have never looked into or have been concerned about is bloatware. Does bloatware actually have any impact on performance? Currently I use a custom home screen and lock screen (nova launcher and hi locker). I hide all the bullcrap apps samsung and att include so I never see them and for most of them notifications are off. I know the apps take up space but that's not a huge deal since i have a micro sd. And honestly transfer speeds aren't that important since I keep all my apps on the phone memory and movies and random files on the sd card.
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Disabling them do help, but too many needless apps do affect the performance, especially with Samsung embedding their apps deep in the system. With the S6 though they cleaned that up and only left two of their apps (S-voice and S-health) pre-installed. The concern about bloatware is performance not storage.
The SD card slows down the system more than you think because many apps do access or try to access the SD card when available. Simplest to illustrate would be the gallery app which will slow down considerably if you use an SD card. Also the camera app can't record some (very) high quality videos on SD cards (because it needs quicker write speed than SD cards allow) and will require you to switch to internal storage... etc.
The SD card imo was a good option to have when internal storage was very expensive and most devices would ship with only 8GB/16GB storage (of which less than 10 GB is accessible). But with internal storage getting cheaper (in addition to it being faster and more reliable) it's logical that the industry is making the shift towards the better experience, and even though some people (including me until recently) are still clinging to what they're used to, in this case the change is imo pretty justified (that's my opinion though).
Having said that, the best way for you to decide is to wait until you got your hand on an S6 and experience it yourself, so my advice would be wait until then and I'm pretty sure your decision will be much easier.
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Disabling them do help, but too many needless apps do affect the performance, especially with Samsung embedding their apps deep in the system. With the S6 though they cleaned that up and only left two of their apps (S-voice and S-health) pre-installed. The concern about bloatware is performance not storage.
The SD card slows down the system more than you think because many apps do access or try to access the SD card when available. Simplest to illustrate would be the gallery app which will slow down considerably if you use an SD card. Also the camera app can't record some (very) high quality videos on SD cards (because it needs quicker write speed than SD cards allow) and will require you to switch to internal storage... etc.
The SD card imo was a good option to have when internal storage was very expensive and most devices would ship with only 8GB/16GB storage (of which less than 10 GB is accessible). But with internal storage getting cheaper (in addition to it being faster and more reliable) it's logical that the industry is making the shift towards the better experience, and even though some people (including me until recently) are still clinging to what they're used to, in this case the change is imo pretty justified (that's my opinion though).
Having said that, the best way for you to decide is to wait until you got your hand on an S6 and experience it yourself, so my advice would be wait until then and I'm pretty sure your decision will be much easier.
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I think the one issue with only on board storage is that if you damage your device then you lose everything. At least with an SD card you can save the important stuff
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I think the one issue with only on board storage is that if you damage your device then you lose everything. At least with an SD card you can save the important stuff
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True (in most cases), but corrupted SD cards (which leads to losing all the info on it) is far more common than damaged devices. Two relatives of mine lost valuable data (pictures) because of SD card problems.
Also with the option of having 115 GB free of cloud storage (that comes with the S6), you can easily backup all the important data you have on your phone.
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True (in most cases), but corrupted SD cards (which leads to losing all the info on it) is far more common than damaged devices. Two relatives of mine lost valuable data (pictures) because of SD card problems.
Also with the option of having 115 GB free of cloud storage (that comes with the S6), you can easily backup all the important data you have on your phone.
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Not everyone has data like that. Take where I live. Going out of town and I dont even have cell signal for days.
Odd I have been using the same SD card for almost like 4 years and never had an issue.
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Not everyone has data like that. Take where I live. Going out of town and I dont even have cell signal for days.
Odd I have been using the same SD card for almost like 4 years and never had an issue.
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I'm not saying it happens to everyone, I'm just saying it's far more common than damaged whole devices. I haven't had a problem either with my SD card (using it for over 2 years now).
The cloud storage is an option (which I imagine most people can make use of), and it's not meant that you synchronize your data all the time, you can just do it once or twice every month when you have wireless internet. That should at least limit the loss of data because of any damage to your device. But regardless of this option, internal storage is still much more reliable than SD cards on its own.
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True (in most cases), but corrupted SD cards (which leads to losing all the info on it) is far more common than damaged devices. Two relatives of mine lost valuable data (pictures) because of SD card problems.
Also with the option of having 115 GB free of cloud storage (that comes with the S6), you can easily backup all the important data you have on your phone.
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I'd really like to invite you to try my daily routine for a month. 80% of my 7.5 hour commute by train (per day), my signal is limited to "Emergency Calls".
64GB of internal memory, (the 128GB is far too expensive) that allows for, let's see... 3 hours of film in 1080, give or take. Since obviously everything else will be filled with all the other formerly-on-my-SD data, such as 30GB of magazines, 15GB worth of comics, 5GB worth of photo's, 5GB of ebooks, 25GB of music and... Oh. Hang on. 30+15+5+5+25 = 80GB. I guess that doesn't leave much room for, well, anything.
Now whatever am I going to do in the remaining 4.5 hours?
Even if I buy the 128GB S6, that would still leave me with over 40GB of missing space (counting 8GB for Android+system apps), since I have a 32GB Note 3 and a 128GB Sandisk MicroSD.
A MicroSD is an absolutely vital component for me. Without it, a device is worthless to me as a mobile media center. (And since I average 2 minutes per month worth of calling... I'm not exactly using it for the mobile functions. )
I've never had a memory card corrupt on me, and I've been using them for pretty much everything for over a decade. Now, cracked screens, damaged phones, random wipes and sudden death syndromes? That happens far too bloody often. I remember receiving over 5000 SDS cases in a month once. A MicroSD would've saved their data...
The cloud is perfectly fine when you're in a country that spans a continent, or you don't leave your home city. And your country offers unlimited data.
Me? I live on the border. There's this nightmare called 'Roaming'. And the biggest available data subscription? 10GB per month. MAX. And it doesn't apply when I walk 1km due east. There's this massive thing called Germany there, where my data is invalid and I have to use Roaming for the price of 2 quid per MB..
Let's see how much that 115GB cloud is going to cost me, then.
115GB, that's 117760MB.
117760x2 = 235520 euro/dollar/pound. I don't know how rich you are, but unless you're Bill Gates, that's not happening.
So. 235520 quid to use all of your cloud once, or 89 quid for an unlimited-use, no additional fees, no network required 128GB MicroSD?
That's not really a choice, is it?
Make no mistake. well over 90% of the world does NOT have a stable, unlimited, constant high speed mobile network connection. The cloud is useless outside that little bubble.
(Edit: Sorry if that sounded a little rude. Wasn't meant to.)
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I'd really like to invite you to try my daily routine for a month. 80% of my 7.5 hour commute by train (per day), my signal is limited to "Emergency Calls".
64GB of internal memory, (the 128GB is far too expensive) that allows for, let's see... 3 hours of film in 1080, give or take. Since obviously everything else will be filled with all the other formerly-on-my-SD data, such as 30GB of magazines, 15GB worth of comics, 5GB worth of photo's, 5GB of ebooks, 25GB of music and... Oh. Hang on. 30+15+5+5+25 = 80GB. I guess that doesn't leave much room for, well, anything.
Now whatever am I going to do in the remaining 4.5 hours?
Even if I buy the 128GB S6, that would still leave me with over 40GB of missing space (counting 8GB for Android+system apps), since I have a 32GB Note 3 and a 128GB Sandisk MicroSD.
A MicroSD is an absolutely vital component for me. Without it, a device is worthless to me as a mobile media center. (And since I average 2 minutes per month worth of calling... I'm not exactly using it for the mobile functions. )
I've never had a memory card corrupt on me, and I've been using them for pretty much everything for over a decade. Now, cracked screens, damaged phones, random wipes and sudden death syndromes? That happens far too bloody often. I remember receiving over 5000 SDS cases in a month once. A MicroSD would've saved their data...
The cloud is perfectly fine when you're in a country that spans a continent, or you don't leave your home city. And your country offers unlimited data.
Me? I live on the border. There's this nightmare called 'Roaming'. And the biggest available data subscription? 10GB per month. MAX. And it doesn't apply when I walk 1km due east. There's this massive thing called Germany there, where my data is invalid and I have to use Roaming for the price of 2 quid per MB..
Let's see how much that 115GB cloud is going to cost me, then.
115GB, that's 117760MB.
117760x2 = 235520 euro/dollar/pound. I don't know how rich you are, but unless you're Bill Gates, that's not happening.
So. 235520 quid to use all of your cloud once, or 89 quid for an unlimited-use, no additional fees, no network required 128GB MicroSD?
That's not really a choice, is it?
Make no mistake. well over 90% of the world does NOT have a stable, unlimited, constant high speed mobile network connection. The cloud is useless outside that little bubble.
(Edit: Sorry if that sounded a little rude. Wasn't meant to.)
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Yeah i have a bit of an issue with cloud as well. Being that I'm on a 10gb family share plan I am limited to about 4gb a month. Since I use the most amount of my phones capacity when I am traveling(which I do often) I can't simply sync with the cloud. I use about 10-15gb of space when I travel for things like movies(6-7gb if I get the low file sized one), random extra games to play(2-3gb), books, music, etc. And I'll tell you what hotel wifi is the devil. And when I travel to Oregon for example, the person I stay with does not have wifi(I know unbelievable). But either way for me SD space is pretty important. Being that the S6 will be at least $50-100 more to go from 32 to 64 and then from 64 to 128 it starts to ad up pretty quickly.
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I'd really like to invite you to try my daily routine for a month. 80% of my 7.5 hour commute by train (per day), my signal is limited to "Emergency Calls".
64GB of internal memory, (the 128GB is far too expensive) that allows for, let's see... 3 hours of film in 1080, give or take. Since obviously everything else will be filled with all the other formerly-on-my-SD data, such as 30GB of magazines, 15GB worth of comics, 5GB worth of photo's, 5GB of ebooks, 25GB of music and... Oh. Hang on. 30+15+5+5+25 = 80GB. I guess that doesn't leave much room for, well, anything.
Now whatever am I going to do in the remaining 4.5 hours?
Even if I buy the 128GB S6, that would still leave me with over 40GB of missing space (counting 8GB for Android+system apps), since I have a 32GB Note 3 and a 128GB Sandisk MicroSD.
A MicroSD is an absolutely vital component for me. Without it, a device is worthless to me as a mobile media center. (And since I average 2 minutes per month worth of calling... I'm not exactly using it for the mobile functions. )
I've never had a memory card corrupt on me, and I've been using them for pretty much everything for over a decade. Now, cracked screens, damaged phones, random wipes and sudden death syndromes? That happens far too bloody often. I remember receiving over 5000 SDS cases in a month once. A MicroSD would've saved their data...
The cloud is perfectly fine when you're in a country that spans a continent, or you don't leave your home city. And your country offers unlimited data.
Me? I live on the border. There's this nightmare called 'Roaming'. And the biggest available data subscription? 10GB per month. MAX. And it doesn't apply when I walk 1km due east. There's this massive thing called Germany there, where my data is invalid and I have to use Roaming for the price of 2 quid per MB..
Let's see how much that 115GB cloud is going to cost me, then.
115GB, that's 117760MB.
117760x2 = 235520 euro/dollar/pound. I don't know how rich you are, but unless you're Bill Gates, that's not happening.
So. 235520 quid to use all of your cloud once, or 89 quid for an unlimited-use, no additional fees, no network required 128GB MicroSD?
That's not really a choice, is it?
Make no mistake. well over 90% of the world does NOT have a stable, unlimited, constant high speed mobile network connection. The cloud is useless outside that little bubble.
(Edit: Sorry if that sounded a little rude. Wasn't meant to.)
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Not at all.
I wasn't talking personally to you. I was talking generally about the pros and cons of SD cards.
As I said in my last post, I wasn't talking about the cloud as everyday storage option, I was talking about it as a safety measure to backup your data in the very rare case you damaged your phone. I understand that you're not home for long periods of time, but eventually I imagine you'll have to get home and you'll have wireless internet, through which you can easily backup all the important data you have on your phone to avoid any loss of data. That was my point.
There are good deals for the 128 GB version of the S6 right now (much cheaper than when I bought the 16GB S4 2 years ago), and there will be better deals in a few months because internal storage is getting cheaper. I was explaining why internal storage, even though it's still more expensive than SD cards (though not as expensive as it was a year ago), is indeed a huge improvement in term of performance and reliability compared to SD cards, which is why it's imo worth the extra money.
I totally understand if for you that 32GB extra (128GB vs 160GB, not 40GB because the Note3 also comes with a system loaded on it) is a deal breaker. But not everybody is in a situation like you. In fact if you asked me for my opinion about what phone you should get I would have definitely told you to get the Note 4, not because of the SD card, but because if you're using your phone to watch movies 7 hours per day then for you the bigger screen will have a higher value and will outweigh the practicality of carrying a smaller device.
However like I said, not everybody is in your situation, and from what I've seen with people around me, most people actually don't need more than 64GB of storage, including me, even though I'll be getting the 128GB version of the S6 because I got a good deal for it. And for people who don't need that 32GB extra (on top of the 128GB) there are a lot of pros of getting 64GB/128GB of internal storage (rather than 64GB/128GB SD card) that imo justifies the extra cost (which is now not as big as it was a year or two ago). After all performance is also a very important factor why we upgrade our devices.
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Not at all.
I wasn't talking personally to you. I was talking generally about the pros and cons of SD cards.
As I said in my last post, I wasn't talking about the cloud as everyday storage option, I was talking about it as a safety measure to backup your data in the very rare case you damaged your phone. I understand that you're not home for long periods of time, but eventually I imagine you'll have to get home and you'll have wireless internet, through which you can easily backup all the important data you have on your phone to avoid any loss of data. That was my point.
There are good deals for the 128 GB version of the S6 right now (much cheaper than when I bought the 16GB S4 2 years ago), and there will be better deals in a few months because internal storage is getting cheaper. I was explaining why internal storage, even though it's still more expensive than SD cards (though not as expensive as it was a year ago), is indeed a huge improvement in term of performance and reliability compared to SD cards, which is why it's imo worth the extra money.
I totally understand if for you that 32GB extra (128GB vs 160GB, not 40GB because the Note3 also comes with a system loaded on it) is a deal breaker. But not everybody is in a situation like you. In fact if you asked me for my opinion about what phone you should get I would have definitely told you to get the Note 4, not because of the SD card, but because if you're using your phone to watch movies 7 hours per day then for you the bigger screen will have a higher value and will outweigh the practicality of carrying a smaller device.
However like I said, not everybody is in your situation, and from what I've seen with people around me, most people actually don't need more than 64GB of storage, including me, even though I'll be getting the 128GB version of the S6 because I got a good deal for it. And for people who don't need that 32GB extra (on top of the 128GB) there are a lot of pros of getting 64GB/128GB of internal storage (rather than 64GB/128GB SD card) that imo justifies the extra cost (which is now not as big as it was a year or two ago). After all performance is also a very important factor why we upgrade our devices.
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What are the prices for the S6? I haven't seen anything on it yet. I'm in the US btw.
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What are the prices for the S6? I haven't seen anything on it yet. I'm in the US btw.
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I got it with contract in the Netherlands and the device (128GB S6) itself cost me a total of 779 euro (the combination of the 16GB S4 I have right now + 64GB SD card cost me about 750 euro two years ago).
Check service providers, it's likely that you'll find very good deals.
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I got it with contract in the Netherlands and the device (128GB S6) itself cost me a total of 779 euro (the combination of the 16GB S4 I have right now + 64GB SD card cost me about 750 euro two years ago).
Check service providers, it's likely that you'll find very good deals.
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There hasn't really been any pricing in the US yet. For us the s6 isn't released until april 10.