Hey all,
I've been a lurker for a while, been looking for a way to encourage the now Google-owned Motorola Mobility to unlock their bootloaders much like HTC has wisely done, but it's becoming more and more obvious to me that they don't care about the "minority" of us that actually feels as though we are entitled to full admin rights on our phones that we either paid a ton of cash for, or signed a lengthy contract to obtain. Verizon is the one blocking it? HTC found a way, and so can Motorola Mobility...that is cop-out.
My proposal is that there be an effort to unlocked the bootloader, I am not some expert programmer, and I am open to whatever will help the cause. I know there was a bounty on it, but to me this isn't about money, I'll donate time, money, information ripped from my phone if it, in some way, contributes to unlocked that bootloader. Even if you need my unused CPU cycles to calculate things, I don't care, just tell me what I can to do help, because I am sick of not being able to use my phone to it's fully potential.
Maybe I am being naive, but I believe if we all worked together we could accomplish this goal. If you agree, please, let's organize and figure this out!
-Joshua
I love optimism
I'm down with the movement...
This phone does have mad potential to be so limited compared to other phones.
I just can't believe that we are running an unofficial, incomplete version of CM7 and it runs smoother than stock Blur.
Is that telling you something about Motorola?
Do you guys think Google will make that decision for Motorola or will Moto stay the same?
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Worth a try...
Re: Google changing Moto policy
I don't know so much about Google changing Motorola's stance on the locked bootloader, we've tried petitioning the company themselves, but have we tried petitioning Google? Or maybe it's too soon, maybe they are working on it right now? Hard to tell, and I don't want to put pressure on Google too soon especially if they are trying diligently right now to do the right thing.
But the above poster is right, cracking it ourselves is definitely worth a try. I have contacts (unfortunately know inside Motorola), I know people with lots of knowledge on encryption, I'll be honest one of my friends does have a knack for the impossible, but this would be too much for one lone person. I also have a few computers in the house, to donate computing power. None above 5 GB of RAM unfortunately, but my friend with all of that know-how does also have a synchronous 20/mbit up/down connection to the net, if that helps, and I have another friend that is the linux admin at a an unnamed private university in Durham that might could lend a hand in some way.
We have the resources, we just need to pool them.
Someone with the realistic technical know-how, just tell us where to begin, and the shortest path to getting to our goal and we'll do all we can to contribute!
Thanks for understanding and not just writing this off as a pipe-dream...because I know if we work together we can accomplish almost anything.
-Joshua
spyda256 said:
I don't know so much about Google changing Motorola's stance on the locked bootloader, we've tried petitioning the company themselves, but have we tried petitioning Google? Or maybe it's too soon, maybe they are working on it right now? Hard to tell, and I don't want to put pressure on Google too soon especially if they are trying diligently right now to do the right thing.
But the above poster is right, cracking it ourselves is definitely worth a try. I have contacts (unfortunately know inside Motorola), I know people with lots of knowledge on encryption, I'll be honest one of my friends does have a knack for the impossible, but this would be too much for one lone person. I also have a few computers in the house, to donate computing power. None above 5 GB of RAM unfortunately, but my friend with all of that know-how does also have a synchronous 20/mbit up/down connection to the net, if that helps, and I have another friend that is the linux admin at a an unnamed private university in Durham that might could lend a hand in some way.
We have the resources, we just need to pool them.
Someone with the realistic technical know-how, just tell us where to begin, and the shortest path to getting to our goal and we'll do all we can to contribute!
Thanks for understanding and not just writing this off as a pipe-dream...because I know if we work together we can accomplish almost anything.
-Joshua
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i love your optimism i have some old pms that may help with the effort
SHA-1 brute force can be cracked for around $2 of Amazon cloud computing service.
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/r...for-2-10-with-amazons-cloud-service-20101122/
Isn't boot loader use SHA-1 encryption?
(of course, the key may be much longer, but it may not be impossible for cheap. I say try to pool together like $100 and try Amazon cloud computing a try?)
Re: Amazon
hpark21:
I like the way you're thinking, does anyone else think this might be a good call? I know there was a bounty of around ~$800 somewhere, so I doubt if all of us who rightfully were promised and unlocked bootloader wouldn't mind pooling a bit of money for the computing power, hell I myself would give $50 to the effort if we knew it was a viable solution.
Other thoughts?
Also, ztotherad, if you could send me those PMs maybe we can sift through those and see if there are some other avenues, nothing is off the table at this point.
thanks again for coming together on this, that is the true meaning of community.
spyda256 said:
hpark21:
I like the way you're thinking, does anyone else think this might be a good call? I know there was a bounty of around ~$800 somewhere, so I doubt if all of us who rightfully were promised and unlocked bootloader wouldn't mind pooling a bit of money for the computing power, hell I myself would give $50 to the effort if we knew it was a viable solution.
Other thoughts?
Also, ztotherad, if you could send me those PMs maybe we can sift through those and see if there are some other avenues, nothing is off the table at this point.
thanks again for coming together on this, that is the true meaning of community.
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i can def send you them, idk how much help theyll be
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
Stuckinabox said:
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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In one of the many threads concerning bootloader unlocks, I believe the chances of us finding it were determined to be 1mill:1. It would take us over a decade to manually come up with the key. I don't want to kill confidence, but I'd like to keep things relatively rational.
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Stuckinabox said:
Uh, I think it's already been established that brute forcing it is impossible.
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it's been established that brute forcing is nearly impossible, not completely impossible
it is something that would take an insane amount of resources to accomplish , and/or time ,
it would really come down to "how lucky are we?" really, as in::: how lucky are we that we stumble across or know a genius that can crack it, stumble across needed files, etc...
good luck to all who try, I wish I could do anything to get us there, but I don't know the first thing when it comes to this stuff, don't give up the dream!
Basically, what it comes down to is:
Find out what their hash key is. (encrypted password)
Then, try to go through all valid characters and see whether the input matches the output hash.
If one is lucky and they used short enough password, then it will be quick to find.
If unlucky and they used really long password, then the answer is that we won't be able to find it in REASONABLE time. (I would say 1-2 months to be reasonable - at $2/hr, it would cost $48/ day).
Only issue is when do we stop?
hpark21 said:
Basically, what it comes down to is:
Find out what their hash key is. (encrypted password)
Then, try to go through all valid characters and see whether the input matches the output hash.
If one is lucky and they used short enough password, then it will be quick to find.
If unlucky and they used really long password, then the answer is that we won't be able to find it in REASONABLE time. (I would say 1-2 months to be reasonable - at $2/hr, it would cost $48/ day).
Only issue is when do we stop?
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There was some kind of crazy algorithm applied to each character to generate the correct item for each number of the key, correct? We would have to come up with that too?
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THANK YOU! Finally ... a revived movement. I pledged $100 on another thread and I'm good for putting it toward an unlocked bootloader again!
To learn from one of the most influential groups of our generation ... anonymous utilizes botnets to pool computing resources ... if we get a tool that could function similarly, could we not pool 1000s of computers together to crack it faster? It would make what is not feasible for a small set of computers to do... feasible. If all most users have to do is download a tool that gives us access to processing power and bandwidth ... users will download the hell out of it.
Count me in.
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Hope
I understand doubters, and odds are likely against us, but that's ok, no one person can do it, and maybe not just one method, but somehow we WILL get to our goal. Whether Motorola capitulates or we find a method to crack it, we will not have this awesome hardware go to waste.
I am not generally a "black hat" kind of person, but in this case we are in the right so far as I am concerned (please don't quote DMCA BS to me, lol) because they made a promise to their customers, and it will be kept, whether they like it or not.
So, I am with the above poster that mention he didn't know quite where to start, or where we have already made progress, but if someone can help us out, explain the process, we figure out how to move forward. (Please forgive the run-on sentence).
I've minimal experience programming, only VB.net, C++, and a bit of Java from college, and I do tier 2 desktop support for a bank these days, but on my off time I'd love to spend it on something worthwhile, all of you deserve this, and we'll make it happen.
Maybe it's the troubleshooter in me that sees the problem and says "oh no, there's a way, we just need to find it". I have a colleague, the one I spoke of before, he has a knack for doing incredible things, so once we have a breakdown of what we need to do, perhaps he can be of help.
So my friends, where do we go from here?
spyda256 said:
I understand doubters, and odds are likely against us, but that's ok, no one person can do it, and maybe not just one method, but somehow we WILL get to our goal. Whether Motorola capitulates or we find a method to crack it, we will not have this awesome hardware go to waste.
I am not generally a "black hat" kind of person, but in this case we are in the right so far as I am concerned (please don't quote DMCA BS to me, lol) because they made a promise to their customers, and it will be kept, whether they like it or not.
So, I am with the above poster that mention he didn't know quite where to start, or where we have already made progress, but if someone can help us out, explain the process, we figure out how to move forward. (Please forgive the run-on sentence).
I've minimal experience programming, only VB.net, C++, and a bit of Java from college, and I do tier 2 desktop support for a bank these days, but on my off time I'd love to spend it on something worthwhile, all of you deserve this, and we'll make it happen.
Maybe it's the troubleshooter in me that sees the problem and says "oh no, there's a way, we just need to find it". I have a colleague, the one I spoke of before, he has a knack for doing incredible things, so once we have a breakdown of what we need to do, perhaps he can be of help.
So my friends, where do we go from here?
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sir, did you get my pms?
Re: PMs
Nope, just saw them, thanks for that!
Alright gotta keep this brief. I'm new here. I took a high school class in game and website development last year (Ya my resume beats anyone's here[extreme sarcasm])… pretty much forgot all I learned.
Now I'm sitting here with my phone...and the program AIDE, and downloading every single android game to date is a drag.
So...I want to make some games.
3 questions.
Am I in way over my head here?
Even with drop box, am I going to need a computer? (Because I don't have one)
If I'm not one of a billion idiots who makes a crap app for 99 cents no one will ever buy...where do I start?
Thanks in advance and sorry if this post is not in the correct forum.
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Hello New Guy!
I hope you know how to program in Java (I'm guessing you do, since you said you took a class).
You'd be more productive if you use a computer. Sure you can program using AIDE but what about making the images and the music? It might be possible to even do that on your phone to an extent, but if you really want to make something that is great and polished you'd be able to do it better on a computer. It need not be a beast of a machine. Any old machine would be better than doing it on your phone.
If you really want to look like you aren't a part of the group of the "billion idiots who makes a crap app for 99 cents no one will ever buy", start by getting an actual machine where you can seriously sit and work.
Learn OpenGL ES. Or learn to use a game engine for Android.
Then come up with ideas for a game. Then narrow down to the idea you think holds the most potential. Make a prototype. Try it out and make others try it to see if it is actually any fun. If yes, then work on it and complete it. If no, then switch to another idea.
Thank you very much for your clear clean and concise answer. Seriously. Probably the most useful answer I've gotten for any question in a while. I'd like your post but honestly I do not know how.
Would it really be so bad if pirates crashed all the world's economies leading to modern civilization's imminent doom?
Oh! You don't have to, but, there is a thanks button which is equivalent to liking my answer
I don't really know much about your next question I don't really think that pirates are capable of such a thing...
I'm infinitely sorry if there is a helpful thread that speaks to this, but I cannot seem to find anything of note.
I have an HDX 7" 13.3.2.4_user_3240022120. I have root with Towelroot. I can't seem to find substantive information on disabling OTAs rooted with towelroot. I hear Towelroot disables OTAs. I hear Towelroot does not disable OTAs. There seems to be conflicting info on this subject. Could someone direct me to a thread that answers this question. The internet as a whole and GOOGLE are not really helping either. Maybe I'm just goofy
If it can't be answered somewhere in these forums, I am pretty sure it can't be answered anywhere.
Any guidance appreciated.
Thanks
wow
sqweetel said:
I'm infinitely sorry if there is a helpful thread that speaks to this, but I cannot seem to find anything of note.
I have an HDX 7" 13.3.2.4_user_3240022120. I have root with Towelroot. I can't seem to find substantive information on disabling OTAs rooted with towelroot. I hear Towelroot disables OTAs. I hear Towelroot does not disable OTAs. There seems to be conflicting info on this subject. Could someone direct me to a thread that answers this question. The internet as a whole and GOOGLE are not really helping either. Maybe I'm just goofy
If it can't be answered somewhere in these forums, I am pretty sure it can't be answered anywhere.
Any guidance appreciated.
Thanks
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It's pretty much pick it up and start reading like the thread just below yours on this page was first thread before you started this one. All your information is messed up and it's obvious to me that you didn't even attempt to look here . My advice is to not modify anything into you read this whole forum or near. Everything you ever needed to know about this device is here somewhere already for you to find .http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2553797 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786190 and this was on first page of general http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/prevent-updates-hdx-8-9-t2824145
Thank you for your help.
jimyv said:
It's pretty much pick it up and start reading like the thread just below yours on this page was first thread before you started this one. All your information is messed up and it's obvious to me that you didn't even attempt to look here . My advice is to not modify anything into you read this whole forum or near. Everything you ever needed to know about this device is here somewhere already for you to find .http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2553797 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786190 and this was on first page of general http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/prevent-updates-hdx-8-9-t2824145
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Thanks so much. I'm embarrassed. I should have located the info myself. It most definitely is a teachable moment. I am truly heartsick. Your effort in helping me, has claimed precious time you can never get back; time you could have been spending with your family. After writing this thank you note, I will face north and summarily flog myself, with coaxial cable, while rubbing a mixture of salt and isopropyl alcohol, into my wounds. I think we can all agree, the condescension and chastising was appropriate for the crime. It's certainly a powerful teaching tool. I'll be adopting this valuable method, for the sake of my students, at NYU. I realize the world would be a much better place without noobs. We certainly should not be allowed to reproduce. It just weakens the gene pool. Our pesky survival instinct keeps us from an innate and fruitless desire, to be better; to grow as a human being.
A quick thought. Just because something is "obvious" to an individual, it does not necessarily make said observation true.
I appreciate your effort on my behalf. Volunteering to be a surrogate for the missing parts of my brain, is noble. I am painfully aware that you were not required to step in. I know it was an empathetic choice. A decision made out of pity. Your are a good person. Someone, others, should try to emulate. I hope the forthcoming jpgs of my self mutilation will somewhat supplant your annoyance. My wish for you; the memory of this incident will fade quickly. No one likes a terrible recollection lingering in the subconscious, leaving a bad taste on the brain. I only wish that I could do more to show my appreciation. Pressing the "THANKS" button seems little consolation.
Kidding aside, you helped me solve a nagging issue. I am un-sarcastically grateful.
Peace
Wow
sqweetel said:
Thanks so much. I'm embarrassed. I should have located the info myself. It most definitely is a teachable moment. I am truly heartsick. Your effort in helping me, has claimed precious time you can never get back; time you could have been spending with your family. After writing this thank you note, I will face north and summarily flog myself, with coaxial cable, while rubbing a mixture of salt and isopropyl alcohol, into my wounds. I think we can all agree, the condescension and chastising was appropriate for the crime. It's certainly a powerful teaching tool. I'll be adopting this valuable method, for the sake of my students, at NYU. I realize the world would be a much better place without noobs. We certainly should not be allowed to reproduce. It just weakens the gene pool. Our pesky survival instinct keeps us from an innate and fruitless desire, to be better; to grow as a human being.
A quick thought. Just because something is "obvious" to an individual, it does not necessarily make said observation true.
I appreciate your effort on my behalf. Volunteering to be a surrogate for the missing parts of my brain, is noble. I am painfully aware that you were not required to step in. I know it was an empathetic choice. A decision made out of pity. Your are a good person. Someone, others, should try to emulate. I hope the forthcoming jpgs of my self mutilation will somewhat supplant your annoyance. My wish for you; the memory of this incident will fade quickly. No one likes a terrible recollection lingering in the subconscious, leaving a bad taste on the brain. I only wish that I could do more to show my appreciation. Pressing the "THANKS" button seems little consolation.
Kidding aside, you helped me solve a nagging issue. I am un-sarcastically grateful.
Peace
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Thank you that was truly fantastic you made my day honestly .. I haven't gotten that much enjoyment reading something in here in weeks. After I pick myself up off the floor. I will try not to be such an ass.. Sorry .Enjoy your device truly, Peace
Glad it made you laugh.
jimyv said:
Thank you that was truly fantastic you made my day honestly .. I haven't gotten that much enjoyment reading something in here in weeks. After I pick myself up off the floor. I will try not to be such an ass.. Sorry .Enjoy your device truly, Peace
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No harm intended. Glad you took it in the spirit, it was intended. Pictures forthcoming. Thread closed :laugh:
Suffer thee, the fools, the helpless, and the redundant.
jimyv said:
It's pretty much pick it up and start reading like the thread just below yours on this page was first thread before you started this one. All your information is messed up and it's obvious to me that you didn't even attempt to look here . My advice is to not modify anything into you read this whole forum or near. Everything you ever needed to know about this device is here somewhere already for you to find .http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2553797 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786190 and this was on first page of general http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire-hdx/general/prevent-updates-hdx-8-9-t2824145
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GSLEON3 had posted a video about whiny people asking for help, whilst not even answering simple questions, to help solve their problem, for them. Here
I solved my OTA issue BTW. THANKS.
The video reminded me of a transcript taken from a tech support phone call at Word Perfect (not even sure WP exists anymore) The story is pretty old, and depending on your age, you may or may not have heard it. Although, I have had my moments of terminal cluelessness (as was the case on these forums recently), I am 30 years tech savvy (UNIX, LINUX, IRIX, Mac, PC, Networks, High-end CG), and can certainly feel the pain SENIOR users feel, The endless annoyances can make you lose faith in the continuation of humanity. I agree, it is frustrating to help someone, with no initiative to learn. When I help someone with a problem, I sometimes feel as though, I have entered the TWILIGHT ZONE. "They could not have possibly meant to ask that question, not out loud, at any rate. I have obviously misheard their question. These are people, that will be responsible for saving the lives of their patients." It's at about that point, my hair get's numb, and rather than have a major "brain event", I hallucinate, and see them as fish, flopping around on dry land. Anyhoo...
This is hysterical. Word Perfect
Well, this is an attempt to possibly access more information. I may have read somewhere that stated in so many words, a little participation, or, even just an introduction, may get you a long way here on XDA. Now, whether or not there's any truth to this, isn't really of any importance. What's of importance, is how unimportant one may consider what someone else views as important. Setting that aside for a moment, what about the the truth that's actually quite commonly found leaving the liars mouth? I'll give examples in a moment but before I do, ask yourself if one were to actually tell the truth but believing it to be a lie, would what was said be considered by you, to be honest? I mean it is the truth, just delivered with dishonest intent, right? I am a newb, on an iphone 6+...iOS 11.2.5 just until I can put together the $100 deductible for the MOTO Z I dropped. I haven't been very active in these past years being with Verizon, but I wasn't very active before i made the switch. I was a DROID X2 bricker and I will always be. Just recently found a junkyard of old phones, that I or friends bricked, or dropped without insurance, cracked screen, no battery, etc.
What I am and have been working on, with no success is an On5 SM-G550T (A.R. MMB29K.G550TUVU2AQC4 samsung/on5ltetmo/on51tetmo) updated to 6.0.1/MMB29K/G550TUVU2AQC4
FRP and can't enable debugging with anything I have found thus far...I have used the enabler but may be flashing the wrong files as I have come across plenty G550TUVU1?????? but nothing found for G550TUVU2??????? I'm sure my recovery (TWRP) file is correct but until I can enable USB it's really not doing me any good. Any chance of someone(anyone that made it this far is respected!) possibly shootin me instructions or even just pointing me in the right direction. I have attempted flashing with odin and even OTG with other suggested files. Objective is to bypass frp by enabling debugging and flashing stock 5.0 firm so I may then install twrp and depending on my mood and position of the moon, maybe a super user and some ROM tryouts. You guys are awesome, even if you decide not to help. Developers, my thanks only goes so far and so do the rest of these words, so Ill be about it soon and wont talk about it now. But seriously, hat's off and I appreciate the countless hours, painful blinks and most importantly, the late arrivals and drop offs associated with such sacrifice. Thank you!!!