So i have my tmobile edge for a couple of days now and im not really impressed with the battery life so i installed greenify however its not showing me all the bloatware that came preinstalled, anyone else having these issues?
peste19 said:
So i have my tmobile edge for a couple of days now and im not really impressed with the battery life so i installed greenify however its not showing me all the bloatware that came preinstalled, anyone else having these issues?
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Do you have experimental mode enabled? I think you need the donation pack as well as root to greenify system apps.
didnt know about that, i tried going to experimental features and you are right donation package is needed however it says xposed is needed also, is xposed compatible with s6 edge? afraid of installing stuff to brick my device. I was trying to avoid rooting it for now since i see alot of people are bricking their devices, waiting for a fix.
Has anyone noticed some improvements using greenify with s6?
peste19 said:
didnt know about that, i tried going to experimental features and you are right donation package is needed however it says xposed is needed also, is xposed compatible with s6 edge? afraid of installing stuff to brick my device. I was trying to avoid rooting it for now since i see alot of people are bricking their devices, waiting for a fix.
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You don't need Xposed to greenify system apps. There are some other features in the experimental section that it enables, but you don't need them. (And you are right that xposed is not compatible with the edge).
However, if you are not rooted the System freezing doesn't work very well in my experience. It freezes them but they often start running again on their own. Thus you wind up with it trying to close them all down each time you turn off the phone. You might be better off disabling what apps you can manually instead.
Overall I didn't find Greenify to be great when not rooted - sometimes it gets stuck pressing the keys to force close the apps. The best way I found was to use tasker to trigger the hibernation when the phone has been idle for ~10minutes, but it was still a bit iffy.
It will probably be good enough to get you by for now if you think you will root later, but I am not sure I would bother if you probably won't ever root.
isangelous said:
You don't need Xposed to greenify system apps. There are some other features in the experimental section that it enables, but you don't need them. (And you are right that xposed is not compatible with the edge).
However, if you are not rooted the System freezing doesn't work very well in my experience. It freezes them but they often start running again on their own. Thus you wind up with it trying to close them all down each time you turn off the phone. You might be better off disabling what apps you can manually instead.
Overall I didn't find Greenify to be great when not rooted - sometimes it gets stuck pressing the keys to force close the apps. The best way I found was to use tasker to trigger the hibernation when the phone has been idle for ~10minutes, but it was still a bit iffy.
It will probably be good enough to get you by for now if you think you will root later, but I am not sure I would bother if you probably won't ever root.
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how did you use tasker to enable the hibernation? i am a bit new at this
peste19 said:
how did you use tasker to enable the hibernation? i am a bit new at this
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I just had a look but unfortunately I don't have the profile anymore to export it for you.
Doing it from scratch would be a bit daunting if you have never used Tasker before.
You basically need to:
1. Set a variable for the display state (ie, on, off and unlocked). %DisplayState
2. Have a task for the screen unlock which sets a variable %NeedToGreenify or similar.
3. Have a task for the when screen off event triggers and %NeedToGreenify is set. This task waits 10 minutes. Then check if the screen is still off - this is what %DisplayState is for (Stop if it is not). Clear %NeedToGreenify. Trigger Hibernate (Greenify is a 3rd Party Plugin). Wait 30 seconds. Turn the screen off "SecureSettings - LockDevice".
I think I may have also used SecureSettings to keep the screen on while the process is running. You will also need to set the task options to "abort existing task" if it is already running.
I think this is how it worked, but it was a while ago :/
On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
mermaidkiller said:
On my Mate 9 (running Oreo 8.0, no root) I installed Greenify, but Greenify displays that e.g. Opera is greenified, but in an Android task manager (Android Assistant app) it shows it is still eating CPU. The same applies to e.g. Brave browser which has 'no background' according to Greenify.
Does Greenift really hibernate apps ?
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Of course it does. The size/activity in this forum plus frequent mentions in respected publications over many years should offer some clues to its integrity. Whether it is working on your device is a different matter.
Greenify does best on rooted devices as unharnessed ROMs can both undo actions and/or misrepresent status. It's quite possible an app placed in hibernation was later woken via internal trigger that Greenify can not suppress on an unrooted device. In the case of Opera (my preferred browser) there is regular syncing of tabs and downloading of *cough* 'news' if you have those features enabled.
I also question info coming out of the "Android Assistant" app. On my device it claimed all apps had zero CPU...including itself. Also did not display system partitions correctly nor properly detect the sensor suite. Granted I only spent a few minutes poking around. Maybe some switches needed to be thrown.
Finally, you probably don't need Greenify on Oreo as Doze does a find job with power management.
planetera said:
Don't I really need Greenify on oreo? Is Doze on Oreo really that good? Can you confirm please? I've been always using Greenify but if I don't need it on Oreo, I'll remove it
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Well don't take my word for it. Simply remove all apps from Greenify's hibernation list (hopefully there are not many there), observe device behavior over the next few days then make your own decision.
planetera said:
Well, thanks for information. Just made a quick research and everyone says Greenify is trash on Oreo. So I just uninstalled it. Thanks for heads up. Glad I've seen your comment
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Trash? Err-no. I have it installed on every one of my devices for valid reasons. Needed for generic power management on Doze capable ROMs? Probably not (and as such serving no purpose). Enjoy your device.
planetera said:
ok, but, when Greenify hibernates an app, you don't get notificaton froms this app, but when Android itself hibernates the app, you still get notifications, how does these two compare?
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It varies by app, developer approach and user settings. Many apps will experience delayed notifications with Doze while other punch right through. Greenify can be configured to permit notifications but only if the app utilizes GCM (Firebase). Aggressive doze, light hibernation, Xposed framework availability and several other variables contribute to notification behavior. If your head is spinning it should! End users should not need to know the contents of the underwear drawer. Best practice is to simply let Android do its thing without 3rd party tools unless one understands their behavior and application. At one time such tools were needed to achieve acceptable app/device performance and battery life. Not so today. Is such a simplistic solution 'optimal' form an enthusiasts point-of-view? Probably not. It is acceptable/reasonable from an end-user perspective? In most cases 'yes' yielding a good balance of performance and battery life with minimal interaction for those who simply want to enjoy their device vs. manage it. Good luck with whatever direction you choose.
Agree one hundred percent!
Greenify on Oreo is an appendage that is best left out in my opinion, since for most, Oreo itself manages the drain admirably. Though I have it installed, it is more by way of habit than necessity. I have experienced Oreo without Greenify and have no complaints.
Greenify is STILL works.
But its benefit on recent Android versions is not as prominent as on earlier versions.
Coz we already have Doze starting from Marshmallow.
It works for me. I have a samsung tab a 9.7 sm-t550 with an aicp 8.1 rom (lineageos based). Therefore it doesn't have the built-in samsung app device maintenance. I've also discovered a little trick to using greenify that I want to share. I use greenify with another app called shutapp. Shutapp is an app that helps you force stop apps running in the background. Except I don't do that. I use it solely for the purpose of having an accurate number of apps running in the background. Then I open the app to see which ones are running. Next I open greenify and hibernate them. I use this method, because I found that when you force stop the apps they will open back up again. Also, I use the widget from shutapp and not the floating bubble which requires extra permissions granted. The widget does the same thing without the extra permissions. This method I discovered has improved my ram and battery life drastically. I can tell because I use status bar mini pro to monitor my ram speed constantly. And finally I do have Xposed with the donation package of greenify, didn't want to leave that out. Not sure if it makes a difference or not, but wanted to be accurate. That's it, hope that works for somebody else, take care.
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
ovizii said:
I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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I hear that greenify isn't really needed on Oreo but how about the xposed version of greenify? That ads a couple of more features, does any of those change the verdict to "must have on Oreo" for greenify?
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The verdict doesn't change. Use of Greenify on Oreo may become "must" only if you have a rogue app which can't be controlled otherwise. Even then, it might be better to seek alternative apps instead of trying to control it with Greenify.
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Greenify works just fine on recent Android builds. It is a tool that can be very beneficial when properly used to produce a specific outcome. That said, it is rarely needed on Android 6+ as doze handles most of the heavy lifting. Enjoy using your device vs trying to fix problems you haven't identified.
I made sure I searched most of the forums (and Google) in order to not make unnecessarily new threads. All the suggestions always point to the same "solution" which doesn't exactly cover the issue.
MIUI is well known for their ads. I read somewhere that Xiaomi is able to sell phones for cheap by forcing Ads all throughout MIUI.
The first thing I do on ANY MIUI phone is make sure I disable all the ads and turn off every setting possible no matter how deep it is buried. It's become so common to me, that I know each extremely buried setting by pure muscle memory.
Here's what I've done.
1: Authorization & Revocation = All DISABLED
2: Manage System App Settings = ALL "receive recommendations" DISABLED
3: Browser app has a hidden Authorization which is not shown in the regular "Authorization & Revocation" menu. = ALSO DISABLED.
4: Device ID and all other hidden ad related options belonging to MIUI and Google = ALL DISABLED.
5: MIUI Account = DISABLED.
6: Any miscellaneous ad related settings = ALL DISABLED.
Here's the problem. (and possible solution/s)
Continues Ads at least once every two days from MUSIC APP and GET APPS. I don't use either of those apps as I have better alternatives.
Solutions that work (but are not actual solutions.)
1: Disable notifications from Music and Get Apps. (Apps still sending ads but they're hidden.)
2: Set region to USA or UK (Get Apps is automatically disabled, so no ads from that. But ads from MUSIC APP still appear.) But this isn't a solution because I lose some MIUI features which are helpful. (Smart Messaging etc.)
I've also disabled data access to both GET APPS as well as MUSIC. The ads still show up. Which means MIUI is using another app or service to push these Ads.
I'm running fully stock MIUI 11.6 Android 10.
Please advise.
If you're rooted with magisk, use adaway. If you arent rooted, use adblock (https://www.xda-developers.com/block-ads-on-android/), or debloat your device using a pc and adb, since using system app uninstaller to remove "unremovable" bloatware will send your device into bootloop after rebooting. So here are the steps -
1. Enable USB debugging in Developer options.
2. Install App Inspector. It will give you a list of apps installed on your device. Navigate to the ones you want to remove (Music and GetApps). Also, remove an app called Quickapps. It has been reported to be spyware, since it has a lot of permissions already enabled and basically is of insignificant value. When you click on an app in App Inspector, it will show some detail like "com.xiaomi.player".
3. Open command prompt (in platform tools folder) on your pc and type adb devices, your device should show up. If it doesn't, you don't have drivers on your pc.
4. Run the following commands-
"adb shell"
"pm uninstall -k --user 0 (the app url from app inspector)" without quotes.
Example for music player "pm uninstall - k --user 0 com.xiaomi.player"
Enter.
It will show success. And your app will be gone for good.
I personally prefer MIUI EU roms. Went from MIUI global to EvolutionX to Havoc and ended up in MIUI EU. No ads, no bloatware, plus a few extra features.
Thank you for taking the time to write a detailed answer. I really mean it, it must have taken quite a lot of time to compose it.
I use this phone primarily for work and banking. So rooting it is out of the question. I understand there are ways around that limitation, but given the possibilities of things getting buggy, I simply just can't take that risk. Even an hour of downtime would be an absolute disaster. I've read a lot about the positives of MIUI European ROM. I only want to know if it is up to date as much as the regular global (India) ROM. If I do commit to flashing, it will have to be a one time thing because I really wouldn't have the time to jump back and forth due to bugs.
As far as uninstall/disable through ADB I'm afraid of getting into that territory too. MIUI is very well known to intentionally break devices that have modifications done to system partition.
For now, I'll try my luck with the Ad Block app you suggested. I have also tried Ad Away (premium trial) with the highest setting of Ad Blocking... It only managed to block ads in browser as well as banner ads in some applications and games.
The ads in Music and Get Apps aren't classified as ads as they are just recommendations from within the app like "Latest vollywood hits" or "Latest games for you" (through a separate service thread.)
If all else fails I'll have to try EU ROM and hope for the best.
Why not just flash a custom MIUI ROM like EU ? ?
Edit: Oh I see that you're not rooted. Sorry. ??
Use Adguard premium apk you wont see any ads in history again
Alrich said:
1: Disable notifications from Music and Get Apps. (Apps still sending ads but they're hidden.)
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What's the problem in disabling in notifications? I had disabled them a long time ago and never knew poco f1 is gettings ads.
You may try changing custom dns to adguard servers. (no idea if that'll work or not)
Alrich said:
Thank you for taking the time to write a detailed answer. I really mean it, it must have taken quite a lot of time to compose it.
I use this phone primarily for work and banking. So rooting it is out of the question. I understand there are ways around that limitation, but given the possibilities of things getting buggy, I simply just can't take that risk. Even an hour of downtime would be an absolute disaster. I've read a lot about the positives of MIUI European ROM. I only want to know if it is up to date as much as the regular global (India) ROM. If I do commit to flashing, it will have to be a one time thing because I really wouldn't have the time to jump back and forth due to bugs.
As far as uninstall/disable through ADB I'm afraid of getting into that territory too. MIUI is very well known to intentionally break devices that have modifications done to system partition.
For now, I'll try my luck with the Ad Block app you suggested. I have also tried Ad Away (premium trial) with the highest setting of Ad Blocking... It only managed to block ads in browser as well as banner ads in some applications and games.
The ads in Music and Get Apps aren't classified as ads as they are just recommendations from within the app like "Latest vollywood hits" or "Latest games for you" (through a separate service thread.)
If all else fails I'll have to try EU ROM and hope for the best.
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Uninstalling apps through ADB without root has no effect on system partition. It just temporarily uninstalls the apps for current user. They are still in your system partition. If you switch to another user or format your phone your apps will come back. Or you can use ADB commands to install them again. You can also remove Analytics, MSA and MAB which are responsible for Telemetry/ Ads. Only some of the apps cause problems when uninstalled like Security Center so don't remove it ever. If you are still afraid to use commands, you can use Xiaomi ADB and Fastboot Tools. It is a java based software with GUI. So you just need to select the apps and do one click uninstall. MIUI EU is also a good alternative if you are considering to enter the sea of custom roms. It has tons of features, ad free and built-in google apps integration.
Alrich said:
Thank you for taking the time to write a detailed answer. I really mean it, it must have taken quite a lot of time to compose it.
I use this phone primarily for work and banking. So rooting it is out of the question. I understand there are ways around that limitation, but given the possibilities of things getting buggy, I simply just can't take that risk. Even an hour of downtime would be an absolute disaster. I've read a lot about the positives of MIUI European ROM. I only want to know if it is up to date as much as the regular global (India) ROM. If I do commit to flashing, it will have to be a one time thing because I really wouldn't have the time to jump back and forth due to bugs.
As far as uninstall/disable through ADB I'm afraid of getting into that territory too. MIUI is very well known to intentionally break devices that have modifications done to system partition.
For now, I'll try my luck with the Ad Block app you suggested. I have also tried Ad Away (premium trial) with the highest setting of Ad Blocking... It only managed to block ads in browser as well as banner ads in some applications and games.
The ads in Music and Get Apps aren't classified as ads as they are just recommendations from within the app like "Latest vollywood hits" or "Latest games for you" (through a separate service thread.)
If all else fails I'll have to try EU ROM and hope for the best.
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Like one user said, using adb won't do any harm if you do it right. You can easily remove music and get apps applications without messing up your phone. Even rooting isn't that bad, people just give it a bad name. If you know what you're doing, there's no risk. Keep your phone encrypted, and don't give root access to any app since you don't want to use any root apps. MIUI EU can be used, flashed through custom recovery, but it will revert back to stock recovery if you don't flash magisk. Your phone will work fine, but you'll lose custom recovery. So if you run into a problem with that rom, it will be a longer procedure to resurrect your phone. But its a stable rom so that's highly unlikely. I haven't found any bugs in the latest version of MIUI EU till now.
Else, use an app called Blockada to block ads. Its available on XDA labs, is open source so everything is transparent and free.
(I would suggest you to take some time off and use the adb method. That's your best bet.)
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
I did all this on my first day with the phone (early April) so I really don't have any way to compare performance or battery life before and after.
But I haven't had a single performance issue with this phone in over a month of use, and battery has been absolutely beastly.
(I think you've seen a comprehensive post I made in another thread of yours that shows my software environment and how I replaced pretty much everything (launcher, navigation gesture, live wallpaper, etc.) with third-party software that I prefer).
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I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
Mejilan said:
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
Ryano89 said:
What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
Mejilan said:
For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this ?
Ryano89 said:
Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
Mejilan said:
LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
Mejilan said:
I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough, GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
Mejilan said:
I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Now I kind of want to know what they are as well.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say that they're intended for either LG developers, sales reps, or repair technicians, and that these disabled services facilitate the servicing of devices when needed.
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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I imagine the ADB commands will work. I don't plan on disabling Chrome, because I use it every day.
But when you zap a package using Fastboot, the app will still actually show up in your Apps listing under Settings, but it'll have a "not installed" next to it.
If you do a factory reset, they'll all revert and you'd need to use the Fastboot ADB commands to nuke them again.
So they're kind of half-gone.
It's not quite as comprehensive as using root to completely delete them from the system partition.
But it's the best we've got outside of root.
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
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I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Code:
<h>
<a class="java.util.ArrayList">
<string>com.android.LGSetupWizard</string>
<string>com.google.android.youtube</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.platform</string>
<string>com.android.dynsystem</string>
<string>com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox</string>
<string>com.lge.lgbroadcastradioservice</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcprovider</string>
<string>com.google.android.onetimeinitializer</string>
<string>com.lge.appbox.client</string>
<string>com.lge.quicktools</string>
<string>com.lge.mirrorlink</string>
<string>com.tmobile.m1</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteclient</string>
<string>com.lge.sui.widget</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcconnectivity</string>
<string>com.quicinc.voice.activation</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.telephonyservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsstest</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.mytmobile</string>
<string>com.lge.lifetracker</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare.provider</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteserver</string>
<string>com.google.ar.core</string>
<string>com.google.ar.lens</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace.engine</string>
<string>com.lge.pickme</string>
<string>com.ipsec.service</string>
<string>com.lge.diag.echolocate</string>
<string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
<string>com.google.android.marvin.talkback</string>
<string>com.lge.launcher2.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.work.oobconfig</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare</string>
<string>com.lge.icecontacts</string>
<string>com.android.egg</string>
<string>com.android.nfc</string>
<string>com.android.backupconfirm</string>
<string>com.lge.iftttmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.exchange</string>
<string>com.lge.wapservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.gm</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.tachyon</string>
<string>com.lge.nfwlocationattribution</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsslogsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.lgmapui</string>
<string>com.lge.lgworld</string>
<string>com.google.android.setupwizard</string>
<string>com.lge.gamelauncher</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qcrilmsgtunnel</string>
<string>com.facebook.services</string>
<string>com.android.printspooler</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.basic</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsspostest</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.wellbeing</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.adapt</string>
<string>com.lge.abba</string>
<string>com.lge.cmas</string>
<string>com.lge.eula</string>
<string>com.lge.gcuv</string>
<string>com.lge.laot</string>
<string>com.lge.lms2</string>
<string>com.lge.jansky.service</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.lge.entitlementcheckservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gestureanswering</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts</string>
<string>com.android.chrome</string>
<string>com.google.android.tag</string>
<string>com.lge.gnss.airtest</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard.settings</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel</string>
<string>com.lge.wifi.p2p</string>
<string>com.android.calllogbackup</string>
<string>com.google.android.partnersetup</string>
<string>com.lge.gallery.aodimagewidget</string>
<string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
<string>com.lge.gdec.client</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.remoteSimlockAuth</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcsettings</string>
<string>com.google.android.feedback</string>
<string>com.google.android.printservice.recommendation</string>
<string>com.android.managedprovisioning</string>
<string>com.lge.smartsharepush</string>
<string>com.lge.lgcontentsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.themeservice</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuadapter.qualcomm</string>
<string>com.ipsec.vpnclient</string>
<string>com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp.application</string>
<string>com.android.wallpaper.livepicker</string>
<string>com.facebook.system</string>
<string>com.ipsec.profile</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace</string>
<string>com.lge.hotspotprovision</string>
<string>com.lge.provider.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.lgfota.permission</string>
<string>com.lge.lgaccount</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather</string>
<string>com.google.android.projection.gearhead</string>
<string>com.lge.lgwallet</string>
<string>com.lge.eulaprovider</string>
<string>com.lge.bnr</string>
<string>com.lge.phonemanagement</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.services.secureui</string>
<string>com.lge.smartdoctor.webview</string>
<string>com.lge.smartenabler</string>
<string>com.lge.cic.eden.service</string>
<string>com.google.android.gms.location.history</string>
<string>com.facebook.appmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.leccp</string>
<string>com.lge.music</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp</string>
<string>com.android.traceur</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.trustzoneaccess</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuapp</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsusrv</string>
<string>com.lge.gametuner</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.animal.resource</string>
<string>com.lge.snappage</string>
<string>com.lge.livemessage</string>
<string>com.lge.penprime</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.inputmethod.latin</string>
<string>com.lge.sdencryption</string>
<string>com.lge.qmemoplus</string>
</a>
</h>
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
lendawg said:
Do you have a list of what you disabled?
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cqqx2 said:
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Awesome thanks man!
No problem, I will update this later on this week. Whats funny is that was my stable backup but not my very latest tweaking, when I went to export my very latest list, the app has a button to enable all disabled apps and I accidentally pressed it, so I lost those settings but am working on making sure the very best options are enabled and disabled. I will be testing and tweaking to update this base list this werk to find the cleanest, performance and battery life... (by trying out before and after of certain debatable services)
If you use this list and find a feature is disabled you use and you dont know which app it was let me know (ex google assistant) I will let you know which apps you need to reenable.
Off the top of my head, device health services and qualcomms devicestatisticservice (id suggest disabling this one) and lgs smartcare are some apps that are debatable on whether or not they are best to enable or disable..
I play a lot of fortnite (I know I know) but its literally the most battery draining thing you can do especially when combined with a bluetooth controller at full brightness, so battery performance is easy for me to monitor.. Also I was having an absolute misreable time with this device before I came here and saw that nonroot package disabler program was a thing.
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I'm trying to permanently view the controls for the app "Listen Audiobook Player" to my lock screen.
But it only remains there whilst the audio is playing or for a short period after the audio stops.
The app's controls are permanently displayed in the drop down notification window. Also the app isn't restricted by any battery management either.
Other apps like "VLC" don't "stick" either, they all time out. I'm not sure if it's an Android 12 - One UI4 feature or it's not configured correctly.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Android 12 is more a buggered Apple than Android
Try clearing the system cache.
Is it a clean load clean; no SmartSwitch transfer, etc?
If only some apps are doing it, it may be the apps themselves.
You could try installing either Digi Clock or One Handed Operation plus (both great to have apps) and then set a short cut to the app with them as a workaround.
blackhawk said:
Android 12 is more a buggered Apple than Android
Try clearing the system cache.
Is it a clean load clean; no SmartSwitch transfer, etc?
If only some apps are doing it, it may be the apps themselves.
You could try installing either Digi Clock or One Handed Operation plus (both great to have apps) and then set a short cut to the app with them as a workaround.
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Thank you for the suggestions, but they didn't work.
Cleaned cache in Recovery Mode. No transfers active.
I didn't install Digi Clock, but creating a shortcut in One Handed Operation +, I just got a prompt to unclock the phone before I could run the app.
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Thank you for the suggestions, but they didn't work.
Cleaned cache in Recovery Mode. No transfers active.
I didn't install Digi Clock, but creating a shortcut in One Handed Operation +, I just got a prompt to unclock the phone before I could run the app.
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Unclock the phone?
You're rooted? Did you remove, block or disable any of the numerous Samsung system apks?
They were added since Pie to preserve the UI appearance and functionality at least this is true with Android 10 with Samsung's.
In the Android 10 UI alone there are close to 100 new ones I believe, too numerous to count. I was amazed when I first compared it to my other N10+ running on Pie.
The N10+ Q variant appears to be fast and stable though. I left almost all of the new Samsung System apks alone to preserve functionality/usability. Oddly the newer N10+ looks and behaves almost identically to the Pie variant. As fast, maybe faster with near the same battery usage. Scoped storage appears to be dormant in the Q variant at least with older apps... I didn't expect that.
blackhawk said:
Unclock the phone?
You're rooted? Did you remove, block or disable any of the numerous Samsung system apks?
They were added since Pie to preserve the UI appearance and functionality at least this is true with Android 10 with Samsung's.
In the Android 10 UI alone there are close to 100 new ones I believe, too numerous to count. I was amazed when I first compared it to my other N10+ running on Pie.
The N10+ Q variant appears to be fast and stable though. I left almost all of the new Samsung System apks alone to preserve functionality/usability. Oddly the newer N10+ looks and behaves almost identically to the Pie variant. As fast, maybe faster with near the same battery usage. Scoped storage appears to be dormant in the Q variant at least with older apps... I didn't expect that.
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Yes, unlock the phone with fingerprint scanner. The shortcut won't run otherwise.
No, not rooted.
Yes, I've removed things like Samsung Free and other ones I don't use with ADB. I've used battery management to restrict (i.e. not unrestricted or optimised) most apps, inc. the Samsung ones. Which makes the OS think they're disabled.
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Yes, unlock the phone with fingerprint scanner. The shortcut won't run otherwise.
No, not rooted.
Yes, I've removed things like Samsung Free and other ones I don't use with ADB. I've used battery management to restrict (i.e. not unrestricted or optimised) most apps, inc. the Samsung ones. Which makes the OS think they're disabled.
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You may have inadvertently removed a needed parent app or app that had dependencies. The names can be misleading. Many just sit there and do nothing unless needed. Be careful with the Samsung system apps...
Try disabling all power management.
Using it will cause erratic behavior.
Deal with power hogs on a case by case basis.
To verify it's disabled; Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is enabled (power management can't be disable here).
In Device Care only fast charging should be toggled.
I use Package Disabler as it's easier to use, works on the fly, and can be used for troubleshooting. Able to clear system app data and leave no null marks. I have about 80 apps permanently blocked, 7 that I sometimes use.
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You may have inadvertently removed a needed parent app or app that had dependencies. The names can be misleading. Many just sit there and do nothing unless needed. Be careful with the Samsung system apps...
Try disabling all power management.
Using it will cause erratic behavior.
Deal with power hogs on a case by case basis.
To verify it's disabled; Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is enabled (power management can't be disable here).
In Device Care only fast charging should be toggled.
I use Package Disabler as it's easier to use, works on the fly, and can be used for troubleshooting. Able to clear system app data and leave no null marks. I have about 80 apps permanently blocked, 7 that I sometimes use.
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Thank you very much for the advice. I'll do some more investigating.
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Thank you very much for the advice. I'll do some more investigating.
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You are welcome.
Another thing you can try is rolling back updates to the factory loaded versions* especially on the Samsung system apps.
Samsung Experience comes to mind. Updates tend to break things. It could also be a custom Galaxy theme that's incompatible if you loaded one.
Play with it... you'll eventually find the cause. Samsung's can be handful but their UI is my favorite... fast, very stable and extremely customizable. Nothing like the old TouchWiz.
Samsung's should to be optimized* to get the most out of them.
Lol, the first things I kill are little bixby and firmware OTA updates. Bixby Vision and Vision Framework however are needed for reading UPC and barcodes with the cam... dependencies.
Also try a Google search for your issue and include the Samsung Members forum in that search. Solutions can sometimes be found there.
*I use ApkExport to make copies of all my apps and updates. It has saved me more then once.
Get a .5tb OTG flash stick to do "dirty" critical data backups and restores for your internal memory. Keep at least 2 additional hdd copies as well that are physically/electronically isolated from each other and the PC to avoid data loss.
**it's trial and error until you get the hang of it.
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You are welcome.
Another thing you can try is rolling back updates to the factory loaded versions* especially on the Samsung system apps.
Samsung Experience comes to mind. Updates tend to break things. It could also be a custom Galaxy theme that's incompatible if you loaded one.
Play with it... you'll eventually find the cause. Samsung's can be handful but their UI is my favorite... fast, very stable and extremely customizable. Nothing like the old TouchWiz.
Samsung's should to be optimized* to get the most out of them.
Lol, the first things I kill are little bixby and firmware OTA updates. Bixby Vision and Vision Framework however are needed for reading UPC and barcodes with the cam... dependencies.
Also try a Google search for your issue and include the Samsung Members forum in that search. Solutions can sometimes be found there.
*I use ApkExport to make copies of all my apps and updates. It has saved me more then once.
Get a .5tb OTG flash stick to do "dirty" critical data backups and restores for your internal memory. Keep at least 2 additional hdd copies as well that are physically/electronically isolated from each other and the PC to avoid data loss.
**it's trial and error until you get the hang of it.
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I really appreciate you taking the time to help.
Thank you