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Thanks HTC for bring a bigger mp camera to a phone that's suppose to be the little brother of the m8.........
http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/5/...tes-the-companys-flagship-phone-in-a-trimmed
...because we're ALWAYS complaining about the MP on our camera when we just upload the photos to instagram and fb..
You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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I'll agree that what smartphone camera is "better" depends on how you in particular use the camera. But just because a camera has more MP, does not make it "better" either. We'll have to wait and see if the camera on the One Mini 2 actually yields better quality images than the M8.
Unless you are blowing up or cropping photos a lot, 13 MP is too much and a joke for a camera phone. High MP smartphone cameras really struggle in low light. And unless you are taking pictures outdoors in broad daylight, its often low light.
I'll agree that HTC probably should not have opted for the dual camera on the M8. Kinda cool at times, but also pretty gimmicky. The money probably would have been better spent improving image quality on the single rear camera (even if not to increase the MP).
It's kinda a slap in the face to a certain degree. Here is the new m8 with the same camera with a secondary camera which is mostly gimmicky while nice at the same time. Then they decide to make the new HTC one mini from a 5 mp camera to a 13MP camera...........
Now will it have better pics? Probably not or probably so. For most people it don't matter, but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8. While the m8 blows the mini in other specs that 13MP camera looks a lot better to somebody who doesn't care to have the latest and greatest specs.
While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8.
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
903tex said:
While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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The same reason we need 4k Tv's and 2k screen on smartphones. To keep making them money lol! Exactly why say your not going to follow the trend but all your other phones are right in the trend? Lol but HTC could have tried a little harder for the m8 speaking of the camera of course. The phone is rock solid but don't have these commercials making fun of these mp trends and being different when your other devices join right in with today's trends.
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Some of my favorite shots have come from the camera on my M8. In terms of higher quality, I'm actually looking at the Sony G Lens, since it is supposed to take really nice shots, and is $200 at my local best buy.
Some people such as my self want a phone with camera and some prefer cameras that can be used as a phone.
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You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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If I want to use my pics for something worthwhile, I use my Canon EOS.. otherwise I use a crappy phone camera.
lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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reviews for the one mini 2 have started surfacing. in ideal conditions it is resolving a lot more detail, by a huge margin. but anything other than ideal and the m8 takes it.
i think the 2.0 pixel size is great and all, but i think we couldve benefited a lot for 1.8 sized pixels and an extra megapixel. that configuration shouldn't lead to a large camera hump.
i'm happy with what i got either way, i do miss the old OIS from my old m7. but whatever, the m8 has proven to be a capable shooter. and my nx300 is always on stand by in case i need a real camera
Any advice on rooting the Mini 2. I receive it tomorrow from carphone warehouse (379sterling.) Has the original Mini gained from official CM11 support thus far?
Any insight on how to root my forthcoming mini 2 and gaining cwm and porting roms would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone know what phone o could potentially port from for the Mini 2.
How difficult to root and install a custom cwm recovery?
Hello community!
I have just bought the new HTC One Mini 2, it is locked with EE network. It looks like I am unable to get the unlock code anywhere. Do you have any suggestion or advice?
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
So what if it has a camera with higher MPs. That doesn't make it a better phone than m8. Unless HTC comes up with a device having the same internals as the m8 but a better camera resolution, I don't see what is there to fuss about.
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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Any camera will have issues if there are areas in the frame which are very bright, or spotty lighting (mix of bright and darker spots). Or does it seem worse with the phone? Often forcing the focus to a different spot by tapping the screen helps a lot.
Can camera performance be improved with software tweaks or is it just that Redmi Note 3 uses uses bad hardware/sensor?
I suspect that the problem is related to the sensor/hardware
In poor light conditions the camera is bull****, but in good light is pretty good, idk why because the sensor is f/2.0
Yeah, I'm pretty sure, it's a hardware thingy. Numbers aren't meant anymore. You can see, the camera is 16MP with f/2.0, but it's quality says otherwise.
I compared photos taken with RN3 with Mi4i's, having f/2.0 sensor as well. The photos taken with Mi4i were crisp & clear and with RN3, were noisy & grainy. I guess, Xiaomi didn't use a good sensor to cut down the price.
I wonder if it is upscaling some phones are really like 8 MP but use software interpoling to upscale, so I guess you could try taking a picture at 8 or 13 MP and see if there is any difference - just an idea, I will test when I get some time.
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I wonder if it is upscaling some phones are really like 8 MP but use software interpoling to upscale, so I guess you could try taking a picture at 8 or 13 MP and see if there is any difference - just an idea, I will test when I get some time.
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I don't think this is happening. It's not a matter of lack of resolution, it's more to do with sensor quality. Xiaomi wouldn't lie about their cameras.
Guys the pixel size from the kenzo is one of the smallest on the market. In good light the pictures are pretty good. But in more dark areas the pictures are really bad, thats because of the pixel size. Its hardware limited and there aren't many software improvements. So live with it or buy another phone
Can use hardware camera from other device and patch kernel and drivers?
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Guys the pixel size from the kenzo is one of the smallest on the market. In good light the pictures are pretty good. But in more dark areas the pictures are really bad, thats because of the pixel size. Its hardware limited and there aren't many software improvements. So live with it or buy another phone
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I have no complaints, the pictures look similar to my Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 , perhaps because of the samsung brand cmos ..ok actually I'm not sure what sensor is in the samsung tablet,
I did notice my samsung tablet has way better closeup zoom capabilities though, where the kenzo will start to blur at same range - not a huge deal unless you need to take pictures of flowers or bugs ...etc, perhaps it has a macro mode I missed, haven't had too much time to mess around with the camera - I'll get to it eventually
(Camera)Damn that's saddening.But maybe the little software improvements can give some changes you know...
Everyone should post a sample picture from their device using the stock camera app(don't forget to turn off geo-tagging), to see if the output is similar across multiple rn3p maybe some have better/worse sensors?
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the LG G6 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
This camera is amazing. Sometimes the LG camera gets the white point a little off. For example, if you're in a restaurant with a lot of red lamps, it may read as a warmer setting. This is something that can be adjusted manually (and easily fixed in an image editor)
I feel like some of the details are "smoothed" out, but I don't know if that has to do with the camera as much as the app. It's not necessarily bad. If you take micro shots, it's more noticeable, this smoothing effect. It may be a setting in the camera... if you want crisp shots, it's certainly feasible. For example, I was taking up close shots of the fabric of the clothes I am wearing. However, sometimes it is hard to get the camera app to focus on the right thing. It's worse the closer you are to the subject. However it can definitely focus up-close with the non-wide angle camera, though I think a bit less than my Samsung S5 used to be able to do. If you need textures for graphic design work, it's definitely feasible though.
Camera does do some heavy post processing. You can tell when you zoom in.
First Picture is using Stock Camera Auto Mode
2nd Picture is using OpenCamera Camera2 API Auto Mode
3rd Picture is using RAW OpenCamera Camera2 API Auto Mode
I think the wide angle is garbage for landscape shots. Click on photo and zoom in a bit you'll install see what I'm talking about. I love wide angle for closer you shots though. 2nd photo of fire is really just to show why u love the manual settings.
Does anyone use any other camera application to unlock the full potential of this camera? coming from the Galaxy s6 edge, I really liked their camera application and was easy to access the more advanced settings (iso, exposure, ect...) this camera allows that but it makes it very difficult and is overly complicated when those settings are finally available.
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Does anyone use any other camera application to unlock the full potential of this camera? coming from the Galaxy s6 edge, I really liked their camera application and was easy to access the more advanced settings (iso, exposure, ect...) this camera allows that but it makes it very difficult and is overly complicated when those settings are finally available.
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Using a camera app other than LG's own stock camera app will most likely result in poorer quality images. LG specifically optimizes their app to take advantage of the phone's hardware to the fullest potential.
Thus why if you ever flash a non-stock-based ROM, you will find that your camera is just not as good as before.
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Does anyone use any other camera application to unlock the full potential of this camera? coming from the Galaxy s6 edge, I really liked their camera application and was easy to access the more advanced settings (iso, exposure, ect...) this camera allows that but it makes it very difficult and is overly complicated when those settings are finally available.
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The manual option gets easier when you figure out how to use it.. You'll be able to get some great pics with it.
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Someone should do some guide with best settings.
There's some guides on YouTube for the V20.. It's the exact same concept
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Thanks, i will check it, its my first LG after years with Samsung.
this one is pretty in-depth..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ82z1E92NU&t=2s
Yeah... other then the stock App. for Camera results in lower quality photos like when i use the Z-Camera App. which is great for Editing but other then that use stock
I really like the camera, feels like an upgrade from G5, but too bad there's no 13mp 16-9 mode
Why is nobody here talking about the front camera? The rear camera has a horrible oversharpening effect and the front camera is plain trash (normal & wide both). What I further do not understand is why the 13MP mode doesn't have a 16:9 or 18:9 ratio. Clicking pictures in 4:3 on this already narrower display is a mediocre experience. With the G6 camera being ported to the G4 already, I do not find a single advantage having the G6 over G4 for still photography (both manual & auto). Why are people being irrational and praising a sub-par camera setup on the G6?
I just got my Indian G6 (64GB & Quad-DAC). I am coming from an LG G4 (H818N) and I haven't been impressed by the cameras. The display on the G6 is better, the design & ergonomics are better, the build quality is exceptional too. But if you have used a G4 or an S7e or an iPhone 7, you will not like the cameras on this one.
For anyone reading this who is out to buy a new device, if you prefer a good smartphone camera you will be let down. Go for a Pixel or S7e or S8/S8+ for better camera performance.
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Why is nobody here talking about the front camera? The rear camera has a horrible oversharpening effect and the front camera is plain trash (normal & wide both). What I further do not understand is why the 13MP mode doesn't have a 16:9 or 18:9 ratio. Clicking pictures in 4:3 on this already narrower display is a mediocre experience. With the G6 camera being ported to the G4 already, I do not find a single advantage having the G6 over G4 for still photography (both manual & auto). Why are people being irrational and praising a sub-par camera setup on the G6?
I just got my Indian G6 (64GB & Quad-DAC). I am coming from an LG G4 (H818N) and I haven't been impressed by the cameras. The display on the G6 is better, the design & ergonomics are better, the build quality is exceptional too. But if you have used a G4 or an S7e or an iPhone 7, you will not like the cameras on this one.
For anyone reading this who is out to buy a new device, if you prefer a good smartphone camera you will be let down. Go for a Pixel or S7e or S8/S8+ for better camera performance.
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I have a Xiaomi Mi5 too. What I did notice for sure is that the Mi5's front camera is way better that the one on the G6. Also, the back one seems better on low light conditions. The one on the G6 seems to "lag" in stand-by mode. On the G6 : the main camera is having exposure and saturation issues, the wide angle one has oversharpening issues. I don't know what everyone are praising about... I sure hope they will fix some issues with the next updates.
I kinda feel sorry I didn't chose the S7 Edge.
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I have a Xiaomi Mi5 too. What I did notice for sure is that the Mi5's front camera is way better that the one on the G6. Also, the back one seems better on low light conditions. The one on the G6 seems to "lag" in stand-by mode. On the G6 : the main camera is having exposure and saturation issues, the wide angle one has oversharpening issues. I don't know what everyone are praising about... I sure hope they will fix some issues with the next updates.
I kinda feel sorry I didn't chose the S7 Edge.
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You are still talking about a recently launched device. The G6 front camera is worse than my good old G2 and S4. I have a Oneplus 3 in my house whose front camera is way better than this S#! T on G6. How I wish we had return policies here in India. Very disappointed. I am done with LG atleast for this life time! ?
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I really like the camera, feels like an upgrade from G5, but too bad there's no 13mp 16-9 mode
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Yeah, the full resolution isn't cropped like the 16:9 one.. You can open it in an app and do the cropping yourself.
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Hmm. I'm getting a little confused. I was considering buying the Huawei p10, because I want to use my mobile more, for taking pictures. Then the LG G6 is on a discount, making the G6 almost as cheap as a Huawei p10. And some reviewers says that the G6 camera is better than the P10 also in low light.
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Hmm. I'm getting a little confused. I was considering buying the Huawei p10, because I want to use my mobile more, for taking pictures. Then the LG G6 is on a discount, making the G6 almost as cheap as a Huawei p10. And some reviewers says that the G6 camera is better than the P10 also in low light.
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If you do not care about the front camera, the G6 is probably the best phone for you. But if you do care about the selfies and also want exceptional quality stills, I'd suggest going with the Pixel or Pixel XL.
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I would like to know how to get the best low light pictures using manual settings.
I'm comparing it to my old HTC 10 and the quality is night and day. It's blurry/fuzzy, the colors are washed out. It reminds me of the quality of my old cheap webcam from 10 years ago.
Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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Because you didn't turn off all the skin toning and skin lighting junk that's on by default. I was able to shoot selfies with more detail than any model would ever want to see on themselves so I know it isn't the camera's fault.
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No, everything is disabled. It's terrible quality.
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It's terrible quality.
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My testing and photos say otherwise. Like I said, way more detail in the selfies I've taken than most people who sit for me would ever want to see in a photo. It's not the camera.
Hey, coming from a Nexus 6 ... this is a major improvement.
Okay let's settle this, 5 mp camera is not the best out there, especially compared to iPhone 8's new front facing camera or even Samsung's I guess, although I can only tell based on what I see on internet, as I don't own them. Makes me wonder why it's so hard to create a perfect phone? I mean you did almost everything perfectly right, put a damn 8 mp camera with ois or whatever and hit a home run, why did they choose this front facing camera is beyond my understanding
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Because the reality is that in order to actually see a doubling of resolution, you actually have to quadruple the megapixel count. So to see twice the detail of a 5mp sensor, you would have to use a 20mp sensor. 20mp at selfie cam size would be insane. The cameras that are using 16mp selfie cameras (such as the HTC U11) are actually using the main shooter from the V30. But to squeeze that extra sensor in with OIS would require more room and produce more heat which would cause issues with amp glow on your other sensors. Digital imaging can be a real P.I.T.A. even with dedicated cameras. Cellphone cameras are a miracle that they even produce anything worthwhile. And that's usually due to being conservative in your approach to what hardware you use.
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Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
emmanuelw said:
Thanks! I already learned something interesting today Is that the reason why the Nokia 8 and the HTC U11 have larger bezels as well in order to have enough room to tackle these technical challenges?
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Yes, bezels really only exist to hide hardware that they haven't figured out how to downsize or place elsewhere. To get tiny bezels, you have to use tiny camera, earpiece, and proximity sensor hardware or just get rid of them. OIS units make things much bigger as you have to put a ring of motors around the object you're stabilizing. Earpieces/speakers take up a lot of space. I'm guessing Google used the headphone jack space to add more battery and the second speaker, with the second speaker adding more bezel. Proximity sensor is probably the smallest thing in the bezels. Display drivers used to be a big contributor (Moto 360 flat tire was a display driver if I remember right) but with the modern OLED panels they just, er, tuck 'em.
Not passing judgement on the quality of the selfie cam, but I notice that as with the main camera, it too has a "wide angle" setting.
But with only the single camera, necessarily this means that the non-wide setting is digitally zoomed, plus I'd bet there's heavy software correction going on to get rid of all of the wide angle distortion. Perhaps that's asking too much from a 5 MP sensor?
However, I rarely take selfies, and when I do, I'm often trying to squeeze in the other people that are with me, or some scene in the background, so maybe I'll find the native wider angle appealing? Hard to tell in-store with all the florescent lighting.
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Agreed, turned all that off too and it still looks like crap.
Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Maybe find something better looking to shoot? The camera does really well.
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Lol wow dude is talking about a selfie this guy says find something better to shoot lmao.
I've never taken an awful photo with the front facing V30 camera. I really don't understand how anyone thinks it's awful.
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From my experience, it only does poorly in low light, that is, compared to 2017 flagships. I don't think it's nearly as bad a many claim it is.
If you look at a lot of of comparisons with the between the likes of the note 8, iphone x and pixel 2, it holds up really well. The biggest difference is really between the pixel 2 and pretty much every other flagship front facer, it has by far the best front facing cam on the market by a good margin imo. The v30 front cam can look really good, is just dosen't produce quite as much detail as the others, and maybe lacks in dynamic range a bit.
If you turn on flash in low light, you see better results. It’s not real flash obviously but I’ve been impressed when it gets it right.
maybe youre ugly lol jk
So i have Mi 10 for like 2 months and so far i am so disappointed from it. Mainly from camera which is not as good as i expected (in my opinion Mi 9 which i had before had much better camera and overall results from all 3 sensors) miui 12 is terrible and only good thing i can see on my Mi 10 is battery, 90Hz amoled display and maybe sound. I drop Mi 9 beacuse of super good offer on Mi 10 and i thougth it will be great but its not. Couple days ago i bought for my girlfriend POCO X3 and when i see what that phone can do for fraction of price of my Mi 10. I mean display is not amoled but panel is look so good and 120Hz si awesone, battery life is exellent and camera in my opinion is almost the same as Mi 10 wich for the price of POCO X3 its just hilarious. So i am thinking last couple days to drop Mi 10 and get POCO X3 because its just much better value.. I am crazy?!
No, you not crazy. Im also very disappointed from Mi10.
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No, you not crazy. Im also very disappointed from Mi10.
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Well, i am happy to not be alone.
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Well, i am happy to not be alone.
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How i wrote a down on Foto section, the camera setup is trash.The 108mp main camera cant take normal fotos, cos its washing out the background, from 5 meters too. And its ****, if i want, that everything is sharp on the foto. 13mp wide is also bad. 2mp macro ist a joke. Sreen is ok, processor is ok. Im want back my Mi8. It was a super phone. Good Fotos, good size. Fast enough.
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How i wrote a down on Foto section, the camera setup is trash.The 108mp main camera cant take normal fotos, cos its washing out the background, from 5 meters too. And its ****, if i want, that everything is sharp on the foto. 13mp wide is also bad. 2mp macro ist a joke. Sreen is ok, processor is ok. Im want back my Mi8. It was a super phone. Good Fotos, good size. Fast enough.
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Yes exactly!!! Camera is the most disappointment. Sometimes it nail the photo but 80% of time photo looks bad.
Here is good example. I had Mi 9 before Mi 10, photos are super sharp thanks to laser AF and good sensor. Mi 10 just focus on middle a rest of image is just bad.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11aFfzYzMcBx2JxDHWeTvAxGavrHWR-bc?usp=sharing
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Yes exactly!!! Camera is the most disappointment. Sometimes it nail the photo but 80% of time photo looks bad.
Here is good example. I had Mi 9 before Mi 10, photos are super sharp thanks to laser AF and good sensor. Mi 10 just focus on middle a rest of image is just bad.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11aFfzYzMcBx2JxDHWeTvAxGavrHWR-bc?usp=sharing
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The Problem is the big hype around bokeh. Now this is the trend. And when the Mi10 have a normal main camera and extra the portrait for bokeh , than i dont care about wide, cos with Gcam i can make from 9 foto very good wide. My opinion is, that 2 good camrea is enough. But now phone manufacturer racing, that who can put more camera tje backside of the phone. I hope, that trend will changes amd coming normalisation in this theme.
krepsz said:
The Problem is the big hype around bokeh. Now this is the trend. And when the Mi10 have a normal main camera and extra the portrait for bokeh , than i dont care about wide, cos with Gcam i can make from 9 foto very good wide. My opinion is, that 2 good camrea is enough. But now phone manufacturer racing, that who can put more camera tje backside of the phone. I hope, that trend will changes amd coming normalisation in this theme.
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Can u share what gcam u using and possible xml file? i tried so many of them and i cant find right one.
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Can u share what gcam u using and possible xml file? i tried so many of them and i cant find right one.
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I dont using xml. config, just the pure Parrot43 v5.
Incat said:
I could probably list a dozen things that I think the mi10 does better then the x3, but at the end of the day it's you that has to use the phone, so if you prefer the latter then what does it matter what anyone else thinks or says.?
If you think Miui 12 is terrible though, what are you going to use on the x3.?
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Well good point i guess. I am just pissed off about those cameras...
The camera works quite well when using Gcam 7.3.018 Urnyx05
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i only now want android 11. it takes a long time
You guys are on crack if you think Mi 10 is not good. Like photography part of phone I never comment because I would pay serious money for phone with no cam, or some whatever cam, just give me performance and battery. And this phone does those 2 better than most phones. I don't understand how can you put Poco X3 in same category with Mi 10. Yeah 120 Hz make it feel like Mi 10 but under the hood Mi 10 is beast on it's own and this OLED screen is too notch even tho is 1080p, I compared it head to head with OnePlus 8 Pro and minor differences could be seen.
The camera is excellent, stop saying nonsense and don't be so ignorant
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You guys are on crack if you think Mi 10 is not good. Like photography part of phone I never comment because I would pay serious money for phone with no cam, or some whatever cam, just give me performance and battery. And this phone does those 2 better than most phones. I don't understand how can you put Poco X3 in same category with Mi 10. Yeah 120 Hz make it feel like Mi 10 but under the hood Mi 10 is beast on it's own and this OLED screen is too notch even tho is 1080p, I compared it head to head with OnePlus 8 Pro and minor differences could be seen.
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The phone hardware is amazing, what sucks is MIUI! It feels like someone made a custom rom full of bugs and lags, it doesn't feel like a stock rom at all. I had oneplus previously and their OOS is way way better!
albannotosska said:
The phone hardware is amazing, what sucks is MIUI! It feels like someone made a custom rom full of bugs and lags, it doesn't feel like a stock rom at all. I had oneplus previously and their OOS is way way better!
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MIUI is custom ROM, I am kinda ancient when it comes to XDA and I remember how MIUI started and we all old heads were hyped to see company take over community work and put it into their phones out of box. Now OnePlus latest updates made their phones lookalike Samsung UI, so what you had on your OnePlus is history. And on almost any phone if you like stock android experience so you can tweak and tinker it AOSP ROM was the way or som custom ROM. So the charm of Android phones is all you need to like is hardware and you make your own looks and feels out of vast majority of ROM. I know some phone lack of even Root support or Bootloader is locked forever. But I kinda cringe when I see people on XDA complaining about looks of Phone and it's software when they can tweak it and being on XDA implies you want to tinker. Just have common sense people, don't be lazy and complain.
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The camera is excellent, stop saying nonsense and don't be so ignorant
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No this camera is far from excelent, really far.
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MIUI is custom ROM, I am kinda ancient when it comes to XDA and I remember how MIUI started and we all old heads were hyped to see company take over community work and put it into their phones out of box. Now OnePlus latest updates made their phones lookalike Samsung UI, so what you had on your OnePlus is history. And on almost any phone if you like stock android experience so you can tweak and tinker it AOSP ROM was the way or som custom ROM. So the charm of Android phones is all you need to like is hardware and you make your own looks and feels out of vast majority of ROM. I know some phone lack of even Root support or Bootloader is locked forever. But I kinda cringe when I see people on XDA complaining about looks of Phone and it's software when they can tweak it and being on XDA implies you want to tinker. Just have common sense people, don't be lazy and complain.
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Not my point at all! I said MIUI doesn't feel like the original rom the phone came with, which means: it has alot of problems, alot of lags, animation stuttering and so on! The hardware might be good but the software totally kills the experience for me. As for tryingcustom roms, I am currently on a custom rom, but those still have some issues. Also when I buy a phone I expect it to work all good out of the box: hardware and software. And for xiaomi this is the first premium flagship I have tried that the hardware feels like a flagship but the phone feels like my old redmi note 5(last non flagship device I had)
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Yes exactly!!! Camera is the most disappointment. Sometimes it nail the photo but 80% of time photo looks bad.
Here is good example. I had Mi 9 before Mi 10, photos are super sharp thanks to laser AF and good sensor. Mi 10 just focus on middle a rest of image is just bad.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11aFfzYzMcBx2JxDHWeTvAxGavrHWR-bc?usp=sharing
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i'm with the others who think the mi10 camera is pretty good. what you said about "focus on middle and rest of image is just bad", well that's bokeh. REAL OPTICAL BOKEH, not processed/faked ones: something that's not possible with smaller sensors on phones typically, and approaching what you can get with much larger dedicated cameras. It's not a fault, but an achievement, IMHO.
What might have also impressed you the wrong way is probably the characteristic cold tones of the Samsung sensors compared to the much warmer (lab tested pleasing) tones of the Sony sensors. Though Samsung sensors would typically appear sharper overall even with comparable resolution, never mind between mi9 and 10. Sharpness and resolution should be hands down in mi 10's favor. Getting GCam should help a lot with dynamic range issues in difficult lighting (you seem to have unfavorable/difficult lightings for both of the Mi10 samples compared to the mi9, which were both shot with much better lighting conditions).
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i'm with the others who think the mi10 camera is pretty good. what you said about "focus on middle and rest of image is just bad", well that's bokeh. REAL OPTICAL BOKEH, not processed/faked ones: something that's not possible with smaller sensors on phones typically, and approaching what you can get with much larger dedicated cameras. It's not a fault, but an achievement, IMHO.
What might have also impressed you the wrong way is probably the characteristic cold tones of the Samsung sensors compared to the much warmer (lab tested pleasing) tones of the Sony sensors. Though Samsung sensors would typically appear sharper overall even with comparable resolution, never mind between mi9 and 10. Sharpness and resolution should be hands down in mi 10's favor. Getting GCam should help a lot with dynamic range issues in difficult lighting (you seem to have unfavorable/difficult lightings for both of the Mi10 samples compared to the mi9, which were both shot with much better lighting conditions).
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Trust me, its not real bokeh. I have couple cameras at home and real optical bokeh looks really different then what Mi 10 does to images.
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Trust me, its not real bokeh. I have couple cameras at home and real optical bokeh looks really different then what Mi 10 does to images.
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This!!!! IT is no way near a real bokeh, it is the worst bokeh I have ever seen!
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i'm with the others who think the mi10 camera is pretty good. what you said about "focus on middle and rest of image is just bad", well that's bokeh. REAL OPTICAL BOKEH, not processed/faked ones: something that's not possible with smaller sensors on phones typically, and approaching what you can get with much larger dedicated cameras. It's not a fault, but an achievement, IMHO.
What might have also impressed you the wrong way is probably the characteristic cold tones of the Samsung sensors compared to the much warmer (lab tested pleasing) tones of the Sony sensors. Though Samsung sensors would typically appear sharper overall even with comparable resolution, never mind between mi9 and 10. Sharpness and resolution should be hands down in mi 10's favor. Getting GCam should help a lot with dynamic range issues in difficult lighting (you seem to have unfavorable/difficult lightings for both of the Mi10 samples compared to the mi9, which were both shot with much better lighting conditions).
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Cameras suck man, suck big time. My old pixel 2 has a way wayy better camera(which is a 3year old device). And even though I use gcam, sometimes that is not stable, and whats the point of a 700$ phone if alot of stuff is not stable and keeps lagging?
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i'm with the others who think the mi10 camera is pretty good. what you said about "focus on middle and rest of image is just bad", well that's bokeh. REAL OPTICAL BOKEH, not processed/faked ones: something that's not possible with smaller sensors on phones typically, and approaching what you can get with much larger dedicated cameras. It's not a fault, but an achievement, IMHO.
What might have also impressed you the wrong way is probably the characteristic cold tones of the Samsung sensors compared to the much warmer (lab tested pleasing) tones of the Sony sensors. Though Samsung sensors would typically appear sharper overall even with comparable resolution, never mind between mi9 and 10. Sharpness and resolution should be hands down in mi 10's favor. Getting GCam should help a lot with dynamic range issues in difficult lighting (you seem to have unfavorable/difficult lightings for both of the Mi10 samples compared to the mi9, which were both shot with much better lighting conditions).
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Well for that real optical bokeh.. Here is link for two shots. Same conditions, no filtr, just point focus and shoot. iPhone XS vs Mi 10.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=122xjPkdP4Y54M4Cg5ziLhHkTYP5_8nv4
iPhone did much better job with bokeh then Mi 10 did.