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I would like to buy an Xperia S, but before that, I have some few questions.
1. Sony launched many smartphones this year with relatively the same concept and specifications. Xperia acro S, acro HD, ion, GX, NX, T, V - what's really the difference? Are these devices better than Xperia S?
2. Is the camera good or not as good as you expected?
3. The battery life. Is it really that bad?
4. The weight and size. Does it feel good in your hand or while speaking? Or is it very uncomfortable?
5. How is it after a few months of ownership? Are you satisfied? Do you want to sell it and buy a HTC/Samung device instead?
6. Choosing Xperia S for the nexus-like updates in the future is the right decission?
Please leave some fair replies. Thanks!
Geeve said:
I would like to buy an Xperia S, but before that, I have some few questions.
1. Sony launched many smartphones this year with realively the same concept and specifications. Xperia acro S, acro HD, ion, GX, NX, T, V - what's really the difference? Are these devices better than Xperia S?
2. Is the camera good or not as good as you expected?
3. The battery life. Is it really that bad?
4. The weight and size. Does it feel good in your hand or while speaking? Or is it very uncomfortable?
5. How is it after a few months of ownership? Are you satisfied? Do you want to sell it and buy a HTC/Samung device instead?
6. Choosing Xperia S for the nexus-like updates in the future is the right decission?
Please leave some fair replies. Thanks!
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1. The T/TX/V are the new series, those have MSM8960 and stuff, so it should be faster. acro S, acro HD, Ion are all based on the same board as the XPS, it's the specific features and/or regions (Japan) that differ.
2. Better than most of the competition, still not as good in low light.
3. Absolutely not. A day of battery life is normal.
4. I like it. But I also hate anything that's above 4.3" hardware keys and above 4.8" navbar.
5. I can't say I'm absolutely satisfied, but I like it.
6. Nexus-like updates (directly from Google) will never happen. However, Sony is involved in AOSP closer than most other vendors, and that might lead to speedier updates in the future. For now they still fail to deliver timely updates as they have a ****ton of devices.
I say you should wait for the next Nexus. If the rumor is true, and there are multiple Nexii this year, one of them is very likely to be produced by Sony (and most likely based on the same 'blue' board as the T/TX/V series). Then you'll see the price and decide. The S is a nice smartphone in its own right, but a Sony MSM8960 based Nexus is a whole different story.
I love my S but there are a few things that aint so great such as the home, back and menu buttons that aren't really buttons, the fact that sony will take forever to roll out a 4.1 update and that the camera doesn't take 12mp photos in fullscreen (only 4:3 mode) also theres no expansion slots for a micro sd card.
But other than that i think the phone is amazing, the size isn't really an issue for me as Ive got big hands and anyway you need it to be pretty big for that lovely 720p screen.
what convinced me to get one was the great UI that sony always do a good job of and 'Playstation Certified' but that was a bit of a dissapointment as theres only 14 or so ps1 titles for it atm.
Another bonus is i know someone with a U and i love rubbing it in that my phone is much better :victory:
Overall its miles ahead of the X8 i had previosly and the gaming aspect is nothing other than brilliant if you get one make sure to get titles like Dead Trigger, GTA3, max payne and Shadowgun to name a few
Geeve said:
I would like to buy an Xperia S, but before that, I have some few questions.
1. Sony launched many smartphones this year with relatively the same concept and specifications. Xperia acro S, acro HD, ion, GX, NX, T, V - what's really the difference? Are these devices better than Xperia S?
2. Is the camera good or not as good as you expected?
3. The battery life. Is it really that bad?
4. The weight and size. Does it feel good in your hand or while speaking? Or is it very uncomfortable?
5. How is it after a few months of ownership? Are you satisfied? Do you want to sell it and buy a HTC/Samung device instead?
6. Choosing Xperia S for the nexus-like updates in the future is the right decission?
Please leave some fair replies. Thanks!
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1. The newer GX,T,V and such are better phones but pricier and arguably not as good looking. (The Xperia S is a damn good looking phone.)
2. The camera is better than I expected and if you use a third party app or modded camera apk it will look even better.
3. Battery life is fine, dont listen to whiners. It all depends on rom and kernel but on stock it easily makes it through the day.
4. Its a very comfortable phone to use, though i have mine in a case so I can just throw it on the table and not worry about it.
5. I love my phone and would NEVER trade it for a crummy Samsung. I would consider an HTC because I am originally from the HTC camp, but their latest phones havent had everything I wanted and Sense is a joke compared to Sony android implementation.
6. The only phone that will have Nexus-like updates is a Nexus, though the Xperia S was recently added to AOSP which may or may not increase releases. We have working versions of all the major roms though, CM9/10, AOKP, MIUI, so there is something for everyone. We may not have the quantity of Roms but there are enough good ones to choose from, though I do wish we had more developers. Hopefully it will get better.
If you like the look of it and the price is good wherever you are located, then go for it. You will be happy with it overall. Hell I would sell you mine if I thought there was another phone better than my S that I would like but there isnt. I could go for the T, but it really isnt much better and the design is worse in my eyes. I will see if the next nexus is any good.
Hello there,
I need to buy a phone and am getting both Z3C and Z2 at similar prices. ($400).
I know the merits and demerits of both but am still confused. Also I owned a Xperia U (great dev support) but am unable to see any great dev support for both the z3 and Z2. I am a sony lover <3 Should I buy them or look forward to any other device with great dev support (OPO, OPT, G3 etc)
Thank You
If you want really really good dev support then go with the OPO. LG G3 has terrible dev support. ^^ But the SONY XPERIA Z2 or others or solid phones with good support. Only the camera isnt the best if you unlock the device s bootloader. Thats something important. I think in the end the size is the biggest point. Do you want a big or small^^ Smartphone it belongs to you. Sony has got sdcard slot. Also n important point i think. Or you could wait for the Nexus 5 2015, because then you would have the best dev support out here. gl
Hi, both the two choices are good ones, personally i own the Z2 & I can assure you its amazing, but the Z3+ have some amazing under the hood optimizations which are quite a kicker for this years devices, Also, you may have already heard, IFA is just around the corner & Sony will be releasing the new Xperia range, so in my opinion it would be wise to see what new is coming & then make your decision accordingly. Also generally the launch of new devices leads to a price drop in the previous iterations, so hang on a little (till 2nd September) atleast
If you want really really good dev support then go with the OPO. LG G3 has terrible dev support. ^^ But the SONY XPERIA Z2 or others or solid phones with good support. Only the camera isnt the best if you unlock the device s bootloader. Thats something important. I think in the end the size is the biggest point. Do you want a big or small^^ Smartphone it belongs to you. Sony has got sdcard slot. Also n important point i think. Or you could wait for the Nexus 5 2015, because then you would have the best dev support out here. gl
Yes I agree with the fact that z3+ is quite a kicker but its too much over budget :/. I do plan to wait till 15 september and then choose wisely
Lg and Samsung are no go! I dont care about the camera because it will be a upgrade over my moto e anyways. I plan to wait till sep 15. I dont want to go to opo because its not sony
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Surely go for Xperia Z2. It has a good development support in xda. Z3c has 2 gb ram, 720p display and 2600 mah battery. Z2 has 3 gb ram, 1080p display and 3200 mah battery.. They always get almost same featured firmware upgrade.. So why not go for the big and powerful one?
Well both are powerful enough!
Infact Z3C has a better backup than that of Z2. The extra ram is of no use at least today. Z3C is newer but its dev support seems worse than that of Z2.
I am confused lol
I remember you from Xperia U times :cheers:
Z2 all the way. Bigger screen, bigger battery, same software features, more RAM.
I would go for Z2 if you want a bigger screen.
Z3Compact is smaller so much more compact, and its battery life is legendary.
Z2 has a great battery too, but Z3C has beaten all the records in this regard.
Yup that is the thing
Yap.. I also remember you.. @jatinrungta
Camera remains the same if you go back to stock and use DRM restoration.
@alone_in_dark
is it worth the phone today? since i am seeing no dev in z2 at all :/ while opo has a lot of dev support
For custom rom, Niaboc79 is there for Z2... you won't need anyone else.. And for other things.. Cross development section is there..
http://m.gsmarena.com/a_total_of_5_sony_xperia_z6s_expected_a_4inch_mini_among_them-news-15343.php
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http://m.gsmarena.com/a_total_of_5_sony_xperia_z6s_expected_a_4inch_mini_among_them-news-15343.php
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It is good news and lets hope there will be more confirmations coming such as leaked FCC documents.
:yawn:
i'll believe it when i see it.
Agreed, we have a rumoured Ultra every iteration. None has been accurate yet... Fingers crossed though.
Sony isnt as gutsy anymore. Z Ultra was a fail they most likely arent gonna take the risk again
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The market has evolved since 2013. Big screen devices are gaining popularity, especially in Asia and a 6.44 inch display in a slim body would be a much easier sell now than it was back then (the Ultra came to the market when a 5.5 inch Note 2 was the biggest screen) but a couple of competitors are offering devices above 5.7 inches and goes up to 7 inches.
Sony can take three routes for the next Ultra and both would be OK:
1. Introducing a Z6 Ultra with a 6.44 inch display and a decent camera.
2. Introducing a Z6 Tablet Compact with an 8 inch display, slimmer bezels than the Z3 TC and an ear speaker and dialer in the LTE version.
3. Introduce both a Z6 Ultra and a Z6 Tablet Compact.
I think they made the C5 Ultra as a market test and I got the impression that it got a positive reception, which would make it easier to design a Z6 Ultra with a similar edge-to-edge display design, which would make it smaller than the Z Ultra.
The alternative is a Tablet Compact with a similar edge-to-edge display and fully equipped with LTE and a dialer. Such a device would be smaller than the Z3 TC and would be totally OK as a replacement for the Ultra. Using the "Tablet Compact" name is clever since western people seems to be more accepting of tablets with an 8 inch display than a big "smartphone".
To me, the next "Ultra" can be a Z6 Ultra or a Z6 Tablet Compact LTE and I am pretty sure we will get at least one of them. AnTuTu scores give some credibility to a Z6 Ultra, though. The earlier rumors such as Z3X were just renderings without any information presented but this early indication from AnTuTu carries more weight. I don't think they would "fake" benchmarks from a Z6 series of Sony devices since it would be of no use.
Except it's not an Antutu report, it's Antutu saying on social media that "It is reported that..." Gossip at best.
The question is if someone ran an AnTuTu test on a prototype device and shared the results?
I think it is highly probable and logical with a portfolio clean up next year with a Z6 series eliminating all remains of the troubled 2015 (Xperia Z4 which should have been released alongside with the Z4 Tablet, then silent release in Japan followed by Z3+ in Europe quickly followed by the Z5, which isn't a complete series either).
It is reasonable to expect a Z6 Compact, Z6, Z6 Premium or Plus with some question marks regarding a Z6 Ultra, Z6 Tablet Compact and Z6 Tablet. A Z6 TC with smaller bezels than the Z3 TC with dialer on the LTE version (like the existing TC) and an ear speaker (improvement over the existing TC) would do it as an Ultra replacement. Whether Sony decide to develop a Z6 Ultra or rather let a Z6 TC take care of those customers is an open question. I would be very surprised if they leave a gap between the 5.5-5.7 inch segment and have a 10 inch as the next step. Something in between, be it a 6.44 inch Z6 Ultra or a 8 inch Z6 TC is a logical addition to the product line.
The size difference between a Z6 Ultra and a Z6 TC (with smaller bezels than the Z3 TC) is not that big so they could very well merge them into one device but with some more activity on the LTE version (many stores only carried the WiFi only Z3 TC SGP 611 or 612).
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I've not seen that anywhere. And "logical additions" are less so if Sony's position is still that its mobile phone business is in a holding pattern only.
A Z6 Tablet Compact is something I am pretty sure they will introduce since it is hard to see them allow a gap between a 5.5 inch device and a 10 inch tablet. I can understand a reluctance to make a 6.44 inch phablet but a new Tablet Compact could absorb those customers (the Z3 TC wasn't enough of an upgrade to make it worthwhile, especially since the LTE version has 16 GB only). All it takes is an "SGP652" and "SGP653" with 32 and 64 GB internal and LTE radio with a dialer and ear speaker (even if headset only is OK) and it would work as an Ultra replacement, especially with smaller bezels, which would make it just a tad bigger than the Ultra.
Even if they would decide to postpone a Z6 series to later next year I would assume a Z6 Tablet Compact and a Z6 Tablet is being their products for MWC, which would make sense since their earlier tablets were introduced at that time.
One thing is for sure: If they come empty handed to MWC with nothing new to show, i.e. trying to extract more life out of the Z3 TC and Z4 Tablet, it will be game-over quickly. The Z5 can live for a few months but two new tablets are needed.
E90 Commie said:
A Z6 Tablet Compact is something I am pretty sure they will introduce since it is hard to see them allow a gap between a 5.5 inch device and a 10 inch tablet. I can understand a reluctance to make a 6.44 inch phablet but a new Tablet Compact could absorb those customers
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The TCs are just too big for me for an everyday phone. If there's no new ZU and not enough old ones available, I'll probably just have to step down to the best 6in device. But I'll be hoping for a Z6U/Z7U etc.
Possible renaming for z ultra
The z3 tablet compact on the three network in the uk is classed as a tablet not a phablet even though you can call and text but the data is automatically disabled by three uk. I used this device for my primary mobile needs for about 4 month 2014 to q1 2015 until three disabled the data. I would like it if sony renamed the tablet compact to phablet compact or something else, so networks dont put the devices in the same class as full tablets, i also have the phone call conversation from the three customer service and supervisor(manager maybe). When three had disabled my data i had purchased a sony xperia z ultra to get my data back online and for my needs, now my z3 tablet compact is used as a second device for my work needs but as soon as the three uk network changes then i would be using this as my primary device again.
I use my Ultra with a data-only SIM since 2014 when Hangouts Dialer came out since I use Google Voice for all talk and text needs and I usually get a SIM card without any issues with service this or that depending on the device. If I have the service and the SIM is compatible, everything is good to go and if a carrier have another idea and want to interfere, then I would be pretty mad at them.
I have tried the Z3 TC and can carry it in the same pocket as my Ultra with a Power Cover CP12. The main reason I never took the step was the decision of Sony to only use 16 GB in the SGP621, which essentially made it like an Ultra with a bigger screen (3 GB RAM is a benefit but otherwise the same more or less).
To me, going down to a smaller display isn't a workable solution since it make things clumsier, especially browsing and reading gain a lot with more space. Even a 6 inch display is a noticeable degradation for those things. The Ultra is the first device which is big enough to actually replace a tablet for me since the display is big enough without feeling like a big compromise. Going up to an 8 inch isn't my main plan but since the manufacturers actually make tablets that size, it is an option I have investigated as an option provided the market for 6.5-7 inch phablets with high end hardware is heavily restricted even in 2016.
With the Android 6.1 in the works and indications about great things going tablet next year (multi window, redesigned nav bar and so on), I am even more convinced about stepping up to 8 inches if Sony or another maker fail to give us a proper Ultra replacement (which I would convert into tablet DPI to get the new upcoming enhancements).
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
mingkee said:
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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Idk how to read that site
mingkee said:
Can it be...?
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=PY7&pc=-PM0913
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PM0913=Z5 Premium Dual it is a 5.5 inch screen.
RealityFails said:
Idk how to read that site
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It's FCC site shows all supported American bands.
Since it has B12, it's good For T-Mobile
mingkee said:
It's FCC site shows all supported American bands.
Since it has B12, it's good For T-Mobile
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<model>E6883</model>
<marketingname>Xperia™ Z5 Premium Dual (E6883)</marketingname>
<vendor>Sony</vendor>
<brand>Xperia</brand>
<typeID>PM-0913-BV</typeID>
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It seems that the Z5 compact isn't as near successful as the z3, despite being much better too. I come to the XDA daily just to found out that lately the Z5 compact modding community is so low. Is it because of the Size screen or because people still buy the z3 instead?
I don't think we going to be seeing a compact with the X series. What saddens me is that the lack of marketing done for the Z series after the z2 especially in north america.
It's probably because the launch Lollipop firmware sucked monkey balls.
Well it aint THAT much better to begin with but good phones sell it self and its just retarded to see how much a samsung or apple pays a year on ads.
RiTCHiE007 said:
Well it aint THAT much better to begin
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every device of the Z5 line is less popular, also because of the absence of an unlocked version in US market until february and, among the xda community, again the lack of american developers and the bad fame of the Snapdragon 810 / worse battery life.
Moreover, i agree with you, Z5 compact is not Much better than Z3c: it's just better on display, gpu, (cpu), .... but worse with button position, heat, battery life,....
Fortunately we have great european developers and the community is growing.
Z5 /Z5P forums seem more active and you can find some interesting mods that will work also on Z5C
ninestarkoko said:
every device of the Z5 line is less popular, also because of the absence of an unlocked version in US market until february and, among the xda community, again the lack of american developers and the bad fame of the Snapdragon 810 / worse battery life.
Moreover, i agree with you, Z5 compact is not Much better than Z3c: it's just better on display, gpu, (cpu), .... but worse with button position, heat, battery life,....
Fortunately we have great european developers and the community is growing.
Z5 /Z5P forums seem more active and you can find some interesting mods that will work also on Z5C
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Well maybe for specs whores like us but for most them specs dont really matter but the reason the z5 sells less is because sony has a hard time adding new features. Only reason i bought this z5c is because i had hopes the camera would be worth it but with things missing like RAW or good manual controls, it just shows sony and software aint a good combo to start with.
The USA market is owned by samsung and apple so any other brand has a hard time so most put focus on EU or Asia where people just want a good device and dont get missleaded by advertizement.
ninestarkoko said:
every device of the Z5 line is less popular, also because of the absence of an unlocked version in US market until february and, among the xda community, again the lack of american developers and the bad fame of the Snapdragon 810 / worse battery life.
Moreover, i agree with you, Z5 compact is not Much better than Z3c: it's just better on display, gpu, (cpu), .... but worse with button position, heat, battery life,....
Fortunately we have great european developers and the community is growing.
Z5 /Z5P forums seem more active and you can find some interesting mods that will work also on Z5C
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The 810 v2.1 isn't that bad. Its a very powerful and efficient chip. The whole bad rep for it's series (snapdragon) with the 810 has been quite old now. The thing i find is that it runs a little more warm than the z3 but stays much cooler in heavy duties in a long run (z3 would heat then dissipate then heat up again) of course im speaking of the Z3 and not the compact. Yes US market with Sony has been extremely confusing for both parts, it seems that sony did try properly to market out their product in the US however verizon, AT&T and other providers seem to be given sony a hard time to be on the spot light lately, their only critical introduction to the US marketing was for the Xperia T due to James bond edition and the Z2 heavy sell as well. Nevertheless im no expert nor a business strategist but one thing for sure is that the end line family of the Z series sony has done to bring the X series will be a loss from their part. They won't see a growth in revenue with the X series for a while.
Hello,
I bought my Z5 Compact in december 2015 to replace my broken Z3C and I quickly realized numberous flaws that I will list here. But first, I'm gonna talk about the good things.
It's a really well build phone. Nothing to say there, it's nearly perfect and way better than the Z3C which was already pretty good (but way too fragile). The design is beautiful, probably one of the nicest in stores.
The camera autofocus is also very good and the depth of field is nice. It must be a very good sensor.
Some apps are really well done, like the launcher, Music, Gallery or TrackID.
Now let's talk about the bad things.
1) The camera. The app is really slow to launch, it's also slow to take a picture, and it's not everytime the same amount of time. Sometimes it takes 2 seconds, sometimes 5 seconds, you can't trust it.
Most of the pictures are very blurry on the sides and it's just not on par with other flagships. It's also very noisy, incredibly bad for something that's supposed to be as good as the Galaxy S6 camera. Even my Moto E takes better pictures sometimes.
Also, after i take 2-3 pictures it makes the phone lag for a few seconds which is really frustrating when you paid $500 for this thing.
2) The performance. Most of the time it's pretty acceptable, but if I compare it with the Z3C it's just not as smooth and responsive. It's faster, but not as smooth.
There are sometimes little lags, little latencies, it's still OK but not as good and I would say it should be way better if I look at the specs.
Sometimes, usually when I opened snapchat or the camera, it lags like hell to the point where it's unusable. And it happens really often, not even always when the phone is hot so this is not a S810 issue.
3) The Marshmallow update. I really liked what they did with the Marshmallow beta on the Z3C so I was really excited to see what they would do on the Z5C. And I was again disappointed. Yeah, it fixed most of the performance issues, but it's still really not that good, and I hate the way they updated some apps.
Why the hell is the notification bar BLACK in the settings, in messages and in some other apps ? It's not Android 4.3 anymore, they really need to improve their UI.
4) The custom rom support. There is only one custom ROM and it still has a lot of issues, it's by far the worst phone I've ever had for that.
5) The battery life. It's not terrible, but it's really not that good, especially compared to the Z3C I expected way better results.
6) The way Sony handles the Z5 series. Marshmallow came so late, when the Z3 already had an incredibly good "beta" version for like 6 months. And now I learn that the Android N beta is available on the Z3 ?? What the hell, we also paid our phones ! I feel like they are giving up on this phone and they just say "f*ck you" to the stupid people who've had the weird idea to buy that thing.
I asked them on twitter and they said "it's for developpers" with a gif of a woman rolling her eyes. Well this is completely stupid, because first, I could be a dev, and second, it's not for devs at all, it's for people who want to try it and give feedback.
So you have my opinion, after all it's not the worst phone ever, most of it is really good but a lot of thing are bothering me.
I'm buying an iPhone SE next week after six years of Android and 16 Android Phones in these 6 years. So this must actually be pretty bad because I never felt the need to switch to iOS with any of the phones I owned, even the Moto E. It's also my use of a phone that's more adapted to iOS right now, but still this phone is one of the main reasons.
I hope my bad english didn't bother you and I hope this was somehow interesting to read.
Thank you
I agree...
Unfortunately I must agree with your opinion regarding Z5 Compact. Especially the part regarding the camera lags is very true. Also the AF system fails sometimes on the random basis.
On my Z5C I had already the camera broken (after two months of using the phone) and fixed via warranty claim together with the fingerprint sensor which was working when it liked to.
Now I can see that the phone has bent a little bit while carrying it in the pocket and this bending has led to the broken phone frame (in the fingerprint area where the frame has only two thin plastic straps around the sensor). The worst thing is that I can also see some dust inside the lens so it means that the whole body is not sealed any more probably due to that broken frame.
I have also some concerns regarding the Sony's software (Android 5.1.1.):
1) The gallery application is not customisable at all. For example you cannot change the sorting order or exclude / include some folders.
2) No call blacklist for automatic call rejection (this function is built in into my old Samsung S4 Mini)
3) Very limited customization of alarm schedules (automatic alarm offs etc., I can adjust something but not exactly what I want)
4) The calling screen is hard to distinguish from the phone number information screen. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm actually calling somebody or just checking the contact info (there is only one small blinking symbol during the actual calling out).
5) No scheduled SMS option (again, this is present in my old Samsung S4 Mini)
6) Very week LED light (compared to S4 Mini)
7) The analog radio tuner is not sensitive enough for high quality stereo reception (compared to S4 Mini)
8) The built-in e-mail application (Microsfot Exchange client) has problems with displaying e-mails correctly => for example the title has big font and the e-mail body small tiny letters (again compared to S4 Mini e-mail app). It also does not show the contact pictures which are stored on the Microsoft Exchange server (=> pictures are visible in S4 Mini).
Overall I'm quite disappointed with that phone model. Luckily it's my business phone so I didn't have to pay for it.
I bought an iPhone SE and used it for about two weeks. I am back on my Z5C. I got tired of the restrictions in iOS that I take for granted in Android. I will keep the SE as a spare since no one else makes a good small phone.
I don't think you'll find many people here telling you that leaving the z5c is a bad decision lol but the iOS transition if you've never played with it will leave you far more frustrated. Simple tasks are cumbersome and customizability is slim. I have wanted the 5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6s, SE when they were all released but the iOS is a serious flaw. Android is faster in maneuvering through the OS and customizability is limitless so I've been settling for mid range phones for YEARS just to keep a one handed phone. I'd suggest maybe getting a iPod touch to play with to test the iOS waters before making the plunge.
gfarm said:
Unfortunately I must agree with your opinion regarding Z5 Compact. Especially the part regarding the camera lags is very true. Also the AF system fails sometimes on the random basis.
On my Z5C I had already the camera broken (after two months of using the phone) and fixed via warranty claim together with the fingerprint sensor which was working when it liked to.
Now I can see that the phone has bent a little bit while carrying it in the pocket and this bending has led to the broken phone frame (in the fingerprint area where the frame has only two thin plastic straps around the sensor). The worst thing is that I can also see some dust inside the lens so it means that the whole body is not sealed any more probably due to that broken frame.
I have also some concerns regarding the Sony's software (Android 5.1.1.):
1) The gallery application is not customisable at all. For example you cannot change the sorting order or exclude / include some folders.
2) No call blacklist for automatic call rejection (this function is built in into my old Samsung S4 Mini)
3) Very limited customization of alarm schedules (automatic alarm offs etc., I can adjust something but not exactly what I want)
4) The calling screen is hard to distinguish from the phone number information screen. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm actually calling somebody or just checking the contact info (there is only one small blinking symbol during the actual calling out).
5) No scheduled SMS option (again, this is present in my old Samsung S4 Mini)
6) Very week LED light (compared to S4 Mini)
7) The analog radio tuner is not sensitive enough for high quality stereo reception (compared to S4 Mini)
8) The built-in e-mail application (Microsfot Exchange client) has problems with displaying e-mails correctly => for example the title has big font and the e-mail body small tiny letters (again compared to S4 Mini e-mail app). It also does not show the contact pictures which are stored on the Microsoft Exchange server (=> pictures are visible in S4 Mini).
Overall I'm quite disappointed with that phone model. Luckily it's my business phone so I didn't have to pay for it.
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Hm,
can be summed up with:
close to AOSP/stock-Android.
My decision to go with the Z5 was because it's more close to AOSP, well - guess what ?
I also got used to Samsung's "bloat" and customizability - so in certain parts is was a kind of shock to see to limitations of Sony's ROM,
but if you're getting the phone with the attitude of rooting and unlocking the bootloader anyway to install a custom ROM,
it's somewhat different
Not talking about you,
but it's kind of ridiculous:
people are complaining that Samsung's ROM is too bloated, too much features, overloaded,
then when they switch to a device with slim, minimal ROM - then complain, too
Seems like folks don't know what they really want after all
Solution:
Get a device which offers über-bloated ROM but also Option of AOSP,
then wait until the "perfect" ROM is out - or get your hands dirty and modify and optimize the ROM yourself :silly:
This is XDA after all
civicsr2cool said:
I don't think you'll find many people here telling you that leaving the z5c is a bad decision lol but the iOS transition if you've never played with it will leave you far more frustrated. Simple tasks are cumbersome and customizability is slim. I have wanted the 5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6s, SE when they were all released but the iOS is a serious flaw. Android is faster in maneuvering through the OS and customizability is limitless so I've been settling for mid range phones for YEARS just to keep a one handed phone. I'd suggest maybe getting a iPod touch to play with to test the iOS waters before making the plunge.
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Yeah I bought an iPod Touch 6 and used it for one week, now I have the SE and it's a real pleasure to use. I wouldn't have done that a year ago but now my use has changed and I don't really need android anymore. Actually there are really not so much that I miss from Android, it's really better for me (but of course it will depend on how you use your phone).
Otherwise the SE is faster, like REALLY faster, the camera is 100 times better and I prefer the form factor so I'm really happy for now :good:
flolaff said:
Yeah I bought an iPod Touch 6 and used it for one week, now I have the SE and it's a real pleasure to use. I wouldn't have done that a year ago but now my use has changed and I don't really need android anymore. Actually there are really not so much that I miss from Android, it's really better for me (but of course it will depend on how you use your phone).
Otherwise the SE is faster, like REALLY faster, the camera is 100 times better and I prefer the form factor so I'm really happy for now :good:
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That's good news! The amount of accessories available for it are pretty cool. You can even buy iPhone 6 mini conversion housings for it. 4" are a bit too small for me however, 4.3" seems to be the sweet spot I'm always looking for. I'm a heavy root user and change the themes on my phone weekly so I'm not leaving Android anytime soon lol
sorry to disagree with you in certain things... well i have had 5 Xperia Z5 (the regular one) and since i'm into buying and selling Xperia phones, the Z5 compact and the Z5 Premium was the most impressive Sony phones... talking more about the Z5C because the Z5P didn't have for a long time to talk about it much... Z5 compact which i'm owning right now is very smooth and never lagged for me, the camera is great, front and back... the camera shot delay not really as you described it, it not as faster as the big Z5 but it's good! remember it's 2GB while the big is 3GB... most of the time i use the manual mode, and even with the auto... pictures are sharp, so i think you need to have steady hands or tripod.....
to summarize all about Z5C, it's a compact flagship that you won't find it's specs or capabilities in any other Mini from the other competitors....
....i know it's a user preference, but i'd be very honest to you to tell you switching from Z5C to iPhone SE is the dumbest decision i've ever heard about knowing that that iphone SE is a redesigned/redefined iPhone 5 or 5S....
i'm not biasing z5c because as i said, i didn't like the Z5 as much as i love the Z5C in everything, even though the Z5 is a bit more powerful with that extra ram, but the build quality in certain parts of the phone, Z5C has it better.
and i couldn't keep the Z5P because of the high price, so the half of it's price got me a Z5C which is more than fair and convenient for me.
now i have 2 Z5 compacts (im selling one for my friend).... the first i bought for $196 because i need to fix it's micro sd card slot, also with no accessories.. and the other for $276 without accessories but as brand new with no issues, and im keeping for me. also i noticed in Marshmallow both devices has the sound quality improved and more louder compared to 5.1.1 and they both equal in both speakers, with a dB meter test app.
don't be annoyed with my comment, and again it's a user preference but i wanted to share my experience with Z5c... so yours or mine aren't the reference for the Z5C but it could help others to have decisions before buying any phone.
thank you.
Funny why you swapped to iphone but not a other android device that might service your needs. But shame to see that many only know 2 brands of phones.
Nidhal AKA the king said:
sorry to disagree with you in certain things... well i have had 5 Xperia Z5 (the regular one) and since i'm into buying and selling Xperia phones, the Z5 compact and the Z5 Premium was the most impressive Sony phones... talking more about the Z5C because the Z5P didn't have for a long time to talk about it much... Z5 compact which i'm owning right now is very smooth and never lagged for me, the camera is great, front and back... the camera shot delay not really as you described it, it not as faster as the big Z5 but it's good! remember it's 2GB while the big is 3GB... most of the time i use the manual mode, and even with the auto... pictures are sharp, so i think you need to have steady hands or tripod.....
to summarize all about Z5C, it's a compact flagship that you won't find it's specs or capabilities in any other Mini from the other competitors....
....i know it's a user preference, but i'd be very honest to you to tell you switching from Z5C to iPhone SE is the dumbest decision i've ever heard about knowing that that iphone SE is a redesigned/redefined iPhone 5 or 5S....
i'm not biasing z5c because as i said, i didn't like the Z5 as much as i love the Z5C in everything, even though the Z5 is a bit more powerful with that extra ram, but the build quality in certain parts of the phone, Z5C has it better.
and i couldn't keep the Z5P because of the high price, so the half of it's price got me a Z5C which is more than fair and convenient for me.
now i have 2 Z5 compacts (im selling one for my friend).... the first i bought for $196 because i need to fix it's micro sd card slot, also with no accessories.. and the other for $276 without accessories but as brand new with no issues, and im keeping for me. also i noticed in Marshmallow both devices has the sound quality improved and more louder compared to 5.1.1 and they both equal in both speakers, with a dB meter test app.
don't be annoyed with my comment, and again it's a user preference but i wanted to share my experience with Z5c... so yours or mine aren't the reference for the Z5C but it could help others to have decisions before buying any phone.
thank you.
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Well, let's agree to disagree. The Z5C is the best compact android phone (I still think that iPhone SE is better, but i can't forgo the versatility of android.)
What really disappoints me is that the older Z3 gets an Android N Developer Preview. I was like, what the heck! The older phone gets this privilege while the newer Z5 doesn't? It almost feels like Sony betrayed the Z5 users. But this is about the only Con of the Z5 though.
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I've had my Z5c for about a week. My current daily driver is a Moto X 2013. I'm really liking the the Z5c, but I have to admit I'm having trouble letting go of the X - its just a pleasure to hold and use. If Motorola followed Apple's lead with the SE and packed an updated package into the Moto X body, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I'll reserve comment on the Z5c and post in a more appropriate thread once I've spent more time with it. I'm not rooted yet (still on the fence) but once I threw some Nova Prime at it, I began to really enjoy my journey.
@flolaff
I totally agree with you. Add to your list Broken Adaptive Brightness. I'm planning to change the Z5C as soon as there a new Nexus.
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Nidhal AKA the king said:
sorry to disagree with you in certain things... well i have had 5 Xperia Z5 (the regular one) and since i'm into buying and selling Xperia phones, the Z5 compact and the Z5 Premium was the most impressive Sony phones... talking more about the Z5C because the Z5P didn't have for a long time to talk about it much... Z5 compact which i'm owning right now is very smooth and never lagged for me, the camera is great, front and back... the camera shot delay not really as you described it, it not as faster as the big Z5 but it's good! remember it's 2GB while the big is 3GB... most of the time i use the manual mode, and even with the auto... pictures are sharp, so i think you need to have steady hands or tripod.....
to summarize all about Z5C, it's a compact flagship that you won't find it's specs or capabilities in any other Mini from the other competitors....
....i know it's a user preference, but i'd be very honest to you to tell you switching from Z5C to iPhone SE is the dumbest decision i've ever heard about knowing that that iphone SE is a redesigned/redefined iPhone 5 or 5S....
i'm not biasing z5c because as i said, i didn't like the Z5 as much as i love the Z5C in everything, even though the Z5 is a bit more powerful with that extra ram, but the build quality in certain parts of the phone, Z5C has it better.
and i couldn't keep the Z5P because of the high price, so the half of it's price got me a Z5C which is more than fair and convenient for me.
now i have 2 Z5 compacts (im selling one for my friend).... the first i bought for $196 because i need to fix it's micro sd card slot, also with no accessories.. and the other for $276 without accessories but as brand new with no issues, and im keeping for me. also i noticed in Marshmallow both devices has the sound quality improved and more louder compared to 5.1.1 and they both equal in both speakers, with a dB meter test app.
don't be annoyed with my comment, and again it's a user preference but i wanted to share my experience with Z5c... so yours or mine aren't the reference for the Z5C but it could help others to have decisions before buying any phone.
thank you.
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Okay, but I feel like I would've get a way better experience with a Galaxy S6, which just is way better in everything, or even a Nexus 5X or anything. Part of the problem is the S810 which really sucks (Z3c was way smoother), and the other part is the camera. It is "ok" but compared to the S6/S7/G4/G5/5X/6P/6S/SE or any other flagship camera, it sucks, really.
And no, the SE is not "a redesigned iPhone 5". It has the specs of the iPhone 6s with a 4 inch screen, which is exactly what I wanted, and everything about it is way better than the Z5 Compact (except maybe the speaker).
RiTCHiE007 said:
Funny why you swapped to iphone but not a other android device that might service your needs. But shame to see that many only know 2 brands of phones.
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I don't "only know 2 brands of phones". As I said, in the last 6 years I've had phones from HTC, Samsung, OnePlus, Sony, Motorola and even some other brands that I forgot. I just feel like the only options right now for a really complete package are Samsung and Apple (maybe HTC but I don't really trust them anymore), and the S7 is too big for me, so I choosed the iPhone SE. It just seemed like the best option for me and so far I really like it.
Yep, I feel the same like you... Interestingly, I also used to have a z3c with the very good concept android 6.0 beta before a thief robbed it out of my hand... Well, I hoped the z5c would even be better.... But no, unfortunately, it's worse, even though the main hardware is better. The firmware is quite buggy and I absolutely agree that the battery life could be way better....
I am underimpressed with a few things about my Z5 compact, but I'll tell you why I will keep it: lanyard mount.