It seems like the new Android sensor hub didn't receive too much attention, even though it's one of the biggest features of the new Nexus line.
According to the presentation, the new Android sensor hub chip will act as a low-power chip that will make it possible for the phone to be in deep sleep, while still ''active'' for user input. That doesn't mean only voice commands, but movement as well.
That means that it'll act as some apps have been doing for a lot of time(like Gravity), although this time there will be no battery drain, instead of the 5%-10% daily, because while using those apps your phone can't get into deep sleep.
Personally as the 6p and 5X won't have DT2W(probably because it's a LG patent) this seems like the best feature to open your phone, as every time you'll pick it up or take it out of the pocket, it'll unlock automatically, and the screen won't shut off while you are holding the device as it'll know it's moving in your hand, even while holding it just to read news.
Seems like the best new feature so far.
I dont think DT2W is an LG thing.... my N9 has it and I think they were made by HTC? The 6P will have single tap to wake using the fingerprint sensor which I think will be amazingly handy
I believe in the demo, ambient display is activated by picking it up due to the 'Sensor Hub', and you can swipe to unlock from there. No power button pushing. This is assuming you don't have a screen lock or have smart lock setup.
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I dont think DT2W is an LG thing.... my N9 has it and I think they were made by HTC? The 6P will have single tap to wake using the fingerprint sensor which I think will be amazingly handy
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I thought dt2w is a snapdragon thing
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I thought it was just a kernel thing
DT2W is available almost exclusively on the LG G series.(and only a very few other handsets which according to some reports it's bc they paid LG money to use it..) In order for it to work while still letting the phone going into deep sleep you need to wire the screen and the digitizer differently so the screen will stay off and the touch input will stay on.
regarding the fingerprint unlock - The problem with the fingerprint unlock is that unlike the iPhone.. it's just on the back. which is really not the comfortable to unlock like if it was on the front. again, the only reason it makes sense for them to go that way is bc maybe apple patented it(well actually apple patent everything.. Samsung just lost a case on court to Apple for slide to unlock..)
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DT2W is available almost exclusively on the LG G series.(and only a very few other handsets which according to some reports it's bc they paid LG money to use it..) In order for it to work while still letting the phone going into deep sleep you need to wire the screen and the digitizer differently so the screen will stay off and the touch input will stay on.
regarding the fingerprint unlock - The problem with the fingerprint unlock is that unlike the iPhone.. it's just on the back. which is really not the comfortable to unlock like if it was on the front. again, the only reason it makes sense for them to go that way is bc maybe apple patented it(well actually apple patent everything.. Samsung just lost a case on court to Apple for slide to unlock..)
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Every Chinese phone nowadays has DT2W. HTC, Oneplus, ZTE and many other manufacturers have several handsets with the feature. Apple haven't patented having a fingerprint sensor on the front last I checked otherwise Samsung would be facing legal action by now.
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DT2W is available almost exclusively on the LG G series.(and only a very few other handsets which according to some reports it's bc they paid LG money to use it..) In order for it to work while still letting the phone going into deep sleep you need to wire the screen and the digitizer differently so the screen will stay off and the touch input will stay on.
regarding the fingerprint unlock - The problem with the fingerprint unlock is that unlike the iPhone.. it's just on the back. which is really not the comfortable to unlock like if it was on the front. again, the only reason it makes sense for them to go that way is bc maybe apple patented it(well actually apple patent everything.. Samsung just lost a case on court to Apple for slide to unlock..)
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So maybe Google paid LG to use it in the N9?
Also almost every reviewer has preferred the rear fingerprint sensor to the front one. Your hand naturally falls there making it incredibly easy to use
I read an article that claimed Nokia invented DT2W and LG decided to claim it as their own. The N6 didn't get released with DT2W and it didn't take too long for someone to enable it. I've become used to it over the past two years, and it'll take time getting used to the fingerprint scanner.
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It seems like the new Android sensor hub didn't receive too much attention, even though it's one of the biggest features of the new Nexus line.
According to the presentation, the new Android sensor hub chip will act as a low-power chip that will make it possible for the phone to be in deep sleep, while still ''active'' for user input. That doesn't mean only voice commands, but movement as well.
That means that it'll act as some apps have been doing for a lot of time(like Gravity), although this time there will be no battery drain, instead of the 5%-10% daily, because while using those apps your phone can't get into deep sleep.
Personally as the 6p and 5X won't have DT2W(probably because it's a LG patent) this seems like the best feature to open your phone, as every time you'll pick it up or take it out of the pocket, it'll unlock automatically, and the screen won't shut off while you are holding the device as it'll know it's moving in your hand, even while holding it just to read news.
Seems like the best new feature so far.
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This and Doze pushed me over the edge when deciding on upgrading from the N6. I'm perfectly happy on the N6, I don't find it to be too big (but the cupholder in my car does), love Chroma running on it, and haven't felt the need to tweak and fiddle with stuff nearly as much as any other device I've had. For me, that's the hallmark of a great device & ROM. These 2 features + bigger battery really sealed the deal though.
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DT2W is available almost exclusively on the LG G series.(and only a very few other handsets which according to some reports it's bc they paid LG money to use it..) In order for it to work while still letting the phone going into deep sleep you need to wire the screen and the digitizer differently so the screen will stay off and the touch input will stay on.
regarding the fingerprint unlock - The problem with the fingerprint unlock is that unlike the iPhone.. it's just on the back. which is really not the comfortable to unlock like if it was on the front. again, the only reason it makes sense for them to go that way is bc maybe apple patented it(well actually apple patent everything.. Samsung just lost a case on court to Apple for slide to unlock..)
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Bullsh!t.
Ambient Display
I'm pretty sure there is no Double tap to wake on the new nexus phones due to them having Ambient Display. As with wireless charging being axed in favor of usb c, and double twist for camera being axed in favor of double pressing the power button, I think google just saw double tap to wake as redundant considering ambient display.
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DT2W is available almost exclusively on the LG G series.(and only a very few other handsets which according to some reports it's bc they paid LG money to use it..) In order for it to work while still letting the phone going into deep sleep you need to wire the screen and the digitizer differently so the screen will stay off and the touch input will stay on.
regarding the fingerprint unlock - The problem with the fingerprint unlock is that unlike the iPhone.. it's just on the back. which is really not the comfortable to unlock like if it was on the front. again, the only reason it makes sense for them to go that way is bc maybe apple patented it(well actually apple patent everything.. Samsung just lost a case on court to Apple for slide to unlock..)
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I actually think it's brilliant on the back of the phone. My finger goes there. The muscle memory to put your finger there to unlock it if you own one of the Nexus phones will take a week or two at the longest. It'll be second nature without even thinking about it in no time.
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Bullsh!t.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-that-could-force-samsung-to-change-products
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-that-could-force-samsung-to-change-products
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I think he was calling bullsh*t the other things you mentioned, not the most unimportant thing from your post. Regarding your statement about fingerprint on the back being not a good solution, if you watch all the hands on videos, most of the people mentioned that the fingerprint sensor is on the right spot for your index finger.
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I think he was calling bullsh*t the other things you mentioned, not the most unimportant thing from your post. Regarding your statement about fingerprint on the back being not a good solution, if you watch all the hands on videos, most of the people mentioned that the fingerprint sensor is on the right spot for your index finger.
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while you are already holding the phone in your hand yes, but if its on the table and you need to pick it up and unlock it with your index finger instead of just putting your thumb on it then its annoying.
Edit: btw many people didn't believe the slide to unlock patent and many many other patents Apple got(even the shape of the phone..they sued the Samsung galaxy line up not long ago for being to familiar with the Iphone line) and basically the consumers are loosing from all of these legal issues; Apple consumers and especially Android's(for those of you who are keeping track of the amount of patents Apple and even Microsoft sued android for).
You'd think Samsung, LG or any other OEM (or even google) decides to put a feature differently because it's 'better' that way, but behind the scenes you have no idea about the fact they legally they had to change they way they really wanted to implement it, or else they'd get sued.
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while you are already holding the phone in your hand yes, but if its on the table and you need to pick it up and unlock it with your index finger instead of just putting your thumb on it then its annoying.
Edit: btw many people didn't believe the slide to unlock patent and many many other patents Apple got(even the shape of the phone..they sued the Samsung galaxy line up not long ago for being to familiar with the Iphone line) and basically the consumers are loosing from all of these legal issues, apple and especially android. You'd Samsung, LG or any other OEM (or even google) decides to put a feature differently because it's 'better' that way, but behind the scenes you have no idea about the fact they legally had to change they way they really wanted to implement it.
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I agree, turning on the phone when sitting on a desk, when docked in a car dock, and when using android pay all would be easier with a front fingerprint scanner. My hand rarely goes above mid way on the back of the phone unless I am making a call.
Your underlying argument is solely based on using the phone without picking it up. I rarely, if not never, do that. With Android Wear, push bullet, ambient display, etc, I'm aware of my notifications before I have to interact with the phone. When I do interact with it, it is mostly because I have to type on the screen, which I wouldn't do with it lying on a desk. Its a hand held device, and typing/swyping is more comfortable while holding it.
I see it as a complete non issue. Mountain, meet mole hill.
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the fact they legally they had to change they way they really wanted to implement it, or else they'd get sued.
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Dat Spelling though.
Does anyone have a good article about the android sensor hub? I would like to learn more about how it works and what all it could be used for.
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I'm pretty sure there is no Double tap to wake on the new nexus phones due to them having Ambient Display. As with wireless charging being axed in favor of usb c, and double twist for camera being axed in favor of double pressing the power button, I think google just saw double tap to wake as redundant considering ambient display.
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i thought i read that nudge to wake was a thing. with ambient display, you don't need to touch your phone. just wave your hand over top of it.
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Its not perfect but after all the criticisms i have to say i like it
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It's ok, I like mine too
What do you like about it though?
I'm getting another SIM to use in it and I think I'll like it more then, but the fact that the companion app is so poor means that the integration with bluetooth isn't an option really.
I'm quite happy with it too.
I have the 1/8 2100 version, and all seem to work well.
- It started up out of the box
- The cradles charge ( I got the extra one I ordered)
- the buttons don't fall off
- call quality is awesome
- screen sensitivity is good (sometimes a little too good, but hey)
- bluetooth, wifi and gps have a proper connection
- "back button" swipe left action works
And in general use:
- surprisingly easy to read on small screen
- even able to watch short video/tutorials on watch (very handy when needing both hands free)
- app installing/start up goes quick
- I use Minuum Keyboard now, and that is awesome, Frees up half the screen for reading conversations, perfect!
- with Minuum keyboard it's also easy to make small voice commands that turn to text, for me works even quicker than responding with the "normal phone" in the old days
by having the phone on the wrist it makes checking if you need to respond 10 times faster. Just a flick of the hand and a two finger swipe when you get a short vibrate or buzz from a message/email/update and you are ready. Where as the "normal phone" you have to get out of the pocket, check and put back.
The two biggest downside that I find, are not necessarily omate related but more smartwatch in general:
- by having the watch on your wrist, if you use it for typing, by default are using both arms. Where as a "normal phone" you can operate with one hand.
- I don't 100% like the reading angle: you have to hold your arm really parallel to the body to read without make strange neck moves. Having "landscape" mode is even worse.
I think about 35 degree angle of the arm would be a way better reading position. That maybe would be the biggest advantage of the round type smartwatches like the moto 360, the ability to adjust the screen orientation till it ergonomically fits you best.
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What do you like about it though?
I'm getting another SIM to use in it and I think I'll like it more then, but the fact that the companion app is so poor means that the integration with bluetooth isn't an option really.
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My experience is pretty much identical to timkey's. It does what its supposed to. Typing is obviously slower but its better than I thought. Screen is sharp. It's fast. And it's a phone on my wrist I think rooting it and putting on soft keys and a status bar are pretty essential though. I do find the touch screen goes a little haywire sometimes.
To help with the viewing angle, I wear it a little loose and then I can twist it slightly towards me.
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I like it because it functions just how I wanted it to. Its quite simply an android phone on your wrist, which is pretty damn awesome. Calls work pretty good, texting on this is awesome (so handy being able to just look at your wrist), and it's pretty much taken every app and game I've thrown at it so far. I also like being able to throw a song on and have handsfree music, so I can cut rebar or something at work and have music. And to top it off, I get pretty great battery life out of it. It's always lasted at least a full day, if not two. Even after two days the lowest I've had it is 30%
So, despite the company itself acting like a total noob for supporting this, it does function quite well (after some necessary patching of course). Having proper sources and support with proper firmware updates and having more tweaks android is known for available, would all just be icing on the cake.
So would those who like it buy a TS2, or has the arrogance and sheer mismanagement of Omate put you off, even though you enjoy the product?
I enjoy mine, though I can rarely use it as intended due to water issues. I have a T-Mobile sim in it. I would not only not ever buy anything associated with Omate ever again, but also not Umeox and not MTK. Never Again.
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It depends. I mean, the reality is I paid about £120 for a brand new android phone in watch form. If the TS2 was also a bargain, I'd probably get one. Hopefully they would learn some good lessons from this.
I am an engineer and did my degree in electronics, so I have some experience with product development. It was very clear to me that the timescales Omate were claiming were ridiculous and that made me question their competence. I'm still impressed they produced what they did as fast as they did. The testing problems people are experiencing are not acceptable but they are expected. Omate kinda painted themselves into an corner with their optimistic claims and high ambitions.
Now, all that said, I don't see what I would want from a TS2 that in don't get from this device. Its too small to do anything too intricate. It creates a WiFi hotspot and provides basic smartphone functionality well, which is all I need it for. Maybe if I got a 4G data plan, it might be good to have a watch that can make use of it but that's all I can think of.
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The device has potential. I could maybe live with the HW shortcomings like IP rating, non-responsive buttons, add SD-card kills back seal etc as well as HW limitations like a little too heavy and too thick. The delays and communication failure from Omate is a separate story. I believe llepen believes what he says, he is still communicating still.
What I do not accept is the crappy firmware, that is HW specific. Noproper open source either. That kills BTLE, battery etc, as well as limits the adaptations required to get Android usable on a small device. I am not talking about limiting functionality like Android Wear, but an adapted Android experience w button actionssweep. Omate/Umeox mostly relies on MediaTek, and MediaTek seem to make good HW, but are both breaking GPL and incompetent in SW development.
I love my TS. I tried to have few expectations as to not be let down if it sucked, but I was happy to find that it was just about everything I could hope for in a smartwatch. It is solidly built, not too big, the screen is very sharp and sensitive, the camera is Good Enough(tm) (though the camera app really should rotate 90 degress left, which it does in the BlueTooth tether ROM, iirc).
My one major complaint is that Omate's version Android is awful. I work around it with third-party software (e.g. Nova Launcher, All in One Gestures), and with some effort, after-market ROMs can be ported. I'm very disappointed that no sources are available, but we all knew that would be the case.
That the notification bar is always hidden bugs the heck out of me, but the BlueTooth tether ROM fixes that.
Screen-on battery life is okay; not great, not awful, but it charges very quickly, so that's usually not a big deal. Screen-off life is fantastic.
I wish I could change the DPI for Ingress. It would be so cool to be able to play on my wrist.
Working with Omate is indeed like rolling a boulder uphill, and while I'll probably never buy anything from them again until they prove themselves reliable, I do believe Le Pen is trying. And I'm as disappointed with Omate as I am with those who continue to try to poison the TS community, making productive, open collaboration difficult.
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I'm quite happy with it too.
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I agree with just about everything you say. Anymore I use my phone only for long text conversations and more-than-casual web browsing. Everything else is done on my TS. Flesky is remarkably easy to use once you get used to it (although whoever decided to put backspace next to return needs a smack in the face). I'm especially happy that it's so easy to read text on the small screen as I read lots of RSS feeds on and off all day long.
The reading angle bothered me at first, but my arm just had to get used to being held in an unfamiliar position.
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I could maybe live with the HW shortcomings like IP rating, non-responsive buttons, add SD-card kills back seal etc as well as HW limitations like a little too heavy and too thick.
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The IP rating and back seal issues don't matter much to me, but I can see how that would be a disappointment to other users. The button responsiveness, weight, and thickness are fine for me. It did seem a bit heavy for the first day or two, but I quickly got used to it.
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I wish I could change the DPI for Ingress. It would be so cool to be able to play on my wrist.
Working with Omate is indeed like rolling a boulder uphill, and while I'll probably never buy anything from them again until they prove themselves reliable, I do believe Le Pen is trying. And I'm as disappointed with Omate as I am with those who continue to try to poison the TS community, making productive, open collaboration difficult.
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Xposed Framework
Xposed Per App Settings
I consider setting default dpi to something higher than 120, to see better and change dpi where needed
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I consider setting default dpi to something higher than 120, to see better and change dpi where needed
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Yes, but it doesn't work, and others have confirmed. Is your experience different?
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So would those who like it buy a TS2, or has the arrogance and sheer mismanagement of Omate put you off, even though you enjoy the product?
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No.
While I like the watch itself, if I were to drop another $200-$300 on a new watch, it would be from a company that can support it's device a little more competently. I really doubt we'll ever see a firmware update.
Although as long as this watch doesn't **** the bed I should be using it for a good long time. It functions pretty much like I want it to, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anytime soon.
I like it as well. After changing launcher and installing a few apps I felt it was usable. I tried for a while to use it as phone replacement. It DOES work as that, but the upsides of having a watch (smaller / lighter than a phone, won't forget something strapped to your arm and so on) doesn't really outweigh the downsides (hard to type, sometimes hard to navigate menus, small screen causing readability and layout issues, battery is slightly worse than my phone, etc). The most annoying issue though is when the screen goes into over-sensitive mode and register button press all over the place. Someone said it gets a lot better with a screen protector on, I will try that.
However, it does work great in some areas. My main use is for exercise - RunKeeper (and similar apps) works great. I can take a run, track my progress, listen to music, and see notifications if someone is trying to reach me, without needing a much more cumbersome phone jumping around in my pocket.
It's also useful when I'm outdoors, say fishing or hiking. While it isn't waterproof, it does what I need (gps / maps, tell time, make calls if I need to, no risk of dropping it).
So overall, it's a nice device (even though software and such needs some urgent updates). Maybe not great for a phone replacement but for outdoor use and exercise it's really good imo.
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Yes, but it doesn't work, and others have confirmed. Is your experience different?
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Works fine for me, using it for SuperSU and Titanium.
Well, the TS is unavailable again: Screen is black, no response to buttons (except the feedback I added with Xposed Additions to get virtual physical button) and no adb. adb is a common issue, very seldom works. But I have my device for a couple of days, I have occasionally borrowed one for time to time though.
He means that changing the DPI to 90 for Ingress doesn't work, I think, gerhardo.
Actually, I play Ingress with my TrueSmart and the stock Ingress client (only) and it mostly does work. Hacking and firing work fine from the front screen long press menu and I was even able to deploy I found recently mainly by lucky pressing in the portal view on a crunched up set of buttons there. I had previously thought deploying impossible with stock and stock. Its still impractical.
What was reported no longer working was adjusting the DPI because of some change Niantic introduced into their code at some point a while back. I have not tried that anyway.
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He means that changing the DPI to 90 for Ingress doesn't work, I think, gerhardo.
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Yes that's what I mean in particular. Ingress no longer honors density settings via App Settings. It doesn't even appear to honor ro.sf.lcd_density on the TS, though it does on my Note 2 (which is annoying since it's set to 280).
I like mine too (1/8 2100 Dev).
Straight from the box, no patch, no rom, no bootloader, no nothing. The apps tho aren't there but it's almost like when the new Xbox, Playstation or Nintendo come out - people don't introduce games until the hardware is in use. I figure the developers of apps are waiting, working and planning something awesome for all smartwatches (not just companions).
Omate, well, hopefully, lessons on their side have been learned and fingers crossed the TS2 (if there is one) will be better planned for.
Hats off to SWApp Link tho. The app is the best thing that's been introduced for me. I had my SIM in my phone originally, then the watch and now back to the phone (just to work out what is best for me - I take a lot of photos and use 4G too much so my Note 3 is where my SIM is needed most) but the app - Bluetooth aside - is absolutely wonderful.
I don't regret buying the TureSmart, nor regret using Kickstarter - I have backed many an idea over the months. My regret is that the technology in total isn't there, yet.
But thank you XDA for being here :good:
Does anyone know if the fingerprint reader works without actually having to push it and just rest your finger on the reader?
Yes, it does.
Yes it does and in fact, it is the fastest sensor I have used. I received mine yesterday and it has been great.
It is a million times better than my note 5 fingerprint scanner. No need to wake the screen with the G5!
This feature is invaluable and its placement really is perfect.
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Yes it does and in fact, it is the fastest sensor I have used. I received mine yesterday and it has been great.
It is a million times better than my note 5 fingerprint scanner. No need to wake the screen with the G5!
This feature is invaluable and its placement really is perfect.
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Sounds like the same setup as the Nexus 6P, which was amazing. I really miss it on my S7 Edge, which usually fails the first attempt every time I try and unlock it.
Yes s7 edge sensor is crap compared to the nexus 6p. I might sell my s7 and go to LG g5.
I'm shopping for a new phone and a fingerprint scanner is a key factor. I'm looking at the G5 or the Nexus 6P. Both have the scanner where I'd like it os it's a hard choice. The G5 has the smaller screen which I like too.
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I'm shopping for a new phone and a fingerprint scanner is a key factor. I'm looking at the G5 or the Nexus 6P. Both have the scanner where I'd like it os it's a hard choice. The G5 has the smaller screen which I like too.
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Well the price is a huge difference too. Really i'll have to see the G5 in person. I have the 6P. Not sure I can justify the extra doe even if I prefer smaller. Might wait a few months if I do like it. Doesn't hurt to take either device on a 14 day testing trail
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Yes it does and in fact, it is the fastest sensor I have used. I received mine yesterday and it has been great.
It is a million times better than my note 5 fingerprint scanner. No need to wake the screen with the G5!
This feature is invaluable and its placement really is perfect.
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If your phone lies on the table and you want to unlock it to check some stuff, how do you do this ? You must lift the phone from the table, and put your index finger on the scanner. While on any front sensor placement phone, you don't have to lift the phone from the table.
When the phone is in your pocket, when you take it out it is much easier to unlock it when the front button has the sensor, actually trying to put the index finger on the sensor is cumbersome and creates instability while holding the phone.
When you are using payment services, it is much easier to use your thumb to unlock it while the screen is facing towards you, because you can then hold the phone near the scanner while securely holding it. Using the index finger creates unwanted instability.
This placement doesn't look "perfect" at all to me. It's just a way for the manufacturers to differentiate in a bad way and not look like copycats for Apple and Samsung, while saving some money and making the phone more compact. It is much easier for a manufacturer to place the sensor on the back on the phone because there are no connectors needed, the sensor is soldered directly on the mainboard. But the ergonomy is really bad.
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Well the price is a huge difference too. Really i'll have to see the G5 in person. I have the 6P. Not sure I can justify the extra doe even if I prefer smaller. Might wait a few months if I do like it. Doesn't hurt to take either device on a 14 day testing trail
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Sadly, I can't do the 14 day trial testing. My contract is considered a Sprint employee contract. Both phones appeal to my liking. The G5 is new and has no development, which is normal for a just released device. The 6P has tons of development, but the size is a little large. I have been using the Note series since the first release but 5.7 inch display is as large as I want to go. I just don't personally have the need and my hands are small. I can always start up the battle between removable batteries and SDcards but at the end of the day I really want a phone that can last me as long as the Note 3 when it comes down to mods and over all enjoyment of the device. Being able to root and flash is important too, and with the news of some recently release devices having locked bootloaders make me leery of new phones. To be honest, Samsung is just not making moves that make me want to spend money on their devices. I'm going to have to wait and see how things turn out before forking over part of my paycheck.
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Sadly, I can't do the 14 day trial testing. My contract is considered a Sprint employee contract. Both phones appeal to my liking. The G5 is new and has no development, which is normal for a just released device. The 6P has tons of development, but the size is a little large. I have been using the Note series since the first release but 5.7 inch display is as large as I want to go. I just don't personally have the need and my hands are small. I can always start up the battle between removable batteries and SDcards but at the end of the day I really want a phone that can last me as long as the Note 3 when it comes down to mods and over all enjoyment of the device. Being able to root and flash is important too, and with the news of some recently release devices having locked bootloaders make me leery of new phones. To be honest, Samsung is just not making moves that make me want to spend money on their devices. I'm going to have to wait and see how things turn out before forking over part of my paycheck.
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Yeah, I love the 6P... clearly the best phone I have had. I just which they made a smaller version of it. It is large and you will quickly get used to the size but then for work I have a smaller phone and find that I miss it. I do prefer LCD over AMOLED which is probably the number 2 reason I would even consider the G5 or the HTC 10. I will play with one at the store to see if it is even worth considering or if I should wait to see what the HTC 10 has to offer. EIther way I wouldn't buy it right now since LG's phones usually drop in price a few months after launch. I'd also go for the international version because after owning the AT&T G4 I noticed that it'll probably never have development with a locked bootloader.
SD cards and removable battery are pluses but I can live without them. Really the only reason I sold my G4 was because of lack of fingerprint reader and usb type C which this clearly fixes. We will have to see my thoughts this afternoon...
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Well the price is a huge difference too. Really i'll have to see the G5 in person. I have the 6P. Not sure I can justify the extra doe even if I prefer smaller. Might wait a few months if I do like it. Doesn't hurt to take either device on a 14 day testing trail
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Yeah, I love the 6P... clearly the best phone I have had. I just which they made a smaller version of it. It is large and you will quickly get used to the size but then for work I have a smaller phone and find that I miss it. I do prefer LCD over AMOLED which is probably the number 2 reason I would even consider the G5 or the HTC 10. I will play with one at the store to see if it is even worth considering or if I should wait to see what the HTC 10 has to offer. EIther way I wouldn't buy it right now since LG's phones usually drop in price a few months after launch. I'd also go for the international version because after owning the AT&T G4 I noticed that it'll probably never have development with a locked bootloader.
SD cards and removable battery are pluses but I can live without them. Really the only reason I sold my G4 was because of lack of fingerprint reader and usb type C which this clearly fixes. We will have to see my thoughts this afternoon...
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I will say the only thing I don't like about the rumored HTC 10 is the placement of the fingerpirnt scanner. I like the idea of it being on the back. I know someone commented on the placement not being good as it being on the front but those points didn't sway me even though they made great sense.
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I will say the only thing I don't like about the rumored HTC 10 is the placement of the fingerpirnt scanner. I like the idea of it being on the back. I know someone commented on the placement not being good as it being on the front but those points didn't sway me even though they made great sense.
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Yeah but it all depends on how the phone feels in the hand, if it is small enough it wont be a problem. I wish someone would put 2 fingerprint readers on the phone. I love the one on the back but when I have it on my desk I have to enter my stupid code every time which gets annoying.
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Yeah but it all depends on how the phone feels in the hand, if it is small enough it wont be a problem. I wish someone would put 2 fingerprint readers on the phone. I love the one on the back but when I have it on my desk I have to enter my stupid code every time which gets annoying.
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Yeah, I've always hated the Pins, passwords, and the patterns on phones. Face unlocks are a joke for now. My wife's S6 fingerprint scanner doesn't always work the first time, but that could be a thumb placement issue. I'd like to see a retinal scanner on a phone that works, but pipe dreams, no?
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Yeah, I've always hated the Pins, passwords, and the patterns on phones. Face unlocks are a joke for now. My wife's S6 fingerprint scanner doesn't always work the first time, but that could be a thumb placement issue. I'd like to see a retinal scanner on a phone that works, but pipe dreams, no?
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Yeah that would be interesting but probably be a bit before they can shrink it down and have it fast enough. Or a under the digitizer finger print reader which is probably what is next. It would be cool to place your finger anywhere on the screen and have it unlock.
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Yeah that would be interesting but probably be a bit before they can shrink it down and have it fast enough. Or a under the digitizer finger print reader which is probably what is next. It would be cool to place your finger anywhere on the screen and have it unlock.
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Indeed it would be. More than likely will be next years big idea for flagships.
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Indeed it would be. More than likely will be next years big idea for flagships.
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yeah, it may be in the new iPhone this year since they removed the home button so it is likely the rest of them will add it as a response.
Hi guys, I just received my LG G5 from Verizon last night. Strangely, on my unit I need to press the fingerprint sensor button rather firmly for it to register. Is this the case for anyone else?
Charkol said:
Hi guys, I just received my LG G5 from Verizon last night. Strangely, on my unit I need to press the fingerprint sensor button rather firmly for it to register. Is this the case for anyone else?
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First I've seen this. Everyone else is commenting how quickly it works by just "touching" and not "pressing" down. Mine works very well workout any pressing.
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First I've seen this. Everyone else is commenting how quickly it works by just "touching" and not "pressing" down. Mine works very well workout any pressing.
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Yeah on my G5 from T-Mobile all I need to do is rest my finger on the sensor and it unlocks the screen, no pressing required.
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First I've seen this. Everyone else is commenting how quickly it works by just "touching" and not "pressing" down. Mine works very well workout any pressing.
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Yeah on my G5 from T-Mobile all I need to do is rest my finger on the sensor and it unlocks the screen, no pressing required.
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Thanks for your replies. I talked to LG yesterday and they are looking into this. I will let you know what they say. Last night while my phone was plugged into the charger, the fingerprint scanner was working correctly and all I had to do was rest my finger on it. Now it's morning and unplugged, and I have to press the button firmly again for it to register.
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
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I like it too...
Because it is hard to reach without changing holding position for most people. I need to hold the phone tight on both sides for my index to access the sensor but in this position I can't use my phone coz my thumb is not long enough to touch the other end of screen so everytime I have to move my hand up and down to unlock and use. The back of phone is very slippery and when my focus is somewhere else there is a chance the phone might slip and fall while unlocking if I am not careful. Pixel/6p like sensor position would've worked the best for note.
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Because it is hard to reach without changing holding position for most people. I need to hold the phone tight on both sides for my index to access the sensor but in this position I can't use my phone coz my thumb is not long enough to touch the other end of screen so everytime I have to move my hand up and down to unlock and use. The back of phone is very slippery and when my focus is somewhere else there is a chance the phone might slip and fall while unlocking if I am not careful. Pixel/6p like sensor position would've worked the best for note.
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i guess we handle differently, i always pickup phone holding it both sides with one hand but then soon after unlock i ease the grip and start holding phone however i wish
It's in the perfect place for me too. The bixby button is in a bad place personally, because I still tap it accidentally holding my phone. I just got a new bike mount for my phone and the sides hit the button too if I center the phone on the holder.
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i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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Works great and feels natural if you hold the phone right handed, but I hold my phone left handed. Wish I held my phone in my right hand and I would be golden then.
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i guess we handle differently, i always pickup phone holding it both sides with one hand but then soon after unlock i ease the grip and start holding phone however i wish
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It just worries me sometimes because it's so shiny and expensive . Probably wont mind after using it for a month or so. It's not a dealbreaker but I hate it when a product gets everything right except "that one thing".
I have know issues with it all
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i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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apparently a lot of people have small hands or no finger muscle memory......or those people seems to hold their phones all the way at the bottom to the point that their thumb is at least an inch or more below the power bottom. for small hands people if their thumb is on the power button then index finger will fall right on the fingerprint reader or for people with a bit larger hands if thumb is at the bottom or right below the power button then index finger would land right on the reader. but people hold their phones differently than others and there will always be people who complain just to complain.
coming from the v20 I find that the fingerprint reader placement on the Note 8 is actually in the perfect spot for me, its easy to reach with one hand or even if holding the phone with both hands.
i dont have any issues either - for a regular/medium sized hand user. fingerprint registers at least 95% of the time with no issues with reach.
Personally I don't even use fingerprint (face recognition works most of the time) that much and placement doesn't bother me, until I use the phone while driving, which is often. The way my phone is mounted face recognition doesn't work, fingerprint sensor is out of reach and typing passwords in heavy traffic I usually find myself in, could be hair raising. My car has BT, so it unlocks while connected , but my wife's car doesn't have BT, so have to risk accident or ticket, sometimes both. But I love my N8 and sensor is on my "could be done better, but I can live with it" list. Sometimes I ask myself why I'm locking my phone and from whom, but that's another topic.
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Personally I don't even use fingerprint (face recognition works most of the time) that much and placement doesn't bother me, until I use the phone while driving, which is often. The way my phone is mounted face recognition doesn't work, fingerprint sensor is out of reach and typing passwords in heavy traffic I usually find myself in, could be hair raising. My car has BT, so it unlocks while connected , but my wife's car doesn't have BT, so have to risk accident or ticket, sometimes both. But I love my N8 and sensor is on my "could be done better, but I can live with it" list. Sometimes I ask myself why I'm locking my phone and from whom, but that's another topic.
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I use Iris scanner primarily but later at night when I'm in bed I prefer using the fingerprint scanner so I don't blind myself or my wife who's sitting beside me in bed.
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i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
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The placement is fine for me but I think it would be better if it were centered. Just so that it's as easy for left-handed ppl. Same way I would like samsung to let us turn the gear s3 screen upside down for those who like to wear their watches on the right wrist.
I have smaller hands, and it works perfect for me. In fact , now after having the phone for a few days, I can work it lefty or righty. Kinda like it better now, didn't think I would say that , but man that big unblocked screen is nice.
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honestly i dont know.. the only time i use the fingerprint sensor is to set my fingerprint.
I also setup IRIS recognition. most of the time before i move my finger to the sensor it already detected my eyes and unlocked the phone.
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i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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I had the same opinion when i had not actually used the phone(or an s8), but since getting a note 8 it really is great placement IMO. its easy and way faster than any other unlock. TBH i only recently realised i didnt have to actually wake the phone to use the fingerprint haha i was too used to pressing power and then scanning like on my old s7edge.
The placement is great for me, i practically unlock the phone as its slideing out of my pocket like i would any other, but with the added functionality of not actually needing to wake the phone it is actually faster than it was on the old models with the sensor on the front.
speaking from a pull out of pocket senario, i think it is probably easier to drop your phone pulling it out and unlocking it from the front, this new placement you can slide it out with full grip on the phone.
what floats your boat, sinks others! I hate it. And if Samsung truly believed it works, why place the sensor back on the front (target future S9/Note 9)?
I thought it would a problem. Once I got used to it. I have no issues works great.
I don't like it.
It has nothing to do with hand size. It cracks me up when new phones come out and people start giving their physical stats as if they're looking for a date.
My phone is usually lying face up. It was much easier to reach over to the table, placing my thumb on the sensor while grasping the phone. It was almost a single move.
Then there were the times it would be on my desk at work standing on my desk with the vertical kickstand. I could simply press the button, holding my thumb on it unlocking it. Didn't have to turn the phone or even pick it up from the desk.
So basically, it was easier due to the fact that the phone could be unlocked without even grasping it.
Yep, pefect place.
The center on the LG phone never felt natural to me.
What's interesting it recognises one finger well. With finger on the other hand it lags all the time. I re-added this finger three times and I gave up.
Fingerprint on this phone is the bottle neck of the UI. There was another complaint about the fingerprint from a user on another thread.
Maybe it was me.
I have not figured out a solution to this, but I get better at placing the finger in a way the sensor recognizes it more often. Still not all the time.
My wife's zf8 (non-flip) has the same issue, too.
Try moisturizer.
Did you try it?
My theory is sanitizers makes hands so dry that fingerprint look flat giving low definition.
Moisturiser makes the skin perk up a little. If you don't want to moisturiser. Just very lightly lick your thumb ( or whichever finger you have to unlock ) you don't want it wet you just want it slightly wet you'll unlock really fast.
If it doesn't work re-register the print with moistened hands. Also drink more water.
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Did you try it?
My theory is sanitizers makes hands so dry that fingerprint look flat giving low definition.
Moisturiser makes the skin perk up a little. If you don't want to moisturiser. Just very lightly lick your thumb ( or whichever finger you have to unlock ) you don't want it wet you just want it slightly wet you'll unlock really fast.
If it doesn't work re-register the print with moistened hands. Also drink more water.
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Actually works. Haha.
Glad it helped
so much lol.
actually I was not planning to lick my thumb every time the phone needs an unlock ... and since my thumbs and fingers work perefectly with other phones, tablets and PC-sensors, it must be the ZF8 (flip).
it bugged me (and my wife, too) so much that we sold the zenfones again and happily returned to Oneplus7 and Oneplus6T. Some new phones will turn up some time, maybe I can get a deal on oneplus9 phones...but the asus-experience I have to say was rather bad.
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so much lol.
actually I was not planning to lick my thumb every time the phone needs an unlock ... and since my thumbs and fingers work perefectly with other phones, tablets and PC-sensors, it must be the ZF8 (flip).
it bugged me (and my wife, too) so much that we sold the zenfones again and happily returned to Oneplus7 and Oneplus6T. Some new phones will turn up some time, maybe I can get a deal on oneplus9 phones...but the asus-experience I have to say was rather bad.
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I think the Oneplus 7 Pro is the last good Oneplus they made the 8 and 9 I couldn't like no matter what.
I like to mod and they seem to be mod unfriendly. I really like the ZF7 Pro, I love everything about it.
I am not a fan of Optical Fingerprint scanners. I wish they make the Zenfone 9 Flip with a capacitive scanner, like in ZF7 and Oneplus 6
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so much lol.
actually I was not planning to lick my thumb every time the phone needs an unlock ... and since my thumbs and fingers work perefectly with other phones, tablets and PC-sensors, it must be the ZF8 (flip).
it bugged me (and my wife, too) so much that we sold the zenfones again and happily returned to Oneplus7 and Oneplus6T. Some new phones will turn up some time, maybe I can get a deal on oneplus9 phones...but the asus-experience I have to say was rather bad.
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Actually i found a solution for fingerprint problem, go settings then advanced and turn on glove mode… my fingerprint problem solved
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Actually i found a solution for fingerprint problem, go settings then advanced and turn on glove mode… my fingerprint problem solved
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Actually solution is very easy.i think most of user just don't know do it properly. You may press a bit while to setup a finger print.once setup to unlock you don't need to press your finger.just put/touch a bit your finger to the spot and scanner will scan you finger easily. Can do repeatly and then you realise is actually easy to unlock this phone.
I added a second finger which is the same finger and it now works much better.
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Did not realize the P6's didn't have Face unlock
Yes, this is a HUGE disappointment but I'm hopeful for it's return, along side the fingerprint sensor, in the next year or 2.
Yr sucks although most android face unlock phones are pretty bad and only work in good light then its hit and miss wish they would take a leaf out of apples face unlock at least it works flawlessly 99% of the time even in the dark only android phones with 3d facial unlocked that came near apples was from Huawei think p40 pro etc maybe 30 pro if remember correctly , I would of much preferred a side mounted fingerprint than a in display one there just as bad with screen protectors etc
Had many inexpensive Chinese 'phones where face unlock is flawless, in near darkness too. My Smartisan is superb in any light, my TCL 10 Pro not so good, even in good light. It has been suggested that face unlock is not very secure (particularly the Chinese models) but I've never managed to fool it with anyone else's face, in a mirror, photographs or random objects . I really like face unlock though one of the problems with more recent versions of Android is that you are often required to use a password after a number of hours have expired. This also applies to fingerprints too. I realise it is for security, but it truly is a pain. My Windows PC has face unlock and it not only recognises me at some distance, but so far I've not needed a password in nine months or so since buying it.
I work with my hands and my fingerprints must become worn, cut or just plain dirty and I find optical fingerprint readers fail to recognise my fingers or thumbs from day to day, hour to hour. Ultrasonic or at least physical fingerprint readers work far better for me. So if Google can add face unlock, I would be grateful. Even if it is a greater security risk.
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Had many inexpensive Chinese 'phones where face unlock is flawless, in near darkness too. My Smartisan is superb in any light, my TCL 10 Pro not so good, even in good light. It has been suggested that face unlock is not very secure (particularly the Chinese models) but I've never managed to fool it with anyone else's face, in a mirror, photographs or random objects . I really like face unlock though one of the problems with more recent versions of Android is that you are often required to use a password after a number of hours have expired. This also applies to fingerprints too. I realise it is for security, but it truly is a pain. My Windows PC has face unlock and it not only recognises me at some distance, but so far I've not needed a password in nine months or so since buying it.
I work with my hands and my fingerprints must become worn, cut or just plain dirty and I find optical fingerprint readers fail to recognise my fingers or thumbs from day to day, hour to hour. Ultrasonic or at least physical fingerprint readers work far better for me. So if Google can add face unlock, I would be grateful. Even if it is a greater security risk.
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I'm in the same boat, I'm old, my fingertips are worn and getting fp unlock to work is a challenge at best.
On my OP7 (current device) I've been using face unlock for almost 2 years without a single issue. When I initially set it up I was only messing around so I set it up in bed while watching TV, with very dim lighting. But thanks to that it works every time, it's never failed under any lighting and 7 times out of 10 even works at the grocery when I'm wearing my mask.
I'll be using Swipe or None on my Pixel 6 lockscreen now because Google removed face unlock "for security" ... not sure how Swipe/None are more secure though, it's simply ridiculous and makes no sense at all.
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I'm in the same boat, I'm old, my fingertips are worn and getting fp unlock to work is a challenge at best.
On my OP7 (current device) I've been using face unlock for almost 2 years without a single issue. When I initially set it up I was only messing around so I set it up in bed while watching TV, with very dim lighting. But thanks to that it works every time, it's never failed under any lighting and 7 times out of 10 even works at the grocery when I'm wearing my mask.
I'll be using Swipe or None on my Pixel 6 lockscreen now because Google removed face unlock "for security" ... not sure how Swipe/None are more secure though, it's simply ridiculous and makes no sense at all.
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I do wish they had both and was kind of counting on it due to earlier reports. I am also, I'll call it elderly since "old" seems to be a state of mind. I have trouble sometimes with FP especially in certain environments such as dry weather or wrinkly skin after swimming. I've taken to one hand mode so I can enter the keys rather quickly although I do curse at it most of the time. My experience with face unlock on the P4 was rather good in all kinds of lighting until face masks became ubiquitous. Then it didn't work at all. Apple figured it out but you needed an iWatch (is that what they call it?) in order to make it flawless and that is not acceptable to most users of Android. But hopefully they will enable both in the future perhaps with a software update or dare I say it, the P7?
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Your face is now the property of the PRC.
I suspect Face Unlock will show up on the Pixel 6 in due time. Unfortunate that is not there in release.
I wouldn't be surprised for this to show up as a software update in the future officially, given the difficulties being experienced with the in-screen fingerprint sensor combined with screen protectors.
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Almost certainly! Especially as a few have been direct imports of brands not sold (widely, if at all) out of the Chinese markets.