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It seems like the camcorder is much higher quality, seems odd, since it's coming from the same lens. Even just switching between the two, the camcorder doesn't have as much viewing angle, and everything seems much sharper.
Anyone else notice this?
I have noticed it.
Wider angle = more in the picture = lower quality.
It's the same 5mp camera for both the camcorder and camera but since the camera has a wider viewing angle, more is in the picture at once and it decreases the relative resolution.
Unsure how it has a wider viewing angle, it is the same hardware.
My camcorder video always comes out looking nicer than my photos, even after I lower the resolution on the photos to 1280x720 after the picture is taken. The camera should natively look nicer on the small screen, since it's a larger resolution snapshot.
You probably just aren't holding the phone as still as you think you are. Try resting it on something stable when you are taking pictures if possible. Also, make sure you are holding down the shutter button to focus before you let go.
Done this, camera appears more blurry on the display even before taking a picture. Camcorder appears much more sharp and vivid.
knigitz said:
Unsure how it has a wider viewing angle, it is the same hardware.
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The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
spitefulcheerio said:
The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
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Partially correct, the camera physically moves to focus, but it's not changing the viewing angle. http://www.newscaletech.com/phone_camera.html
The resolution is changed within the app, it just crops the image. Camcorder is just likely sampling at a higher rate so there's less noise, and the stock camera app on the atrix is terrible.
spitefulcheerio said:
The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
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The term "fixed lens" is ambiguous, since it doesn't specify which aspect is "fixed."
The Atrix camera module has a fixed focal length lens (i.e. not a zoom lens), but it is not a fixed focus lens (i.e. it has variable focus, in this case autofocus). The "zoom" function is just digital zoom, electronically cropping the image.
In video capture mode, the camera is cropping a section of the sensor, rather than using its full area as in still camera mode. (This increases the apparent focal length of the lens, but it's not actually changing the optics.) The video mode probably does this so that the resolution in the portion of the sensor used is a regular multiple of the video capture resolution, which can greatly simplify the image processing requirements.
Regarding the OP's original question, the viewfinder image appears sharper in video capture mode, but if you actually capture still and video images of the same scene, the still images are sharper. The better looking viewfinder in video mode is probably a result of the same reason they only use a cropped section of the sensor. It's like if you view an image in Photoshop at 25% size, it looks great because it's easy to scale the pixels that way, but if you view it at some usual magnification like 43%, it looks fuzzy.
At the launch of the device was discussed a lot about the quality of photos taken in 20MP and 8MP where 8Mp said it had more detail and color that pictures taken with 20MP. By way of doubt, I always use to take my 20MP photos. I wonder if it came to a conclusion on which is better?
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At the launch of the device was discussed a lot about the quality of photos taken in 20MP and 8MP where 8Mp said it had more detail and color that pictures taken with 20MP. By way of doubt, I always use to take my 20MP photos. I wonder if it came to a conclusion on which is better?
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The closer you are to the maxium of the cameras capability the worse the quality
Lower MP= less noise, better bitrate n quality
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Envious_Data said:
The closer you are to the maxium of the cameras capability the worse the quality
Lower MP= less noise, better bitrate n quality
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Ie 8Mp is better than 20MP!
I can not see where this makes sense!
What about 15MP ?!?
Envious_Data said:
The closer you are to the maxium of the cameras capability the worse the quality
Lower MP= less noise, better bitrate n quality
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Is this only for camera phone sensors? My 20Mp Cybershot gives way better pictures at 20Mp than at lower resolution?
Batfink33 said:
Is this only for camera phone sensors? My 20Mp Cybershot gives way better pictures at 20Mp than at lower resolution?
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If your talking about cybershot profetional cameras then resolution doesnt matter, noise, quality, sharpness is the same across all
Its just mobile phone cameras which effect with picture resolution
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Envious_Data said:
If your talking about cybershot profetional cameras then resolution doesnt matter, noise, quality, sharpness is the same across all
Its just mobile phone cameras which effect with picture resolution
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Ahhhh OK. I wonder how long it will be before phone cameras are as good as proper cameras. Its annoying having to buy and carry around two devices.
Batfink33 said:
Ahhhh OK. I wonder how long it will be before phone cameras are as good as proper cameras. Its annoying having to buy and carry around two devices.
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Not realy, 2MP is a 1080p shot, and using manual with the right settings with Z2 literely almost looks as good as a profetional camera
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BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Ie 8Mp is better than 20MP!
I can not see where this makes sense!
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When you want to get text, 8mp looks better than 20mp
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
What about 15MP ?!?
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15mP = 16:9 crop of 20MP
One Twelve said:
When you want to get text, 8mp looks better than 20mp
15mP = 16:9 crop of 20MP
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So if I take a trip, take pictures of nature, landscapes, family, etc., would you recommend me 8Mp??
Question on details, colors, sharpness ... 8Mp is better than 20MP? I've tried to take the same picture at different resolutions and I can not notice a difference! Via doubts left in 20MP!
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
So if I take a trip, take pictures of nature, landscapes, family, etc., would you recommend me 8Mp??
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This is a subtle one, If you zoom in a little the 8MP will look better but if you zoom in more the 20MP will reveal more structure, but if you zoom in still further the details in 20MP will look more blurred. if you look at ISO charts on gsmarena for Z2 you will see this. Text is more clear in 8MP than 20MP.
20mP means bigger prints possible or little more zoom but not too much
pictures of nature. landscapes in 20MP
family in 8MP
family with nature in the background in 8MP as they are the subject
scene mode shots are all 8MP unless you use mods
Where/What is the subject in the shot ? if its in the foreground you can get way with less resolution and it will look better. This is the strategy if you have 4mp HTC one. You must go closer to your subject then zoom is not required.
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Question on details, colors, sharpness ... 8Mp is better than 20MP? I've tried to take the same picture at different resolutions and I can not notice a difference! Via doubts left in 20MP!
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8MP will be sharper than 20MP but will not allow to zoom as much.
3.5MP will be sharper than 8MP, if no zoom necessary then use 3.5MP for better shot.
One Twelve said:
This is a subtle one, If you zoom in a little the 8MP will look better but if you zoom in more the 20MP will reveal more structure, but if you zoom in still further the details in 20MP will look more blurred. if you look at ISO charts on gsmarena for Z2 you will see this. Text is more clear in 8MP than 20MP.
20mP means bigger prints possible or little more zoom but not too much
pictures of nature. landscapes in 20MP
family in 8MP
family with nature in the background in 8MP as they are the subject
scene mode shots are all 8MP unless you use mods
Where/What is the subject in the shot ? if its in the foreground you can get way with less resolution and it will look better. This is the strategy if you have 4mp HTC one. You must go closer to your subject then zoom is not required.
8MP will be sharper than 20MP but will not allow to zoom as much.
3.5MP will be sharper than 8MP, if no zoom necessary then use 3.5MP for better shot.
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It's totally different than I really thought! Of course, I am aware that the sensor counts a lot, but I thought the more MP image would have more details, sharpness and colors! I'll try to take pictures and see the difference!
Try 2MP in low light, you will be suprised.
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BR4DOKYBrazil said:
It's totally different than I really thought! Of course, I am aware that the sensor counts a lot, but I thought the more MP image would have more details, sharpness and colors! I'll try to take pictures and see the difference!
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it is counter intuitive. The bigger sensor with over sampling helps to make better lower resolution pictures.
The thing is oversampling is only there in auto or scene mode. In manual there is no oversampling at lower resolutions.
I always wonder if there is some over sampling software on pc, if so then you take everything in 20MP and just resize on the pc.
One Twelve said:
it is counter intuitive. The bigger sensor with over sampling helps to make better lower resolution pictures.
The thing is oversampling is only there in auto or scene mode. In manual there is no oversampling at lower resolutions.
I always wonder if there is some over sampling software on pc, if so then you take everything in 20MP and just resize on the pc.
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One Twelve, could you explain me what exactly is "oversampling" and what it does?
simple explanation is when there are more pixels it is easier for the software to estimate where the edges are and clean them up and reduce noise so the photo looks sharper when reducing the resolution. What you get is a better approximation. See this post.
But there is a trade off between sharpness over depth of detail with lower resolutions.
One Twelve said:
simple explanation is when there are more pixels it is easier for the software to estimate where the edges are and clean them up and reduce noise so the photo looks sharper when reducing the resolution. What you get is a better approximation. See this post.
But there is a trade off between sharpness over depth of detail with lower resolutions.
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Tks so much @One Twelve !!!!
One Twelve said:
it is counter intuitive. The bigger sensor with over sampling helps to make better lower resolution pictures.
The thing is oversampling is only there in auto or scene mode. In manual there is no oversampling at lower resolutions.
I always wonder if there is some over sampling software on pc, if so then you take everything in 20MP and just resize on the pc.
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use windows 8/8.1
open the picture using paint
right click on the picture then choose open with
then choose ( paint )
after opening the picture press on the arrow under the select option in the toolbar and choose select all
then choose resize from the toolbar (next to the select option)
you will see a small window
in the resize section select pixels
if you want to change the aspect ratio then unselect the option ( maintain aspect ratio )
then press OK .
you will find that the size was changed
press crop (make sure not to click on the picture before croping) (the crop option is above resize)
then click on the file menu then choose save as. then choose the format and the location.
enjoy
MWMDEV said:
use windows 8/8.1
open the picture using paint
right click on the picture then choose open with
then choose ( paint )
after opening the picture press on the arrow under the select option in the toolbar and choose select all
then choose resize from the toolbar (next to the select option)
you will see a small window
in the resize section select pixels
if you want to change the aspect ratio then unselect the option ( maintain aspect ratio )
then press OK .
you will find that the size was changed
press crop (make sure not to click on the picture before croping) (the crop option is above resize)
then click on the file menu then choose save as. then choose the format and the location.
enjoy
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This is a resize. Does it oversample though ? that means looking at neighbouring pixels and making a better pixel out of them.
I would recommend 8MP , because of the SCN modes they provide . SCN [sports] will limits the shutter speed to minimum 120fps image , which is clear in high movement scenarios and when images are taken at night .
phperera said:
I would recommend 8MP , because of the SCN modes they provide . SCN [sports] will limits the shutter speed to minimum 120fps image , which is clear in high movement scenarios and when images are taken at night .
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+1 agree, I use 8mp because of SCN modes, especially Landscapes mode .
Helo everybody,
I am wondering if there is a way to lock F2.4 lens with 2x zoom no matter lighting conditions? I am so frustrated when we get digital zoom instead of 2x optical zoom because of bad (under 100 lux) in worse than optimal light. It's F2.4 optical stablised lens so why digital zoom? That sucks don't you think..?
honestly, you'll be surprised on how bad the tele lens in capturing light.
You can play with this. Go to live focus mode, turn the blur effect all the way down. This will force the tele lens to be used. Make sure dual capture is ON.
Now go to your gallery and find that pic, compare the picture in Close up Vs. Wide. You'll be surprised on the difference between the two lens.
What boggled me more is the fact that the tele lens is the one that they used for the Slomo mode. You would think that they would use the main lens with brighter aperture for something that requires soooo much light.
Hej guys, I was wondering if my Mate has a problem with its lenses. As far as I understand it, there are three different lenses for wide, normal and zoom. The zoom lens is supposed to be the one under the flash.
But I can't activate that lens. Yes, I can zoom 3x, 5x. But the picture still comes from the normal lens, which I found out by putting something in front of the lenses to see which one blacks out. The lens under the flash is just never used, no matter what zoom setting I choose. So it seems like the zoom images are taken with the normal lens and digital zoom instead of the zoom lens.
Am I missing something? What do I have to do to activate the zoom lens ?
As you probably already know, there is more than one way to take close-up pictures with your P30 Pro. You can use the dedicated Super Macro mode (found under More in your stock camera app) or manually set the focus to macro in Pro mode. However, two years of experience have taught me that by far the best way to take really crisp macro shots with my phone is not an obvious one. In fact, I bet you have never even tried it.
You see, our phone comes with 2 primary lenses, each with its own sensor. The main lens boasts a 40MP sensor, making it the default choice for your everyday shots, while the wide secondary lens has a 20MP sensor, which makes it sound a little underwhelming. However, when it comes to macro photography, the wide lens has one major advantage over its big brother - a much shorter minimum focus distance. This allows you to bring the lens much closer to your subject before the image becomes blurry. So to take superior close-up shots with your P30 Pro, all you have to do is switch to the wide lens by selecting the Wide picture mode in the camera app. You can combine this with the dedicated HDR mode (found under More in your stock camera app) to eliminate any unwanted shadows. However, be aware that at such close proximity to the subject the autofocus can no longer be relied on. So manual focusing is strongly recommended.
Below are some sample pictures taken by each lens at their minimum focus distance.
40MP Primary Lens at minimum focus distance:
https://ibb.co/61kjmDQ
40MP Primary Lens, Closer Look:
https://ibb.co/ftpmCnx
20MP Secondary (Wide) Lens at minimum focus distance:
https://ibb.co/f4J7rCD
20MP Secondary (Wide) Lens, Closer Look:
https://ibb.co/dktkjqH
As you can see, the wide lens was able to capture far superior detail at minimum focusing distance compared to the 40MP shot. In real life application this means less cropping and more pictures like these:
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
https://ibb.co/1TtJHyz
https://ibb.co/Qb8PfNh
Have fun with your Macro shots!
That's really informative, and the difference in detail in your pics is quite stark. I'll try your suggestions for myself.
Thanks
That last pic is stunning!
I would add something to this post : shoot in RAW. You'll need to post-process the pictures, but the results are way much better regarding color, sharpness and lighting than what the auto mode can provide !
Quick comparison :
Auto mode :
https://ibb.co/QfzW5F3
RAW file manually edited :
https://ibb.co/bmWmmLq
I can assure you this flower wasn't anywhere near pink !
All the colours are different between those two pics, not just the flower. What does post-processing involve?
It's actually up to you. The RAW file only offers you a lot more freedom, with greater dynamic range and sharpness than a jpg file. You can crop and still get a perfectly sharp picture, you can play with lighting, shadows, colors ... to get exactly what you want.
In my case, a better quality and a more realistic / natural look. Most of the time, I get oversaturated pictures, with an exaggerated HDR effect and lack of detail using the auto mode (and I'm not only talking about macrophotography).
Regarding this specific RAW picture, I cropped and increased saturation and texture using Photoshop. The whole process took no more than ten minutes.
To give you an idea, here is what it looks like unedited : https://ibb.co/3mVKFbX
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It's actually up to you. The RAW file only offers you a lot more freedom, with greater dynamic range and sharpness than a jpg file. You can crop and still get a perfectly sharp picture, you can play with lighting, shadows, colors ... to get exactly what you want.
In my case, a better quality and a more realistic / natural look. Most of the time, I get oversaturated pictures, with an exaggerated HDR effect and lack of detail using the auto mode (and I'm not only talking about macrophotography).
Regarding this specific RAW picture, I cropped and increased saturation and texture using Photoshop. The whole process took no more than ten minutes.
To give you an idea, here is what it looks like unedited : https://ibb.co/3mVKFbX
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I do enjoy playing with RAW. However, as I only ever post my pictures on social media where their quality gets butchered by the site's own compression engine, I find it difficult to justify the time investment in RAW editing. So I stick to JPEG format in Pro mode with master AI disabled.
i can't see "wide picture "in camera app for 20mp lens??cancel that
tonybhoy said:
i can't see "wide picture "in camera app for 20mp lens??cancel that
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You need to be in Pro mode with resolution set to 10MP. Don't ask me why. Ask our friends at Huawei =)
https://ibb.co/7jcRFFc
So I took Paulos971's suggestion and combined the wide lens macro with RAW. I have to say - I am not disappointed. Below are the edited versions of the same image taken simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
Image saved as JPEG:
https://ibb.co/nmQcXLk
Image saved as RAW (.DNG):
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
koi8ru said:
You need to be in Pro mode with resolution set to 10MP. Don't ask me why. Ask our friends at Huawei =)
https://ibb.co/7jcRFFc
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i just went to photo mode and slid slider down to wide,never went to pro
koi8ru said:
So I took Paulos971's suggestion and combined the wide lens macro with RAW. I have to say - I am not disappointed. Below are the edited versions of the same image taken simultaneously in RAW and JPEG.
Image saved as JPEG:
https://ibb.co/nmQcXLk
Image saved as RAW (.DNG):
https://ibb.co/cTn6W2J
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Wow, amazing picture ! :good:
Yeah editing takes some time indeed, but I really think it's worth it
guys, go see my page, i have a lot of photos taken by my P30 Pro. You will see a lot of macro photography
My name on instagram is Titibenze
poulos971 said:
I would add something to this post : shoot in RAW. You'll need to post-process the pictures, but the results are way much better regarding color, sharpness and lighting than what the auto mode can provide !
Quick comparison :
Auto mode :
https://ibb.co/QfzW5F3
RAW file manually edited :
https://ibb.co/bmWmmLq
I can assure you this flower wasn't anywhere near pink !
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I tried many times to use RAW, but it works only at full res of 40mp an noise is incredibly hight, even with good light. Ho do yout set for those 2 example shot??
Leoxur said:
I tried many times to use RAW, but it works only at full res of 40mp an noise is incredibly hight, even with good light. Ho do yout set for those 2 example shot??
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Yes, the RAW file will always be a full resolution picture (i. e. 40mp using the main camera, 20mp on the ultrawide and 8mp on the telephoto).
To avoid noise, you must shoot at the lowest possible ISO setting ! It also depends on the sensor used (as the main one is bigger, it produces less noisy pictures than the ultrawide / telephoto).
This example picture was shot in 1/500s at 50 ISO using the ultrawide camera.