Audio is far inferior to V20 - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Guides, News, & Discussion

Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.

tomplatz said:
Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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So what was your purpose of buying a Note then if you had no intention of using the pen? Seems you bought it for all the wrong reasons and decided to post here to get others to sway away from the Note 8.

Just information others might find useful sir. Not trying to sway anyone in any direction.

You are comparing a phone that was made for quality audio to a phone that wasn't.
Now, LG V20 stylus is inferior compared to the Notes.

"audio quality is important"... what the Note 8 could do was known before you ordered it. Sorry but all one had to do is search and then look at the history of Galaxy phones in regards to sound. For me the word 'NOTE" says it all. Now.. again for ME... MUSIC? Yeah.. not going with any phone

After my Note 7 Fiasco I got the LG v20. The sound was good on it. But I don't listen to anything on my phones anyway. The phone it's self was ok at best. The LG v30 will be the same. Lg is incapable of making a phone with the build quality like the Note. I can tell by looking at the v30 that it is going to feel cheap.

tomplatz said:
Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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Opinions are always welcome but your opinion is of the "duh really" variety. If you want the best sound get a V10, V20, or V30 when it arrives. For that matter I'll trade you my U11 straight up, if music is that important to you.
Enjoy your Note8.

jason504 said:
After my Note 7 Fiasco I got the LG v20. The sound was good on it. But I don't listen to anything on my phones anyway. The phone it's self was ok at best. The LG v30 will be the same. Lg is incapable of making a phone with the build quality like the Note. I can tell by looking at the v30 that it is going to feel cheap.
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Agreed, I got the LG V20 and regretted it quickly. Loved the audio, but not much else.

Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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tomplatz said:
Tested back to back with my wife's V20 using the included AKG earbuds using a high fidelity flac file of the Allman Brothers song Old Friend, which is two acoustic guitars with strong vocals. Night and day, there was far more detail and less hiss using the V20. Tested also with hih quality flac files of Metallica and Andrea Bocelli. Same. Far more detail.
Used Poweramp Alpha with high fidelity output enabled. Nothing scientific, just back to hack.
I mostly like the Note 8 otherwise, but for sound quality alone I think I'll return for the V30 when it comes out. Haven't Used the S Pen hardly at all, which surprised me. For me, audio quality is important.
Just one man''s opinion.
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Question...... How did u get hi-res? I had it on my note 4, but not on the note 8. Same apk even

See it's not there

tomplatz said:
Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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It was kind of a given with the V20's quad-dac, but appreciated none the less

Death-Dealer said:
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I'm not sure, just downloaded v704 and ran. Also purchased poweramp unlocked, maybe that?

tomplatz said:
I'm not sure, just downloaded v704 and ran. Also purchased poweramp unlocked, maybe that?
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I have 703, and same on the note 4. How did u get 704? I go on the poweramp website and go to download but there no link to click on.

704 is only available from the Poweramp forum. It's easy to find there.

tomplatz said:
Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Agreed, I got the LG V20 and regretted it quickly. Loved the audio, but not much else.
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I'm no the same boat...i actually got the v20 too after returning the note 7....i too wasn't too happy with the V20...i missed the note 7 camera and stylus. Can't wait to get the note 8...
but agree...the audio for the v20 was pretty good...
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tomplatz said:
Wow. Harsh crowd. Sorry y'all were so offended. Was just sharing intel/opinion that might be useful to prospective buyers.
In any case, hope the discussion is useful to someone. It's still a stellar piece of engineering.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Agreed, I got the LG V20 and regretted it quickly. Loved the audio, but not much else.
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I'm on the same boat...i actually got the v20 too after returning the note 7....i too wasn't too happy with the V20...i missed the note 7 camera and stylus. Can't wait to get the note 8...
but agree...the audio for the v20 was pretty good...

When I first receive my Note 8. I was despised with how it sounds.
I think you want to make your own adapt sound setting first. only then it sounds good. really good.
Listen with Tidal and Neuron. boy. it sounds so good!!
Adapt sound on note 8 is much more better than adapt sound on my last note 3

Yeah amhave to agree with everyone else. If audio is important, LG V10/30 is for you.
Comparing quad dacs to what Samsung offers is not an even match.

If audio is important, i would advise you to get a separate audio device. I have note 8 as my daily driver for work, personal and games. I own a DP-CM1X for audio with 2.5mm balanced cable to my im03.

intruda119 said:
Yeah amhave to agree with everyone else. If audio is important, LG V10/30 is for you.
Comparing quad dacs to what Samsung offers is not an even match.
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I have the Note FE, Note 8 and LG V20.
Note 8 is much better than the Note FE but no way as good as the V20 when you use 24 bit music (Lossless). But I believe most consumers use streaming services which use high but rate MP3s so most so consumers would be happy with the Note 8. I am not which is why I use a dedicated Sony NW ZX300 DAP.

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[Q] Fluctuating/Auto volume issue

Since there's no Q&A forum for this phone (yet), I'll try in here.
I've noticed this morning, when listening to my music through my earphones, that the volume tends to subtly fluctuate - perhaps slightly reducing the volume on the louder parts of songs.
I don't like this (it's not even at max volume either) - is there a way to stop it? I've looked in the music player's settings and also the sound settings for the phone itself, but no luck.
This is my first Samsung Andrdoid so if I'm missing something common to these, feel free to hit me with the noob stick
You've got the SGS II already?
You are probably in the wrong forum, mate.
Nope, he is not.
Some lucky dawgs got it through P4U.
I got it yesterday afternoon from Phones4U, although I think I've sorted this problem out now. I think it was related to the bass enhancement setting, because I disabled that and it's not doing it anymore (or it's no longer noticeable).
r2001uk said:
I got it yesterday afternoon from Phones4U, although I think I've sorted this problem out now. I think it was related to the bass enhancement setting, because I disabled that and it's not doing it anymore (or it's no longer noticeable).
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Big question how do you find the sound quality what headphones are you using? Thanks
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I'm using Soundmagic PL30's and the sound is great, although I did notice a bit of crappines when I had the bass enhancement on and turned it right up. Now I have it on Auto/Rock EQ with no effects - perfect for my needs.
I've yet to test the phone's speaker.
I don't have the phone and only played with android briefly before, but in theory, what you are describing is known as "normalizing", where the device tries to make the songs sound as even as possible. This results in capped louder parts and sometimes increased quieter parts. Is there any option like this in the equalizer?
May I say... Congratulation and I HATE YOU... J.K...
Post up some more details of what you DISLIKE of it so far
r2001uk said:
I'm using Soundmagic PL30's and the sound is great, although I did notice a bit of crappines when I had the bass enhancement on and turned it right up. Now I have it on Auto/Rock EQ with no effects - perfect for my needs.
I've yet to test the phone's speaker.
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Actually PL30 are slightly bass heavy themselves and at best average if sgs2 sound is even somewhat like sgs. If u really want something better without breaking bank get brainwavz M1 or nuforce ne6 if you prefer boomier bass. This phone does deserve more than PL30.
PL30 respond very badly to presets on SGS1 as well.
Magically posted from thin air!
Aw, I only bought these a couple of weeks ago!
I'll bear your recommendations in mind though, thanks.
Actually, the earphones that came with it look better (not the awful standard things you usually get). I probably won't open them though.
Edit: no normalization option, Deathangel. It sounds ok now anyway
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r2001uk said:
Aw, I only bought these a couple of weeks ago!
I'll bear your recommendations in mind though, thanks.
Actually, the earphones that came with it look better (not the awful standard things you usually get). I probably won't open them though.
Edit: no normalization option, Deathangel. It sounds ok now anyway
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Awesome!!! Congrats!!! Hoping to get the phone soon here too. ready to wait though! Glad to hear that the phone has nice audio quality
can someone do the video about the box unboxing?
squallkns said:
can someone do the video about the box unboxing?
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Not a video but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13255059&postcount=103
Audio quality is much better than stock SGS using Sony Ericsson HBH-DS980. Rocking to a few tunes before making up my mind on the quality.
Intratech said:
Not a video but: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13255059&postcount=103
Audio quality is much better than stock SGS using Sony Ericsson HBH-DS980. Rocking to a few tunes before making up my mind on the quality.
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Really? The Yamaha DAC that was included can actually best the Wolfson 8994? I've been torn between the SGSII and the Sensation for quite a while now. This tips the scales in the GSII's favor.
P.S.- How does it compare to an SGS with the Supercurio Voodoo mod?
It's very close mate. I haven't done a proper comparison between them but I get a full range from Bass, mid and treble using PowerAMP to listen to music with the SGS II. I'd say it maybe slightly better than the SGS with Voodoo if I had to chose.
squallkns said:
can someone do the video about the box unboxing?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKOP8u9Cy7w
NitroOnTheRocks said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKOP8u9Cy7w
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I read your channel as Hemorrhoidsnet mate.
Intratech said:
I read your channel as Hemorrhoidsnet mate.
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I'm not Hemorrhoidsnet, I just found this video on a Dutch blogging site.
This seems the best thread to ask...
I'm looking for the best earbuds I can get for £30 or less (preferably less of course) for the highest quality listening. I'm hoping to use the SGSII in place of my iTouch since it can play FLAC natively!
Any help/suggestions is greatly appreciated!

S3 Audio Quality

Hey all!
Just wanted to share my opinion ...
I personally think after using S3 for about a Week now, that S3's Audio Quality "is far superior in Comparison to an iPhone or hTc Beats".
I've used these both.
Does someone else thinks the same, or is it my Love for S3 which makes me believe this ???
(Headset Sound)
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mustafa.millwala said:
Hey all!
Just wanted to share my opinion ...
I personally think after using S3 for about a Week now, that S3's Audio Quality "is far superior in Comparison to an iPhone or hTc Beats".
I've used these both.
Does someone else thinks the same, or is it my Love for S3 which makes me believe this ???
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As per other SGS3 audio posts try reading them many say not loud enough .
Personally i will not disagree with your viewpoint .
jje
I love the quality but don't think it goes loud enough; its noticeably more quiet than my S2.
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You could give franco's kernel a try, he has boosted the volume significantly and it sounds great without impacting the audio quality.
Highly recommend it, and the bonus of better battery life too
Olywa
Like I've said before, listen to a Nokia N95 speaker or headphones and you'll realise how poor S3 really is.
Michael_P said:
Like I've said before, listen to a Nokia N95 speaker or headphones and you'll realise how poor S3 really is.
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If you listen to an Xperia X8 it is better then the nokia and the s3 speaker you can actually almost hear the bass lol..
Meemo23 said:
If you listen to an Xperia X8 it is better then the nokia and the s3 speaker you can actually almost hear the bass lol..
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Yeah I have heard plenty SE and a few Motorola phones that put shame to Samsung phones.

Nothing announced at Mobile World Congress is going to make me give up my Nexus 6P

http://www.androidguys.com/2016/02/...ress-is-going-to-make-me-give-up-my-nexus-6p/
Lol, I've seen a lot of chatter about the S7 and S7 Edge on this board lately and now this. I get the feeling a lot of people are scrambling to justify their ownership of the 6P now that the latest and greatest have been announced.
I get it, I've been there. My best advice is to enjoy your 6P if it's the phone that really fits your needs and you are genuinely happy with it. However, if you are posting about other phones, there is already something deep down inside you that is intrigued in a new phone. Trust me, I know. I get that feeling much too often, hence me being a phone junkie.
The 6P is a good stock Android phone, but there are new big boys on the block now. Just the way this industry works.
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Lol, I've seen a lot of chatter about the S7 and S7 Edge on this board lately and now this. I get the feeling a lot of people are scrambling to justify their ownership of the 6P now that the latest and greatest have been announced.
I get it, I've been there. My best advice is to enjoy your 6P if it's the phone that really fits your needs and you are genuinely happy with it. However, if you are posting about other phones, there is already something deep down inside you that is intrigued in a new phone. Trust me, I know. I get that feeling much too often, hence me being a phone junkie.
The 6P is a good stock Android phone, but there are new big boys on the block now. Just the way this industry works.
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Maybe he's just not a fan of Samsung or LG???
I couldn't get rid of My Note 5 fast enough...the software is terrible. It lagged all over the place and TouchWiz, though better than it used to be, is still not very "pretty".
My fiancee still has her Note 5, but wishes she would have gotten the Nexus 6P whenever she uses my phone. She's always complaining to me how her phone constantly freezes up, and random reboots here and there. The RAM management is horrible on the Note 5.
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Maybe he's just not a fan of Samsung or LG???
I couldn't get rid of My Note 5 fast enough...the software is terrible. It lagged all over the place and TouchWiz, though better than it used to be, is still not very "pretty".
My fiancee still has her Note 5, but wishes she would have gotten the Nexus 6P whenever she uses my phone. She's always complaining to me how her phone constantly freezes up, and random reboots here and there. The RAM management is horrible on the Note 5.
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Who says Samsung and LG are the only manufacturers? There seems to be solid offerings from companies like Alcatel and Xiaomi coming too. And HTC.
As to your other points, they are fair enough. Samsung and other heavy handed skins definitely aren't for everyone. And I whole heartedly agree that the ram management on the S6 and Note 5 was straight trash.
So in the end, it's definitely different strokes for different folks.
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Who says Samsung and LG are the only manufacturers? There seems to be solid offerings from companies like Alcatel and Xiaomi coming too. And HTC.
As to your other points, they are fair enough. Samsung and other heavy handed skins definitely aren't for everyone. And I whole heartedly agree that the ram management on the S6 and Note 5 was straight trash.
So in the end, it's definitely different strokes for different folks.
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I would get the mii 5, or the s7 edge in a heartbeat it they had a skin like motorola's or like sony's pretty much stock android, with just minimal changes and another camera app , but I had a Note 4 and the software was terrible (lollipop), I had it 2 months and sold it, because I didn't want to put of with touchwiz anymore :/
Keeping my 6p but I am interested in the G5 music DAC for use on my 6p tho. Just hope it's not too expensive
boxcar8028 said:
Keeping my 6p but I am interested in the G5 music DAC for use on my 6p tho. Just hope it's not too expensive
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How in the world are you gonna use the G5 DAC on your 6P?
WizeGuyDezignz said:
How in the world are you gonna use the G5 DAC on your 6P?
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It's reported that it can be use as a standalone DAC.
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It's reported that it can be use as a standalone DAC.
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Oh, that's sweet, I didn't know about that.
I have seen nothing that would take me away from a Nexus let alone my 6p, I have had them all before use to love HTC my note 2 was a good phone and my last LG was a lagtastic affair
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It's reported that it can be use as a standalone DAC.
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Really? Where did you see that? I'm just curious. I have a Nexus 6P and HTC One M9. My 6P is my daliy driver 90% of the time. However, when i'm at home and if I want to listen to music or watch the many TV shows i see, I will use my M9. IMO it sounds a lot better with headphones. Sometimes I take both phones to work and will use my M9 to listen to music as i'm working.
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Really? Where did you see that? I'm just curious. I have a Nexus 6P and HTC One M9. My 6P is my daliy driver 90% of the time. However, when i'm at home and if I want to listen to music or watch the many TV shows i see, I will use my M9. IMO it sounds a lot better with headphones. Sometimes I take both phones to work and will use my M9 to listen to music as i'm working.
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I read it in some Android news site like the Android Police or the Android Authority I forget where but it's reported to be also a standalone DAC with type-C and 3.5m jack but not sure about bluetooth. Other DAC can be found in Amazon from around $20.00 and up. The V10 has a built in DAC that's supposed to be awesome hopefully the G5 DAC from B&O should be pretty good. Yeah, this set up with Viper! :good::good::good:

Speaker Strength in db

How much the G5 speaker strength in db?
I hope it same as G4 or G3 NOT V10
Is any news about speaker strength??
Dude the phone is not even out yet.... Give it some time. Very few people have the phone right now. I have used it but that's it
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Ok,,let's waiting.....
jan george said:
How much the G5 speaker strength in db?
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I can't find it now but there was one pre-production review from one of the better Android sites that said the speaker sounded really good. They actually devoted a small paragraph to it.
MN_Bug said:
I can't find it now but there was one pre-production review from one of the better Android sites that said the speaker sounded really good. They actually devoted a small paragraph to it.
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Good news..thanks?
73db..i think its good enough
http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_g5-review-1416p6.php
I heard/read that its really good, but to be honest there are quite a number of super-portable speakers under the $30 range that beat even the best smartphone speakers.

audio chip exynox version

Does anybody knows the audio chip of the international version?
you will have to wait some time before we figure this out
https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws...le/solution/MobileProcessor-9-Series-9810.pdf
As long as I read this,
It seems like built-in SoC. 32bit/384kHz
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https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws...le/solution/MobileProcessor-9-Series-9810.pdf
As long as I read this,
It seems like built-in SoC. 32bit/384kHz
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But...also the specs are talking about 4k/120fps....I am wondering if we get also an sound amplifier, something similar to LG Vxx series....?
If they're saying sounds 1.4 x louder on the plus i would reckon so right?
Fingers crossed
Waiting for more info on this as well. Thinking of retiring my v20 and getting this instead.
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But...also the specs are talking about 4k/120fps....I am wondering if we get also an sound amplifier, something similar to LG Vxx series....?
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[email protected] was disabled in the Exynos chip in order to be in the same specs as Snapdragon users, because Snapdragon is limited currently to [email protected]
demonknight said:
Waiting for more info on this as well. Thinking of retiring my v20 and getting this instead.
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If they're saying sounds 1.4 x louder on the plus i would reckon so right?
Fingers crossed
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I have been in different stores trying the speakers, and I have to say they sound nice pretty nice and loud. I never buy phones with no dual speaker configuration, and for the first time Samsung is doing this, I have to say I'm pretty impressed. About the headphone jack, I wouldn't be able to say, but I think most of the phones are in the same level except for LG V line.
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[email protected] was disabled in the Exynos chip in order to be in the same specs as Snapdragon users, because Snapdragon is limited currently to [email protected]
I have been in different stores trying the speakers, and I have to say they sound nice pretty nice and loud. I never buy phones with no dual speaker configuration, and for the first time Samsung is doing this, I have to say I'm pretty impressed. About the headphone jack, I wouldn't be able to say, but I think most of the phones are in the same level except for LG V line.
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But I want a Samsung phone to be in the VXX class
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But I want a Samsung phone to be in the VXX class
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I think many of us would like that, but they didn't say anything about a special DAC, so I doubt they implemented something really special for audio.
Galaxo60 said:
I think many of us would like that, but they didn't say anything about a special DAC, so I doubt they implemented something really special for audio.
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Sigh. Wish they did. I love the v20 but the lack of updates on LGs part is just pitiful. Still on 7.0 with Dec security patch. Nice camera, Excellent audio output through the jack [what i care about].
Might as well buy a dedicated dac and the s9.
Edit: What would be a good DAC to buy?
Chord mojo
demonknight said:
Sigh. Wish they did. I love the v20 but the lack of updates on LGs part is just pitiful. Still on 7.0 with Dec security patch. Nice camera, Excellent audio output through the jack [what i care about].
Might as well buy a dedicated dac and the s9.
Edit: What would be a good DAC to buy?
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Honestly, I don't care that much about if they use a specialized DAC or nor as long as it sounds decent. I was more worried about the speakers, but they sound really nice.
Usually I'm not much time with headphones, maybe 1-2 times per month, but everyday I see videos and I appreciate a lot the stereo speakers, which are really good.
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Chord mojo
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Looks good! But slightly beyond what i can buy especially after buying the s9+ :silly:
How does this look?
https://www.nextdrive-spectra.io/
It's around 149 bucks on amazon.
So apparantly it's running the latest cirrus logic we will have to wait a bit for root to tell exactly which one. Sound is great through high end headphones, rich sound louder than the s8
skivnit said:
So apparantly it's running the latest cirrus logic we will have to wait a bit for root to tell exactly which one. Sound is great through high end headphones, rich sound louder than the s8
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High impedance?
I have the Amiron and DT 770 80 ohm and the volume level in the S8 is too low.
If S9 is louder I'm seriously considering a switch
inflames91 said:
High impedance?
I have the Amiron and DT 770 80 ohm and the volume level in the S8 is too low.
If S9 is louder I'm seriously considering a switch
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Its definitely louder but I only have low impedance headphones, I can't check it for you sorry
skivnit said:
Its definitely louder but I only have low impedance headphones, I can't check it for you sorry
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Guess will have to wait for Dolby to be ported to the S8 before rooting.
Sounds quite good with the sound personalisation (test tones) all with "yes" - using AK T8ie mkII it sounds pretty credible.
Dolby Atmos is a major turn-off to me though
It does sound different to the Note 8 (both international versions), more authorative - so, definitely feels like an upgrade.
The audio chip in the S9+ is the same as in the S8 series.
Cirrus Logic CS47L93 Audio Codec.
Source:
http://techinsights.com/about-techinsights/overview/blog/samsung-galaxy-s9-teardown/
That's odd as theres mo such thing on their website

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