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Ok so for the life of me I cant figure out why my battery is draining so fast its literally draining about 10% an hour if not more. If tried a bunch of different tools to try and monitor it but nothing is really standing out as a main culprit. I recently had my phone replaced and I had them send a new battery just for the heck of it. Also I even tried putting Hyperdrive Roms on my phone and that did not help. So I debating on whether to go back to stock and just root and see what happens again after just removing bloatware.
I tried looking up battery tips but really haven't found anything recently. I only got my phone in May of this year. Any suggestions or links would greatly help I love my phone but cant stand the battery life. I miss my Droid Razr Maxx
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Ok so for the life of me I cant figure out why my battery is draining so fast its literally draining about 10% an hour if not more. If tried a bunch of different tools to try and monitor it but nothing is really standing out as a main culprit. I recently had my phone replaced and I had them send a new battery just for the heck of it. Also I even tried putting Hyperdrive Roms on my phone and that did not help. So I debating on whether to go back to stock and just root and see what happens again after just removing bloatware.
I tried looking up battery tips but really haven't found anything recently. I only got my phone in May of this year. Any suggestions or links would greatly help I love my phone but cant stand the battery life. I miss my Droid Razr Maxx
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Not sure but I think its a Kit Kat issue. I recall having more battery life on JB than on Kitkat with my S4.
There are lots of things you can do.
System Settings
•WiFi - change sleep policy from ALWAYS (staying on) to either "Only when plugged in" or "never"
•Account Sync - under my Google account(s) I only keep CONTACTS and GMAIL checked...the rest unchecked
•Motions, Smart Features, Gestures, Air - Turn ALL of this crap off!
•Animation Scaling- In Developer Options - I use these settings: Window Animation=OFF/ Transition Animation=0.5x/ Animator Duration=0.5x
In-App Settings
•Play Store - In settings, change Auto-Update Apps to Never...you can do this manually from time to time. If not, it'll just always scan.
•App Ops - This can be a little tedious, but go through your apps (especially under Location) and turn location off on whatever you think doesn't need it! You may want to test out each app to be sure it is functioning properly before you move on to the next app. This makes it much easier to go back and enable it again if you see its needed. Most of the Google apps are gonna need it.
Freeze or Uninstall System Apps
•Check out my thread on which system apps you can remove here
***I recommend using NoBloat to make your changes with:good:
Additional apps & Xposed modules to check out
•Greenify - Hands down my favorite battery saving app. If you don't know it, that's why your battery life sucks! Seriously though, GET IT!
•Greenify Donation (Xposed) - Adds several more features, such as allowing system apps to be greenifiable! Also works well with WakeLock Detector
•WakeLock Detector - Helps determine which apps are waking up your phone while its asleep...allows you to prevent future wakeups.
•Gsam Battery Monitor Pro - Not sure if the free version lets you use the monitoring feature or not, but basically it is like a glorified battery usage graph (like in system settings)
•BootManager - Xposed module allowing you to select which apps are able to run in startup. Not sure how it compares with Greenify, but I just use both
•Prevent Running - Also similar to Greenify. I'm in the process of checking this one out, so don't hold me to it being great.
I took this from @calebcabob
SUPERSPORT25 said:
Ok so for the life of me I cant figure out why my battery is draining so fast its literally draining about 10% an hour if not more. If tried a bunch of different tools to try and monitor it but nothing is really standing out as a main culprit. I recently had my phone replaced and I had them send a new battery just for the heck of it. Also I even tried putting Hyperdrive Roms on my phone and that did not help. So I debating on whether to go back to stock and just root and see what happens again after just removing bloatware.
I tried looking up battery tips but really haven't found anything recently. I only got my phone in May of this year. Any suggestions or links would greatly help I love my phone but cant stand the battery life. I miss my Droid Razr Maxx
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Post the log from BetterBatteryStats, that tells all.
GrizzlyBarrn said:
There are lots of things you can do.
System Settings
•WiFi - change sleep policy from ALWAYS (staying on) to either "Only when plugged in" or "never"
•Account Sync - under my Google account(s) I only keep CONTACTS and GMAIL checked...the rest unchecked
•Motions, Smart Features, Gestures, Air - Turn ALL of this crap off!
•Animation Scaling- In Developer Options - I use these settings: Window Animation=OFF/ Transition Animation=0.5x/ Animator Duration=0.5x
In-App Settings
•Play Store - In settings, change Auto-Update Apps to Never...you can do this manually from time to time. If not, it'll just always scan.
•App Ops - This can be a little tedious, but go through your apps (especially under Location) and turn location off on whatever you think doesn't need it! You may want to test out each app to be sure it is functioning properly before you move on to the next app. This makes it much easier to go back and enable it again if you see its needed. Most of the Google apps are gonna need it.
Freeze or Uninstall System Apps
•Check out my thread on which system apps you can remove here
***I recommend using NoBloat to make your changes with:good:
Additional apps & Xposed modules to check out
•Greenify - Hands down my favorite battery saving app. If you don't know it, that's why your battery life sucks! Seriously though, GET IT!
•Greenify Donation (Xposed) - Adds several more features, such as allowing system apps to be greenifiable! Also works well with WakeLock Detector
•WakeLock Detector - Helps determine which apps are waking up your phone while its asleep...allows you to prevent future wakeups.
•Gsam Battery Monitor Pro - Not sure if the free version lets you use the monitoring feature or not, but basically it is like a glorified battery usage graph (like in system settings)
•BootManager - Xposed module allowing you to select which apps are able to run in startup. Not sure how it compares with Greenify, but I just use both
•Prevent Running - Also similar to Greenify. I'm in the process of checking this one out, so don't hold me to it being great.
I took this from @calebcabob
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This is good info thanks. I am doing most of it such as Greenify, etc. Wakelock Detector I have no clue how to use though. I open it up and its like chinese to me any tips on using that? I did not realize the play store is always scanning for updates...interesting. The only thing I see disturbing is that security is the thing I see most used even after shutting the phone off and turning it back on in Usage Timelines. I am rooted and Knox is disabled so im wondering what is causing the high usage on this.
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This is good info thanks. I am doing most of it such as Greenify, etc. Wakelock Detector I have no clue how to use though. I open it up and its like chinese to me any tips on using that? I did not realize the play store is always scanning for updates...interesting. The only thing I see disturbing is that security is the thing I see most used even after shutting the phone off and turning it back on in Usage Timelines. I am rooted and Knox is disabled so im wondering what is causing the high usage on this.
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WakeLock detector works great for exactly what you're trying to figure out. Check out the WakeLock guide, it'll show you exactly what it's role is. Once you have it installed, you will sometimes see a scissors icon in Greenify when you have something listed under NOT hibernating or pending...click it! You'll see the option for Greenify to "cut-off" the process chain...this prevents further wakeups from what had specifically started up the process. I highly recommend you take a look at gsam battery monitor (I think that's the name), it will also give you details on which processes are killing your battery.
I am not positive but I think you can disable that security process without any issue. You may want to Google that though.
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SUPERSPORT25 said:
This is good info thanks. I am doing most of it such as Greenify, etc. Wakelock Detector I have no clue how to use though. I open it up and its like chinese to me any tips on using that? I did not realize the play store is always scanning for updates...interesting. The only thing I see disturbing is that security is the thing I see most used even after shutting the phone off and turning it back on in Usage Timelines. I am rooted and Knox is disabled so im wondering what is causing the high usage on this.
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Short answer...WakeLock only detects, you decide what you need to STOP from there. But there are apps that can utilize WakeLock to detect those battery killers and stop, freeze or remove processes or apps for you...such as Greenify.
Also, I can't stress enough how worth it it is to buy Greenify's experimental features, as it will allow you to get deeper into the whole Greenifying thing!! Hell yes it does:good:
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WakeLock detector works great for exactly what you're trying to figure out. Check out the WakeLock guide, it'll show you exactly what it's role is. Once you have it installed, you will sometimes see a scissors icon in Greenify when you have something listed under NOT hibernating or pending...click it! You'll see the option for Greenify to "cut-off" the process chain...this prevents further wakeups from what had specifically started up the process. I highly recommend you take a look at gsam battery monitor (I think that's the name), it will also give you details on which processes are killing your battery.
I am not positive but I think you can disable that security process without any issue. You may want to Google that though.
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Short answer...WakeLock only detects, you decide what you need to STOP from there. But there are apps that can utilize WakeLock to detect those battery killers and stop, freeze or remove processes or apps for you...such as Greenify.
Also, I can't stress enough how worth it it is to buy Greenify's experimental features, as it will allow you to get deeper into the whole Greenifying thing!! Hell yes it does:good:
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Yes I pretty much have everything that people have suggested including the experimental version of Greenify. I am running Wakelock Detector, GSAM Battery Monitor, Usage Timelines.
However I am still seeing this Security Process running at about 6% and about 82.45 MB. I am not really experiencing any drain when the phone is sleeping.
SUPERSPORT25 said:
Yes I pretty much have everything that people have suggested including the experimental version of Greenify. I am running Wakelock Detector, GSAM Battery Monitor, Usage Timelines.
However I am still seeing this Security Process running at about 6% and about 82.45 MB. I am not really experiencing any drain when the phone is sleeping.
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Can u post a screenshot of gsam's monitor section? Its the part that has the list of usage...looks similar to the battery monitor screen in Android settings.
Hi all
I am using a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 4.3 stock rooted and I am having some issues with greenify. Everytime I start the app to see if it working I get this message: "Auto-hibernation service is stopped" The problem is that I am not using a 3rd-party tool or any other mode as energy saving mode on my note 2 and I still get this message. What should I do to fix it?
thx
This same problem,
S III, rom > http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-archidroid-v2-4-6-power-hands-t2354859
Xposed framework installed
Greenify is device administrator
I have full version
Please read the FAQ in post #2 in the main thread. Both of you may be having root issues.
If I may make a suggestion?
I started getting the same error message (it started right after I paid for the app). After reading "thousands" of pages I think I may have hit on the answer. Greenify is in "boost" mode, that somehow, even though it uses xposed framework, doesn't need root. So I checked supersu and greenify wasn't listed. Then I changed to "root" method and greenified an app, then supersu asked to allow greenify, thereby now having it listed again in supersu.
I then changed it back to "boost" and so far haven't had that error. Coincidently, Greenify seemed to work ok anyway even with that error.,
edit: well that blows, I started to get the error message again, so disregard what I wrote above. Maybe a fix is coming, or I'll live with manually starting auto-hibernation.
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No, I check this 3 times ...
colin p > nothing, still this same problem
anyone has ideas, what else, I can do ?
Just to add additional info, this auto-hibernation error only started after I bought the Donation Package. I don't know if it's something to do with the additional options or not. Before I bought the program, auto-hibernation worked fine.
I have a Nexus 4 (rooted with towel-root) and SuperSu and of course the Xposed framework. I uninstalled/re-installed Greenify, as well as the Donation Package and still the error pops up the first time I open Greenify. I then have to manually start auto- hibernation and it works ok after that, at least it "seems" to as everything is under the hibernated section.
After I re-installed, SuperSu asked to allow Greenify root access, so it is properly listed. I would imagine that if a significant few of us have the issue, a future update will address the error problem.
I would like to try to enable Greenify as root mode. Will the message appear?
If it isn't I would then disable the Greenify module in Xposed, then reboot (no soft reboot, just to be sure), enable module, reboot again, and then select boost mode within Greenify. Then make a last reboot. Then inspect the problem.
This is not a definite fix, though in some weird circumstances, it might work
TechnoSparks said:
I would like to try to enable Greenify as root mode. Will the message appear?
The message appears in either root or boost mode on the first time the program is opened after a boot up.
If it isn't I would then disable the Greenify module in Xposed, then reboot (no soft reboot, just to be sure), enable module, reboot again, and then select boost mode within Greenify. Then make a last reboot. Then inspect the problem.
Tried your suggestion and still get the "auto-hibernation has stopped" error.
This is not a definite fix, though in some weird circumstances, it might work
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Unfortunately, no dice. Still get that error, thanks anyway.
By George...
Well after a lot of screwing around, I think (at least for my circumstances) I "may" of found the answer. Because the error said something like "auto hibernation service is being blocked by 3rd party tool or system settings (ex.stamina mode in sony devi es. autostart manager in MIUI) Please whitelist greenify for automatic hibernation to work", I uninstalled Donkey Guard and Cydia Substrate (they were installed a couple of days before I got the pro version of Greenify, even though there was no problem with them before I got the paid version of Greenify), but still got the error. Ruling out program issues, this time I actually shut down my phone (no reboot or soft reboot) and on opening Greenify, no error. Since I was using the reboot toggle in "Notification Toggle", I tried rebooting through xposed (not soft reboot) and this time, no error. Tried again with Notification toggle and got the error.
So, at least for me, I think I may have solved the issue.....for now.
BTW thanks TechnoSparks as you gave me something to work with.
colin p said:
Well after a lot of screwing around, I think (at least for my circumstances) I "may" of found the answer. Because the error said something like "auto hibernation service is being blocked by 3rd party tool or system settings (ex.stamina mode in sony devi es. autostart manager in MIUI) Please whitelist greenify for automatic hibernation to work", I uninstalled Donkey Guard and Cydia Substrate (they were installed a couple of days before I got the pro version of Greenify, even though there was no problem with them before I got the paid version of Greenify), but still got the error. Ruling out program issues, this time I actually shut down my phone (no reboot or soft reboot) and on opening Greenify, no error. Since I was using the reboot toggle in "Notification Toggle", I tried rebooting through xposed (not soft reboot) and this time, no error. Tried again with Notification toggle and got the error.
So, at least for me, I think I may have solved the issue.....for now.
BTW thanks TechnoSparks as you gave me something to work with.
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No problem mate. If it really works for a long time, it might be good to report here as I may take your method as a suggestion to other people facing the same problem as well. :good:
romdroid. said:
I am using a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 4.3 stock rooted and I am having some issues with greenify. Everytime I start the app to see if it working I get this message: "Auto-hibernation service is stopped" The problem is that I am not using a 3rd-party tool or any other mode as energy saving mode on my note 2 and I still get this message. What should I do to fix it?
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I seem to have this same problem, but I don't think it's easily repeatable, which makes it hard to narrow down a possible cause. I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 running Android 4.4.4 but it's not rooted, so the other posts here (which I think all involve root) don't seem to apply in my case. Is there a possible known cause and/or solution for this problem of auto-hibernation stopping on unrooted devices? Thanks for your help!
Can anyone confirm whether it was fixed in 2.4.4 beta 1 or beta 2?
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Can anyone confirm whether it was fixed in 2.4.4 beta 1 or beta 2?
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I had not got this message for quite a long time, but after updating to beta 2, the first time I rebooted and opened Greenify, I got this message. Afterwards, for the whole of today, I haven't got it.
Everything is working great for me.
Make sure you have SuperSu (latest)
Also after installing Greenify, set it as a device administrator.
Settings>security>device administrators>select Greenify.
Enable accessability as well (settings>accessibility>Greenify>Enable.
I have these enabled and have no issues.
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gorilla p said:
Everything is working great for me.
Make sure you have SuperSu (latest)
Also after installing Greenify, set it as a device administrator.
Settings>security>device administrators>select Greenify.
Enable accessability as well (settings>accessibility>Greenify>Enable.
I have these enabled and have no issues.
Sent from my Nexus 4
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You are right. After my last post, I found that Greenify was not enabled in Accessibility settings.
After every update, the Accessibility setting has to be re-enabled. Why?
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You are right. After my last post, I found that Greenify was not enabled in Accessibility settings.
After every update, the Accessibility setting has to be re-enabled. Why?
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for me i have to enable it in accessibility after every restart of the phone ....
Anyone found a solution to this? I am getting the same error.
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Can anyone confirm whether it was fixed in 2.4.4 beta 1 or beta 2?
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HI Oasis - just to reply that I am still getting Auto-hibernation stopped with Greenify v2.5.1
Basically after a while auto-hibernate just seems to stop. I have all my apps waiting to be hibernated even after a few hours of screen off. I do not get the 3rd party message saying auto-hibernation is stopped. I have Accessibilty on and have given Greenify Device Administration rights.
I will get the 3rd party message if I force close Greenify or if I reboot. In those cases Accessibility will have turned itself off. After turning Accessibility back on, the message disappears but I still have apps waiting to be hibernated after seveal hours of screen-off.
After every reboot, I find that Greenify does not seem to ask SuperSU for root access. Even though I've granted Greenify automatic access,the log files for SuperSU never show Greenify as either being granted or denied rights. I know that Greenify is meant to ask for those rights when the screen is off. I guess it might be another app is locking the device when the screen is off before Greenify can ask for access. I've tried removing Device Admin privileges for other apps and remove PIN unlocks but this does not seem to help.
The only way I have managed to get Greenify running again is to uninstall and reinstall, which seems to be the only way when the screen is on that I can get it to request root access via SuperSU. This does mean I cannot use the Xposed installer options, because I would first need to reinstall Greenify, grant it root access via SuperSU, then enable the XPosed module, then reboot. But after reboot SuperSU access seems to be withdrawn and I can't get it to request root unless I uninstall and reinstall.
I'm sure I'm missing something but I'm not sure what. I am not sure if there is a way of forcing Greenify to request SuperSU access even when the screen is on without having to reinstall.
I am rooted with SuperSU 2.4 and Xposed installer, HTC One on Viper 7.02 ROM, Greenify 2.5.1 with donation package.
EDIT: I've found that I can get Greenify to ask for Root Access through Xposed if I first degreenify Facebook, re-greenify Facebook, launch another app which wakes up Facebook (eg Agoda) and then request Greenify to cut-off the wake-up. Seems to be working.
EDIT2: Alas, still having problems. Usually nothing auto-hibernates after charging the phone. Yesterday it was working fine, today I unplugged, started some apps, closed the phone and went for breakfast. 1.5 hours later the apps were still waiting to hibernate. Am completely lost on what to do next.
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I seem to have this same problem, but I don't think it's easily repeatable, which makes it hard to narrow down a possible cause. I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 running Android 4.4.4 but it's not rooted, so the other posts here (which I think all involve root) don't seem to apply in my case. Is there a possible known cause and/or solution for this problem of auto-hibernation stopping on unrooted devices? Thanks for your help!
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I occasionally get this message, generally after an update to Greenify, but just tap on the message and continue on with my day. After exhaustive (I'm rather OCD) research, the general consensus is to forget about it as it is just Greenify's way of letting you know that the auto-hibernation has stopped and needs to be restarted. I have gone without tapping on that message and the service still starts up all by itself.
My advice is to open Greenify after an update (updates have slowed considerably anyway) and just tap on the message and it will be good to go until the next update.
Thanks for the response. I have been tapping on the message when I notice it, but it still seems to appear without updates to Greenify. I've tried checking a little more, though probably not as exhaustively as you did, and I suspect that there's some kind of conflict with Tasker. One of the main things I do with Tasker is alternate between "home" and "work" modes, part of which involves using a screen lock for "work" and turning it off for "home". It seems like when things are working fine at home, I go to work making it switch to work mode, and return home at the end of the day going back into home mode, Greenify complains. Since Greenify only works without a screen lock in non-root mode, I'm guessing this switching may be affecting thing, but I'm not completely sure. I guess I just have to live with it. One thing I've tried doing to mitigate the problem is add a Greenify hibernate action to my Tasker profile for turning mobile data off when the screen goes off. I'm not sure how well it's working, because at work I normally hibernate manually and at home I often don't worry about it, but even if it's not working, I think I get a placebo effect of thinking it's doing *something* so I'm less concerned about checking to see if Greenify has stopped auto-hibernating.
SuperSU doesn't seem to be working the way it always has on my other devices in the past. After successfully flashing TWRP 2.8.7.0 [6.0] EN (by Sminki *xda* repack) on my Honor 7 with multi-tool and then installing SuperSU via TWRP and gaining root access, I rebooted my phone and immediately Google Play wanted me to update the SuperSU app. I updated the SuperSU app and also installed SuperSU Pro that I had purchased previously on another device. I then installed terminal emulator so I could confirm that I had root access by running the su command. However after running the terminal emulator and attempting to use the su command nothing happened. I didn't get an error that I would expect if root wasn't present such as su not found, it just seems to sit there waiting. It then occurred to me that I hadn't received the usual popup from SuperSU asking me whether I wanted to grant root permission.
From what I have been able to work out I do have root access but for whatever reason SuperSU is not displaying its message asking me to grant or deny access. I have managed to establish that I do have root by going into the SuperSU settings and setting the default access as grant rather than prompt after which terminal emulator is able to use the su command.
Does anyone know how I can get the prompt to work? I would rather have SuperSU prompt me when an app requests root access for security reasons since giving any app that requests root unfettered access probably isn't the best idea.
If your problem has anything to do with SSU Pro then I dont say nothing cause dont use it.
Anyway going the same procedure as you I had, after GPlay update, the problem when trying to open SSU with message "SSU binary cant be found" or sth like this. However my SSU has been working (at least it did look alike) giving prompts.
The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
It looks like it is H7 speciality ;p. You need to flash B330 twice for 100% and you need to install SSU twice ;p
ps. Also "Draw over other apps" on but it was automatic - at least for me
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If your problem has anything to do with SSU Pro then I dont say nothing cause dont use it.
Anyway going the same procedure as you I had, after GPlay update, the problem when trying to open SSU with message "SSU binary cant be found" or sth like this. However my SSU has been working (at least it did look alike) giving prompts.
The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
It looks like it is H7 speciality ;p. You need to flash B330 twice for 100% and you need to install SSU twice ;p
ps. Also "Draw over other apps" on but it was automatic - at least for me
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Thanks. Seems to be working now. Also disabling doze altogether on marshmallow seems to have solved a lot of other issues I was having since the marshmallow update and subsequent custom recovery and root install.
Squall88uk said:
disabling doze altogether on marshmallow
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By "Doze" you mean those switches to kill apps after screen lock or not?
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By "Doze" you mean those switches to kill apps after screen lock or not?
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No I mean Marshmallows built in doze feature. I have the switches you're talking about set to let the app keep running for important apps like SuperSU anyway but they only affect EMUIs own power manager. Doze and EMUIs power manager seem to fight each other anyway and I don't like how doze stops my notifications coming through with some apps and interferes with other apps that I like to leave running all the time like AcDisplay.
I completely disabled doze altogether using "dumpsys deviceidle disable" in terminal emulator or using adb shell. The only problem is that it will be re-enabled after a reboot so I used the universal init.d app to run an init.d script on every boot to disable it again since the honor 7 kernel doesn't natively support init.d. I have all the apps that I had on lollipop (plus some more that I didn't have on lollipop, since I didn't have root when I used lollipop) set up exactly the way they were then and let EMUI handle the power management. I get about the same battery life that I had in lollipop which is fine for me since I charge it fully every night anyway.
I am just in process of developing opinion on that. For sure made one mistake prefering Google Clock over Huawei (and uninstalling the latter) but now even with adequate settings (for example it should have auto-start set by PM Plus add-on for Phone Manager) I am not so sure of my alarms ; ) I have been accustomed to Vanilla Android till now.
Ok. I had to do my lecture on MM Doze & App Standby functions. Also I am newbie on EMUI.
It looks like that many important things (background GPS runnings apps, notifications, alarms) can be double complicated on MM Huawei :/ (not to mention other EMUI problems e.g. with lock screen)
We have clean MM Android with its problems even for Nexus owners, then we have EMUI with its own background / notifications problems.
So 'Ignore optimisations' switch is by Google. You do not use it but maybe know which Google / Huawei apps should have optimizations off? (I have there Android System WebView - why? Google product should have it invisible, Fused Locations - the same, HiSuite ?, HwAps ?)
Anyway people report that it does not help for GPS tracking apps shutdown problems, but it is rather related to EMUI I think.
PS. 1. I do not think Huawei / Google power managers fight in any way. Huawei power manager stricly speaking these are drivers for hardware needed + basic user power handling setup.
What they did on higher level is this "keeps running after screen off" switch but I would not be so sure if this, set one or the other way (and Huawei soft in general), works properly with GCM messages and other wakeups. One should keep in mind that Huawei sells a lot without Google apps at all.
PS.1.b. Some apps need some changes to work properly with Doze. They are not allowed now to do what they like and when they like. And if they have to say sth they must use GCM message , if they have sth important to say they must use GCM high priority message. Android 5.1 API level 22 alarms do not fire now, there are 2 new methods from what I read. And Google could block spamming "high priority messages". So idea & direction is good I think. For not MM updated apps put them in Ignored.
PS2. In my opinion also you should not confuse B330 power handling issues with Doze.
It could be just Huawei optimizing things: taking away fast charging switch because it is on default now, making changes to power handling etc. or not making changes needed so now it could be the problem with Android. People claiming worse battery life for B330 claim mostly best on B320.
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For sure made one mistake prefering Google Clock over Huawei (and uninstalling the latter) but now even with adequate settings (for example it should have auto-start set by PM Plus add-on for Phone Manager) I am not so sure of my alarms ; ) I have been accustomed to Vanilla Android till now.
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What's wrong with the Google clock? And what problems did you have after uninstalling the Huawei clock? I use the Google clock as my main clock app and have had no issues with it on either lollipop or marshmallow even after uninstalling the Huawei clock.
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Ok. I had to do my lecture on MM Doze & App Standby functions. Also I am newbie on EMUI.
It looks like that many important things (background GPS runnings apps, notifications, alarms) can be double complicated on MM Huawei :/ (not to mention other EMUI problems e.g. with lock screen)
We have clean MM Android with its problems even for Nexus owners, then we have EMUI with its own background / notifications problems.
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Agreed. While EMUI does have some of its own features that can be useful a lot of things are twice as complicated as they need to be. I have generally found that just allowing all apps that have notifications you want to receive e.g. twitter set to be allowed to autostart and run in the background as much as they like seems to reduce issues with notifications (still not worked out if it completely stopped any issues), and even then if I want notifications to display correctly on the lockscreen, not only do I need to allow them for each particular app on the lockscreen through the notification manager I still have to use a lockscreen replacement which in my case is AcDisplay. To be honest I have every app set to run on autostart and in the background and I still haven't found that it has much impact on battery life and this seems to solves a lot of these kinds of issues for me. My previous phone (Samsung Galaxy A3) used touchwiz and never had any of these options so I've always assumed that touchwiz/android allowed apps to run when they wanted and access what they wanted within the scope of their permissions and everything always worked fine, admittedly battery life was an issue on that phone but it had a much smaller battery capacity than the Honor 7 and it still lasted me most of a day.
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So 'Ignore optimisations' switch is by Google. You do not use it but maybe know which Google / Huawei apps should have optimizations off? (I have there Android System WebView - why? Google product should have it invisible, Fused Locations - the same, HiSuite ?, HwAps ?)
Anyway people report that it does not help for GPS tracking apps shutdown problems, but it is rather related to EMUI I think.
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I tried messing with the Ignore optimisations switch when I first upgraded to Marshmallow and it didn't seem to make any difference apps were still being afflicted with issues. I asked honor uk exactly what it did and whether it was for doze or not and they didn't know. I'm sure if I spoke Chinese and asked the Chinese customer service they would be able to tell me straight away but I never managed to find out. Even with doze disabled completely on my device I still have it set to ignore optimisations for all apps in case its something to do with EMUI.
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PS. 1. I do not think Huawei / Google power managers fight in any way. Huawei power manager stricly speaking these are drivers for hardware needed + basic user power handling setup.
What they did on higher level is this "keeps running after screen off" switch but I would not be so sure if this, set one or the other way (and Huawei soft in general), works properly with GCM messages and other wakeups. One should keep in mind that Huawei sells a lot without Google apps at all.
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What I meant by fight is that the 2 have their own settings rather than these being integrated with each other. So for example when specify that I want an app to be able to run in the background while the screen is off in an ideal world this would also tell Google's doze that I do not want it to doze that app. otherwise I have to effectively set the same thing twice even though it may be called different things.
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PS.1.b. Some apps need some changes to work properly with Doze. They are not allowed now to do what they like and when they like. And if they have to say sth they must use GCM message , if they have sth important to say they must use GCM high priority message. Android 5.1 API level 22 alarms do not fire now, there are 2 new methods from what I read. And Google could block spamming "high priority messages". So idea & direction is good I think. For not MM updated apps put them in Ignored.
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I like the idea of doze in general and I'm generally a fan of most things that google do with android. If i was running a nexus or an AOSP rom I would definitely leave doze activated and only disable its optimization for apps that either coded with doze in mind or apps which I personally consider to be high priority regardless of whether google agrees such as twitter. I lie to get twitter notification that I have enabled as soon as the tweet they link to is tweeted not at the intervals that doze allows apps to update at. But that's a personal thing rather than an issue with the idea. So for YouTube notifications for example I would be quite happy for doze to run the show.
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PS2. In my opinion also you should not confuse B330 power handling issues with Doze.
It could be just Huawei optimizing things: taking away fast charging switch because it is on default now, making changes to power handling etc. or not making changes needed so now it could be the problem with Android. People claiming worse battery life for B330 claim mostly best on B320.
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My intention has never been to confuse EMUI's power handling with Doze. I have just been trying to simplify the issue for me. as I have already said I generally allow any apps to do what they want both in EMUI's settings and by disabling doze as its simpler that way for me. Battery has never been an issue for me with either lollipop (B180) or marshmallow (B330) for me personally but i'm sure for some people it can be.
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What's wrong with the Google clock? And what problems did you have after uninstalling the Huawei clock? I use the Google clock as my main clock app and have had no issues with it on either lollipop or marshmallow even after uninstalling the Huawei clock.
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nothing wrong, in fact I've chosen it deliberately.
Basically prefer Google apps cause they can be updated and whats more new features are added from time to time, with let's say B330 stock you are left with B330 stock unless and if Huawei pushes sth new.
Just for some producers ROM's there are sometimes apps good enough and also interconnected on some levels with launcher / lock screen / power management that it is better to leave them & even make use of them.
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Even with doze disabled completely on my device I still have it set to ignore optimisations for all apps in case its something to do with EMUI.
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Rather strange for me what you're doing.
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What I meant by fight is that the 2 have their own settings rather than these being integrated with each other. So for example when specify that I want an app to be able to run in the background while the screen is off in an ideal world this would also tell Google's doze that I do not want it to doze that app. otherwise I have to effectively set the same thing twice even though it may be called different things.
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It cant be integrated, it is Google licensed system. Doze & App standby these are powerfull, long-term features.
This EMUI function is just easy switch to kill sth after screen off. Not sure of it
Also not sure of this auto-start PM Plus utility It is not only auto-start on system start but also start on events. Powerfull mess with many apps without granular controls.
However I use both ;p
edit. ok, it looks you're right about Doze. I.e. Huawei Doze problem. Here for Mate 8:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64827731&postcount=15
Not solved as I see (but no time to read everything)
So Paul @paulobrien solution is with his ROM, your solution is to shut down Doze, I would prefer Doze properly working on (rooted) stock solution
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The solution was SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again. If you check some threads here you will find some kinds of initial problems with SSU are quite common.
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I have the same problem on my tablet Huawei MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro.
Please explain exactly what supposed to mean is "SSU cleanup, copying and installing SSU once again".
If one makes SSU cleanup then root access will flee for good and installing SSU again encounter the stark barrier, right?
If of course by "cleanup" you mean SuperSU's SETTINGS -> CLEANUP -> Reinstall (?)
@ioy
Do you have EMUI 4.0 on your tablet?
Some tips & tricks work between some Huawei models but for sure not each on everyone...
Anyway I made (in SSU) cleanup for full unroot (if I remember correctly :/) and by "copying & installing" I mean H7 procedure to copy and install via TWRP.
So full unroot and full root once again and in my case it solved my problem.
@adxuser, and what is EMUI 4.0 and how to check if it is on the tablet?
Where to learn about these tip & tricks?
I do not have TWRP because I wanted to have warranty still intact so not unlocked bootloader, and that's why I have unrooted with KingRooot and afterwards switched to SuperSU with SuperSume.
Please, respond...
How to use cleanup options in SuperSu, there're several ones intended for switching to another su application - all of them work the way they need TWRP or maybe it is possible to switchin the system (booted)?
@ioy
what is EMUI 4.0 and how to check if it is on the tablet?
Where to learn about these tip & tricks?
I do not have TWRP because I wanted to have warranty still intact so not unlocked bootloader, and that's why I have unrooted with KingRooot and afterwards switched to SuperSU with SuperSume.
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Emotion^^ User Interfece - Huawei visual & control overlay over Android.
For your http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mediapad_t1_8_0-6705.php 4.3 not upgradeble Android it is probably 2.0? (settings > about).
Tips & tricks those are some common to EMUI solutions - working on many Huawei models. They are nowhere together to be found, you have to search in all Huawei models if you are looking for sth. special. Anyway as you probably understand from JellyBean EMUI no.x to MM EMUI no.4.0 (or 4.1) that is a long way (some common things could even work however).
And also I am not a root specialist but if you have a locked bootloader SSU will never work so make a full cleanup and do not try again
Maybe this KingRoot will work but search for info on that.
ps. in most "normal" countries unlocked bootloader hasn't got anything to warranty.
Yes, KingRoot worked normally, prompt popup windows worked neatly.
However, Huawei itself warns if you unlock the bootloader then they will not help you anymore in case of trouble. And as you maybe know already, Huawei official assistance is needed in doing unlocking bootloader, it is done through their site and first this terrible warning is displayed... (presumably they register phone's IMEI, serial number and these data is then spread to warranty service outposts worldwide)
Yes, they can track and they probably track a lot more easily
Regarding warranty it may and it vary from continent/country to continent/country but local (e.g. european) regulations take effect on that matter.
So Huawei China can even track what I did with the phone yesterday at 6pm but when I am able to relock the phone (even with status relocked) and it could be seen that it is malfunctioning because of hardware failure then I am talking to Huawei in Europe and I am totally not interested what Huawei China has to say.
So sometimes there are some commom myths and you should check (in a proper way ) what are the possibilities.
And you have cited wrong model, this one is Huawei MediaPad T1 PRO LTE:
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/mediapadt18.0lte/Huawei-MediaPad-T1-8.0-LTE.html
It has 4.4.4 Android version, and Emotion UI version 2.3, so what are these tips & tricks for this?
Please try to provide any clue, about those tips& tricks in respect of popup windows, as as I can see usual popups for any application are not present in this Huawei model... Apparently something must block them in a regular manner...
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And you have cited wrong model, this one is Huawei MediaPad T1 PRO LTE:
http://www.gsmchoice.com/en/catalogue/huawei/mediapadt18.0lte/Huawei-MediaPad-T1-8.0-LTE.html
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Quite possibly. Just a quick look.
As you probably understand we are on H7 subforum and I am not interested in other devices with its variants.
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It has 4.4.4 Android version, and Emotion UI version 2.3, so what are these tips & tricks for this?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=66946525&postcount=12
Allright, how is it possible to switch off / disable this EMUI? What to freeze without bricking the phone? Presumably indeed this blocks popup windows itself and at all it seems providing no gain, plain Android is better and there are many apps on PlayStore with genius functions and full user's control, so please which system or internal memory apks are responsible for this EMUI and one normally can freeze them thus freeing the 'core' Android system from this dubious attraction?
On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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Of course it does. The size/activity in this forum plus frequent mentions in respected publications over many years should offer some clues to its integrity. Whether it is working on your device is a different matter.
Greenify does best on rooted devices as unharnessed ROMs can both undo actions and/or misrepresent status. It's quite possible an app placed in hibernation was later woken via internal trigger that Greenify can not suppress on an unrooted device. In the case of Opera (my preferred browser) there is regular syncing of tabs and downloading of *cough* 'news' if you have those features enabled.
I also question info coming out of the "Android Assistant" app. On my device it claimed all apps had zero CPU...including itself. Also did not display system partitions correctly nor properly detect the sensor suite. Granted I only spent a few minutes poking around. Maybe some switches needed to be thrown.
Finally, you probably don't need Greenify on Oreo as Doze does a find job with power management.
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Don't I really need Greenify on oreo? Is Doze on Oreo really that good? Can you confirm please? I've been always using Greenify but if I don't need it on Oreo, I'll remove it
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Well don't take my word for it. Simply remove all apps from Greenify's hibernation list (hopefully there are not many there), observe device behavior over the next few days then make your own decision.
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Well, thanks for information. Just made a quick research and everyone says Greenify is trash on Oreo. So I just uninstalled it. Thanks for heads up. Glad I've seen your comment
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Trash? Err-no. I have it installed on every one of my devices for valid reasons. Needed for generic power management on Doze capable ROMs? Probably not (and as such serving no purpose). Enjoy your device.
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ok, but, when Greenify hibernates an app, you don't get notificaton froms this app, but when Android itself hibernates the app, you still get notifications, how does these two compare?
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It varies by app, developer approach and user settings. Many apps will experience delayed notifications with Doze while other punch right through. Greenify can be configured to permit notifications but only if the app utilizes GCM (Firebase). Aggressive doze, light hibernation, Xposed framework availability and several other variables contribute to notification behavior. If your head is spinning it should! End users should not need to know the contents of the underwear drawer. Best practice is to simply let Android do its thing without 3rd party tools unless one understands their behavior and application. At one time such tools were needed to achieve acceptable app/device performance and battery life. Not so today. Is such a simplistic solution 'optimal' form an enthusiasts point-of-view? Probably not. It is acceptable/reasonable from an end-user perspective? In most cases 'yes' yielding a good balance of performance and battery life with minimal interaction for those who simply want to enjoy their device vs. manage it. Good luck with whatever direction you choose.
Agree one hundred percent!
Greenify on Oreo is an appendage that is best left out in my opinion, since for most, Oreo itself manages the drain admirably. Though I have it installed, it is more by way of habit than necessity. I have experienced Oreo without Greenify and have no complaints.
Greenify is STILL works.
But its benefit on recent Android versions is not as prominent as on earlier versions.
Coz we already have Doze starting from Marshmallow.
It works for me. I have a samsung tab a 9.7 sm-t550 with an aicp 8.1 rom (lineageos based). Therefore it doesn't have the built-in samsung app device maintenance. I've also discovered a little trick to using greenify that I want to share. I use greenify with another app called shutapp. Shutapp is an app that helps you force stop apps running in the background. Except I don't do that. I use it solely for the purpose of having an accurate number of apps running in the background. Then I open the app to see which ones are running. Next I open greenify and hibernate them. I use this method, because I found that when you force stop the apps they will open back up again. Also, I use the widget from shutapp and not the floating bubble which requires extra permissions granted. The widget does the same thing without the extra permissions. This method I discovered has improved my ram and battery life drastically. I can tell because I use status bar mini pro to monitor my ram speed constantly. And finally I do have Xposed with the donation package of greenify, didn't want to leave that out. Not sure if it makes a difference or not, but wanted to be accurate. That's it, hope that works for somebody else, take care.
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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Greenify works just fine on recent Android builds. It is a tool that can be very beneficial when properly used to produce a specific outcome. That said, it is rarely needed on Android 6+ as doze handles most of the heavy lifting. Enjoy using your device vs trying to fix problems you haven't identified.
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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On 6, you may require the help of Greenify but only after you identify the rogue app/s. Unless you sleep for 24 hours a day, your idle drain is high (14% during sleep).
Visit the BBS thread, learn how to create an idle dump, install latest BBS beta from the PlayStore, take an idle dump and post it in the BBS thread and ask for help.
Merazomo said:
The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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Everything is as you said. Greenify's default settings are more than satisfying, specially since all I wanted to do was to find the culprit that was killing my battery.
After using BetterBatteryStats & Greenify, it turns out "ESPN" and "Samsung Peel Remote Control" are both using more battery life overnight as I sleep, than the "System" itself.
ESPN behaves as it should when I hibernate it; however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
Merazomo said:
... however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
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Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
Davey126 said:
Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
Oswald Boelcke said:
First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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Yeah, after doing much research online, it came down to NetGuard - NoRoot Firewall - Droidwall(now Avast) - Afwall+.
I chose Afwall+ because it seemed easier to use. The other apps seem more customizable if you know what you're doing, but for what I needed Afwall+ is more of a "click and save" type of app.
Davey126 said:
A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
Merazomo said:
Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
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Push notifications work with some Greenifed apps (must be GCM capable) but may be delayed by minutes/hours depending on Greenify settings, app design, GCM capabilities, availability of Xposed framework, timing of doze maintenance windows and a bunch of other variables. Best way to assess with your app portfolio is to try.