I posted over at Reddit that I had some camera scratches I couldn't figure out how I got. Turns out lots of people are reporting camera lens damage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg6/comments/648ucd/camera_scratches/
Anyone here seeing scratches across the camera lens?
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They aren't scratches, its a coating that is very easily scratched. Possibly only affects black units, could just be easier to see.
How to I wrote up https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg6/comments/64h13y/how_to_fix_camera_scratches/
Update - No scratches still.
PolarisX said:
I posted over at Reddit that I had some camera scratches I couldn't figure out how I got. Turns out lots of people are reporting camera lens damage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgg6/comments/648ucd/camera_scratches/
Anyone here seeing scratches across the camera lens?
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I haven't, but then again I have mine in a case.
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I heard that the camera lens is covered with Gorilla Glass 4, which would make it just as scratch resistant as most phones out there. It is, however, flush with the rest of the phone, so it could easily be scratched if not in a case.
I don't have any scratches. I just looked at it with my big magnifier lamp and not a single scratch.
I had a case before my phone came (like the OP in the link). I'm very gentle with my stuff though. Don't put it in pocket with keys. When it's in the purse, it's facing fabric.
Mine is scratched. Only went without a case for 2 days. I am also careful with my phone but it seems that simply setting it down on a table has scratched my camera glass. I can't believe it would scratch that easily.
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Mine is scratched. Only went without a case for 2 days. I am also careful with my phone but it seems that simply setting it down on a table has scratched my camera glass. I can't believe it would scratch that easily.
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Ouch. I dropped mine on asphalt the day after I put it in a case. I heard it bounce on the ground three times. I was so lucky.
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I don't have any scratches. I just looked at it with my big magnifier lamp and not a single scratch.
I had a case before my phone came (like the OP in the link). I'm very gentle with my stuff though. Don't put it in pocket with keys. When it's in the purse, it's facing fabric.
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Agreed. Keys do havoc.
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maruichan said:
I don't have any scratches. I just looked at it with my big magnifier lamp and not a single scratch.
I had a case before my phone came (like the OP in the link). I'm very gentle with my stuff though. Don't put it in pocket with keys. When it's in the purse, it's facing fabric.
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This is why I'm so confused. I am so careful with my devices. I just have to have it look good enough to do a Jump on Demand trade in, and then move on I suppose.
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This is why I'm so confused. I am so careful with my devices. I just have to have it look good enough to do a Jump on Demand trade in, and then move on I suppose.
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You can still jump with minor nicks and scratches. That's considered normal wear and tear according to the jump guidelines.
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This is why I'm so confused. I am so careful with my devices. I just have to have it look good enough to do a Jump on Demand trade in, and then move on I suppose.
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Look at this durability video. Granite can supposedly scratch the lens if you're not careful. So yay it's not sticking out... but not strong enough to slide around.
The rest of the phone is well made though
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PolarisX said:
This is why I'm so confused. I am so careful with my devices. I just have to have it look good enough to do a Jump on Demand trade in, and then move on I suppose.
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echto said:
You can still jump with minor nicks and scratches. That's considered normal wear and tear according to the jump guidelines.
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Yes, but it shouldn't be allowed to happen because it could potentially cause a crack.
See: V20 durability test
https://youtu.be/nBlUL-7Dl4U?t=2m23s
This is why I ordered my case Amazon Prime the moment I did my pre-order. Juuuust in case.
They aren't scratches, its a ****ty coating as I just found out.
I used Mcguire's polishing compound on a Dremel polishing wheel at low speed and its all gone. The darkish coating came off and its perfect again. Looks brand brand new. I have no idea if it was anti glare, or was supposed to be removed before shipment. The picture quality seems the same.
PolarisX said:
They aren't scratches, its a ****ty coating as I just found out.
I used Mcguire's polishing compound on a Dremel polishing wheel at low speed and its all gone. The darkish coating came off and its perfect again. Looks brand brand new. I have no idea if it was anti glare, or was supposed to be removed before shipment. The picture quality seems the same.
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Nice! I wonder if they added the coating due to the possibility of crack of v20. Not going to attempt to remove mine just yet.
No idea, but so many people are going to return over this issue. This might sink this phone if they don't stop putting this coating on immediately.
Other forums are quoting this thread already.
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No idea, but so many people are going to return over this issue. This might sink this phone if they don't stop putting this coating on immediately.
Other forums are quoting this thread already.
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With your mention of a coating, it's possible they put an oleophobic coating on the camera lens. I don't understand what else you would put on top of GG4.
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No idea, but so many people are going to return over this issue. This might sink this phone if they don't stop putting this coating on immediately.
Other forums are quoting this thread already.
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With only 338 views, I don't think LG will be rushing to make the change
I don't know how you guys are getting scratches. I have nada on mine... but I'll keep checking for it over time and maybe catch a shot of it underneath my lamp + magnifier.
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With only 338 views, I don't think LG will be rushing to make the change
I don't know how you guys are getting scratches. I have nada on mine... but I'll keep checking for it over time and maybe catch a shot of it underneath my lamp + magnifier.
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Honestly, though I'm not saying you all don't have scratches, stuff like this comes up for just about every phone I've ever used. The last was the Note7 where people were claiming that GG5 was the softest material on planet Earth and scratched on denim. Now people are upset the G6 doesn't have GG5 on the front.
I literally just noticed it today. I also only went 2 days without the case. I thought there was a small piece of packing plastic on it. ?
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Dumb question, but is it possible some of you are scratching lens when you have cleaned it with certain materials? For example, a napkin...
It reminds me of that coated feeling when you rub the readable side of a CD. I tried cleaning a game once with a paper towel and it gave it a million scratches which made it unreadable. It's possible this film is just as sensitive?
I have yet to clean my lens with anything but my finger
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Dumb question, but is it possible some of you are scratching lens when you have cleaned it with certain materials? For example, a napkin...
It reminds me of that coated feeling when you rub the readable side of a CD. I tried cleaning a game once with a paper towel and it gave it a million scratches which made it unreadable. It's possible this film is just as sensitive?
I have yet to clean my lens with anything but my finger
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This surprises me. Mine has scratches as well.This must have happened before I put a case on my phone, and when I sat the phone on a surface with the camera side facing down
. One of the scratches goes across one of the lenses. Bummer.
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This surprises me. Mine is has scratches as well.This must have happened before I put a case on my phone, and when I sat the phone on a surface with the camera side facing down
. One of the scratches goes across one of the lenses. Bummer.
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I have some scratches on mine also. I don't notice a difference in my photos though. Does anyone see any defects in their photos due to the scratches?
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Why do case manufacturers insist on leaving a gaping hole where the camera is! A simple magnetic or even Velcro flap over the lens hole would prevent perhaps the most prone to damage area of the phone from getting scratched and dirty!
it drives me nuts!... I remember when phone makers used to have lens protectors built in, I remember a couple of great Sony Ericsson handsets,.
Does anyone have any remedies, other than putting my phone in a sock!
I just buy a cheap film and cut it to size and put it over the lens. Works like a charm
Cheap film as in cheap screen protector?
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In case you don't know:
1. The piece of glass above the camera is Gorilla Glass. The same material that's protecting the screen.
2. It is possible (in fact very easily) to replace that cover. Just search ebay for N9005 Rear Chassis Housing. It's not cheap, but certainly not expensive either. ($ 20 - 30)
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Cheap film as in cheap screen protector?
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Yes
Days later.. nothing... Found lots of people complaining about damaging their lense, and even videos on how to replace the camer lens cover..c'mon, someone can design something simply for a case to cover the lens hole, but be easily movable!
DocSoton said:
Days later.. nothing... Found lots of people complaining about damaging their lense, and even videos on how to replace the camer lens cover..c'mon, someone can design something simply for a case to cover the lens hole, but be easily movable!
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I really don't see the necessity, if it ever gets that bad just replace it or use a piece of scotch tape that you take off to use it. If you really want something that bad, I got a few camera lens film protectors that came with my nillkin tempered glass protector I can mail you. Assuming your in the us (cant see location on app).
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here if camera gets dmgd http://www.amazon.com/Aftermarket-P...768&sr=1-3&keywords=galaxy+note+3+camera+lens and this will protect it may be a lil over kill though http://www.amazon.com/SHEENROAD-Cam...924&sr=1-7&keywords=galaxy+note+3+camera+lens
Having went through lots of phone I never had a single scratch on all my phones. I always use my phone is a case and that's it. I never even thought about protecting it.
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I would hate if they covered the camera. Would be pretty annoying to have to open a flap every time I wanted to take a pic.
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I would hate if they covered the camera. Would be pretty annoying to have to open a flap every time I wanted to take a pic.
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Yep! I haven't seen a case out there that covers the camera. I don't think it's ever going to be made.
I remember along time ago, I had these lens protector for mobile phones, the package comes with abpproximate 20 pieces of different sizes of circles, the same material of that used for mobile phone screen protector.
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I would hate if they covered the camera. Would be pretty annoying to have to open a flap every time I wanted to take a pic.
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Never found yourself taking a pic, only to realise there a smudge, smear or something, and have to clean the lens then take pic again.. missing the moment...???
Would take 1 second to move a slide...
Found this, think ill give it a go...
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c-slide, designed to help cover a webcam in laptop..
Ive seen lots of people moaning that the note 3 camera really sticks out, which it does.. people saying get damaged easily, and even videos showing you how to replace the camera lens cover.. so its obviously causing issues.. and Id rather have a simple mechanism on the case to stop this from happening...
I know the Griffen survivor for iPhone 5 had a camera protector.
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Good Thought
I believe that the area infront of the camera should be even more recessed, in order to avoid normal wear-and-tear when laying my phone on table.
This is why I have taken an oversized housing that doesnt make the camera part touch the table when resting it. The downside to it - I am walking with an oversized housing... I totally agree with you.
But then, I am not a paranoid. I've been through worse experience before ....
My old S2 I9100 ... after some time, My camera would take blurry ( i mean REAL BLURRY) pictures. worse thing was that the glass was not part of the battery door. Been trying elimination techniques to identify the issue (since it started all of a sudden IMO) - swap ROMs, came back to stock, camera app , ... well ... in the end, I had to buy a mid plate housing, then change everything.. quite some courage and skill it took... Not the kind of thing any user would do. I started to hate that design in the end, but not the phone ..
I believe manufacturers should not ignore this very valid point, and put a more recessed camera portion. I dont believe putting a camera lens cover would do - putting a mechanical part will make it break at some point. Again, putting a lens cover will mean they will make the internals more fragile, making it more vulnerable when the cover mechanism would actually fall apart. And, of course, it would not be the same letting someone/ everyone know when you are about to take a picture, when u are moving/ removing your lens cover ! obviously !
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Never found yourself taking a pic, only to realise there a smudge, smear or something, and have to clean the lens then take pic again.. missing the moment...???
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No, been using phone cameras since they came out, never had a problem. I always do a quick wipe against my soft cotton undershirt before taking a pic just in case there was a fingerprint but never ever have I looked at a picture and said, damn, if only it didn't have that smudge on it, wish I had a protector for it! I have perfect vision too.
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Well if all else fails buy a new one
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=151178176211
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MACHEK said:
Well if all else fails buy a new one
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=151178176211
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high price for one parts
rear housing
http://www.etradesupply.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3-n9005-rear-housing-white.html
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Days later.. nothing... Found lots of people complaining about damaging their lense, and even videos on how to replace the camer lens cover..c'mon, someone can design something simply for a case to cover the lens hole, but be easily movable!
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just get a case that lifts high enough for the camera to not touch, simple as that.....
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babyshanks said:
I really don't see the necessity, if it ever gets that bad just replace it or use a piece of scotch tape that you take off to use it. If you really want something that bad, I got a few camera lens film protectors that came with my nillkin tempered glass protector I can mail you. Assuming your in the us (cant see location on app).
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hook it up pls
pham818 said:
just get a case that lifts high enough for the camera to not touch, simple as that.....
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hook it up pls
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Only got 1 extra so its yours if you want it, just PM me. Stamps like 45 cents right? I accept paypal.....just kidding of course .
I reach rehearsal a little late and was hurrying to get set up and put my 6P on my keyboard and completely forgot it was there. About 5 minutes into the rehearsal the vibrations from the bass in the rehearsal room and my playing seems to have caused the phone to slowly move about until it fell [emoji15].
After all those bend tests and scare tactics I'd seen here and on reddit I swore the phone was done for. It took a 4 foot drop onto a thin carpet. I'm not sure which part of the phone made impact, I just heard the thump and had that sinking feeling because I'm usually WAY more careful than this. It's always these kinda scenarios where I'm late or rushing when my devices get dropped. Anyhow, long and short, the phone is perfectly fine. Not a ding or scratch to be seen or felt. The device didn't bend or implode and all components work exactly as they did before.
Decided to write this post so those worrying can relax a bit. The phone is as durable as you'd expect it to be!
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With all the kids sitting on their phones, and slamming the 6P on tables to break the back glass, you'd almost expect it to implode Thanks for sharing this, and glad it's ok!
I noticed a microscopic scratch on my screen today. I've been pretty careful with the phone. Never put it face down or in pockets with coins/keys. So just an FYI it probably is pretty easy to scratch the screen if you're not careful with it.
Glad everything is OK!
Dropped mine 4 times now and it's fine
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I noticed a microscopic scratch on my screen today. I've been pretty careful with the phone. Never put it face down or in pockets with coins/keys. So just an FYI it probably is pretty easy to scratch the screen if you're not careful with it.
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Coins and keys will not scratch glass. Metal is softer than glass. Get some silica (sand/dirt/etc) in your pocket or a surface that you put the display side down on and accidentally grind it in and that definitely will.
Edit: that said. I keep my phone pocket clean and empty. If you drop your phone on concrete or pavement or the ground, DO NOT WIPE THE DISPLAY OFF! Blow the dirt off first before you cause friction wiping it. Then very carefully remove the rest. Make sure to keep your pockets dirt free. Shake them inside out if you suspect you got dirt in them.
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Cares said:
I noticed a microscopic scratch on my screen today. I've been pretty careful with the phone. Never put it face down or in pockets with coins/keys. So just an FYI it probably is pretty easy to scratch the screen if you're not careful with it.
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Classical of gorilla glass 4 screens. Notjing you can do.
Cares said:
I noticed a microscopic scratch on my screen today. I've been pretty careful with the phone. Never put it face down or in pockets with coins/keys. So just an FYI it probably is pretty easy to scratch the screen if you're not careful with it.
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gorilla glass 4...harder to shatter at the expense of some scratch resistance
http://www.evolutivelabs.com/blogs/news/17122293-gorilla-glass-3-vs-4
First drop test of my phone last night. Using a clear case and have a Slickwraps with a glass screen protector. Dropped it off my lap getting out of the car onto the top of the phone and fell face down in the rocks. Small chip on the screen protector and no phone damage. Very happy.
Yeah, mine fell out of my lap onto the concrete from my truck about 2 days after I opened it.. No marks in glass but the metal on edge is a little scuffed. I hate cases since I love the way this phone feels in your hands but the scuff bugs me everytime I touch it lol
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I noticed a microscopic scratch on my screen today. I've been pretty careful with the phone. Never put it face down or in pockets with coins/keys. So just an FYI it probably is pretty easy to scratch the screen if you're not careful with it.
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Screen protector may help.
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I lucked out when I dropped mine. Completely naked, it bounced off my cat's water bowl and landed on the tile floor screen up. No physical damage at all!
(This was one day before my Spigen Ultra Hybrid case arrived - it's been in the case ever since)
lol at people rejoicing because their 6p didn't break
Never dropped my phone...until today I did it twice. Luckily I was at work where I keep the felt back case on it. One was 5 feet up on a hard floor....the case protected it perfectly. That being said...once my dbrand skin arrives ima have to be more careful. I always use tgsp though.
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I noticed a microscopic scratch on my screen today. I've been pretty careful with the phone. Never put it face down or in pockets with coins/keys. So just an FYI it probably is pretty easy to scratch the screen if you're not careful with it.
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A screen protcetor will prevent your phone from scratching and dropping,why not?
Wrong thread
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I reach rehearsal a little late and was hurrying to get set up and put my 6P on my keyboard and completely forgot it was there. About 5 minutes into the rehearsal the vibrations from the bass in the rehearsal room and my playing seems to have caused the phone to slowly move about until it fell [emoji15].
After all those bend tests and scare tactics I'd seen here and on reddit I swore the phone was done for. It took a 4 foot drop onto a thin carpet. I'm not sure which part of the phone made impact, I just heard the thump and had that sinking feeling because I'm usually WAY more careful than this. It's always these kinda scenarios where I'm late or rushing when my devices get dropped. Anyhow, long and short, the phone is perfectly fine. Not a ding or scratch to be seen or felt. The device didn't bend or implode and all components work exactly as they did before.
Decided to write this post so those worrying can relax a bit. The phone is as durable as you'd expect it to be!
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I had mine in my back pocket and sat in a folding chair. I only weigh 146, so it's not like I'm all that big. The back edge grazed the back support as I sat down. I heard a sickening crunch and when I looked at it the back of the phone the glass on the curved section had snapped. I wouldn't worry about the front of the devicedevice, but that back glass is not too impressive. I feel like that curved section didn't have enough support. The curve also likely contributed to the weakness. I now have a case that covers it up and I have no intentions of ever selling this device, but it is still pretty sickening. I've never cracked the glass on any device I've ever owned. This was the only disappointment I've had with this device, especially since I'd had it for less than two weeks at that point.
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I reach rehearsal a little late and was hurrying to get set up and put my 6P on my keyboard and completely forgot it was there. About 5 minutes into the rehearsal the vibrations from the bass in the rehearsal room and my playing seems to have caused the phone to slowly move about until it fell [emoji15].
After all those bend tests and scare tactics I'd seen here and on reddit I swore the phone was done for. It took a 4 foot drop onto a thin carpet. I'm not sure which part of the phone made impact, I just heard the thump and had that sinking feeling because I'm usually WAY more careful than this. It's always these kinda scenarios where I'm late or rushing when my devices get dropped. Anyhow, long and short, the phone is perfectly fine. Not a ding or scratch to be seen or felt. The device didn't bend or implode and all components work exactly as they did before.
Decided to write this post so those worrying can relax a bit. The phone is as durable as you'd expect it to be!
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You dropped it onto carpet though. I don't care how thin the carpet was, it does not merit a post.
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You dropped it onto carpet though. I don't care how thin the carpet was, it does not merit a post.
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It merits a post based on how fragile we were lead to believe this phone was.
Just saying...
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I've posted a thread on Reddit getting into more detail about the spontaneous crinkling of the area surrounding the power/volume buttons, but obviously as a newer user I can't post links.
After reading over some 20-30 different cases and having experienced the crinkling first hand...
I believe that it's related to case usage, but it might help to further narrow down the cause of this issue.
My theory is that since metal expands/contracts in varying weather, it is expanding to a size which is too large for the case it is fitted in, resulting in the metal crinkling in the spot where it has the least amount of structural support. For someone like myself who works in property management, I'm constantly moving back and forth between room-temperature environments and colder 40-50 degree weather. The plastic/TPU case may contract/expand as well, but not at the same rate or the same degree as the metal chassis.
If this issue has happened to you post what type of case you use if applicable and how long you've had your device. Post photos if necessary.
For example, the spontaneous crinkling looks like the photos here
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Oh wow. Maybe I was best to cancel my order
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bipoler said:
Oh wow. Maybe I was best to cancel my order
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Honestly it's not super widespread. Remember it's the minority who will speak out about issues and most people will go on without having any issues. Don't shy away from this great device because a few of us are trying to figure out this issue.
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Oh wow. Maybe I was best to cancel my order
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Lol.
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Oh wow. Maybe I was best to cancel my order
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Lol.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63898124&postcount=234
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63909486&postcount=238
Happened to me on my first 6P. I was using this case: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015X90UJS/
And it crinkled at the exact same spot. I thought it had something to do with the tightness of the case so I got a flexible tpu case to hopefully avoid it
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No problem here. 64 Graphite with diztronic case.
Just going to leave this here.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-expansion-coefficients-d_95.html
The answer is, the phone is in your pocket, you sit down or do anything that causes your pants to apply pressure to your phone, it flexes and causes that little ripple in the metal.
I'm cautiously calling BS on this one. This is either a manufacturing defect or the result of some mishandling. Aluminum is not deforming like that without considerable force.
Also note the little chip in the glass right where it's bent (2nd picture).
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Happened to me on my first 6P. I was using this case: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015X90UJS/
And it crinkled at the exact same spot. I thought it had something to do with the tightness of the case so I got a flexible tpu case to hopefully avoid it
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That's interesting. I was thinking/hoping that that type of case (Supcase) would prevent any bending because it offers a bit more stability.
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The answer is, the phone is in your pocket, you sit down or do anything that causes your pants to apply pressure to your phone, it flexes and causes that little ripple in the metal.
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If that were true all phones regardless of make/model would bend. Of course any phone can bend with enough force applied but it would seem there's more at play here because the bend/kink is occuring in the same place. A case, especially an OEM sanctioned case, shouldn't bend a phone by simply inserting and removing it. As for being put in a pocket that's pretty common and you'd think it would be designed for.
If you look at the design of the 6P it's more sensitive to top-to-bottom stress because there's nothing holding the mid-frame to the aluminum body in the center. Most people put a case on top-to-bottom; at least I do. You'd be better off putting a 6P case on or removing it side-to-side to avoid putting pressure on the button cut-outs which are the weakest part of the aluminum frame.
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http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/linear-expansion-coefficients-d_95.html
The answer is, the phone is in your pocket, you sit down or do anything that causes your pants to apply pressure to your phone, it flexes and causes that little ripple in the metal.
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I do understand what you mean. The issue is that it doesn't seem to be a problem with 99% of phones on the market. It seems that manufacturers should know by now that the phone will be put in our pockets so they should manufacturer them to withstand it.
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If that were true all phones regardless of make/model would bend. Of course any phone can bend with enough force applied but it would seem there's more at play here because the bend/kink is occuring in the same place. A case, especially an OEM sanctioned case, shouldn't bend a phone by simply inserting and removing it. As for being put in a pocket that's pretty common and you'd think it would be designed for.
If you look at the design of the 6P it's more sensitive to top-to-bottom stress because there's nothing holding the mid-frame to the aluminum body in the center. Most people put a case on top-to-bottom; at least I do. You'd be better off putting a 6P case on or removing it side-to-side to avoid putting pressure on the button cut-outs which are the weakest part of the aluminum frame.
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They do bend! They are supposed to bend, just like a tall building in the wind. Look up how Apple tests the iPhone, most manufacturers do the same thing.
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I'm cautiously calling BS on this one. This is either a manufacturing defect or the result of some mishandling. Aluminum is not deforming like that without considerable force.
Also note the little chip in the glass right where it's bent (2nd picture).
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No no, heat chipped it! No way these people mishandled their phones!
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That's interesting. I was thinking/hoping that that type of case (Supcase) would prevent any bending because it offers a bit more stability.
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Me too. I like the way the case looks and feels. It's very tight on the phone. The edges around the phone are very flexible though
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designgears said:
They do bend! They are supposed to bend, just like a tall building in the wind. Look up how Apple tests the iPhone, most manufacturers do the same thing.
No no, heat chipped it! No way these people mishandled their phones!
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things bend sure, not like how the OP's picture is, or many others that have had the same issue.
there is bending, and then there is bending . this a design flaw in the nexus 6p . everyone jumped all over jerry rig video on youtube, but he exposed where the flaw was and cracked the phone with his sneeze.
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They do bend! They are supposed to bend, just like a tall building in the wind. Look up how Apple tests the iPhone, most manufacturers do the same thing.
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Here's what's missing from the design Huawei chose for the 6P.
Unlike Samsung, LG, and Motorola who use the same design, there's no unity between the subframe and body of the phone on the 6P. The digitizer/display assembly is attached to the subframe with glue and those parts are secured to the aluminum frame only at the top and bottom. So when bent the aluminum frame is the weakest link. The strongest part of the 6P's structure is the area covered by the battery. The cutouts for the buttons and finger print sensor which weaken the frame just happen to be above the uppermost part of the battery.
Here's the video that still came from.
Cases do not cause the ripple (bend). When the phone is flexed in the middle is when this ripple will occur, has nothing to do with a case. I had a few 6ps up until now, 2 of them had this ripple. One got rippled over time and one was rippled out of the box - Neither were ever in a case.
The one that was slightly rippled out of the box, I did my own testing. I flexed the phone in the middle one way, then back the other way. When I flexed away from the screen the ripple would tighten up. When I flexed the phone towards the screen the edge would ripple a great degree. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to completely straighten out but it was clear that there is a lack a rigidity along the right edge. This has absolutely nothing to do with using a case.
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I've posted a thread on Reddit getting into more detail about the spontaneous crinkling of the area surrounding the power/volume buttons, but obviously as a newer user I can't post links.
After reading over some 20-30 different cases and having experienced the crinkling first hand...
I believe that it's related to case usage, but it might help to further narrow down the cause of this issue.
My theory is that since metal expands/contracts in varying weather, it is expanding to a size which is too large for the case it is fitted in, resulting in the metal crinkling in the spot where it has the least amount of structural support. For someone like myself who works in property management, I'm constantly moving back and forth between room-temperature environments and colder 40-50 degree weather. The plastic/TPU case may contract/expand as well, but not at the same rate or the same degree as the metal chassis.
If this issue has happened to you post what type of case you use if applicable and how long you've had your device. Post photos if necessary.
For example, the spontaneous crinkling looks like the photos here
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You bent your phone, what is spontaneous about that?
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Cases do not cause the ripple (bend). When the phone is flexed in the middle is when this ripple will occur, has nothing to do with a case. I had a few 6ps up until now, 2 of them had this ripple. One got rippled over time and one was rippled out of the box - Neither were ever in a case.
The one that was slightly rippled out of the box, I did my own testing. I flexed the phone in the middle one way, then back the other way. When I flexed away from the screen the ripple would tighten up. When I flexed the phone towards the screen the edge would ripple a great degree. No matter what I did I couldn't get it to completely straighten out but it was clear that there is a lack a rigidity along the right edge. This has absolutely nothing to do with using a case.
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How much pressure did it take to get the ripple to come up?
Hello everyone, since this thread was closed, I thought I'd reopen the discussion.
I'm currently waiting for my preorder to ship, but as of right now there is no specified date in Spain (just mid April). So I thought I'd ask you guys:
What do you think of the build quality? Do you see any potential issues in the near future? I saw the video of that guy scratch his G5 body very easily with a box cutter, of course, it's a box cutter! But do any of you think that will actually chip or scratch with normal usage? Like in your pocket, leaving it on the table, in your bag with other things? I do this all the time with my G4, G3, and every other device, but I have never seen such a video that a guy can literally take off the entire layer with little effort.
So people with devices, have any of you noticed or felt like the primer layer is weak or fragile enough to chip, break off, crack or come off by itself with little effort or every day wear? I'm planning on keeping this device for at least a year! (And yes, a case is on its way, but sometimes I do like to move around without a case - after all, these phones are designed without a case in mind...)
Thanks
The coating seems pretty durable, but I always use a skin on the phone so when I go to sell it it's in mint condition when I peel that skin off. I also keep the pocket it rides in free of other objects. I am sure if you took a box cutter to any phone, it would cause damage.
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The coating seems pretty durable, but I always use a skin on the phone so when I go to sell it it's in mint condition when I peel that skin off. I also keep the pocket it rides in free of other objects. I am sure if you took a box cutter to any phone, it would cause damage.
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That's good to know. I just felt like in the video it looked like it was very "soft" or malleable. I just wanted to see what actual owners thought about it . I'm excited to get mine!
It's durable so far. been putting in my pocket with keys and no scratches, dents or dings. Dropped twice off the back of my couch last night onto my hard wood floor and my heart skipped a beat - no damage at all.
I prefer no case. The only thing that will really f-up your phone is dust/dirt as it will scratch everything
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There are reports in some threads about small drops and keys dinging and scratching the phone.
With that said, it mostly depends on how it falls. I've heard of people's G4 body/screen cracking from five foot drops onto carpet. I've accidentally tossed mine eight feet in the air and had it land face down on pavement without a scratch, and that was using a Rinke Slim case.
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Hello everyone, since this thread was closed, I thought I'd reopen the discussion.
I'm currently waiting for my preorder to ship, but as of right now there is no specified date in Spain (just mid April). So I thought I'd ask you guys:
What do you think of the build quality? Do you see any potential issues in the near future? I saw the video of that guy scratch his G5 body very easily with a box cutter, of course, it's a box cutter! But do any of you think that will actually chip or scratch with normal usage? Like in your pocket, leaving it on the table, in your bag with other things? I do this all the time with my G4, G3, and every other device, but I have never seen such a video that a guy can literally take off the entire layer with little effort.
So people with devices, have any of you noticed or felt like the primer layer is weak or fragile enough to chip, break off, crack or come off by itself with little effort or every day wear? I'm planning on keeping this device for at least a year! (And yes, a case is on its way, but sometimes I do like to move around without a case - after all, these phones are designed without a case in mind...)
Thanks
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That thread was closed due to op only wanting to troll.
From what I gather you need to intentionally cut into the phone in order to chip. Falls may do it too
Sammae7 said:
There are reports in some threads about small drops and keys dinging and scratching the phone.
With that said, it mostly depends on how it falls. I've heard of people's G4 body/screen cracking from five foot drops onto carpet. I've accidentally tossed mine eight feet in the air and had it land face down on pavement without a scratch, and that was using a Rinke Slim case.
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That thread was closed due to op only wanting to troll.
From what I gather you need to intentionally cut into the phone in order to chip. Falls may do it too
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swazey said:
It's durable so far. been putting in my pocket with keys and no scratches, dents or dings. Dropped twice off the back of my couch last night onto my hard wood floor and my heart skipped a beat - no damage at all.
I prefer no case. The only thing that will really f-up your phone is dust/dirt as it will scratch everything
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That's good to know! That man just made it look so soft and malleable I couldn't believe it!
Thanks everyone
Also he was cutting with enough force to pretty badly scratch the aluminum itself, I don't know how you could reasonably expect a coating to do better...
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JNordgren42 said:
Also he was cutting with enough force to pretty badly scratch the aluminum itself, I don't know how you could reasonably expect a coating to do better...
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Yea
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That's good to know! That man just made it look so soft and malleable I couldn't believe it!
Thanks everyone
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And just to add, the phone though light has a solid heft to it (if that makes any sense). All of this talk of it being plastic has me fuming. I tapped the back and sides of the phone lightly on my granite counter top and there is no way in hell plastic makes a sound like that. I tried the same with my G3 and there are 2 distinct sounds...
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And just to add, the phone though light has a solid heft to it (if that makes any sense). All of this talk of it being plastic has me fuming. I tapped the back and sides of the phone lightly on my granite counter top and there is no way in hell plastic makes a sound like that. I tried the same with my G3 and there are 2 distinct sounds...
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Not to worry the people who are complaining on it don't and won't ever get one and merely parrot what someone else says. Um is one such
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And just to add, the phone though light has a solid heft to it (if that makes any sense). All of this talk of it being plastic has me fuming. I tapped the back and sides of the phone lightly on my granite counter top and there is no way in hell plastic makes a sound like that. I tried the same with my G3 and there are 2 distinct sounds...
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Haha, very good.
What people i hear are saying is it does not feel like metal in the hand. LG promised, LG lied, we are disappointed, bla, bla....
it would seem that reviewers are adamant we should live in a world where ALL phones are anodised 'premium' flat slabs !!
Some companies beg to differ.
What is so godamn premium about aluminium. Its the cheapest metal to use. Its soft and dents like anything.
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That's good to know! That man just made it look so soft and malleable I couldn't believe it!
Thanks everyone
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Jerry also bent the 6P with his bare hands, don't think it stopped anyone who wanted one
How is the leather back on the G4 holding up after nearly a year. Corners still peeling but never went beyond. The leather changed colour. The back on this is harder than leather.
So I appear to have developed a small chip on the top left side. I have been extremely careful with this phone in every way. Always in an empty pocket and set down carefully. Might have to get it exchanged.
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Sucks. Yeah its been solid for me so far.
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Just get a cover/case for your phone and if u dont like them dont complain about the chips and scratches. Just common sense you know.
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Just get a cover/case for your phone and if u dont like them dont complain about the chips and scratches. Just common sense you know.
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See that's the thing, I didn't coddle my G4. I liked the feel of the leather, and I'm absolutely certain that I have bumped into stuff while it is in my pocket, that's the facts of life. You can't really avoid that. What I saw in another review yesterday was that in 8 days the device began to chip at the bottom where the magic slot is located. That's from normal usage. I'm very inclined to give it a shot! I loved and still love my G4, but I'm worried that the G5 might not hold up past a few months without seriously degrading the build quality [emoji19]
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I hope you're wrong.
My 2 samsungs are very resistant : the Note 1 has felt 3-4 times, and the borders have just a liitle impact on a corner.
The Note 3 et Note 1 's paint are ok since the first day, no scratches, and the screens are ok too, without protection (just flip cover)
Samsung's phone are strong, hoping my future G5 is too :-/
Angie* said:
I hope you're wrong.
My 2 samsungs are very resistant : the Note 1 has felt 3-4 times, and the borders have just a liitle impact on a corner.
The Note 3 et Note 1 's paint are ok since the first day, no scratches, and the screens are ok too, without protection (just flip cover)
Samsung's phone are strong, hoping my future G5 is too :-/
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Samsung were very strong devices. The last two years have been very fragile if dropped. The S7E I have now feels like I need to keep it in a diaper... I could drop my note, note 2 or 4. LG G4 too! But if the G5 begins to chip soon after... For the love of God! Hopefully what people are saying is true: there is a factory that has issues, but it's one of the three that are producing! So that's good...
I'm keeping my fingers crossed [emoji106]
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me too! ^^
I scratched the silver edge of mine with my nail.. irritates me every time I look at it.
I'm curious if it's possible to disassemble the fingerprint scanner/power button without destroying it in the process; specifically separating the metal "rim" surrounding/covering the scanner plate from the rest of the assembly without damaging it.
It's pretty much impossible to figure it out purely from pictures, and it'd be a waste all 'round to buy a shiny new one just to break it.
Sooooo anyone?
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I'm curious if it's possible to disassemble the fingerprint scanner/power button without destroying it in the process; specifically separating the metal "rim" surrounding/covering the scanner plate from the rest of the assembly without damaging it.
It's pretty much impossible to figure it out purely from pictures, and it'd be a waste all 'round to buy a shiny new one just to break it.
Sooooo anyone?
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Do you need another one? Or you just want to experiment with something?
Septfox said:
I'm curious if it's possible to disassemble the fingerprint scanner/power button without destroying it in the process; specifically separating the metal "rim" surrounding/covering the scanner plate from the rest of the assembly without damaging it.
It's pretty much impossible to figure it out purely from pictures, and it'd be a waste all 'round to buy a shiny new one just to break it.
Sooooo anyone?
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There's many disassembly videos on YouTube. The answer may be there.
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ChazzMatt said:
Do you need another one? Or you just want to experiment with something?
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Aesthetics experiment. The phone I ordered has broken back glass; I figured since I was replacing it anyway, I'd replace some other stuff too and do a two-tone sort of thing.
The camera glass is easy to separate from its trim and get a replacement for, as is the SIM tray...volume buttons are pretty much impossible to get in certain colors though. The fingerprint scanner is the only thing left.
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There's many disassembly videos on YouTube. The answer may be there.
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I imagine that most, if not all, focus on replacing it as a module rather than disassembling it...but eh, I'll check.
Ya I have a handful of them all working how many you want
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Send me a message with your address I'll ship it(them) to you
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Ya I have a handful of them all working how many you want
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I wouldn't normally look a gift horse squarely in the mouth, but I'm more than slightly curious as to why you have a handful of them :v
Having eyeballed some pictures and watched the rather destructive testing done by Zack/JerryRigEverything in slow motion, I've reached the conclusion that the reader plate is fused to the rim. The entire thing is probably a tub-shaped stamped plate that the scanner is glued into. The thing I want to do is probably not doable in the fashion I wanted to do it. Fortunately I have a plan B.
I wouldn't mind having a couple of spares, since I'm going to have the phone for quite some time (assuming I can get a seller to ship me one that's as-described...). I'll shoot you a PM in a minute.
I think over the last 2 years I've purchased 6 lg v30s. Most of them slightly flawed off eBay for parts and stuff so I have ziplock bags separating phones and their parts. I saw this thread and checked my bag of lg v30 parts I'll no longer be using and I think I have 4 fingerprint sensors fully intact in there. I'm in a giving mood I guess I'll check my messages thanks
it's pretty easy to disassemble FP/power button without damage. I'm using hot air to loosen the adhesive then pry it with metal/plastic pry tool. The problem is, after removing, the adhesive that held them with back glass will completely unusable so I had to clean that adhesive and replace it with some black B7000 glue. In other hand, the back glass itself only cost around $16 completely with fingerprint/power button and ready to install.
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I think over the last 2 years I've purchased 6 lg v30s. Most of them slightly flawed off eBay for parts and stuff so I have ziplock bags separating phones and their parts. I saw this thread and checked my bag of lg v30 parts I'll no longer be using and I think I have 4 fingerprint sensors fully intact in there. I'm in a giving mood I guess I'll check my messages thanks
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Sent you a pm
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I think over the last 2 years I've purchased 6 lg v30s. Most of them slightly flawed off eBay for parts and stuff so I have ziplock bags separating phones and their parts.
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Ah, fair enough. Did you find that you needed to replace stuff on your handset very often?
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it's pretty easy to disassemble FP/power button without damage. I'm using hot air to loosen the adhesive then pry it with metal/plastic pry tool. The problem is, after removing, the adhesive that held them with back glass will completely unusable so I had to clean that adhesive and replace it with some black B7000 glue. In other hand, the back glass itself only cost around $16 completely with fingerprint/power button and ready to install.
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I knew that the power button could be separated, they're available for sale (though somewhat less commonly than button+scanner sets). This separation is what I'm after:
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It looks like the scanner plate is a separate piece, but I'm going to guess it's permanently glued down with epoxy or something. My phone arrives tomorrow, so I can poke at it a bit and see if it moves at all.
I have a feeling that even if the plate can be pulled up, it won't be removable due to the ribbon connection. So all this will be for naught anyway :silly:
Thanks for mentioning B7000. I wasn't sure what kind of adhesive would be appropriate for restoring some water resistance, and to be honest I don't have much faith in the pre-fitted double-sided tape included with new backs; B7000 sounds like the kind of stuff I'll want.
No not really but I love the phone and have broken 3 screens. When trying to get another screen the replacement screens cost more than damn near just buying 2 complete bad esi or slightly cracked phones. So I figured why pay for a screen when I can buy a complete soonersoft lg v30 for half. I was also experimenting with using silicone sealent to waterproof the back glass.. I feel like I'm being interogated here lol.... Any other questions?? ?
By the way
Silicone actually works I've torture tested the sh&t out of it . Ugly and messy but works in case you were wondering ..
Obviously I have too much time on my hands
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Ah, fair enough. Did you find that you needed to replace stuff on your handset very often?
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I've bought several (more than 7) still being used by family and friends and have not needed to replace anything. But then I always bought "mint" 9/10 or 10/10.
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When trying to get another screen the replacement screens cost more than damn near just buying 2 complete bad esi or slightly cracked phones. So I figured why pay for a screen when I can buy a complete soonersoft lg v30 for half.
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Makes sense. I'd noticed that replacement screens are still pretty expensive, prices haven't come down as much as I would have expected. Kind of drives home that a high-bezel case and screen protector are a good idea if there's any gravel within a mile.
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I feel like I'm being interogated here lol.... Any other questions??
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Silicone actually works I've torture tested the sh&t out of it . Ugly and messy but works in case you were wondering ..
Obviously I have too much time on my hands
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Pfft, we haven't even started with the questions yet. I have the lads setting up the waterboarding rig next door.
Ooh, passive antitheft; random thieves are unlikely to grab a phone that can't be mistaken for a stock Samscum or Apple at a glance :v
Looks pretty cool, though. I was considering doing a clear-back mod, but I have other things in mind for this round. What kind of coating did they use for the glass coloring; just straight paint, or was it a peel-able layer?
I did think that automotive RTV sealant/gasket-maker would work awesomely for waterproofing, but...being resistant to heat, aren't these silicon-based adhesives considerably harder to pull back apart?
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I've bought several (more than 7) still being used by family and friends and have not needed to replace anything. But then I always bought "mint" 9/10 or 10/10.
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:good:
I tried my best to buy a minimally-or undamaged one with an unscratched screen. If there's to be damage to my phone, I want it to be my fault. Unscratched H932-BK/UBKs are rather uncommon, so it took a bit of patience.
The one I've got coming tomorrow is said to have spent all its life in an Otterbox Defender with one of those crappy-but-effective plastic-sticker screen protectors on front. It only has a busted back due to a one-in-a-million impact; toddler enthusiastically ran his head into it while it was in the owner's pocket.
I'm uh...guessing the kid's head is made of granite, as apparently only the phone received damage despite his headbutting it that hard through one of the thickest cases on the market
I haven't tried to pull it apart this particular v30 I wasn't planning on taking it apart if my personal ip rating held up during the tests. I got the idea because my neighbor had one of those face cleaner things called clearsonic pro or something close to that anyway. It was a product sold I think towards the end of the 2008 or so. Designed to be used in water environments and waterproofed for this reason. Her unit stopped working so I volunteered to fix it. I cut it open and replaced the batteries but then had to figure out how to seal it up to be used in a wet environment again . So I bought just regular GE silicone sealant at home Depot and spewed it everywhere threw 4 clamps on it and left it alone. I waited a couple days and then cut the excess off then went to town drenching the cut line with super glue. Waited then dremmel sanded it down and it worked great. As I said I have too much time on my hands. I didn't use caulking silicone just regular silicone.
The only reason I even try this stuff is because the prices for lg v30's that are blemished are dirt dirt cheap now. I didn't touch my first one I think it was 900 or something back a few years
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Wrong thread for this but there's no rctd present on my twrp flashed pie stock build and the performance is not great lots of lag compared to Oreo builds any ideas?
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Wrong thread for this but there's no rctd present on my twrp flashed pie stock build and the performance is not great lots of lag compared to Oreo builds any ideas?
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I won't tell the mods we're off-topic if you won't. Shhh.
Have you tried the extremely dumb LG Bridge trick/fix thing? I believe it mainly helps with memory management, but it seems like I saw a couple people say it also helped Pie not run like crap in general.
This kind of thing is why I'll be sticking with Oreo...in my opinion Pie doesn't have enough compelling new features to justify dealing with the ROM's immaturity, and some of them annoy me (notification handling) or actively piss me off (location settings neuter).
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I haven't tried to pull it apart this particular v30 I wasn't planning on taking it apart if my personal ip rating held up during the tests.
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Yea, "if it ain't broke, don't encourage it to break". I can dig it.
I just tried taking it apart and the ring around the scanner surface can be detached, but not the surface itself.
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I just tried taking it apart and the ring around the scanner surface can be detached, but not the surface itself.
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Thanks!
Not at all what I expected...so we have a scanner plate, base plate made out of steel, and then the aluminum anodized ring.
Did it come off easily? Looks like they used the same double-sided tape/gasket that everything else is held together with.