So it's been a while since I've used a samsung device (note 3). Normally, the first thing I do when I get a new phone is root it, but I'm concerned that samsung pay will require knox to be intact. Any thoughts? Was a way to reset knox ever discovered for newer samsung phones? Just thinking out loud.
dcmtnbkr said:
So it's been a while since I've used a samsung device (note 3). Normally, the first thing I do when I get a new phone is root it, but I'm concerned that samsung pay will require knox to be intact. Any thoughts? Was a way to reset knox ever discovered for newer samsung phones? Just thinking out loud.
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The only thought to be had about the matter right now is, it might require KNOX, it might not.
It's not even a thing at the moment, so there's just no real information about it out there.
i'm willing to give up root for samsung pay.
samsung pay is so awesome! it said loopPay works with 90% of retailers, so which 10% of retailers dont work?
dcmtnbkr said:
So it's been a while since I've used a samsung device (note 3). Normally, the first thing I do when I get a new phone is root it, but I'm concerned that samsung pay will require knox to be intact. Any thoughts? Was a way to reset knox ever discovered for newer samsung phones? Just thinking out loud.
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Plus their talking the summer before it's live and that's just the U.S., and Korea, that means NOTHING in the real world. Who's summer, early or late summer, is it a update the carries must push or just an app? I wanted to give it a go if it was "working out the box" but again it was another Samsung marketing scheme! Note 5, S7, may have it working out the box.
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I can't imagine that Knox will be required for samsung pay, but having an unrooted phone might..
Time will tell
Confirmed, samsung pay won't work with rooted phones
http://www.gsmarena.com/rooting_your_galaxy_s6_or_s6_edge_will_disable_samsung_pay-news-11984.php
how is it confirmed ?
loopPay is not out yet, no one has used it.
I beginning to question... maybe Samsung say s6 support loopPay just so they can sell more phones !
why can't I use loopPay now ? what is with this summer BS ?
netnerd said:
how is it confirmed ?
loopPay is not out yet, no one has used it.
I beginning to question... maybe Samsung say s6 support loopPay just so they can sell more phones !
why can't I use loopPay now ? what is with this summer BS ?
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It might no be 100% confirmed but common sense would say that it wouldn't work with a modified OS. Payment security is a big deal and massive concern for many company's .
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I beginning to question... maybe Samsung say s6 support loopPay just so they can sell more phones !
why can't I use loopPay now ? what is with this summer BS ?
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i dont get it either. apple devices support ApplePay at day one. Facepalm.
I'm I the only one whos wondering how this will improve my life? I mean am i missing an obvious feature of sampay? will all my cards suddenly stop working? LoL It'll be cool and all that but how will it change the way I do anything?
Just wondering why so many people won't root for something that a piece of plastic I already have in my wallet does?
I need to be educated more on this topic
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I'm I the only one whos wondering how this will improve my life? I mean am i missing an obvious feature of sampay? will all my cards suddenly stop working? LoL It'll be cool and all that but how will it change the way I do anything?
Just wondering why so many people won't root for something that a piece of plastic I already have in my wallet does?
I need to be educated more on this topic
Cheers
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It wont improve your life..
Logic rarely comes into play when a cell phone feature is marketed as "must have";
The reality is, if you plan on using your cell phone as your financial conduit in your daily life, you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of identity theft, hackers, and the nightmare of a lost or misplaced /hacked/phone /credit card machine..
I mean I have used Google wallet a couple times for proof of concept, but I am much too cautious, and concerned about using ANY electronic device in the manner that Samsung is hawking this process; don't forget, Samsung will make a commission on EVERY TRANSACTION you might do with your cell phone, so, as always, its only motivation is more profit for Samsung, nothing more, and nothing less
If you are all for that, enjoy this procedure, whenever it happens to come out.
But, the vast majority of us will continue to pay as we always have..
Its just as easy to take a credit card out of my pocket, as it is to take my cell phone out of my pocket..
wase4711 said:
It wont improve your life..
Logic rarely comes into play when a cell phone feature is marketed as "must have";
The reality is, if you plan on using your cell phone as your financial conduit in your daily life, you have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of identity theft, hackers, and the nightmare of a lost or misplaced /hacked/phone /credit card machine..
I mean I have used Google wallet a couple times for proof of concept, but I am much too cautious, and concerned about using ANY electronic device in the manner that Samsung is hawking this process; don't forget, Samsung will make a commission on EVERY TRANSACTION you might do with your cell phone, so, as always, its only motivation is more profit for Samsung, nothing more, and nothing less
If you are all for that, enjoy this procedure, whenever it happens to come out.
But, the vast majority of us will continue to pay as we always have..
Its just as easy to take a credit card out of my pocket, as it is to take my cell phone out of my pocket..
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Good reply. Thanks. Just thought I was missing something .
Cheers
tiboric said:
I'm I the only one whos wondering how this will improve my life? I mean am i missing an obvious feature of sampay? will all my cards suddenly stop working? LoL It'll be cool and all that but how will it change the way I do anything?
Just wondering why so many people won't root for something that a piece of plastic I already have in my wallet does?
I need to be educated more on this topic
Cheers
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It won't drastically improve your life, but it's a practical feature that can be useful for some people. Maybe for people who don't like carrying wallets. You can just stick your ID in between your phone and your phone case, and you're good to go.
Also, if you forget your wallet... Something that might happen these days considering how everyone has their phone with them no matter what.
If we can use Samsung pay with next Gear Watch like Apple did with their Watch... Man, that is huge.
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Try signing my petition to allow rooted users to use Samsung Pay
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-allow-people-with-rooted-phones-to-use-samsung-pay
Signed.
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http://pulse.me/s/dVRNm
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Change we can depend on!! Lol jokes aside looks interesting, Idk about changing the home screens but who knows it may be better
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Change we can depend on!! Lol jokes aside looks interesting, Idk about changing the home screens but who knows it may be better
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I like the part about better power management and the overall new Nexus Program.
Sounds good to me. There are definite GUI improvements that could be made. Not sure about "tabs" but anything is worth looking at.
Lastly, there is a chance that we see some sort of a “customization center” that allows you to choose from a stock Android experience or a custom skin from the manufacturer of the phone (Sense from HTC, Blur from Motorola, TouchWiz from Samsung, etc.).
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Awesome. I REALLY like that part. Sounds like a move to address the fragmentation issue??
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Awesome. I REALLY like that part. Sounds like a move to address the fragmentation issue??
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Yes that idea sounds amazing but I wonder how they'll implement that.
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Yes that idea sounds amazing but I wonder how they'll implement that.
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Well, If they could make it cloud based where you can just download the skin you want and it will remove the existing it could work. Plus each manufacturer would be responsible for driver implementation on that hardware. It could work nicely I think.
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Well, If they could make it cloud based where you can just download the skin you want and it will remove the existing it could work. Plus each manufacturer would be responsible for driver implementation on that hardware. It could work nicely I think.
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Either that or they could use part of that 64gb required on all new Nexus phones.
It says 64mb not 64gb :-\
They must include a stock Android experience and 64MB of secure memory for media streaming.
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I saw this yesterday and almost crapped my pants because it was so awesome. No longer will we be stuck with one phone as a nexus phone that has sub-par hardware or have to chose a device with a skin we hate because it has better hardware. I didn't see this but I'm assuming for it to be qualified as a Nexus device it has to have an unlocked bootloader.
Good things are coming soon guys
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Either that or they could use part of that 64gb required on all new Nexus phones.
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That's 64MB, not GB, and it's part of RAM. It's to be used for caching protected content like movies so you can't rip/save streaming content. And it's a bad thing, a lockdown mechanism, a concession to the phone and media companies and protection for Google Play's bottom line.
In fact, I see most of the aspects of this "Nexus Certification" concept as negative and have a very bad feeling about how this will turn out. True Nexus devices have all their hardware drivers and software written by Google, barring some binary pieces. Unfortunately they likely don't have the resources to handle such a differing hardware strata. This may put control back into the manufacturers' hands, meaning:
Poorly written software (and after seeing HTC's custom source, I'll never buy a device with HTC-written software again)
Slow updates or no updates
Delayed stock android. I wouldn't be surprised it it ends up as a "promised" or optional update to be delivered later, and phones end up shipping with proprietary frameworks.
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That's 64MB, not GB, and it's part of RAM. It's to be used for caching protected content like movies so you can't rip/save streaming content. And it's a bad thing, a lockdown mechanism, a concession to the phone and media companies and protection for Google Play's bottom line.
In fact, I see most of the aspects of this "Nexus Certification" concept as negative and have a very bad feeling about how this will turn out. True Nexus devices have all their hardware drivers and software written by Google, barring some binary pieces. Unfortunately they likely don't have the resources to handle such a differing hardware strata. This may put control back into the manufacturers' hands, meaning:
Poorly written software (and after seeing HTC's custom source, I'll never buy a device with HTC-written software again)
Slow updates or no updates
Delayed stock android. I wouldn't be surprised it it ends up as a "promised" or optional update to be delivered later, and phones end up shipping with proprietary frameworks.
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Oh wow I totally misread that ram part. Sounds awful.
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Poorly written software (and after seeing HTC's custom source, I'll never buy a device with HTC-written software again)
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You know, I take this back. By coincidence I just happened on an old newsgroup post: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/55060 where Linus blames everyone for just such a problem.
It's disheartening how these companies just slap together enough to get things working and leave it at that. I can't see any of them doing any more than the bare minimum to get their devices certified, and they'll lack the foresight and effort the Google programmers put towards a single device for certain.
If ownership does become each manufacturer's responsibility, I wonder if we'd lose more things that would be too much of an inconvenience for them, like the Nexus program's timely source code releases.
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You know, I take this back. By coincidence I just happened on an old newsgroup post: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/55060 where Linus blames everyone for just such a problem.
It's disheartening how these companies just slap together enough to get things working and leave it at that. I can't see any of them doing any more than the bare minimum to get their devices certified, and they'll lack the foresight and effort the Google programmers put towards a single device for certain.
If ownership does become each manufacturer's responsibility, I wonder if we'd lose more things that would be too much of an inconvenience for them, like the Nexus program's timely source code releases.
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But really isn't that kind of how business works? Get people to pay as much as possible for something that you can produce as cheap and efficient as possible? Not making excuses for them, but I get the drive to feed the bottom line $$$
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But really isn't that kind of how business works? Get people to pay as much as possible for something that you can produce as cheap and efficient as possible?
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Of course. But up until this point we at least had a true Nexus device that we were sure at least had decent software on it (by virtue only of my opinion ). That was always a last bastion of properly written code. You could buy a device which ran it, or could look to it in order to see how things were intended to be done. It was written both for operation and for reference, and that made it higher quality than something written solely for profit.
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Of course. But up until this point we at least had a true Nexus device that we were sure at least had decent software on it (by virtue only of my opinion ). That was always a last bastion of properly written code. You could buy a device which ran it, or could look to it in order to see how things were intended to be done. It was written both for operation and for reference, and that made it higher quality than something written solely for profit.
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Ah, got it. So if they did this with the next Nexus device, then the only way that it would be good is if it went through an approval process by Google to verify quality control? Sounds good to me!
This mod was discovered for the S3. I have followed the instructions and verified that it works on the S4 also.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1829681
I was able to "open as text" in Root Explorer to modify the original file. Saving the file from there automatically created a .bak of the original.
0reo said:
This mod was discovered for the S3. I have followed the instructions and verified that it works on the S4 also.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1829681
I was able to "open as text" in Root Explorer to modify the original file. Saving the file from there automatically created a .bak of the original.
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My question is why would you want to disable them? If a presidential alert was ever issued I think you'd definitely want to know about it as they are not issued often at all.
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On my old Droid X I used to get Emergency Alert System Tests under the "Presidential Alert" heading. They were obnoxious. Not to mention the fact that I simply don't use my phone that way and prefer to get my emergency preparedness alerts from other sources. Oh, and I also have a real problem with .gov cramming this useless nanny-state garbage down my throat.
You want your "[propaganda] alerts" that's fine, don't turn them off. Some people want them turned off and the link above explains how.
That's strange that you got common EAS tests, as I have never received one in my history of owning a smart phone or any phone for that matter. I think it would be a wise idea to keep them on there just in case you are not around "other sources" if something crazy happened. Just my two cents. But thanks for the contribution, I am sure there are other people that feel the same way.
Are we supposed to believe any message that comes through those alerts?
You guys do as you want, I just hope not tax payer money will be spend rescuing you after you fail to heed the warnings.
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Are we supposed to believe any message that comes through those alerts?
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Yea as it will mean the country is under attack or something catastrophic has happened.
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timeToy said:
You guys do as you want, I just hope not tax payer money will be spend rescuing you after you fail to heed the warnings.
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You mean like Katrina style camp FEMA? Please don't! I can handle myself, thank you very much but no thanks.
Ignorance is not a virtue...
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You guys do as you want, I just hope not tax payer money will be spend rescuing you after you fail to heed the warnings.
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lol yet taxpayer money goes out to pay for the systems to send these texts out. i don't need a text to get a tornado warning; there's 2893489234893 weather apps on android that do it, along with the fact i own a weather radio that specifically alerts me for it. i don't need my cellphone to do it from the government.
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lol yet taxpayer money goes out to pay for the systems to send these texts out. i don't need a text to get a tornado warning; there's 2893489234893 weather apps on android that do it, along with the fact i own a weather radio that specifically alerts me for it. i don't need my cellphone to do it from the government.
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Welt it never hurts. The weather apps I find can have a delay and if a tornado is rilling my way id like to have as much warning as I can get and as many warnings.
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In all the time I've been a smartphone user, I've gotten test alerts every once in a good while, and the only emergencies I've ever gotten was several flood warnings, despite the fact that in that realm of time we even had tornado emergencies and ZERO EAS alert on my phone.
This shouldn't even be a conversation. If you statist sheeple want your paranoia alerts no one is stopping you. Yet you have this retarded mental breakdown that those of us capable of self reliance and critical thinking need to be convinced to see things your way. You just can't deal with the fact that your view isn't the only one, can you?
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This shouldn't even be a conversation. If you statist sheeple want your paranoia alerts no one is stopping you. Yet you have this retarded mental breakdown that those of us capable of self reliance and critical thinking need to be convinced to see things your way. You just can't deal with the fact that your view isn't the only one, can you?
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Not really, it's just tinfoil hat club conspiracy theorists like you that have to denouce a tested and proven method of keeping the general populace safe. Did you throw your FM radio out the window when it started giving weather alerts?
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This shouldn't even be a conversation. If you statist sheeple want your paranoia alerts no one is stopping you. Yet you have this retarded mental breakdown that those of us capable of self reliance and critical thinking need to be convinced to see things your way. You just can't deal with the fact that your view isn't the only one, can you?
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Looks like the oxygen is pretty thin up there on your high horse.
It's ironic that you mention critical thinking skills because your rant is clearly and concisely demonstrative of a lack of said skills. You may want to study up on logical fallacies because you've relied on them heavily.
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0reo said:
This mod was discovered for the S3. I have followed the instructions and verified that it works on the S4 also.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1829681
I was able to "open as text" in Root Explorer to modify the original file. Saving the file from there automatically created a .bak of the original.
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dont know
0reo said:
This shouldn't even be a conversation. If you statist sheeple want your paranoia alerts no one is stopping you. Yet you have this retarded mental breakdown that those of us capable of self reliance and critical thinking need to be convinced to see things your way. You just can't deal with the fact that your view isn't the only one, can you?
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The reason nobody is agreeing with you is not because of your stance, it's because of your attitude. Even the people that would normally agree with your point of view most-likely closed the topic and shook their head because you're coming across like a spoiled teenager telling his parents he doesn't need their help and wants to do things his own way.
If you don't want the alerts: Wonderful; however, calling people that see a need for the alerts (or at least understand the reason for them) statist sheeple and [mental retards] is beyond reprehensible.
Oh, and read najaboy's response...then do a google search for logical fallacies. It's like you're just going down the list while creating your argument and demonstrating every one.
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Just wanted to point out that this is not a "Presidential" alert, it's an "Extreme" alert, which ARE able to be unchecked by default.
I usually am really good with words. But this thread has left me quite speechless... Closed before the President reports anymore weather....
I can't find it anywhere in the settings. Is this a T-Mobile only thing? I'm fairly certain the AT&T and Verizon version have this feature.
seh6183 said:
I can't find it anywhere in the settings. Is this a T-Mobile only thing? I'm fairly certain the AT&T and Verizon version have this feature.
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Only Verizon and US cellular.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-and-U.S.-Cellular-Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id54826
EDIT: you can enable it if you're rooted by editing a file in the system/csc folder.
aooga said:
Only Verizon and US cellular.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-and-U.S.-Cellular-Samsung-Galaxy-S5_id54826
EDIT: you can enable it if you're rooted by editing a file in the system/csc folder.
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Thank you for this but I went through every file in there and couldn't find anything for reactivation lock. I was however, able to enable the change sim notification. Any idea what file it is in?
seh6183 said:
Thank you for this but I went through every file in there and couldn't find anything for reactivation lock. I was however, able to enable the change sim notification. Any idea what file it is in?
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Try system/CSC/features.xml EDIT: This might not be what you're looking for, but it's something. Sorry I guess I was wrong in saying that it can be enabled by a csc edit.
Change it to this:
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Then reboot and you should get this I security.
I did that and got the menus enabled now. But that still isn't reactivation lock. I can't find the setting for reactivation lock.
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I did that and got the menus enabled now. But that still isn't reactivation lock. I can't find the setting for reactivation lock.
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It might not be toggled by a csc edit then. Why do you want it in the first place?
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It might not be toggled by a csc edit then. Why do you want it in the first place?
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Well because it's a huge deal in my opinion. If someone steals my phone they can't get back into it even if they wipe it.
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Well because it's a huge deal in my opinion. If someone steals my phone they can't get back into it even if they wipe it.
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If they know how to root it, they can in 2 minutes. Just boot into the bootloader, flash a custom recovery, flash a custom rom, and presto, you're in. If you're already rooted, well, that just makes it laughably easy. Apple's approach is the only really secure one.
I think assuming that a thief would have any understanding of rooting or flashing custom bootloaders would be a little over the top. Out of every single human being that I know only 2 know how to root a phone.
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I'm thinking that the part in bold could be your snag.
Seriously though, some carriers are enabling this and some are not. A serious flaw as universal availability of the feature would make it infinitely more effective.
You can enable it yourself by availing yourself to a custom ROM or by editing the properties XML. Once enabled, the menu shows up under Settings > General > Security
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Damn what setting in the XML did you adjust? I was able to enable find my mobile and sim change notify but not the reactivation.
And lol yea maybe I should try this on an actual s5 and not my iPhone
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I think assuming that a thief would have any understanding of rooting or flashing custom bootloaders would be a little over the top. Out of every single human being that I know only 2 know how to root a phone.
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This misses an important point. It doesn't matter a lot how many people in the general populace know how to root a phone in front of them. If a security feature like reactivation lock is to be a strong deterrent to theft, it needs to be highly secure where no one or damn near no one is able to defeat it. It's not sufficient that it's hard to do. It only takes one electronic wiz in a city who is willing to unlock phones of shady origin to establish a strong local demand for stolen phones.
A thief doesn't need to have any technical skills. Word will quickly get around about the shady repair shop or fence that can fix them or is willing to buy stolen phones because he knows where they can be unlocked. For this to work as an effective deterrent, stolen phones need to be rendered paperweights that cannot be unlocked without heroic measures.
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This misses an important point. It doesn't matter a lot how many people in the general populace know how to root a phone in front of them. If a security feature like reactivation lock is to be a strong deterrent to theft, it needs to be highly secure where no one or damn near no one is able to defeat it. It's not sufficient that it's hard to do. It only takes one electronic wiz in a city who is willing to unlock phones of shady origin to establish a strong local demand for stolen phones.
A thief doesn't need to have any technical skills. Word will quickly get around about the shady repair shop or fence that can fix them or is willing to buy stolen phones because he knows where they can be unlocked. For this to work as an effective deterrent, stolen phones need to be rendered paperweights that cannot be unlocked without heroic measures.
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:good:
All it takes is them googling "how to bypass samsung activation lock" and they're in. Probably shouldn't have put this up
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This misses an important point. It doesn't matter a lot how many people in the general populace know how to root a phone in front of them. If a security feature like reactivation lock is to be a strong deterrent to theft, it needs to be highly secure where no one or damn near no one is able to defeat it. It's not sufficient that it's hard to do. It only takes one electronic wiz in a city who is willing to unlock phones of shady origin to establish a strong local demand for stolen phones.
A thief doesn't need to have any technical skills. Word will quickly get around about the shady repair shop or fence that can fix them or is willing to buy stolen phones because he knows where they can be unlocked. For this to work as an effective deterrent, stolen phones need to be rendered paperweights that cannot be unlocked without heroic measures.
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Okay and for the dozens of other samsung phones that have locked bootloaders it works perfectly fine for. So the only exploitable phones are ones with unlockable bootloaders. The rest are safe,
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Uh no, Or at least you don't provide any evidence to support that thesis. The exploit that I've seen does not depend on the bootloader.
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And how exactly will you flash a custom recovery without unlocking the bootloader?
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Sigh. One, you seem a bit off topic. And two, I am not going to post an explanation of how to defeat a core security feature. If you have a lot of curiosity you will have to do your own search. And I'd hope that you'd refrain from reposting that kind of information too.
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You know what I don't care, I can't even believe I was baited into this useless argument. The fact remains is that the feature is at least semi functional and a DETERRENT to criminals. Nothing is fool proof. You can have the best car alarm in the world and someone can roll up with a tow truck and take off with it. The point is to make it harder for thieves to get away with it and thats all Im looking for. .
Hello there I'm an avid android user rooting and roms. I wanted to ask everyone about how we can grow a community for verizon wewr 24 smart watch. Given the price $80 I think it's the best bang for the bucks as every other watch is north of 200. Wanted to know how I could make that happen. Coz with custom rom unlocked bootloader this thing could be a beast !!
Well I bought one, and I can second the fact that I would be interested in using a custom rom. However what you need is someone who can actually get into the nuts and bolts, to buy one and feel like if they put time into doing that work, that there would be a big enough audience that it would be worth it. There has to be at least a decent sized audience, then you might get a second wave of buys from this community if people see progress. So I think step one, show that an audience of users that want a custom rom on the Wear24 exists.
I also have some interest. I'd be willing to help, but I'm not really sure where to start. I know that with phones Verizon has locked the bootloader and made it tough to get root. I wonder if that is the case with the watch also.
I'm also super interested, mainly to enable NFC (for Android Pay, which seems to be a problem for rooted phones) and LTE on other networks. I'm still waiting on mine to arrive in the UK, it's currently stuck at ebay's Global Shipping Center for more than 4 days. I don't know the first thing about developing a root or custom rom, but I'll try to learn.
Hey guys,
I am also interested in development for this watch, I've kept it on wear v1.5 for now, since I enjoy using it for the mic from time to time, and have disabled cellular and the sim, and am getting around 3 days of consistent battery life with light use, always on screen, and motion wake. Some issues I am having - besides the annoyingly persistent update available notification, is that phone calls from my contacts come in on the watch, but unknown calls don't notify me. Additionally, using ok google to text works but the watch still displays an error and to do it on the phone.
Adb seems to require a rooted watch to disable the vzn messages+ or the update notification - as it kept giving me errors, but maybe someone else can figure that out. I also tried the command oem unlock with no luck, as I couldn't get the watch to accept adb commands in recovery.
My recovery mode lists the watch as dorado v1.21.
Any suggestions/advice?
I also just purchased one. They are now on sale for 50$. I would be willing to toss an additional 50$ to the first developer that could get a clean running android wear port running. And enable the NFC. I am not a verizon customer, nor do i have any intention of ever activation the LTE on a watch.
I too jumped on the $50 price tag in hopes of root and custom ROM at some point in the near future. Would be cool to make this thing as good as it could be instead of the gutted version Verizon tried to sell us.
Same here , got one for $50 today. hoping to find port a clean 2.0 rom. Willing to help.
Got one for $50 today as well.
Perhaps we find a developer and buy them a watch
Another new guy here as of my order today.
Definitely interested in a clean wear 2.0 ROM, and happy to test - watch was an impulse buy due to price, so willing to risk bricks.
Same here guys. Been on the fence for months about buying a smartwatch. I wanted one like Fossil or Movado (super pricey), but in no way could justify the pricing, especially with missing features like Android Pay and not even having Wear 3.0.
At $50, I don't care about missing features now!
Where can I find the 2.7 update or any custom wear rom?
I had one of these watches when they first launched. I returned it because of the vzw crap they put on it. I don't like Verizon messages app and it really wants you to use it. I would buy one again and also throw in $50 to anyone willing to get root and work a custom ROM for it. I have rooted all of my previous Android phones before the pixel XL and would love to root this watch to get rid of vzw apps and just run what I want with better functionality! If anyone is interested please let us know!
Also picked up the $50 watch and would love to have a clean watch as well. NFC payment would be a plus but mostly want to get all the junk off this watch.
Has anyone had any success with contacting verizon to get them to release the GPL source code ?
I think that would be the best place to start.
Find some contact info. and start bombarding them en mass with requests.
grendude said:
Has anyone had any success with contacting verizon to get them to release the GPL source code ?
I think that would be the best place to start.
Find some contact info. and start bombarding them en mass with requests.
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Isn't this just a white-label device? If so, would we target Verizon for GPL or the actual manufacturer, Quanta Computer?
id increase the bounty, $25 from me to a dev who can get NFC working and extra LTE band support
Found this interesting. In a verizon promo video it has the android pay app on the watch. I won't get mine until next week. Is this app on there but doesn't work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN3W6th6lPI&t=0m30s
Screenshot of the youtube video
https://imgur.com/a/nWj0s
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id increase the bounty, $25 from me to a dev who can get NFC working and extra LTE band support
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I started setting up a gofundme... But lost interest, to much work to set one up. I thing a 15-20$ buy in would raise quite a bit of money for a developer
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id increase the bounty, $25 from me to a dev who can get NFC working and extra LTE band support
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I don't care about LTE, but I'm in for $20 for NFC functional with Android pay.
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I don't care about LTE, but I'm in for $20 for NFC functional with Android pay.
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I'm in 20 for nfc and android pay and an extra 30 if we get root or rom
Guys I bought this device when it first came out, never did I ever think there would be zero dev interest in the device, or perhaps it would be better to state that the reason there isn't much in the way of dev interest is because Huawei has this device locked down with EMUI and it appears no one can break through. For those who don't need root then this doesn't really matter, but most of my apps do require root. My final solution was to forget the Huawei device and I bought what I believe is the most powerful device on the market today and I've already rooted it and I'm flying along. That device is the Asus Rog Phone 2, you might want to take a look at this and then decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wwe5OW_jPE
I wish all of you the very best but I had enough of Huawei. To be fair I don't think the problem is all about Huawei, a big part of it is the clown in the White House.
I'm out of here, Krissy
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Lol @ White House clown.
Interesting review you linked, I'm going to do some more research into the phone, although I'm far from a gamer.
It would be good if you posted your thoughts after using it for a few weeks.
Good luck, I hope you still have the same enthusiasm after getting used to it.
Take a look here.
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Lol @ White House clown.
Interesting review you linked, I'm going to do some more research into the phone, although I'm far from a gamer.
It would be good if you posted your thoughts after using it for a few weeks.
Good luck, I hope you still have the same enthusiasm after getting used to it.
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I'm not a gamer either, my philosophy however is that gaming devices are more reliable and sturdy because of the punishment they take from actual gamer's. My thought is it if holds up for a gamer then it should be no problem for me. So far this phone has proven me correct. One of the specs that blows me away is that there is a setting to set the device to 240 refresh, that's pretty darn quick. If you have any questions I'm open to answering them, that's how impressed I am with this puppy
Every phone I owned for the last 10 years was rooted. I bought the P30 Pro knowing I couldn't and wouldn't root, and I've never been happier.
"All your apps" require root? Your phone sounds FUN! Seriously, no games? No social media? I agree, a lot of apps need root, all of which are important, if you're rooted. Ad-block is the main reason for rooting, but you can't just have ad-block, you need Magisk manager, obviously. And twrp manager, because you need twrp to flash your root. Root browser, for those times you need to fix things you screwed up by being rooted. Greenify, to act as a placebo, because now you're rooted you can't be sure things work as they should. Busy Box for... erm, well nobody really knows what that's for. So yeah that's at least 6 apps. For one thing.
Once I realised you can block ads using the private DNS feature in Android 10, all of the above was pointless.
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Every phone I owned for the last 10 years was rooted. I bought the P30 Pro knowing I couldn't and wouldn't root, and I've never been happier.
Once I realised you can block ads using the private DNS feature in Android 10, all of the above was pointless.
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100% completely agree with you. Have rooted all my android phones in the last 10 years and bought P30 Pro knowing couldn't root it. I use adguard private DNS to block ads and then found out can used YouTube vanced on non rooted phones by simply installing the apk. After thinking could never live without root I'm finding it particularly easy at the moment!
I've rooted every Android phone I've ever had, except my Honor 9, but don't really feel the need for the P30 Pro. Sure there are apps I can't use or install because I'm not rooted but that doesn't detract from an amazing phone. Those [required root ] apps I can probably do without anyway.
Would you run Linux as root permanently? Really?
The choice of rooting or not rooting should be a decision made by the owner of the device, not by the manufacturer. Android is marketed as open source; the practice of not allowing bootloader unlocking defeats that entirely.
Would you buy a car to then be told you're not allowed to modify it in any way? Really?
I am also disappointed but these days there is less and less reason for root. Right not, there are only three features I miss without root:
1. No Titanium Backup, so no easy way to do a full backup and make sure everything is backed up and can be restored
2. No way to limit battery charge (so it doesnt go up to 100%)
3. No DNS adblock (VPN work around is the closest I can find but that seems like it would drain battery)
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The choice of rooting or not rooting should be a decision made by the owner of the device, not by the manufacturer. Android is marketed as open source; the practice of not allowing bootloader unlocking defeats that entirely.
Would you buy a car to then be told you're not allowed to modify it in any way? Really?
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Android is NOT "marketed as open source". Show me a commercial website where it is "marketed" as such.
Android IS open source for OEMs to adapt to their devices! You bought a piece of hardware from Huawei, with a compiled Android OS. You can get the source code for Android if you want, but it comes with no hardware and no guarantee.
And your car analogy is terrible. Imagine modifying your car's software... and then your tachometer doesn't work right, or your battery drains, or your car won't start... totally unacceptable. Yet you want to do that to your phone?
I want the option to do whatever I wish. It's really quite a simple concept
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I want the option to do whatever I wish. It's really quite a simple concept
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The closest analogy for the car example is remapping the ECU. Manufacturers go to great lengths to encrypt ECUs and prevent mapping - much like locking a bootloader.
A lot of car mappers have to physically solder wires to certain points on the ECU circuitboard to enable them to map and edit the ECU programming. I'm fairly certain that if you went to that extreme to root your phone you could manage it, but nobody wants root *that* much.
And if you own a car that no engine mapper fancies finding a way to map? You're SOL - much like you are with your P30 Pro.
I used to root, now I dont. I find the devices now do 99% of the things I need without root. The 1%? I can live without Titanium Backup.
I'm sure the Asus device is powerful, but a lot of the people here bought the P30 Pro because they wanted a P30 Pro, not a different phone. Thanks for the review, but it's like going on a VW forum and saying 'OMG guys, sell up and go buy this BMW - IT'S AMAZING' - we're here because we wanted the VW...
@Isis111
Now you've had your ROG 2 for a while how are you getting along with it?
Since this thread I've been following the ROG 2 forum but even though root is available there's not much development happening. I was initially very interested after you started this thread but now I'm not sure the ROG 2 is as good as you said.
So I'm interested what your thoughts are now.
Also, what version do you have, and have you been impressed enough to buy any accessories?
Cheers