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Hello XDA!
I was just wondering if you could have any feature, any software, any hardware anything at all on an android tablet, what would it be?
What would your dream tablet offer? 7" format? IPS LCD screen? unlocked hardware? bluetooth tether?
The sky's the limit! be creative
I don't really think this belongs in Chef Central... maybe general or something like that. Its not really to do with ROM development, so it shouldn't really be here.
I'm sure there are plenty of threads like this around too, if you are stuck for where to put it.
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Yeah, this does not belong in this section.
But to humor the guy I would like:
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17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 485M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition ( 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46GHz, 6.4GT/sec QPI, 6 Cores )
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
12GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Three of these: 160GB Intel SATA2 Solid State Disk Drive
6X BD-R Blu-ray Burner/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
TVT-6012, USB ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM HDTV TUNER
Fingerprint reader
and more! :D
codybear said:
Yeah, this does not belong in this section.
But to humor the guy I would like:
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17.3" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Super Glossy Surface (1920 x 1080)
Dual Nvidia GeForce GTX 485M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory
Intel® Core™ i7-990X Processor Extreme Edition ( 12MB L3 Cache, 3.46GHz, 6.4GT/sec QPI, 6 Cores )
IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
12GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz
Three of these: 160GB Intel SATA2 Solid State Disk Drive
6X BD-R Blu-ray Burner/8X DVD±R/2.4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
Bigfoot Networks Killer™ Wireless-N 1102 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module
Internal Bluetooth V2.1 Module
TVT-6012, USB ATSC/NTSC/Clear QAM HDTV TUNER
Fingerprint reader
and more! :D
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In a device 7mm thin that would be one epic tablet
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hahaha, I know rrright.
Well actually those specs are of this laptop I'm looking at.
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hahaha, I know rrright.
Well actually those specs are of this laptop I'm looking at.
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I envy you that is one monster indeed! I've got some Core Duo with Vista, but it does have Bluray
Well it's going to take me a little bit longer before I can buy the base model and start the upgrading process to that beast of a beast that will last me for quite some time (with minor upgrades/repairs here and there).
I currently have a netbook though, and it's a dual core 2.2ghz with 2gb of ram. All I know is I will marry that thing once it's finished. haha
Thanks for the humor
I realized as soon as I posted that it was in the wrong section.
Actually, speaking of chefs, I'm working on a new brand of android tablet that will be coming out later this year, would you be interested in doing any testing/development on it?
7 in capacitive multitouch
tegra 2 or equivilent processor
1 gb RAM
16 gb internal Storeage
hdmi
fullsize usb
slide out qwerty
removable batttery (see the witsech a81)
gps/bluetooth
car dock (for use as gps)
and i want all that for less that $400
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7 in capacitive multitouch
tegra 2 or equivilent processor
1 gb RAM
16 gb internal Storeage
hdmi
fullsize usb
slide out qwerty
removable batttery (see the witsech a81)
gps/bluetooth
car dock (for use as gps)
and i want all that for less that $400
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Interesting...
a full size usb would make it thick(er), what if there was a microUSB that was unlocked so you could use an adapter?
wouldn't you prefer a bluetooth keyboard over a slideout that large? then you could also use it while it's docked in the car.
a removable battery is also an interesting idea too.
For $400 the screen type would suffer I think, low pixel density and not so great color. screen type is one of the more costly components.
What about battery life/weight? they are hand in hand, with the removable battery I guess the battery could be smaller so the unit could weight less.
i would love an all in one package. I don't want to have to carry the bluetooth keyboard. It may be an unreasonable concept.
As long as the color on the screen is decent it doesn't really matter. For me it's much more about the touch portion with this type of device. I want it to have a good, accurate, responsive screen if i'm going to drop that kind of money on it.
To give you an idea of where i am in my tablet phase.
I've already owned a Sylvania SYNET7LP which was full of suck out of the box but with some tweaking became nice little device. One of my biggest issues was typing on it. hence the mention of a slider. if the touchscreen was good enough you could ditch the slider i'm just looking for overall package.
I'm currently in the market for tablet number 2 budget around $250.
the front runner is http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...-capacitive-4GB-512MB-1-0ghz-wholesalers.html
It's missing some of the features i listed but you said "Dream" tablet right?
Limetab said:
a removable battery is also an interesting idea too.
What about battery life/weight? they are hand in hand, with the removable battery I guess the battery could be smaller so the unit could weight less.
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a removable battery also speaks a lot to the life expectancy of the device. removable means replaceable. replaceable means the device was build not to be a disposable device once the battery has been shot.
as for my reasoning for a full size usb it's pure convenience. The Sylvania i have has the damn dongle and it's just one more thing to have to carry and potentially loose.
7" Capactive 2 point Multitouch
800 x 480 resolution
Micro usb for charging
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU 800Mhz or more
256mb RAM
512 -1024 mb ROM
MicroSD slot
Microphone
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
External Speaker of average quality
$150 USD
10" Capactive multipoint Multitouch
1280 x 800 resolution
Micro usb with host mode (so can plug in usb mouse/keybd/external 2.5" HDD)
?Serperate micro usb power jack, so can charge + use microusb at same time
HDMI mini/micro out (720P output)
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU/GPU that is able to decode H264 720P/1080P 4.1 reference frames
512mb RAM (maybe 1024MB)
4GB ROM
MicroSD slot (hot swapable if possible)
Microphone
Front facing 1MP camera
Rear facing 3MP camera (Capable of 720P 30fps video)
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
?Replaceable battery
External Speaker of reasonable quality
$300 USD
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/gadget-talk/127527-dreamphone.html
i made that originally for a dream phone... but considering that smartphones and tablets are "merging" on the same hardware spectrum... i might as well throw that out to anyone who wanted to look... and its NOT specific to WM or Android even so it fits perfect here...
Although, if you look, I didnt stretch the DREAM part as far as some people seem to be able to stretch it, im thinking real work tech available, but phone/carrier company's too stupid (read, they want to milk us all for MAX $$$ instead of just providing one large massive uber pwnage upgrade that would effectively end cycled purchases every year, the greedy fuks)
cheers...
Make some prototypes and hand them to the seasoned devs over here. Im sure everyone would support you.
Wat did you have in mind.
High resolution screen and accurate multitouch is a must.
Oh, and something fast (tegra 2)
10" super amoled like screen with wxga 1280x800
no thicker than 9mm
qualcomm "krait" 2.5 Ghz quadcore
2GB of ram-expandable
32GBx2 ultrathin flash storage modules (ex: toshiba blade x-gale ssd)-expandable
8mp cam rear with 1080p @ 30fps and 720 @ 60fps
2mp front
hdmi/usb/e-sata
all other standard stuff. wifi/bluetooth/4GLTE/etc.
fully unlocked hardware
honeycomb
10hr battery life on
breaking banks here
kiwijunglist said:
7" Capactive 2 point Multitouch
800 x 480 resolution
Micro usb for charging
3.5mm Audio out (Good quality D.A.C.)
Flash capable CPU 800Mhz or more
256mb RAM
512 -1024 mb ROM
MicroSD slot
Microphone
Wifi
Bluetooth
GPS
External Speaker of average quality
$150 USD
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http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/7-inch-tablet-pc-android/
That is almost exactly what you want Just no GPS unfortunately
Hey guys!
Firstly, I would like to mention that I do not own any tablet, nor any laptop. Now from what I've seen, if I want to buy a tablet, transformer prime is the best out there both in terms of price and hardware.
But my question is, for that same price (500 - 600), could I get any laptop with that kind of size and weight, but have better performance? I absolutely love the android niche and community and the hardware of the device itself. But every now and then I would love to run some old or decent games (morrowind xD, or halo) or perhaps use photoshop etc.... Would such a laptop, light, compact and relatively more powerful, at that price range exist? What are the advantages of a tablet considering my concerns?
Thanks guys!
be nice on the no0b plz
I was in the same case as you are before i bought the original transformer. No laptop no tablet, but a smartphone (HTC Desire) and a powerfull desktop computer.
Here's the thing. At this price point, the laptop you would buy will most likely be very bad on a lot of point. Build weight heat screen battery raw power etc.
But with a tablet. At this price you'll have the best in class.
So Yeah you wont do the same thing on a tablet and on a laptop, but some thing are better on laptop (work, heavy gaming) some are better on tablet (web browsing reading light gaming watching vidéo etc.).
The catch is that your laptop, being a low cost product, wont do its things very well, but the tablet will do what it does perfectly.
I could have bought a cheap laptop and be able to work on my CGs project on the go or play Skyrim everywhere but seriously... who wants to play Skyrim on a ****ty laptop with awfull graphics ? Who wants to work on a tiny screen with a slow ass CPU ? Working is bad enough not to worsening it by doing it with bad tools. And who wants to do this thing for no more than 2 hours top because that's what happen when you do heavy task on battery?
If you Really want to work or play big games on a mobile device, buy a real laptop (1000$+).
If what s your looking for is a mobile entertainement device with internet and some cool creative tools go for a tablet (the Transformer Prime !).
Plus tablet are hype and fun, and the Transformer with dock provide its fair share of "Woa effect " each time I take the screen away of what seemed until now to be a cheap netbook.
First off, a tablet and a laptop aren't really comparable at this point. I would recommend you get a laptop first, because laptops are capable of doing the practical things like word processing and photoshop and the like that tablets can't do yet. Tablets are still primarily "fun" devices compared to laptops (though tablets certainly do have some practical uses).
Yes, any laptop you get in that range will have better specs. I have a laptop in that range, and no tablets have the sort of capabilities my laptop has. But like I said it isn't really comparable, because they are 2 completely different experiences. As far as games, I've only ever played 1 game on my laptop: Homeworld (a 1999 game lol, old game but best RTS ever). Despite how old the game is, it still pushed my laptop to its limit, and I have a i5 processor. The only laptops that can run games well are really expensive, and so in that sense, I actually think in the under $1k range tablets are better for gaming.
Overall, a laptop is a much more practical choice.
the advantages to a tablet at this price point are going to be battery life, weight and touch input.
the advantages to a laptop at this price point are going to be more storage, faster CPU, more versatility when it comes to software.
downside to tablet: limited software (when compared to windows), less raw power
downside to laptop: subjectively worse gaming (at this price point, the tegra3 or ipad2 seem to have more gaming potential for well designed games than a $600 thin and light (as thin and light as possible at the price point) laptop, less battery life, heavier, thicker, no touch input (but possibly better keyboard/touchpad responsiveness)
so in the end, it comes down to what you are going to use your laptop or tablet for, and what features are a priority to you.
i have a laptop that i do actual photoshop/office/illustrator work on, but when i just need to take notes or write emails and stuff (as in, not get actual work work done, but sidework) then the OG transformer and my galaxy tab have been more useful than a tablet because of the lightness and battery life. for me at least.
Laptop is much better. Unless you use it as a supplement to other tech (desktop computer, mobile phone, heavy duty laptop), it is better to have a laptop. While you lose out on battery, it is simply much more powerful and versatile.
Tablet like Prime is useful as a netbook replacement. Something you use during lectures for notes, reading, browsing or viewing videos while on the go (plane, bus, carpooling). It has a long battery life, but is less than adequate for gaming (you cannot play any modern games on it, nor games that were modern ten years ago, even if they look better). It also has barely adequate options for document creation and powerful photo, sound and video editing is nearly impossible. A laptop is also much, much better when multitasking.
But if you have a device for gaming and office work and consider tablet a supplement to those tools, then tablet is absolutely awesome. Tablet is also awesome for people who don't do anything with computers other than reading documents and books, viewing videos and browsing internet. It's also great for kids.
In all honesty though, for the latter category, iPad 2 is a much better option than Transformer Prime.
The best thing Transformer Prime is for, is being a replacement for your netbook and supplement to your laptop/desktop computer.
I already have an iphone 4 and in all honesty I couldn't get myself to buy an ipad knowing that its identical to the phone.
Ive decided to get the Prime instead of replacing my 4 year old laptop.
Wow! You guys are really helpful! I really appreciate thoughtful replies. I have some good insight now!
Thanks again guys!
If you currently own neither laptop nor tablet definitely get laptop. For ~$400 your best option is Lenovo AMD APU E-450 based netbook with better graphics performance/gaming/media decoding than comparable Intel Atom netbook. This will allow you to do everything that you can do on a tablet with the added benefit of access to wider range of software especially productivity and games. If budget allows you can go higher end with Intel i5/i7 CPU, discrete graphics, SSD, etc.
Asus Transformer Prime is a great upgrade for someone familiar with an Android phone ecosystem and is ready to move up in size and performance.
Another option is in lieu of a high end laptop you can buy both the AMD APU netbook and the Asus Transformer Prime. If I was in your position and don't do anything very compute intensive on the x86 side I would go with this option.
mi7chy said:
If you currently own neither laptop nor tablet definitely get laptop. For ~$400 your best option is Lenovo AMD APU E-450 based netbook with better graphics performance/gaming/media decoding than comparable Intel Atom netbook. This will allow you to do everything that you can do on a tablet with the added benefit of access to wider range of software especially productivity and games. If budget allows you can go higher end with Intel i5/i7 CPU, discrete graphics, SSD, etc.
Asus Transformer Prime is a great upgrade for someone familiar with an Android phone ecosystem and is ready to move up in size and performance.
Another option is in lieu of a high end laptop you can buy both the AMD APU netbook and the Asus Transformer Prime. If I was in your position and don't do anything very compute intensive on the x86 side I would go with this option.
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Can't say I agree. He has made due without a laptop so far so to assume he would now need that extra functionality over a tablet would be a big assumption.
I currently do not have a laptop or a tablet but am getting the prime. Reason is that while there are a few things the laptop would be better suited for (like better word processing and excel) the fact is I haven't needed a laptop previously for those tasks and do not need them now. The basic office functions on the tablet will work fine for me (can format things at home).
When it comes down to it you need to really think what your main uses will be. For me its portable media consumption (much better on tablet) and annotating pdfs for classes (much better on tablet), and then studying off them. Sure a bit more power would be nice, but a tablet doesn't have to only be a laptop supplement, but a main PC supplement (which could be a desktop)
http://www.asus.com/us/Phones/PadFone_X_mini_PF450CL_US_only/
DynamicDisplay Technology - Transforms a 4.5” LTE Smartphone into a 7” LTE Tablet
One Stop Storage - Requires no more syncing between two devices, while sticking to only one data plan
ASUS ZenUI - Design for effortless user experience
Ultra-fast Intel Atom Z2560 1.6GHz CPU with Intel Hyper-Threading Technology
5MP PixalMaster Camera with 2MP front facing camera
Long lasting battery while Station charges phone in tablet mode
Good to know they are making a smaller one, but now shipping with the Intel Atom z2560 dual core...
Camera Scaled down with size, perhaps a more budget friendly phone?
Appearing on ATT Shelves October 24th...This Week
Your Thoughts...
8125Omnimax said:
http://www.asus.com/us/Phones/PadFone_X_mini_PF450CL_US_only/
DynamicDisplay Technology - Transforms a 4.5” LTE Smartphone into a 7” LTE Tablet
One Stop Storage - Requires no more syncing between two devices, while sticking to only one data plan
ASUS ZenUI - Design for effortless user experience
Ultra-fast Intel Atom Z2560 1.6GHz CPU with Intel Hyper-Threading Technology
5MP PixalMaster Camera with 2MP front facing camera
Long lasting battery while Station charges phone in tablet mode
Good to know they are making a smaller one, but now shipping with the Intel Atom z2560 dual core...
Camera Scaled down with size, perhaps a more budget friendly phone?
Appearing on ATT Shelves October 24th...This Week
Your Thoughts...
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My thoughts are, as long as it doesn't burn out the LTE antenna, $199 is a BARGAIN.
Just got the Asus PadFone x mini. Not bad phone tablet combo performance is decent everyday use notice little lag not bad. Lacks storage but I have 32Gb ad card not issue for me only 8 gig 3 our available. A ton bloatware. I could take it off but doesn't really bother me. The tablet 720 screen looks good. 200 it's nice combo. I had few phones this year. I trade and sell a lot. Not flagship phone on par with moto g.
i this got this phone/tablet has well this is replaceing my window phone
Got it love it
Got it. Love it. Would love it more with root. Since Kitkat 4.4.2 release it makes external micro sd cards useless with 3rd party apps. I could use the extra space. With root + sd card fix app we could revive use of the micro sd card. This is a great phone/tablet combo. Only $200? Wow what a deal. Add root and this baby is a steal deal. :victory:
It's decent coming from a lg flex it's a lot slower it lags a lot and whenever I do multi task it freezes and go back to home page.....once rooted we can crack up the CPU and then this would be beast
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Simple tablet for FooBar or JRiver
I am looking for a quality Chinese Android tablet that has a retina hi res 9" or greater screen and used exclusively (90%) to drive my 'audiophile' music using the Foobar or JRiver android app. It will operate on a dedicated wireless 802.11n point to point network linked to a dedicated audio notebook running Virtual Router. It must be light, have a large battery life (8 hours?), easy to charge, non glossy screen, sensitive to the touch, not leave sticky finger marks all over the screen, and not too expensive. I am not interested in internet access (maybe once a month?) nor 3G.
The only other major app is an RDP interface to manage the notebook.
I was looking at the Onda V975M or CubeTalk 9x. Both are a bit heavy and probably overkill for my processing requirements.
im not very aware of what the chinese market offer ,but here are my recommandation for what you need
galaxy tab 4 (wifi only are cheaper)
lg g pad 8.3
both asus and acer offer a lot of budget tablets you may like one
finally the amazon kindles (i think you can sideload android apps)
With the new device coming out, I was wondering if anyone knows if the new surface book/pro 4 stylus would work on the note 12.2. I do not know if they switched back to wacom, but It did not seem to be an active stylus.
The Surface Pro 4 pen is a redesigned N-Trig pen, so no. And the Book pen is a Surface pen.
I really like that i7/Nvidia/16GBRAM/1TB Surface Book. But Microsoft won't tell us exactly which Nvidia GPU is included, which makes me more than a bit suspicious... I don't have $3200, anyway.
ShadowLea said:
The Surface Pro 4 pen is a redesigned N-Trig pen, so no. And the Book pen is a Surface pen.
I really like that i7/Nvidia/16GBRAM/1TB Surface Book. But Microsoft won't tell us exactly which Nvidia GPU is included, which makes me more than a bit suspicious... I don't have $3200, anyway.
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I played with a surface book for a bit (2400 dollar version) and it was impressive. I have never wanted to replace my NOTE Pro with a surface pro, but the book was an entirely different experience. I didn't like the magnetic clip for the pen though. No way that thing is in the same place after a ride to work in a backpack. Otherwise nearly perfect. However for $3200 I would look at the Vaio Canvas instead. Then you'll be getting a full quad core desktop CPU and still good battery life.
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I played with a surface book for a bit (2400 dollar version) and it was impressive. I have never wanted to replace my NOTE Pro with a surface pro, but the book was an entirely different experience. I didn't like the magnetic clip for the pen though. No way that thing is in the same place after a ride to work in a backpack. Otherwise nearly perfect. However for $3200 I would look at the Vaio Canvas instead. Then you'll be getting a full quad core desktop CPU and still good battery life.
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Hahaha, well, nothing every stays in the same place in my bag, so one more or less wouldn't be too much of an issue. :laugh:
Sadly the Vaio is as useless as the Surface Pro 3 and 4.
Intel® Iris™ Pro Graphics 5200
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Integrated IntelHD GPU's aren't worth 5 quid, let alone 3000. If I'm going to spend 3000 quid on a tablet/laptop combination, I want to be able to use it as such, and not as a glorified Facebook machine. If I can't game on it, I don't want it.
At least the Surface Book comes with an Intel i7 and a dedicated Nvidia GPU.
You do realize the i7 in the Surface Book is a full QuadCore desktop CPU? The one in the Surface Book is a 6th Gen i7-6650U, the one in the Vaio Canvas is a 4th gen i7-4770HQ.
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Hahaha, well, nothing every stays in the same place in my bag, so one more or less wouldn't be too much of an issue. :laugh:
Sadly the Vaio is as useless as the Surface Pro 3 and 4.
Integrated IntelHD GPU's aren't worth 5 quid, let alone 3000. If I'm going to spend 3000 quid on a tablet/laptop combination, I want to be able to use it as such, and not as a glorified Facebook machine. If I can't game on it, I don't want it.
At least the Surface Book comes with an Intel i7 and a dedicated Nvidia GPU.
You do realize the i7 in the Surface Book is a full QuadCore desktop CPU? The one in the Surface Book is a 6th Gen i7-6650U, the one in the Vaio Canvas is a 4th gen i7-4770HQ.
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No I didn't realize that, the one I used had the i5 6300U which I pretty sure is a dual core. Also the 6650u is also a dual core I think. I can't afford either right now anyway and I still find my 905 to be great.
The i7 processor in the SurfaceBook is an i7-6600U. It is a dual core CPU, not quad core. At least that's what I've read everywhere. I think it'd be quite a feat to get a desktop class quad core i7 inside a tablet.
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The i7 processor in the SurfaceBook is an i7-6600U. It is a dual core CPU, not quad core. At least that's what I've read everywhere. I think it'd be quite a feat to get a desktop class quad core i7 inside a tablet.
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Bloody hell, you're right...
http://ark.intel.com/products/88192/Intel-Core-i7-6600U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz said:
# of Cores 2
# of Threads 4
Processor Base Frequency 2.6 GHz
Max Turbo Frequency 3.4 GHz
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Well, I'm not paying 3000 quid for a Dualcore. If I wanted 2009 specs, I'd buy a Macbook.
I really want a surface book myself. My biggest thing has been using a stylus that could replace paper and pen. I am a writer and I want something portable. i ahve my gaming system, so i wasnt looking for that. Though, I still wanted something I could play some games with, and maybe even some low settings of higher end games.
From what I have heard the dedicated gpu is a 1gb 900 series. Probably a 950m or so. Though, that is speculation. The 1GB limit is what bugs me. It means a limit on many dx11/12 and physX settings.
I didnt know if the surface pen was wacom or ntrig. They both have their benefits, however, the wacom still works with less lag.
I like Vaio options. They do pretty well. The last one I had was the Sony Vaio flip 15a. It was nice, with a good dedicated GPU. I got a refurbished model for around 800 bucks, with 1TB HDD and i7.
Its up in the air. Without cost being a concern Id just use a notepro and a surfacebook for mobile and my gaming laptop at home mostly.
An equivalent (roughly ) spec mac book pro is cheaper than the surfacebook. I know the mac book isn't a touchscreen device but I think that going higher than Apple's pricing isn't a smart move. Like them or not mac books tend to be sturdy long lasting machines and that hinge on the surfacebook looks like it's begging to be snapped off.
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An equivalent (roughly ) spec mac book pro is cheaper than the surfacebook. I know the mac book isn't a touchscreen device but I think that going higher than Apple's pricing isn't a smart move. Like them or not mac books tend to be sturdy long lasting machines and that hinge on the surfacebook looks like it's begging to be snapped off.
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Macbooks are no more durable that any other laptop, they just market it that way. Apple could make people think they are the shiniest most awesome thing on the planet. Hence why they call it the reality distortion field. We also cannot judge a hinge or other part of a product based solely on looks. Who knows, that hinge may outlast every other component.
I also cannot think that comparing a non touchscreen macbook to a surface pro and thinking they are equivalent is really all that equal. You are taking out a couple of the most expensive components. The touch screen and the digitizer, not to mention the pen. Thats like saying "My motorcycle cost less than my car, and its just a couple of wheels difference.".
There is also a need to consider other components, such as the dedicate gpu, the possibility of a quad i7, the rear facing camera, the fact that it can detach and be used as a tablet, The fact that it has higher resolution than the mbp, etc.
Overall, I would say the price difference is just fine. Though, in my opinion they are both overpriced. Apple is always notorious for making high margins on their products. The surface series is also notorious for being high cost. Price is definitely going to be the biggest 'con' to the device.
You're right about comparing the two devices, but it seems that Microsoft do consider the Apple laptops to be a competitor.
Everyone's experience is different but my 2009 Macbook Air still looks and feels new. I've never been able to say that about any other manufacturer's laptops. I thing the Macbook hardware really is top notch (sadly with a price to match!)
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You're right about comparing the two devices, but it seems that Microsoft do consider the Apple laptops to be a competitor.
Everyone's experience is different but my 2009 Macbook Air still looks and feels new. I've never been able to say that about any other manufacturer's laptops. I thing the Macbook hardware really is top notch (sadly with a price to match!)
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If you don't Game, and as a result don't require heavy duty hardware, then a Macbook will last you about 10-15 years. That's the good part of OS X, it doesn't clutter anywhere near as much as Windows does.
But if you play games (like me) the situation becomes slightly different. (You can't play real Games on a Macbook without running Windows in bootcamp anyway). They just don't run very well on 2 year old hardware, let alone 5.
I'd want to play Dragon Age Inquisition on the tablet, for instance. Today I'm doing it through Splashtop, but that just streams my desktop (it does add controls though). But running the game on an IntelHD? I tried that when the Optimus driver didn't support the game yet. (My Laptop has Nvidia Optimus, so without driver support everything runs on my IntelHD 5000 instead of my GT740M.) The result was, well... terrible. Even the main menu ran at 2fps. :silly:
But the whole issue about videocards is a moot point when the competition is Apple, because Apple always uses IntelHD videocards anyway. :laugh:
I game on a desktop. Gaming laptop is an oxymoron
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I game on a desktop. Gaming laptop is an oxymoron
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No, it really isn't. :laugh:
Intel i7 - 3630QM 3.4GHz, 6M Cache
12GB DDR 5 RAM
Nvidia Geforce GT 740M 4GB VRAM
1.5TB 7200RPM (I have no use for an SSD, far too small)
17.3" 1080p Matte LED, LEDbacklit keyboard.
You can game perfectly fine on that. Skyrim runs with 253 mods including HD mods on Ultra at a steady 60fps. Dragon Age Inquisition runs on High at 30fps.
You just need to stop shopping in crappy electronics shops, and pick one you can mod. I put the DDR5 in myself, as it came with 8GB DDR3. The GPU could use some upgrading, but I'm not exactly earning a fortune at the moment.
Please tell me how you suggest I game on a desktop computer when I live in two cities half a country apart 50/50 of a week. I'm not lugging a desktop tower onto a train for 5 hours twice a week, thank you very much... :laugh:
Hmmmmm you didn't take any notice of my wink emoji.
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Hmmmmm you didn't take any notice of my wink emoji.
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Sure did, hence all the laughing emojji's Just joking along.
I always find it funny when people talk about the limits of laptops and how you need a desktop for real power.
I see it all the time, and it makes me laugh. Sure, a desktop is cheaper and can definitely be more powerful, but my laptop serves me just fine, too.
I can run most games on ultra settings without much issue.
However, thats the one big thing with a surface for me. I still want to game. If I am not going to be lugging my laptop around, i sill want to be able to play an rts or maybe break out an older game like fallout 3 or call or juarez or civ 5 and play a bit. With the new setup, I think you will be able to do that. The older surfaces could game, but they were being pushed to run games like civ 5. I remember the i7 model was running so hot that it throttled down to the i5 model speed or less, so gamers were just going with the i5.
I hope they took care of heat management here. Its going to be one of the biggest issues when people start pushing those GPUs