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Hey. I bought on ebay without searching a set of Sony Mh1 earphones. But later i saw that its the old OMTP model instead of the CTIA. From my understanding there will be malfunctions like the volume up/down or the answer call button. But will the quality of sound be as is supposed to be? (or will it work at all?). I read that on some phones the sound is ok, but on others there are problems e.g the maximum volume is too low. Does anyone know for sure? Thx !
Hi guys, I would like to ask, if you are using any kernel/mod which is improving sound quality (headphones) of the S6 Edge.
I believe that it is just software issue, as there is Wolfson DAC and I always liked its sound (SGS1, SGS3). I have a good headphones (UE TrippleFi) and I'm using also great app (Neutron).
Yesterday I compared my S6 Edge to the S3 with the same setup (same headphones, same settings in Neutron, no effects active) and the S3 sounded better. Big time.
Sound on the S6 is to me narrower and kinda without life. Missing the low end and also upper lows, boring mids and too much highs.
I believe that this can be somehow sorted (maybe it already is and I just dont know about it), so I'm asking if any of you know some solution.
Thanks a lot!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...s/viper4android-2-4-0-1-neon-enabled-t3310716
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...s/viper4android-2-4-0-1-neon-enabled-t3310716
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Thank you for your reply. I know viper but as far as I know it is only a software tool, EQ if you like. I have pretty versatile EQ in Neutron, so this is not what I was looking for.
What I had in mind was something which can control DAC directly. Something like Boeffla Sound which controlled the DAC itself so I could bypass any Samsung crap or whatever is causing this sound issue.
JezzyWeed said:
Thank you for your reply. I know viper but as far as I know it is only a software tool, EQ if you like. I have pretty versatile EQ in Neutron, so this is not what I was looking for.
What I had in mind was something which can control DAC directly. Something like Boeffla Sound which controlled the DAC itself so I could bypass any Samsung crap or whatever is causing this sound issue.
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I completely feel with you.
I also own the s1, s3 and the s6 edge because of the Wolfson DAC. The one included on the Snapdragon Galaxies like s5 is worse...
One the s1 I used voodoo sound on the s3 Boefla kernel with boefla sound....
AFAIK there is no custom kernel with direct DAC control features available, that sux.....
I myself modified the audio_effect.conf (removed the soundalive libraries) and the mixerpaths.xml (more output power) in order to get more power and to remove the soundalive and adapt sound crap from Samsung. Besides of that I have frozen both apps and use viper4android instead of them.
viper4android isn't just an equalizer it is a powerful sound pre-processing tool.
Although there is no custom kernel for direct DAC control and bypass features I guess to have managed it sounding as good as the s3 now.....
Anyway it would be great to get a kernel which can bypass that Samsung stuff already and has got direct DAC and stuff like Boefla sound and or voodoo sound...
BTW: Great to have somebody like you who also appreciates pure Wolfson sound..
The superior Wolfson DAC quality made me to refuse to get an Galaxy S with a Snapdragon.....
Vaira said:
I completely feel with you.
I also own the s1, s3 and the s6 edge because of the Wolfson DAC. The one included on the Snapdragon Galaxies like s5 is worse...
One the s1 I used voodoo sound on the s3 Boefla kernel with boefla sound....
AFAIK there is no custom kernel with direct DAC control features available, that sux.....
I myself modified the audio_effect.conf (removed the soundalive libraries) and the mixerpaths.xml (more output power) in order to get more power and to remove the soundalive and adapt sound crap from Samsung. Besides of that I have frozen both apps and use viper4android instead of them.
viper4android isn't just an equalizer it is a powerful sound pre-processing tool.
Although there is no custom kernel for direct DAC control and bypass features I guess to have managed it sounding as good as the s3 now.....
Anyway it would be great to get a kernel which can bypass that Samsung stuff already and has got direct DAC and stuff like Boefla sound and or voodoo sound...
BTW: Great to have somebody like you who also appreciates pure Wolfson sound..
The superior Wolfson DAC quality made me to refuse to get an Galaxy S with a Snapdragon.....
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You lady (I guess by the username) are reading my mind. I was absolutely the same. After I was pleased by Wolfson on the SGS1 it was one of the main reasons I got S3 and S6 Edge.
About the Viper though, I don´t feel that way. I tested it on my S3 and I wasn´t able to hear any notable difference (Neutron itself is very good signal processor). I don´t use EQ for my headphones as they sound great as they are and I want to hear the track how it should be. I use EQ only on a speaker to fine tune it. Thus I didn´t really used any of its features. As you know we need the DAC Control
And about those changes you made, is it significantly better? Uuu and you might help me. So far, in all ROM threads I asked no one answered my question. I´m looking for ROM in which you can set up the Volume steps. Neither guys in CarHD or CrissCross threads answered this question. And this is crucial function to me as the regular 15 steps makes huge leaps. Thanks!
JezzyWeed said:
You lady (I guess by the username) are reading my mind. I was absolutely the same. After I was pleased by Wolfson on the SGS1 it was one of the main reasons I got S3 and S6 Edge.
About the Viper though, I don´t feel that way. I tested it on my S3 and I wasn´t able to hear any notable difference (Neutron itself is very good signal processor). I don´t use EQ for my headphones as they sound great as they are and I want to hear the track how it should be. I use EQ only on a speaker to fine tune it. Thus I didn´t really used any of its features. As you know we need the DAC Control
And about those changes you made, is it significantly better? Uuu and you might help me. So far, in all ROM threads I asked no one answered my question. I´m looking for ROM in which you can set up the Volume steps. Neither guys in CarHD or CrissCross threads answered this question. And this is crucial function to me as the regular 15 steps makes huge leaps. Thanks!
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Hello again,
I am male even though my nick might sound female, lol.
Well, I thought somebody would create a kernel with those DAC control features for the S6 Edge sooner or later, but nothing so far….
I thought when I’ve got the S6 Edge on April what can I do myself?
I can remove Samsungs pre-processing and I can gain more power on volume…that’s all. I cannot modify the kernel myself that way…..
First I noticed that the s6 isn’t loud enough due to that odd EU volume restriction.
I knew setting some values at the mixer_paths.xml might raise volume level.
To introduce more steps I found not necessary, though. Besides of that I do not know how to achieve that TBH.
Reading on the viper4android thread concerning the s6 edge I noticed that the neon drivers of it do not run on enforcing kernel….
So I used a script run by chainfire’s super su on start which allows them libraries run when enforcing…additionally I had a look on the audio_effect.conf where Samsung’s own processing libs are called……
Yes it is significantly better than pure stock defaults…sound alive and adapt sound removed, volume increased, viper4android neon drivers running and much trial and error to get proper settings….
And yes I neither used viper4android on the Galaxy S nor on the s3. It wasn’t necessary at all.
But on the S6 with current possibilities I decided to go for it.
It is the best I could get myself….. I am using Samsung’s stock player with custom viper4android profile…..as said I guess I have managed it to have it as good as the s3 has been….
I am still running android 5.0.2 since I am pingpong rooted and to not want to trip KNOX (not for warranty reasons but for personal idealistic reasons, lol)
I modified anything myself by exchanging the files.
Maybe one should email the dev of Boeffla asking if he ever will develop for the s6 edge….in the meantime I am afraid that this is the only solution, to remove the Samsung’s own processing libs/apps which concern headphone output and to use viper4android and a volume mod instead of…
Here is my post where I published the way I have running it till today: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61526054&postcount=253
If you compare the files with the originals you should find out how to modify the current ones as well…
I don’t know what current custom roms can do.
But I’d suggest to try one which comes with viper4android and a volume mod included. Maybe you come close to the s3 as well...
Vaira said:
Hello again,
I am male even though my nick might sound female, lol.
Well, I thought somebody would create a kernel with those DAC control features for the S6 Edge sooner or later, but nothing so far….
I thought when I’ve got the S6 Edge on April what can I do myself?
I can remove Samsungs pre-processing and I can gain more power on volume…that’s all. I cannot modify the kernel myself that way…..
First I noticed that the s6 isn’t loud enough due to that odd EU volume restriction.
I knew setting some values at the mixer_paths.xml might raise volume level.
To introduce more steps I found not necessary, though. Besides of that I do not know how to achieve that TBH.
Reading on the viper4android thread concerning the s6 edge I noticed that the neon drivers of it do not run on enforcing kernel….
So I used a script run by chainfire’s super su on start which allows them libraries run when enforcing…additionally I had a look on the audio_effect.conf where Samsung’s own processing libs are called……
Yes it is significantly better than pure stock defaults…sound alive and adapt sound removed, volume increased, viper4android neon drivers running and much trial and error to get proper settings….
And yes I neither used viper4android on the Galaxy S nor on the s3. It wasn’t necessary at all.
But on the S6 with current possibilities I decided to go for it.
It is the best I could get myself….. I am using Samsung’s stock player with custom viper4android profile…..as said I guess I have managed it to have it as good as the s3 has been….
I am still running android 5.0.2 since I am pingpong rooted and to not want to trip KNOX (not for warranty reasons but for personal idealistic reasons, lol)
I modified anything myself by exchanging the files.
Maybe one should email the dev of Boeffla asking if he ever will develop for the s6 edge….in the meantime I am afraid that this is the only solution, to remove the Samsung’s own processing libs/apps which concern headphone output and to use viper4android and a volume mod instead of…
Here is my post where I published the way I have running it till today: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61526054&postcount=253
If you compare the files with the originals you should find out how to modify the current ones as well…
I don’t know what current custom roms can do.
But I’d suggest to try one which comes with viper4android and a volume mod included. Maybe you come close to the s3 as well...
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Haha sorry for calling you a lady then I was surprised that a girl would have such interest in this geeky stuff, but one never know!
I will defo read trough your list of changes and try em out probably. Altough I never had a problem with volume as my headphones are in ear and they are pretty loud. I´m never listening louder than about 50%.
One last thing if I could ask you. Would you be so nice and try out the Neutron music player? It is super powerful player with plenty of customization. I find its sound much better than PowerAmp or other players. If you have a good headphones you should notice the difference immediately. If so, Neutron has free trial app and I can post you list of possible best settings. To my knowledge, Neutron do bypass all software processing and listen directly do DAC. I just want to hear from you if you find using Neutron made your listening experience better or not. Feel free to just send me to the hell
Sit rep: I sent a text to Mr. Boeffla and unfortunately I have to tell you bad news.
In his statement he said, that he is not developing for Samsung anymore as well he is not buying any of their products, so there is no chance he is going to develop anything for our S6/Edge :/ Well, at least we know!
Thank you for the update. It’s a shame that Andy won’t develop a kernel for the s6 edge, anyway I can comprehend his reasons to be disappointed/frustrated about Samsung.
I’ll give Neutron a try, thanks for the hint!
I need to find time for excessive testing, though. But I’ll definitively do it. If it’s better I’ll buy it.
The modifications at sound_effects.conf are necessary to get rid of Samsung’s pre-processing from their stock player. 3rd party player can run DAC directly…..
I tried many different players and came to the conclusion Samsung’s own is one of the best choice.
Poweramp is one of the worst IMHO.
A friend is using playerpro and is very satisfied.
I have got 2 completely different headphones. One is for classical music and the other for rock/electro.
Concerning output volume it depends on impedance of the headphone. I do not like in ears, though. Over the ear or on ear with higher impedance required a volume boost by modifying that xml.
Vaira said:
Thank you for the update. It’s a shame that Andy won’t develop a kernel for the s6 edge, anyway I can comprehend his reasons to be disappointed/frustrated about Samsung.
I’ll give Neutron a try, thanks for the hint!
I need to find time for excessive testing, though. But I’ll definitively do it. If it’s better I’ll buy it.
The modifications at sound_effects.conf are necessary to get rid of Samsung’s pre-processing from their stock player. 3rd party player can run DAC directly…..
I tried many different players and came to the conclusion Samsung’s own is one of the best choice.
Poweramp is one of the worst IMHO.
A friend is using playerpro and is very satisfied.
I have got 2 completely different headphones. One is for classical music and the other for rock/electro.
Concerning output volume it depends on impedance of the headphone. I do not like in ears, though. Over the ear or on ear with higher impedance required a volume boost by modifying that xml.
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Oh in that point I totaly see why you needed to boost volume. I prefer in ear as they isolate noise and therefore I can keep volume down.
Definately give a try to Neutron, I already bought their app as it is the one I use most and Im super satisfied. Years ago I was at poweramp but then I tried Neutron and never ever went back. The clarity of the highs and detail of lows in completely somewhere else. If you'd like I can send here some useful tips how to set up the Neutron. But if you are not audio noob, what I guess youre not you will find your head around. They have also very good faq at their website to answer most questions. Many users are complaining about the UI, but I think that once you learn how to use it you wont go back. My top tip about UI, would be to dissable swipe to skip track in UI settings so you can use swipe to change the screens. Please let me know how you like Neutron
And for future, I guess we just have to pray for some dev to unlock DAC and amp capabilities for us. Maybe some port of the boeffla sound concerning its Wolfson?!
Hi, just dropping a note that I did not forget to test Neutron....
Recently I am busy with other stuff though...not sure when I get a spare weekend....
I probably update to 6.0.1 first......
Cya again...
JezzyWeed said:
Oh in that point I totaly see why you needed to boost volume. I prefer in ear as they isolate noise and therefore I can keep volume down.
Definately give a try to Neutron, I already bought their app as it is the one I use most and Im super satisfied. Years ago I was at poweramp but then I tried Neutron and never ever went back. The clarity of the highs and detail of lows in completely somewhere else. If you'd like I can send here some useful tips how to set up the Neutron. But if you are not audio noob, what I guess youre not you will find your head around. They have also very good faq at their website to answer most questions. Many users are complaining about the UI, but I think that once you learn how to use it you wont go back. My top tip about UI, would be to dissable swipe to skip track in UI settings so you can use swipe to change the screens. Please let me know how you like Neutron
And for future, I guess we just have to pray for some dev to unlock DAC and amp capabilities for us. Maybe some port of the boeffla sound concerning its Wolfson?!
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Hi again,
I successfully updated to 6.0.1. I 've rooted it and tripped KNOX and installed Viper4Android. (Wrote a how to here @xda).
And I had time to install the evaluation version of Neutron.....4 days left.
As a 'first' impression I can say (after 3 hours of testing) that it is a decent player. It sounds better than Samsung stock player and has more features.....the UI isn't that bad.
ANYWAY: Without viper you don't get by far the best listening experience....
Pure Neutron output has still a narrow 'confined' sound. It is better than Samsung pure stock sound though....
In combination with Viper it seems Neutron is better than stock, but need to test that next 4 days....
Maybe you can post some Neutron settings you are using?
P.S.: You need to test viper4Android, it is amazing...it definitely improves your sound experience, Neutron alone cannot perfom that..
I'll come back for a final opinion...
Vaira said:
Hi again,
I successfully updated to 6.0.1. I 've rooted it and tripped KNOX and installed Viper4Android. (Wrote a how to here @xda).
And I had time to install the evaluation version of Neutron.....4 days left.
As a 'first' impression I can say (after 3 hours of testing) that it is a decent player. It sounds better than Samsung stock player and has more features.....the UI isn't that bad.
ANYWAY: Without viper you don't get by far the best listening experience....
Pure Neutron output has still a narrow 'confined' sound. It is better than Samsung pure stock sound though....
In combination with Viper it seems Neutron is better than stock, but need to test that next 4 days....
Maybe you can post some Neutron settings you are using?
P.S.: You need to test viper4Android, it is amazing...it definitely improves your sound experience, Neutron alone cannot perfom that..
I'll come back for a final opinion...
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Oh so nice of you man.
Glad to hear that you like Neutron, it is really a feature packed player (10 band parametric eq with a choice of a filter, just wau).
Thanks to you I will test the viper on the s6. Only reason why I didnt do that was my previous negative experience on the s3.
Settings Im using and which are relevant to sound are:
Resampling - Audiophile
Replay gain off
Gain protection off
64 bit processing on (it influence only the eq)
audio hardware - lattecies to minimum, dither on, hardware gain on, audio focus on, generic driver on, 32 bit output on, frequency 48k.
Hope it helps
JezzyWeed said:
Oh so nice of you man.
Glad to hear that you like Neutron, it is really a feature packed player (10 band parametric eq with a choice of a filter, just wau).
Thanks to you I will test the viper on the s6. Only reason why I didnt do that was my previous negative experience on the s3.
Settings Im using and which are relevant to sound are:
Resampling - Audiophile
Replay gain off
Gain protection off
64 bit processing on (it influence only the eq)
audio hardware - lattecies to minimum, dither on, hardware gain on, audio focus on, generic driver on, 32 bit output on, frequency 48k.
Hope it helps
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Thanks. I have basically the same settings. Although I noticed when using preamp and gain protection one does not need to modify the mixer_paths to gain more volume. (headphones with a higher impedance)
Neutron player is by far loud enough out of the box.....
Considering the player alone, I have to say Neutron is the best one I have tried so far. The EQ is fantastic and highly customisable.
But together with viper the difference to stock player is not big anymore...better said it is very hard since you need to adjust viper to Neutron as well.....
At some tracks I'd say the overall result is better on Neutron plus viper....but would it justify to spend more than 6 bucks?
It depends on kind of music and quality, even though I do not have them worse than 320 MP3s...
Still testing...I needed a break since testing too much makes one feel like I know nothing anymore...which settings are better.
When testing viper goto UI setting and switch to 'expert'.
Do not use the EQ at first...
Try playbackagc, viperddc, differential surround, reverberation, dynamic system, viper bass and viper clarity...
Try to find a combination of some of them enabled and adjusted...leave the other viper settings alone at first...
I'll test more..cu again
OK, my Neutron player has been expired.
For users without root it is probably the best player....
For users with root viper4android is a must have. IMHO.
It is amazing and almost unbelievable what the programmer of viper4android has achieved....I seems nobody of the pros (Samsung/Sony/HTC) can reach that with their DSP soft...
Also the current players available cannot...
The S3 with boeffla sound engine is a combination that sounds very good without viper, but it seems that is an exception.
If you want I can try to make a viper4android 'default' which sounds 'relatively' good (but better than without) on a greater variety of headphones and can upload it....so you could start from there...
Just drop an reply...either way enjoy your rig
BTW: I have asked 2 kernel devs if they can port boeffla sound engine to the s6 kernel...no answer yet....
Vaira said:
OK, my Neutron player has been expired.
For users without root it is probably the best player....
For users with root viper4android is a must have. IMHO.
It is amazing and almost unbelievable what the programmer of viper4android has achieved....I seems nobody of the pros (Samsung/Sony/HTC) can reach that with their DSP soft...
Also the current players available cannot...
The S3 with boeffla sound engine is a combination that sounds very good without viper, but it seems that is an exception.
If you want I can try to make a viper4android 'default' which sounds 'relatively' good (but better than without) on a greater variety of headphones and can upload it....so you could start from there...
Just drop an reply...either way enjoy your rig
BTW: I have asked 2 kernel devs if they can port boeffla sound engine to the s6 kernel...no answer yet....
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Sorry for my response time, I've been busy.
Moving to a new place and work mostly.
But I also bought a new cable for my headphones so I'm still testing/enjoying
Hope you're good
Hi guys,
Coming from a Google Pixel XL, I didn't bother rooting it because everything seemed to work right out of the box and being a stock android phone, I didn't feel the need to. Now that I have my v30, there seems to be so many customizable options (Android has come a long way with their software over the last few years!), which in the past few years would have needed root or custom rom to access.
My question is, since there are ports for things like the Google Camera app, substratum themes and other mods that work without root, what are the benefits of rooting this phone?
So far all I can think about is a better ad blocker and installing some speaker mods. Oh and F-droid was useful back in the day for Youtube Downloader - but don't need that since I have Youtube Red.
To me it doesn't seem worth it to void warranty for such small benefits, I could be wrong though, and I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on other benefits of rooting/custom rom!
I myself rooted my V30 in order to use Magisk and especially V4A, so if you like good sound then, you maybe should.
HD1999 said:
I myself rooted my V30 in order to use Magisk and especially V4A, so if you like good sound then, you maybe should.
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What's wrong with the sound without root?
sparky_boi said:
Now that I have my v30, there seems to be so many customizable options (Android has come a long way with their software over the last few years!), which in the past few years would have needed root or custom rom to access.
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Which V30 variant do you have? You seem to be from Australia. Do you have a V30 which can be rooted? Only two actual V30 can be rooted (European H930, North American open market US998); three if you're including the European "V30+" (H930G).
Yes, software has been optimized more since the early days of Android. Maybe there's less stuff that needs to be "fixed" -- and with Nova launcher/custom icon packs, etc, there's a lot that can be done without rooting. Also, Blokada for instance, is a good free ad blocker.
But TWRP custom recovery, Titanium Backup still give you power you don't have without root.
Some of the V30 custom ROMs do "fix" (or improve) the quad DAC, as well as some standalone audio mods (which require root). The ROMs may not "require" root, but they at least require unlocked bootloader and TWRP. So, you might as well root and get full benefit.
Whiskeyomega's V30 Sound Mods
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
[ROM][US998] WETA 1.5 [10c][1st.Mar]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development/rom-weta-1-0-t3747290
[ROM] [Stock] [Aroma] [All Rooted V30] BoomBox V30 [11M] [V0.05 10th March]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development/rom-boombox-v30-t3765275
bilbo60 said:
What's wrong with the sound without root?
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Nothing wrong with it, but v4a gives us the power to enhance the sound even further
bilbo60 said:
What's wrong with the sound without root?
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Well, nothing or possibly quite a lot -- depending on which model you have. @Whiskeyomega discovered some inconsistencies across V30/V30+ models that should not be there. But with root, you can fix it.
Whiskeyomega's V30 Sound Mods
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
Whiskeyomega said:
So Im testing a few various options tonight with mixer_paths_tavil.xml and I genuinely believe that LG have done goofed.
What I think ive found is the V30 has 2 sound devices (not sure if its 2 DACS) but there is a low power device which seems to be what would be the default sound device for a LG phone (maybe the G6) and there is also the decent ES9218P DAC chip.
What LG has done as made a bad job of the mixer_paths_tavil.xml which includes references a ES9018 which was never put in the phone or any phone AFAIK.
But what I have just noticed is if you are using a set of low impedance headphones . It goes through to the low power sound device chip but keeps the HIFI DAC switch working so the EQ can still work. Unless you make it think you are running a different type of headset -- which it calls "Advanced", which is high impedance -- then it runs to the decent DAC and there are no problems.
I have also noticed in all the mixer_paths_tavil.xml from around the world markets that there are differences in settings which should be the same. Which is what could account for some people saying Low Impedance still runs through the same decent DAC and some people saying it doesnt. Either way mixer_paths_tavil.xml is a maze of old and incorrect information.
So with that in mind. I'd Like to share the results of my work with more always coming.
There is a key to the file names
BQ = Better Quality IE It uses the decent DAC
MV = Move Volume for Low Impedance and/or Aux devices
HIM = Forces Low Impedance into High Impedance mode
LIH = For Low Impedance Headphones
Aux = For Auxiliary devices E.G Car Speakers
Stock = Depends on the Country it came from as to what it does. Could be Better quality might not be.
Please delete the part between mixer_paths_tavil and .xml and put in /system/etc (Requires root)
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ChazzMatt said:
Which V30 variant do you have? You seem to be from Australia. Do you have a V30 which can be rooted? Only two actual V30 can be rooted (European H930, North American open market US998); three if you're including the European "V30+" (H930G).
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Oh I had no idea that only a select few could be rooted. Mine is the dual sim variant (H930DS) which looks like it can't.
After reading the responses and doing a little bit more research, it seems to me there's not that many benefits for this phone except pushing the sound quality a little further. For me it's not worth losing warranty for just a few small improvements, so although it is quite saddening that I can't unlock the bootloader for the option to be able to root/custom rom - I think it's ok for this phone as it's already packed full of features and seems to check all the boxes.
Thanks heaps for the replies, I should've done my research to see if I could even root the phone before asking haha!
bilbo60 said:
What's wrong with the sound without root?
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Depends whom you might ask. Several of us have sound over Bluetooth issues. This has nothing to do with root though.
Do some serious research on this phone before you take the plunge. I'm not trying to hate, but in all honesty, my experience with this phone and its issues / lack of support / slow updates, makes me no longer a fan of LG.
20degrees said:
Depends whom you might ask. Several of us have sound over Bluetooth issues. This has nothing to do with root though.
Do some serious research on this phone before you take the plunge. I'm not trying to hate, but in all honesty, my experience with this phone and its issues / lack of support / slow updates, makes me no longer a fan of LG.
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I'm referring to wired sound with the DAC which I find to be fantastic. I have had no issues with the phone so far, but haven't tried Bluetooth for music. I'm also on Oreo.
Well, if you root, you can have Oreo right now.
[ROM][H930/G][Oreo][8.0.0] Stock debloated Oreo for H930 [v1.01]
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development/rom-stock-debloated-oreo-h930-t3768232
I thought about rooting it too but decided it's not worth bothering with. There's nothing to improve on the sound so V4a is useless. I don't use any EQ, good headphones don't need it.
All the bloat can be uninstalled and all other annoyances I had could be fixed without root. Like Android resampling 16 bit 44.1 KHz to 48 KHz. Can be bypassed by bit padding all the flacs to 24 bit.
IMO
Back in the day ... absolutely.
These days since you can disable or restrict most apps.... just not that big a deal.
DLS123 said:
I thought about rooting it too but decided it's not worth bothering with. There's nothing to improve on the sound so V4a is useless. I don't use any EQ, good headphones don't need it.
All the bloat can be uninstalled and all other annoyances I had could be fixed without root. Like Android resampling 16 bit 44.1 KHz to 48 KHz. Can be bypassed by bit padding all the flacs to 24 bit.
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Au contraire. There is something to improve the sound:
Whiskeyomega's V30 Sound Mods
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
What LG has done as made a bad job of the mixer_paths_tavil.xml which includes references a ES9018 which was never put in the phone or any phone AFAIK.
But what I have just noticed is if you are using a set of low impedance headphones, It goes through to the low power sound device chip but keeps the HIFI DAC switch working so the EQ can still work. Unless you make it think you are running a different type of headset which it calls "Advanced" which is high impedance -- then it runs to the decent DAC and there are no problems.
I have also noticed in all the mixer_paths_tavil.xml from around the world markets that there are differences in settings which should be the same. Which is what could account for some people saying Low Impedance still runs through the same decent DAC and some people saying it doesnt. Either way mixer_paths_tavil.xml is a maze of old and incorrect information.
So with that in mind. I'd Like to share the results of my work with more always coming.
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Besides these standalone mods, some of this is implemented in at least two stock-based ROMs.
ChazzMatt said:
Au contraire. There is something to improve the sound:
Whiskeyomega's V30 Sound Mods
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/themes/whiskeyomegas-v30-sound-mods-t3757115
Besides these standalone mods, some of this is implemented in at least two stock-based ROMs.
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Chazz,
Would you describe your experiences using that sound mod. Thanks
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There isn't. I don't think what that dude says is accurate. The HiFi DAC is always on if toggled, it's not dependent on triggering high impedance mode.
I can turn it on with low impedance headphones, I can hear the difference, it's been measured and proven on Head-Fi too.
He probably broke something with the ROM he used then he had to fix.
The only case when forcefully enabling high impedance mode might be useful is when using low impedance inefficient IEMs that require lots of power. I'm not using such things.
Hi everybody,
Been using Redmi Note 4x for about 10 months now, and I love the phone in every way except the audio quality. Since I don't care much about the speakers, I am referring to the audio quality from the headphone jack.
I will try my best to articulate the problem so that you can understand my frustration. I would like to know: 1) Anybody else facing this? 2) Any sustainable solution?
Before Redmi Note 4, I have used a Moto G(2nd gen) & Moto X Play, and both had pretty standard audio quality, which is to say: Basic, Clean & Enjoyable. I use a Soundmagic ES18 (which is PRETTY Good, and gives a V-shaped clean sound output, very enjoyable).
Redmi Note 4 is just different in terms of sound, I don't know what or why, but after 5-10 minutes of listening, my entire body starts feeling irritated, almost as if I have been getting very mild electric shocks. Needless to say, as far as music is concerned, I am a very unhappy customer. I love music, and I just have not been able to enjoy. Plus, I don't know if my eardrums have been damaged in any way (i listen at very moderate/low levels).
I am trying to understand, is this something wrong with my particular set? If so, I have some time left in warranty to get it fixed. But if it is the sound signature of Mido in general, then has anybody come up with any solution to this? Mi Forum seems to suggest many other users complaining about the same thing, even though people describe it differently.
As I mentioned, the music listening experience is one of physical irritation. GSM Arena shows how Mido has a clean output, though it is very soft from the headphone jack. Since I use V4A, I boost the playback gain, so that is not the issue, the issue is that something about the sound signature is such that music is not enjoyable. Treble seems unnecessarily sharp, Bass feels unnecessarily synthetic & bloated, Mid-range is too harsh, and therefore, overall, the audio output is really bad, to me.
My girlfriend has the Redmi 3s, my father has the Redmi 4x (from my recommendation), and I have a MiPad. My girlfriend's and father's phones have a pretty enjoyable sound signature, so does my tablet, even though my tablet has a softer sound output, but none create any irritation. I have tested the sound from all these devices with the same earphone (ES18), and without turning on any EQs. These Xiaomi devices have a little different sound from my Moto devices, but still very enjoyable. Mido, however, is really bothering me.
Please feel free to engage with me. I am only looking to confirm what is the issue, and find out potential solutions. Please help me to enjoy music on this phone...
Thanks & Regards
Hi man! I've experienced the same issues...i didn't find a way to obtain a good quality sound. The best solution for me is to:
-try to have flac songs with high quality
-Use dolby Atmos (discovered in mi-globe rom v 9.5)
-modify the mixer.paths.mtp.xml file to increase maximum volume (i had a very low sound, with my headphones on and max volume set i can heard people talk around me)
But these are just "tricks"...i think that the hardware is the real problem!
give ainur sauron audio mod a try. you will need to get the beta flashable zip as only the beta supports magisk 17+
xXSK2kXx said:
give ainur sauron audio mod a try. you will need to get the beta flashable zip as only the beta supports magisk 17+
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Can you give me the link???
xXSK2kXx said:
give ainur sauron audio mod a try. you will need to get the beta flashable zip as only the beta supports magisk 17+
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Thanks man...i visited the site and seems quite serious! I'll give it a try as soon as possible!! I hope it will works on miui 10
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Can you give me the link???
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latest betas are uploaded on the telegram group for testing purposes
I'm currently on MIUI 10 10.0.6.0 and I have my phone region set to United Kingdom but the volume in headphones is 20% lower then if the phones region is set to India
Does anyone know if this issue has been fixed?
Is the same with Italy... too low
M4nu3l1c4t4 said:
Is the same with Italy... too low
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First off, thanks for replying
This wasn't an issue on the last MIUI 9 stable ROM but for some reason was introduced on MIUI 10 stable ROM. I just don't get why it's lower for us but not for people who have their phone region set to India. I haven't tried to set my region to any other region apart from my own (United Kingdom) and India
I brought a pair of 1More Triple Driver In-Ear Headphones to go with my phone and was very happy before MIUI 10
I get the feeling no one knows lol
Don't know if this is the reason, but a few years ago the EU set sound level limits on personal music players:
https://blog.mediamusicnow.co.uk/2015/03/23/eu-commission-control-volume-mp3-players-ipods-other-players/
It may be different again now but it would explain things.
If the volume is louder when set to the India phone region it would tend to point to the limitation being in software. I'm sure I've heard of apps that can give you greater than 100% sound level.
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Don't know if this is the reason, but a few years ago the EU set sound level limits on personal music players:
https://blog.mediamusicnow.co.uk/20...ntrol-volume-mp3-players-ipods-other-players/
It may be different again now but it would explain things.
If the volume is louder when set to the India phone region it would tend to point to the limitation being in software. I'm sure I've heard of apps that can give you greater than 100% sound level.
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Thank you for replying. I would think that was the case if this also happened while running MIUI 9 but it didn't so I can't see that it is.
I do use PowerAMP to listen to music so I guess I'll just have to increase the volume that way but doing so wouldn't that distorts the audio?
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Thank you for replying. I would think that was the case if this also happened while running MIUI 9 but it didn't so I can't see that it is.
I do use PowerAMP to listen to music so I guess I'll just have to increase the volume that way but doing so wouldn't that distorts the audio?
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I suppose it would depend upon how much you increased it by; you could take the level up to at least of the Indian phone region level. If you can't hear any noticeable distortion at the sound level you feel comfortable with then it's not going to do any harm to anything.
Brianrh said:
I suppose it would depend upon how much you increased it by; you could take the level up to at least of the Indian phone region level. If you can't hear any noticeable distortion at the sound level you feel comfortable with then it's not going to do any harm to anything.
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True but it's only a quick fix for audio/MP3 only. Doesn't fix the fact that it also affects audio for videos also.
Please set your region to India and play some music and videos then change it to United Kingdom and play the same music and video again and you can hear how quieter it is
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True but it's only a quick fix for audio/MP3 only. Doesn't fix the fact that it also affects audio for videos also.
Please set your region to India and play some music and videos then change it to United Kingdom and play the same music and video again and you can hear how quieter it is
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There do seem to be Android apps in the Play Store that claim to increase volume for media, ringtones, etc. I don't know how well they work but it may be worthwhile investigating.
Brianrh said:
There do seem to be Android apps in the Play Store that claim to increase volume for media, ringtones, etc. I don't know how well they work but it may be worthwhile investigating.
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Yeah looks like I'm going to as I just updated to the latest stable pie ROM and the problem is now worse than what it is.
If anyone is reading this I recommended you stay well away from the Stable Pie ROM at all costs