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I'm not looking for a time frame or anything since I know those are hard to make, but I'm just wondering if anyone has a good idea on whether or not it is looking strong for the Atrix to get the bootloader bypassed(or whatever is needed for custom ROMs).
I'm asking because my contract ends next week and I'm looking to get a new phone and I'm liking the Atrix a lot since it has a dual core processor and everything, but the lack of custom ROMs is making me think again about getting it and pushing me towards looking for other phones.
I know there is currently work being done on it, but does anyone think it's highly probable that the boot loader will get cracked and allow us to install custom ROMs? Or is the result still sketchy and should I keep looking at other phones to get instead?
Honestly, the Atrix is a beast of a phone anyway. And an Android phone without a custom ROM is still the best phone on the market, especially if it's got a dual core bad boy under the hood.
On one hand, many previous Motorola phones with locked bootloaders remain locked and unbypassed to this day...HOWEVER, some have been bypassed or something similar. And considering the nature of this phone being one of Moto's flagship devices, there might be incentive to possibly unlock it themselves (doubtful, however...)
Honestly, I don't really think anyone can for certain what might happen. But if your contract up in a week, developments could happen in that time frame. There's a small chance GingerBread might come sooner than expected, which, locked bootloader or not, that'd be awesome. The sad thing is, it doesn't seem there are many more nice ATT phones on the horizon anyway, even with open bootloaders. Most of the good ones would probably be out by your next upgrade anyway!
I know I didn't have any solid answers, but I hope it helps in your decision making process! Sorry if it got you no where though!
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Honestly, the Atrix is a beast of a phone anyway. And an Android phone without a custom ROM is still the best phone on the market, especially if it's got a dual core bad boy under the hood.
On one hand, many previous Motorola phones with locked bootloaders remain locked and unbypassed to this day...HOWEVER, some have been bypassed or something similar. And considering the nature of this phone being one of Moto's flagship devices, there might be incentive to possibly unlock it themselves (doubtful, however...)
Honestly, I don't really think anyone can for certain what might happen. But if your contract up in a week, developments could happen in that time frame. There's a small chance GingerBread might come sooner than expected, which, locked bootloader or not, that'd be awesome. The sad thing is, it doesn't seem there are many more nice ATT phones on the horizon anyway, even with open bootloaders. Most of the good ones would probably be out by your next upgrade anyway!
I know I didn't have any solid answers, but I hope it helps in your decision making process! Sorry if it got you no where though!
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Thanks for your input! I'm currently trying to decide between the Atrix and the Infuse 4G. I would definitely get the Galaxy S 2 if that came out in time, but I'm impatient and just can't wait any longer than I have to, so I have to pick something that's already out.
I really want the Atrix because of it's dual core, but it's locked bootloader scares me. On the other hand I really want the Infuse because it doesn't have a locked bootloader and seems like it's the next best phone, but it only has a single core processor.
What exactly would I be missing out on if I can't use any locked bootloaders? All I know about them really is that they are supposed to make phones faster as well as give you Android upgrades faster than officially. Is there anything else?
I'm pretty sure 2.3 is supposed to be coming out to the Atrix officially anyways, so I'm not TOO worried about that, but would the roms that are already available that do things like remove Motoblur and whatnot increase it's speed enough to make up for the loss of increased speed from ROMs?
The atrix is like the PS3 when it first came out. Way ahead of its time in terms of technology and power. Ive stated this before somewhere on this forum, but IMO this beast of a phone is ahead of itself, The current operating system doesn't even fully harness the power under the hood. I'm excited to see how far this phone can be pushed! Unlocked bootloader or not. Ya its fun to play with roms and all and tweak the phone, but even then those phones still look up to the atrix.
You can still Dress up user interface just not the interface itself. Which is most cases, most users of roms, flash them primarily for the look and feel of interaction with the device. Don't get me wrong, a lot of users flash these roms because of the android version and the upgrades it brings with it before the official release for their phone if at all. In the end I believe the atrix will be sticking around for a while and continue to make techy geeks like me genuinely say wow this thing is bad a**.
You don't have to worry about speed with the atrix. Its fast already. Ya stock motoblur is garbage, but thanks to some awesome DEVs we have Pseudo-Roms that make the atrix Fluid as well as fast. The main Gripe about this phone is the fact that it doesn't have GingerBread yet. I think the wait will be well worth it in the end.
I do not currently have a solution, just posting my question/idea (that i'm sure someone thought of already but just in case).
Has anyone looked into trying to disable whatever it is that's causing our temp root to stop working after 5 minutes.
I disabled some of the automatic system services that start up, and was able to with the temp root method. Using apps such as "Autostarts (paid)" and "Gemini App Manager" I disabled all the VZW bloat and then some, but still lose root shortly after applying the process. I was wondering if it's possible to find a process (if that's what's causing us to lose root) to disable to allow perm root?
There are a lot of auto-start processes, though I did disable a lot of them, I'm not sure what they all do so I was just guessing. I'm not trying to brick my phone, so if it's not possible to get perm root this way, I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time . If any devs have knowledge or experience with this please feel free to chime in . Thank you.
Not sure about all that, but I was wondering about that whole HTC sponsored root process... whatever happened with that? They promised an official way to root their phones not long back.
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Not sure about all that, but I was wondering about that whole HTC sponsored root process... whatever happened with that? They promised an official way to root their phones not long back.
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They did, but the carrier has the final say. Verizon, wanting to be in control of everything, obviously said no.
I am sure there is a way to game the system and get it working... Internally these phones are basically the same when they use the same SOC.
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I am sure there is a way to game the system and get it working... Internally these phones are basically the same when they use the same SOC.
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True but when htc patches a know exploit, a new one needs to be found. It's takes much skill and time to accomplish that LOL....so
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True... tricking the unlocker to think a phone is a different model is the hard part. Probably best to just hack in anyway.
Wish HTC would be tricky and leave a deliberate backdoor for us with a wink followed by inattentive gaze. Wishful thinking I know...
Of course for security reasons said door would need to be made so that physical access to the device and a computer would be required. Thats the hard bit right there.
As it stands I will probably be picking one of these up on the Amazon penny sale. Unless I choose to go sprint and then get the Galaxy S 2... (more of a fan of HTC devices though so who knows) Dropping t-mobile possibly... unless they give me a darn good reason not to.
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True... tricking the unlocker to think a phone is a different model is the hard part. Probably best to just hack in anyway.
Wish HTC would be tricky and leave a deliberate backdoor for us with a wink followed by inattentive gaze. Wishful thinking I know...
Of course for security reasons said door would need to be made so that physical access to the device and a computer would be required. Thats the hard bit right there.
As it stands I will probably be picking one of these up on the Amazon penny sale. Unless I choose to go sprint and then get the Galaxy S 2... (more of a fan of HTC devices though so who knows) Dropping t-mobile possibly... unless they give me a darn good reason not to.
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Haha, I've often wondered that too. If HTC really is trying to be DEV friendly, but they have to pander to Verizon as well, why keep patching the holes? Why not just leave a hidden backdoor that's not too easy to find, but that a skilled DEV would know where to look?
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Haha, I've often wondered that too. If HTC really is trying to be DEV friendly, but they have to pander to Verizon as well, why keep patching the holes? Why not just leave a hidden backdoor that's not too easy to find, but that a skilled DEV would know where to look?
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
There is always a way in, look how many people have bootlegged version of everything.
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
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I highly doubt Verizon would have any clue about anything to do with where the code is placed to "patch" a bootloader. Their degree of any form of coding expertise when it comes to these things seems minimal at best.
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
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While this is probably true, I also think that if Verizon can sue HTC for making their bottloaders easy to unlock, I should be allowed to sue Verizon for loading my phone up with bloatware and crap apps that I don't need or want and can't remove...
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While this is probably true, I also think that if Verizon can sue HTC for making their bottloaders easy to unlock, I should be allowed to sue Verizon for loading my phone up with bloatware and crap apps that I don't need or want and can't remove...
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I wonder if there's potential for a class action suit for stuff like this. Perhaps if some of the software could be shown to compromise phone security or privacy?
I just hope someone comes up with something soon. An unrooted phone is so worthless I feel. Can't wait to get rid of the bloat ware and customize the phone the way I truly want it.
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Practice patience. It simply takes time and the phone has only been out for a week.
But they already unlocked the Galaxy Nexus...... Lol
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Go get one.haha
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Doubt it'll work anyway, but it was worth a shot. If you have a second to sign it, and feel it may be worth it in any way. I just want what everyone else has on their Note 2, and feel I shouldn't have to root my phone just to get some stock features. Ridiculous.
Or you could enable unknown sources and download the .apk and install it that way.
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SPlanner Widget missing is probably a bug. It is on the phone but broken.
Blocking Mode doesn't seem to work with CDMA, which is probably why its blocked by CSC.
APN editing is blocked via CSC but could be unlocked by Verizon if someone didn't want to root.
The wifi thing isn't a missing feature, but its definitely an annoyance.
What else are you referring to?
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SPlanner Widget missing is probably a bug. It is on the phone but broken.
Blocking Mode doesn't seem to work with CDMA, which is probably why its blocked by CSC.
APN editing is blocked via CSC but could be unlocked by Verizon if someone didn't want to root.
The wifi thing isn't a missing feature, but its definitely an annoyance.
What else are you referring to?
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Is Blocking Mode available and functioning on the Sprint version? I haven't looked on their forums at all since I got the phone.
I don't know.
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Then on what basis are you making the claim of it being a CDMA issue? I just made a thread in the Sprint forums asking users to report their experience with Blocking Mode, or if they even have the ability to use it stock out of the box. We'll see if it really is a CDMA issue or not.
This thread is a bomb ready to explode.
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This thread is a bomb ready to explode.
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Yes it is.
DaRkL3AD3R said:
Then on what basis are you making the claim of it being a CDMA issue? I just made a thread in the Sprint forums asking users to report their experience with Blocking Mode, or if they even have the ability to use it stock out of the box. We'll see if it really is a CDMA issue or not.
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It is a theory? Ever heard of them? It doesnt work for vzw jb gs3 users either from what I read..
I probably should have said Verizon's network instead of just cdma. I always forget about Sprint.
It seems to be network related because the software is mostly the same between variants.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35860956#post35860956
Well there goes that.
So either Verizon's network has problems or they're being jerks and purposely butchered it so it wouldn't work.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=35860956#post35860956
Well there goes that.
So either Verizon's network has problems or they're being jerks and purposely butchered it so it wouldn't work.
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Yeah I dunno.
Leaning towards network still myself.
Been working on it for a while.
There is a second blocking mode as well that doesn't entirely work either.
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Doubt it'll work anyway, but it was worth a shot. If you have a second to sign it, and feel it may be worth it in any way. I just want what everyone else has on their Note 2, and feel I shouldn't have to root my phone just to get some stock features. Ridiculous.
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I see you're complaining but you didn't state the reason why you are petitioning for. Can you be more specific?
Petition
I'm going to attempt to try and post a link, the best I can. I just want the features that should be included on the phone, without rooting it. I do plan on rooting the phone, however as the workaround for the bootloader has only just been accomplished recently, and a lot of the stylus features have yet to be worked into most of the ROMs, that I've seen anyway, I'm holding off until something special perks my interest.
In general, I'm just against Verizon butchering the phone, and needlessly at that. I'm not bashing rooting, or saying I don't want to, I'm simply saying I don't want to root the phone to gain access to stock features that should've been included with the phone in the first place. Its just a little backwards from my view.
change.org /petitions/verizon-wireless-give-us-back-the-functionality-we-deserve-on-our-note-2
Yeah that petition is going nowhere.
Heck, TMobile just got Multiwindow in an OTA last week. They didn't even have the function on stock.
Meh.
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I'm going to attempt to try and post a link, the best I can. I just want the features that should be included on the phone, without rooting it. I do plan on rooting the phone, however as the workaround for the bootloader has only just been accomplished recently, and a lot of the stylus features have yet to be worked into most of the ROMs, that I've seen anyway, I'm holding off until something special perks my interest.
In general, I'm just against Verizon butchering the phone, and needlessly at that. I'm not bashing rooting, or saying I don't want to, I'm simply saying I don't want to root the phone to gain access to stock features that should've been included with the phone in the first place. Its just a little backwards from my view.
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You could always change carriers. I don't see verizon changing their ways but there are other choices if it bothers you enough to start a petition.
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Who are we ask for features from Companies?
Only thing we can do is, give feedback. Companies don't listen to us for their decision. And definately not Petitions.
Its a good thing that you have started the initiative, and even i have participated, but the thing is, it don't work
I would say if you're that upset about Verizon's lack of features either root it and fix it or go to another carrier.
I guarantee Verizon could care less about some silly petition.
Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
I and many others share your frustration!!
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Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
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Knox is next. Google said to be incorporating it in future builds..so yep..not getting any better
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ya and with 4.4 theres this icon of a shield that pops up daily for security updates i dont want them dont want anything else
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what we need is a way to erase everything off the phone bootloader included and start fresh
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ya and with 4.4 theres this icon of a shield that pops up daily for security updates i dont want them dont want anything else
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what we need is a way to erase everything off the phone bootloader included and start fresh
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That's not good enough. Sure for devices like the Note 2 it would allow a locked phone to become unlocked at any time. But what about devices that never got unlocked like the Note 3 and other future devices? This doesn't resolve their situations.
Also, yes I agree with you OP. I refuse to "upgrade" from this phone to anything else any time soon considering the way these phones are turning into locked up garbage. I'm so grateful for all the work modders and hackers managed to do with this device which allows me to run something as amazing as Cyanogenmod 11 right now. I saw what the stock 4.3+ ROM's look like, yuck. Imagining being stuck with that "forever" is like a nightmare only I'm awake.
Anyways there really is no better alternative to Android at the moment or foreseeable future. If you want a smartphone with even a hint of customizability then Android's your only option.
You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
Agreed for many of the UI changes. But I understand. They have to appeal to Ma and Pa Kettle.
Hopefully at some point they will embrace custom ROMs with a special model like Linkysy did with their L model. But I'm guessing not.
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You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
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Well said! This is why I'm leaving smasung and will be researching a diff phone for my next purchase/upgrade. LG G3 or HTC...not sure yet...
WhiteEVO said:
Well said! This is why I'm leaving smasung and will be researching a diff phone for my next purchase/upgrade. LG G3 or HTC...not sure yet...
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I went to the HTC M8 and I hated HTC..it is a freaking fast phone!!! Unlocking and rooting was super easy! Won't have to worry about Knox until they upgrade it to L.
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I went to the HTC M8 and I hated HTC..it is a freaking fast phone!!! Unlocking and rooting was super easy! Won't have to worry about Knox until they upgrade it to L.
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Loved the look of that phone and I am not a HTC fan, but that phone looked good.. Contract is not up until next year and I think a move to a different carrier and phone manufacturer is in my future.. Just not sure what yet
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Loved the look of that phone and I am not a HTC fan, but that phone looked good.. Contract is not up until next year and I think a move to a different carrier and phone manufacturer is in my future.. Just not sure what yet
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I always liked the sense interface compared to TW, I've got till Jan, then I'm making a change. keep us posted on your choice L18, would love to run your ROMs!
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Little by little, Android is becoming iOS. Starting to get very annoyed with the limitations in recent updates. First we get permalocked if we accepted 4.3 OTA update. Now I found out in 4.4, Google has prevented write access to external storage?! And there's no way around it without root? SIGH. Not not only can I not root my phone, but I can't even write to my SD card without plugging it into my PC? What's next, take away our widgets and ability to change launcher/interface? What happened to the old philosophy of Android? It's OUR devices and we should be able to do what we damn well please with them.
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A fix is in the works.
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You are not seeing the big picture. If you want phones that you can hack away at and are not secure there are plenty out there. Verizon and AT&T teaming up with Samsung have gone after large military and commercial contracts with these phones. Therefore they have made efforts to make them as secure as possible. You can thank all the hackers in the world pulling email and banking information off your phones for that. And you probably can throw in thanks for the locked bootloader to all those that returned their bricked phones under warranty.
As I said, you have choices, Nexus, HTC, developer's editions....etc. You just need to do a little research before buying.
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None of the alternatives have the S-pen or any analogous stylus, which I regard as essential.
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None of the alternatives have the S-pen or any analogous stylus, which I regard as essential.
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Then perhaps a carrier that does not lock bootloader like Sprint or T-Mobile?
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Then perhaps a carrier that does not lock bootloader like Sprint or T-Mobile?
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Assuming I lived and traveled exclusively in areas where one of those carriers had a decent signal, that could be a good approach. Unfortunately that's not the case.
Hello friends, i use smartphones for a long time now and i love this forum. I remember the first ROM i downloaded from here, it was for the HTC Charmer and it is many years ago. I had beautiful and useful ROMs for my Galaxy S2, S3, S4 but now i got a Galaxy Alpha and i am a little bit disappointed because there is only one ROM for it - why? Is there no interest? Is the phone too new? Is it so difficult to modify the code?
Thanks in advance
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Well you don't seem so with small replies like that.
Seriously tho, this phone isn't available in the US besides AT&T and it's seriously locked down. Not selling a phone in the US isn't the end all be all but it really does cut out a pretty big owner base and on top of having a secure boot loader there's no reason to buy it to dev on. It sucks because it's a pretty good phone for people who don't want a phablet.
I'm toooo
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Probably didnt sell well.
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Well you don't seem so with small replies like that.
Seriously tho, this phone isn't available in the US besides AT&T and it's seriously locked down. Not selling a phone in the US isn't the end all be all but it really does cut out a pretty big owner base and on top of having a secure boot loader there's no reason to buy it to dev on. It sucks because it's a pretty good phone for people who don't want a phablet.
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Ok thank you, now i understand, didn't knew that. Well so i maybe should have taken an S5 instead but the Alpha looks so good...
the other reason , there are barely love for small device anymore in most Asian country.
bigger = better ?
maybe another reason is that 5.0 is coming soon
This is still a very new device and is targeted at a 'top end' user base.
Whilst the US carrier-exclusive deal will not be helping and the small form factor of the phone will put a lot of people off, it is still a superb device and custom ROMs will come in time I feel sure, but will never be on the scale of the amount available for mass-market handsets like the S4 or S5.