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I just finished doing some testing on the BT/Wifi issue for the prime. I also repeated the same testing with my EVO 3D and I am getting similar results. That transferring data over bluetooth is significantly affecting wifi. This is using the speedtest app and each test was repeated 4 times. Have others tried testing other devices?
Here are my results.
Transformer Prime Testing
Average of first Tests (Bluetooth off)
Download: 27520.25
Upload: 17080.5
Ping: 22.5
Average of second Tests (Bluetooth on. No activity)
Download: 22207.5 (81% of original)
Upload: 18365.25 (108% of original)
Ping: 10 (44% of original)
Average of third Tests (Bluetooth on. with file transferring over bluetooth)
Download: 8444.25(31% of original)
Upload: 9371.5 (55% of original)
Ping: 16.5 (73% of original)
EVO 3D Testing
Average of first 4 Tests (Bluetooth off)
Download: 15683.25
Upload: 17682.25
Ping: 17.5
Average of second Tests (Bluetooth on. No activity)
Download: 15454 (99% of original)
Upload: 17297(98% of original)
Ping: 15(86% of original)
Average of third Tests (Bluetooth on. with file transferring over bluetooth)
Download: 7856.5(50% of original)
Upload: 8543.5 (48% of original)
Ping: 25(143% of original)
What application and file did you use for transferring over BT? I would like to test this with my OG, TFP, and MT4G. Because I have never noticed any degradation of WiFi on my OG TF, but only use Bluetooth for Tablet Talk (SMS bridge)
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Spidey01 said:
What application and file did you use for transferring over BT? I would like to test this with my OG, TFP, and MT4G. Because I have never noticed any degradation of WiFi on my OG TF, but only use Bluetooth for Tablet Talk (SMS bridge)
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I used the "File Expert" file manager available for free on the marketplace. To transfer a file over bluetooth all I did this in File Expert.
1. find a directory with a video in it
2. tap-and-hold on video file
3. tap Send files
4. tap Send via bluetooth
5. The device will search for available bluetooth devices
6. Select the device you want to transfer to
7. Go to other device and accept the transfer.
Well, I'll be damned. I just ran the same test on my Samsung Epic 4G Touch as I've been running on my Primes:
1. Wifi performing normally.
2. Turn on Bluetooth. Wifi continues performing normally.
3. Pair with my Motorola S9-HD headphones. Wifi continues performing normally.
4. Start streaming music via Google Music to the headphones. Wifi drops SIGNIFICANTLY. No need to quantify, because it's such a dramatic drop (say from 8Mb/s to <1Mb/s here on my work network).
5. Stop streaming, wifi recovers.
I also went the additional route of playing the same music over the external speakers (headphones disconnected). Wifi performance remained roughly the same, allowing for the bandwidth taken up by the streaming (say, from 8Mb/s to 7.5Mb/s).
I'll say that the phone didn't completely drop Internet connectivity like the Primes do, but wifi performance absolutely dropped through the floor. Maybe the Primes are just a tad bit worse than some other devices, like they are in wifi performance in general, but not the nightmare scenario otherwise implied.
So i ran the test and its funny becuase im running the exact same test.
With the evo 3d and also with the motorola s9 HD. i was hoping if someone else can run these kinds of test on a SSGS2 or some other HTC device or even an apple device.
I have a sub-sub-par LG Optimus T and I have already tried to replicate this issue on it. I pair w/ my BT Philips headset and stream Pandora w/ no lags. Speeds are consistently the same.
My Prime, on the other hand, will droop instantly and intermittently disconnect as soon as it is paired to the same BT headset on the same WiFi network.
Cheaper parts = better wireless performance? I think not... I hope not.
I've seen it before. no matter whether using a phone or tablet, BT will affect wifi signal to some extent. some more then others. there's no way that they couldn't because they are both on same wireless signal 802.11 or whatever it is. depending on phone or tablet and strength of signal, some will be affected more than others or maybe even some not at all.
some been mentioned this before but no one here seemed to listen..lmso
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I've seen it before. no matter whether using a phone or tablet, BT will affect wifi signal to some extent. some more then others. there's no way that they couldn't because they are both on same wireless signal 802.11 or whatever it is. depending on phone or tablet and strength of signal, some will be affected more than others or maybe even some not at all.
some been mentioned this before but no one here seemed to listen..lmso
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While it is true that PANs and WANs use the same protocols and there could very well be some wireless conflict, not only do I not see it on a much more inferior device (my phone), but the WiFi decline on my Prime is quite awful.
We're talking speed declines of 80% or more and random disconnections within minutes.
Both wifi 802.11 and Bluetooth use the 2.4 Ghz spectrum.
One nice test will be if someone could try duplicating the test with the Transformer Prime using the 5 Ghz 802.11n spectrum (does the TP have capability for 5 Ghz?)
I'm not home right now so I can't test it at the moment, but I will say this:
On my Galaxy Nexus, when paired to a Bluetooth speaker and on my WiFi, the audio gets incredibly choppy when I try to use my phone. As a result, I've been disabling WiFi and using my 3G connection when paired to my Bluetooth speakers, which is better. This sounds like the same issue. I'll specifically test speeds on my Galaxy Nexus when paired tonight, but I'm also suspecting this issue isn't limited to the Prime.
The problem is that ASUS has f***ed up so damn much with this product already, that everyone (including myself) is ready to pin every little thing on them and their incompetence
FWIW, I have no problem using wifi while streaming BT audio on my nexus S. I can even turn on my microwave and though it'll cut out momentarily sometimes, it recovers. I can even put it IN the microwave (not turned on) and it still mostly works (stuttery).
I can't stream on my prime, even with the microwave off
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Both wifi 802.11 and Bluetooth use the 2.4 Ghz spectrum.
One nice test will be if someone could try duplicating the test with the Transformer Prime using the 5 Ghz 802.11n spectrum (does the TP have capability for 5 Ghz?)
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Sadly, the Prime does not support 5GHz connections which surprises the hell out of me. Although the aluminum would likely kill it anyhow. I suppose this means the TF700T won't support 5GHz either, come to think of it.
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Both wifi 802.11 and Bluetooth use the 2.4 Ghz spectrum.
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This.
There will always be some sort of interference when using them at the same time - the issue here is that in this case it is enough to notice it.
Even my Bluetooth Logitech mouse was interfering with my laptop WiFi before I ditched it for one of the proprietary wireless mice.
Well, I have a hard time giving ASUS so much grief about this when my Samsung Epic 4G Touch has roughly the same performance. I tried browsing while streaming music to my BT headphones over wifi and was having a hard time getting any sites to respond. I turned off BT and played over the external speakers, and browsing recovered. Pretty much just like on the Primes I've tried.
So, yes, maybe the Prime is marginally worse than the Epic 4G Touch, but not so much so as to be an entirely different problem. I never noticed this on the phone because I usually only use my BT headphones when away from the house and on 3G.
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Sadly, the Prime does not support 5GHz connections which surprises the hell out of me. Although the aluminum would likely kill it anyhow. I suppose this means the TF700T won't support 5GHz either, come to think of it.
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I'm not one of the complainers, but this is a disappointing oversight. I know for a fact that the iPad2 I got for my sister can use the 5Ghz band 802.11n, and I suppose I assumed that all modern competitive tablets could too.
Both bt and wifi operate within the ISM (Industrial, Scientific and Medical) 2.4 GHz short-range radio frequency band. The close proximity of the rf sources is bound to cause interference, so just need to be aware of the quirks and limitations.
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Oops, someone already beat me to it. Good job!
Well, I tested this out using my BT speakers and both my Galaxy Nexus and Transformer Prime. The TP is messed up. My Nexus streamed music and downloaded at about 10 Mbps, while the Prime crawled at about 0.25 Mbps while streaming. Do the problems ever end with this tablet? Does Asus actually employ real engineers? Unbelievable.
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OP, your test only needs to show streaming with Wifi vs streaming with Wifi w/ paired BT device (i.e. stereo headphones/speakers)
and I don't see any results of streaming with Wifi in your post.
Has anybody ever thought that these Supremely Awesome Magnificent Super Powerful SoC's aren't so super awesomely powerful and get bogged down? I mean seriously, I don't expect much from these devices and bt has always been "just ok" technology. Of course I'm expecting flaming, b/c ppl actually believe these mediocre devices can multitask like a frickin quad core intel x86 proc.
Bluetooth and Wifi essentially operate in the same frequency band(s). As such bluetooth and wifi have always messed with each other. This is made worse by the fact that the phones mobile, low performance nature further limits the ability of the devices to handle multiple functions.
The "issue" people are reporting with the prime is a degradation of performance in excess of the norm. The key is whether or not the degradation is immediate and steady, or degenerative. With most devices you lost performance due to load on the device and RF interference, but the loss is steady and doesn't affect real world performance. For the primes with the issue there is the instant performance drop and it gets consistently worse until the connection becomes unusable and/or fails altogether.
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Has anybody ever thought that these Supremely Awesome Magnificent Super Powerful SoC's aren't so super awesomely powerful and get bogged down? I mean seriously, I don't expect much from these devices and bt has always been "just ok" technology. Of course I'm expecting flaming, b/c ppl actually believe these mediocre devices can multitask like a frickin quad core intel x86 proc.
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TF101's Tegra 2 doesn't exhibit the same limitations. Though that doesn't necessarily mean the Tegra 3 doesn't have some bug.. but I sure hope not.
I recently sold my ipad1 since i wanted to get out of the apple ecosystem. For the last week I been researching which android tablet to get. At first I looked at the Galaxy Tab 10.1 which I liked spec-wise but when I went to BestBuy to take a look at it, I noticed it was laggy and stuttered just flipping between homescreens (which im not sure if all galaxys experience this or it was just the display screen not performing well) so i started looking for something more meaty performance-wise and led me to find the prime. However, theres been 2 things holding me off from buying it:1st is i just cant find it anywhere, and 2nd is when i found out of its wifi/bt problems. Im not planning on using any bt, so could I expect wifi to work flawlessly not using bt? (wifi is important for me).
The thing is that I need a tablet to read...i shouldnt have sold my ipad without having bought the android one...
some earlier units had the wifi/BT problem. seems to be an issue streaming audio to BT headset while streaming wifi connection to tablet. like on internet or watching a movie. some reported drop in speed. a major contributing factor is because the wifi & BT on same chip/component. its something with the BT audio interfering. we also have alot who report they can do both just fine w/o noticeable drop in speed. if you don't even plan to use BT in that way then you should be fine. even if you did, you should still be fine.
I've had my Prime since 12/22 and wireless performance has been great for me. never drops a signal and consistently gets the fastest download/upload speeds. just search for an online retailer carrying the prime like best buy or something. they are out there but always sell out so quickly. This is the best and most powerful tablet Android has at the moment. its well worth getting. Very sexy looking tablet also
just check out the link in my signature, Positive Transformer thread, to put some balance to things. there's always a flip side and not as bad as it may seem at times.
Well,
To be honest, I like my prime a bunch but if I'm on wifi, I cant connect my PS3 sixaxis through bluetooth. I have to kill wifi then connect the controller. I havent tried reconnecting the wifi but I know I cant use bluetooth if wifi is already active just from that.
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To be honest, I like my prime a bunch but if I'm on wifi, I cant connect my PS3 sixaxis through bluetooth. I have to kill wifi then connect the controller. I havent tried reconnecting the wifi but I know I cant use bluetooth if wifi is already active just from that.
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I don't have this problem myself and use my sixaxis a lot. If you aren't using bluetooth anyways then no worries there. My wifi is just as powerful as my Samsung phone.
I have Jaybird Freedom Sprint Bluetooth headsets that I use to workout with. I tried pairing with them on my Omate. It will pair but the sound still comes out of the speaker on the watch. Is there something I can do to fix that as the headset works great. Thanks for any help!
I have have a pair of Jaybirds, and mine did the same thing. What worked was the Omate ran out of juice and after recharging and Turing back on it has worked perfectly every since. You may also need to to set the Jaybirds as default for miix and phone calls under Bluetooth settings.
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Where the heck are the bluetooth settings, not quite in your face if you know what I mean.
Yeah, so I don't see in the watch where those Bluetooth settings are to set the Jaybird up as default. Maybe you can help guide me to where that is. Not sure if it matters but it is stock. I also drained the battery but it didn't do anything. If you have a speific process maybe you could lay it out for me and see what happens. Thanks again for the help!
Go to settings. Then wireless and networks. Then Bluetooth. Select Jaybird make sure phone and media audio are selected.
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I found the options and it was set as you stated above. Still didn't connect. But, I did a hard reset and tried again and it wored fine, now the issue is that when I turn the headsets on they should connect to the watch but doesnt automatically and I have to re-pair each time.
Glad you got it to work. Not sure why you have to repair each time.
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I have a bluetooth problem too. My 1/8 2100 (stock firmware) Truesmart pairs with my LogiLink BT0026 headset but i can play music only within a distance of about 10cm. It disconnects on a higher range. Same with the connection to my PC. The headset connects normally to my other devices. Any ideas???
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I have a bluetooth problem too. My 1/8 2100 (stock firmware) Truesmart pairs with my LogiLink BT0026 headset but i can play music only within a distance of about 10cm. It disconnects on a higher range. Same with the connection to my PC. The headset connects normally to my other devices. Any ideas???
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I have the earlier 1/8 US firmware. I use the Altec Lansing Backbeat 903 Bluetooth(Also sold as Plantronics under same model name and number) headset that I picked up from a garage sale today. Great Bluetooth stereo sound! I absolutely get no sound cuts when worn on my wrist(Which is 2ft away when arm extended) no matter how I move my arms. Have you tried disabling the quickboot feature in Settings >> System >> Accessibility? That feature is causing problems with wifi and bluetooth due to the firmware from what I've been told before.
Thx for your reply! :good:
I tried disabling the quickboot feature and also flashed Loki's EnSec-firmware, but the problem is still the same. :crying:
I have come to the conclusion that we can't always blame the truesmart with the bluetooth issues. I have a bluetooth audio receiver plugged into my hifi system but I can only stream to it in very close contact i.e. about 10cm maxiumum. However same setup on watch connected to my August EP60 headphones (which are amazing btw) yielded very different results. After connectin established I started music streaming and took off my watch and leaving it downstairs went for a walk round my house including upstairs. No loss of connection with several meters distance and no dropouts at all. Happy because I bought the August EP60's specifically to use with Truesmart.
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I'm listening to music from my TS through my bluetooth earphones right now... apart from the occasional split second stutter, I'm very impressed.... I can see how this would be a killer device for the gym or joggers etc, I'm so impressed im going to try and find a smaller pair than my backbeats!
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I have come to the conclusion that we can't always blame the truesmart with the bluetooth issues. I have a bluetooth audio receiver plugged into my hifi system but I can only stream to it in very close contact i.e. about 10cm maxiumum. However same setup on watch connected to my August EP60 headphones (which are amazing btw) yielded very different results. After connectin established I started music streaming and took off my watch and leaving it downstairs went for a walk round my house including upstairs. No loss of connection with several meters distance and no dropouts at all. Happy because I bought the August EP60's specifically to use with Truesmart.
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Good to hear this, so i still have hope.
What's about your WiFi connection... my maximum range is 3 to 5 meters away from the router (same room, no walls between).
With my stock TrueSmart I get Bluetooth solid from 3 rooms, 32 ft min before blittiness starts. WiFi is even farther.
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Bluetooth and WiFi range problem solved!
My problem is finally solved.! I removed the pin of the wristband in which the antenna is located and found that both black wires were scratched. I isolated them with a small peace of tape and now it works great for me.
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My problem is finally solved.! I removed the pin of the wristband in which the antenna is located and found that both black wires were scratched. I isolated them with a small peace of tape and now it works great for me.
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Just took mine apart for the second time and found the same connector lose again, hopefully sorted properly this time. How did you get the wristband pins out, mine don't seem to have screw heads.
I'm a little frustrated with remote play on this tablet. It works great for a minute or so, then it will stutter heavily and lose signal a bit for 5 seconds before it starts working again for a minute until it starts stuttering for 5 seconds and so on.
Is anyone else experiencing this? My ps4 is wired directly to the router, (AC68U) and I've tried a spare router I have which does the same thing.
No amount of tweaking router settings /channels seems to help, I'm stuck!
Thats unfortunate, I've had great success on both my devices, i have the Z2 Tablet and Z3 Phone. I'm able to play Destiny Level 27 Nightfall strikes and 28 Story modes no problem (i do have the very slightest input lag but its not really anything to effect game play, u get used to it after the first couple minutes)
I plug into my router and use wifi from my device. I have my network on wireless AC using a AC1900-Nighthawk Smart WiFi Router. Anyway it seems alot of people are having issues so i guess im lucky, i F**kin love it!!
I managed to sort the problem. Turns out that disabling location in quick settings solves the lagging.
Bad, big lags and disconnections. I've ps4 wire connected to my router (TP LINK TD-W8970) and wi-fi connection with Z3 tablet.
I'm in the same room as my router but connection is poor. I'm getting disconnects every one or two minutes, artifacts on the screen. Lag is also noticeable, so aiming works with big inertia. BTW I've only tested this with Destiny.
I've bought Z3 mainly due remote play feature, I could wait for new nexus, but remote play was big feature for me.
Now it looks like something not usable, at least in high action games.
It's ok. Better than on the Vita, but mainly due to being able to use a DS4. On my home wifi (wired PS4, Meraki MR18 dual-band 2-stream 802.11n wifi AP) connection is flawless, as it should be.
My only bugbear is that it won't allow a connection over 4G/LTE. I've got 20Gb Data I can implement and if I'm connected to 4G it's likely to be faster than most public wifi points, so why can't I use it?
I was going to say I literally got an ac68u and z3tc the same day and it works flawlessly. Given I have 150mbit home Internet and dual 2.4 and 5ghz and z3tc was on the 5ghz band while 4 other devices were connected two watching a movie remote play was working fine. I'm glad you fixed it!
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I was going to say I literally got an ac68u and z3tc the same day and it works flawlessly. Given I have 150mbit home Internet and dual 2.4 and 5ghz and z3tc was on the 5ghz band while 4 other devices were connected two watching a movie remote play was working fine. I'm glad you fixed it!
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What Wifi settings do you have on your AC68U? I've got the same router & have lag issues with remote play when connected to the 5ghz band (2.4ghz is even worse). I've tried every combination on the wifi settings page but nothing can keep a stable AC speed connection.
When I first connect it connects at 866Mbps, then drops down to 300Mbps or lower in less than a minute, has anyone else experienced this?
I would also want to know ac68u wifi configuration for flawless remote connection. I was going to buy xDSL capable model (Asus DSL-N66U) hopping that 5 GHz wifi is the solution for my lags in remote play.
Tried to play GTA V. Very dissapointing expirience: lags, artefacts and disconnection in one minute (did not try after that). Location was off. I beleive this relies on the good wifi router very much.
Mine Works good after a few tweaks, one of the big ones is on the PS4, select the option to connect directly to the ps4. I havent had a problem since then. I wish they would unlock it to connect over different networks. I had the vita i was a couple states over visiting family and i could still play the PS4.
I agree with the majority of comments on this post. The gameplay is very laggy! I tried to play fifa 15 on it and i eventually gave up, movement is slow and pressing a command on the controller takes like a half second delay which makes the game really frustrating. I hoped it was quicker. Not sure how they'll fix this though, i have a fibre optic connection too so it's defo not my internet. Think there's just a few issues that need addressing
I would like to buy these device but for me is very important that the remote play works ok
I have a z3 compact and works very well.
I need more comments of remote play experience please
If the tablet tether to ps4 without enabling data. (ps4 connecting to z3 tablet 's tethering without enabling data), would it work? Would this make the experience better?
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I spent about an half an hour when I got my router when I got it but I manually set my 2.4 ghz channel so I get zero interference and max range. I also manually set 40hz to get 100mbits on 2.4 which blows the 1900 "nighthawk" out of the water when I had it. Then I set up 5ghz with minimal differences to default settings as nobody else had a 5ghz network around. I feel like encryption type has an effect on remote play but I need to check. I reccomend opening your network, using the 5ghz channel then remote playing. Again I get zero issues with remote play and was also able to play a few rounds of injustice over 7400 miles away. I love the ac68u allot more then the nighthawk (cnet also reflects this conclusion) For 2.4ghz long range speed, it's reliability and stability.
Since PS4 2.5 fw it is possible to remote play 60 fps. Problem is Xperia Z3 tablet is underperforming. Xperia Z3 phone has a solid performance on high settings almost PS Vita level, no problem here. In spite of sharing same specs the remote play experince on tablet is just meh on high settings. Phone and tablet settings are all the same connected to 5GHz wifi, both has Lollipop 5.0.2 up to date. Phone is D6603 tablet is SGP611.
I see 3 options that could cause this:
Screen size 5,2 vs 8;
App apk differences, phone vs tablet;
Faulty tablet hardware.
Synthetic benchmarks show very close results when comparing phone and tablet performance.
Why is the tablet underperforming in remote play?
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I managed to sort the problem. Turns out that disabling location in quick settings solves the lagging.
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I tried this yesterday and the recurring lag issue completely disappeared! Absolutely perfect now, thanks.
DS4 Interference
I had a lot of problems with remote play, but now i sloved all!!
The problem was interference with DS4 and 2.4 ghz WiFi!
Switched to 5 Ghz wi-fi and all work great! Also with the last upgrade with increased fps on remote play!!
Remote Play is a hit or miss I was having problems streaming before I tweaked my router 5ghz ports and band now I can stream 2 rooms away from the router perfectly
but there is a lot of variables like router brands , 2.4ghz vs 5ghz ac no ac how far from the router and how many walls in between how much interference in case of living on apartment neighbors wifi interference so yeah
I have been taking experiments recently and found out that reverting back to Kit Kat on tablet (23.0.1.A.0.167) is a better remote play experience than on Lollipop but still not that good as on Xperia Z3 Phone (LP 5.0.2), very close though.
Worth mentioning that Sony applied a bandwidth cap at 10 Mbit/s both remote play and share play. Which is interesting because my network setup link speed is 433-866 Mbit/s and real life scenario like file transfering is ~140 Mbit/s. So local network LAN remote play shouldn't be capped at 10 Mbit/s.
I still don't understand why the Xperia Z3 Phone can do better than Xperia Z3 Tablet in same environment, same settings, same hardware, etc.
Yesterday I turned off 2.4 GHz radio in router and felt that controls were more responsive maybe latency got better. In fps multiplayer games I definitely felt aiming and controlling were better. I cannot prove it with measurements it is only my sense but if you have a dual band router you can try to disable 2.4 GHz band and see if remote play is faster.
I ordered my very first smartwatch from the UK Motorola website and thought I would jump on the bandwagon of the new mobile technology. I settled with the Moto 360 2 after the LG Urban 2 came off for hardware issues but I'm not totally satisfied how it works and whether I'm benefiting much. Now I don't know if this is a bug or whether this is how it connects but, when I turn the Bluetooth off on my phone it switches to WiFi as expected. However, as soon as I turn the WiFi off on the phone, the SmartWatch shows a cloud icon with a line going through it saying disconnected. What's weird is the in the watch's settings the Wi-Fi is clearly connected, but as soon as I cut the connection off from my phone whether it's Bluetooth or WiFi the watch can't work independently. Is this normal? I know its primarily a device to push notifications to your wrist but surely I can get more use our of this watch that that?
Will
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I think you're right, it should work without WiFi and Bluetooth on your phone enabled. I also have a new watch and have tried the steps you describe and it connects just fine.