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I've previously been able to charge my phones (a droid Charge and the S3) with the USB plug in car with out any problems. It was slower than the A/C charger, but got the job done. But recently, I noticed that the S4 was taking forever to add any charge to the battery when plugged into the car's USB (Its a 2012 Ford Focus with My Ford Touch). I tested the USB line with the "Galaxy Current Charging" App and saw it was only registering 460 mAh (which is the same as when the phone is unplugged). I also tested my cigarette lighter charger which showed 860 mAh. (BTW, I tested the USB cord using my 2 Amp stock S4 A/C charger and it showed 1900 mAh, so I don't think there is anything wrong with the USB cord, itself.)
So, is there a problem with using the standard USB plug in our cars to charge the S4?
Thanks in advance,
Rich
richs10 said:
So, is there a problem with using the standard USB plug in our cars to charge the S4?
Thanks in advance,
Rich
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If you're really getting 860ma, you should be OK. The problem is that most 12v car adapters end up delivering about half that current. As you've already figured out, the S4 can accept up to about 2000ma (or 2A), but only when using a 5V/2A adapter (like the one that comes w/the device) AND only when using a compatible cable (use a non-stock cable with the AC adapter and you'll probably see more like 950ma than 1900).
You might want to try this Motorola auto charging cable http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S5Q9CA/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 . It's rated at about 1A, which is about half the level that the S4 can accept, but still pretty good. I haven't measured the exact output, but I can tell you that it's faster than any other car charger I've owned before.
You may also want to search online for an adapter that can achieve closer to 2A.
Andy:
I have that exact Motorola cigarette lighter charger and it works fine. My problem is trying to charge the phone in the car using the car's usb plug and a 'usb to micro usb' cord. That is where I have run into the problem with the S4. I could do this with my older phones, but the usb plug in the car only seems to supply the 460 mah with the S4. Any ideas why?
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Andy:
I have that exact Motorola cigarette lighter charger and it works fine. My problem is trying to charge the phone in the car using the car's usb plug and a 'usb to micro usb' cord. That is where I have run into the problem with the S4. I could do this with my older phones, but the usb plug in the car only seems to supply the 460 mah with the S4. Any ideas why?
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Because the usb spec it wasdesigned under limits it to a maximum of 500 mA. It is a given that charging will be excruciatingly slow at that low of a current draw if it even charges at all.
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Andy:
I have that exact Motorola cigarette lighter charger and it works fine. My problem is trying to charge the phone in the car using the car's usb plug and a 'usb to micro usb' cord. That is where I have run into the problem with the S4. I could do this with my older phones, but the usb plug in the car only seems to supply the 460 mah with the S4. Any ideas why?
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There's a product review on Amazon, where the reviewer provides a pretty good summary that might help explain. He claims that if the device does not 'recognize' the charging source with certainty, it may default to 500ma to prevent potential damage to the charge source (which could be e.g., a PC). The recommendation seems to be to use a special charging cable that would demonstrate to the device that a low-current source is not connected.
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"...The USB power spec is for 0.5 Amps at 5 Volts... or 2.5 Watts. This was great up until the last couple years when devices have gotten really power hungry, particularly smartphones and tablets and to a lesser extent dedicated GPS's. Some of these devices use over 2 Amps, particularly the tablets like the iPad (or in my case the HP Touchpad).
Manufacturers of these devices therefore had a dilemma. If they had their devices pull more than 0.5 Amps, they risked damaging the power source, which could be a computer, that was only prepared to source 0.5 Amps. Thus the manufacturers have used tricks to determine whether their device is connected to an unknown source, at which point they purposely only draw 0.5 Amps, or to the dedicated charger that was provided with the device, where they can draw all the power they need.
There seem to be two common tricks used. The first is to short the two data-wires together in the charger. This is what most non-Apple devices do. Since a computer or older device wouldn't have done this, the device can assume it is safe to draw all the power it needs..."
In a subsequent discussion about the review, one of the commenters went on to recommend this charging cable - note that, per above, it's a 'shorted' cable, so it can only be used for charging (not data xfer). You might want to give it a try: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VYBCAY/ref=cm_cd_asin_lnk
That will not work if the source itself is limited to 500mA. The shorted data pins on the cable only allow the PMIC to draw a higher current if the source is capable of providing it.
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Can I purchase the same exact cable that comes with N6 somewhere online? I want to be able to have an extra one for my car.
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Pretty certain its the same turbo charger they sell on Motorola.com, its like 35 bucks.
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Pretty certain its the same turbo charger they sell on Motorola.com, its like 35 bucks.
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I was looking for this, but it's out of stock. Any ideas who has this available.
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-batteries-chargers/USB-Data-Cable/usb-data-cable.html
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Don't know where you'd get that exact one but honestly if all you're looking for is the cable you can find micro USB cables almost anywhere. I bought two in Walgreen's for like 5 bucks a pop that I keep in my vehicles. They work perfect. Nothing special about buying over priced cables when they all do the exact same thing.
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I was looking for this, but it's out of stock. Any ideas who has this available.
http://www.motorola.com/us/accessories-batteries-chargers/USB-Data-Cable/usb-data-cable.html
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Like the others have said. Any USB to Micro-USB cable would work just as well as another (unless the cable is faulty, which... well.... yea).
Isn't it more in the charger than the cable? Unless of course you're talking USB 3 of course.
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Like the others have said. Any USB to Micro-USB cable would work just as well as another (unless the cable is faulty, which... well.... yea).
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I'm not quite following your ending statement.
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elementaldragon said:
Like the others have said. Any USB to Micro-USB cable would work just as well as another (unless the cable is faulty, which... well.... yea).
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Not true. Cable does matter. Some don't pass enough current. Some don't stay put.
Monoprice premium cables should be <$3 and quality seems good; no complaints here.
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=9965&seq=1&format=2
(black ones seem to be OOS)
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Not true. Cable does matter. Some don't pass enough current. Some don't stay put.
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I'm not quite following your ending statement.
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Again... if it's a faulty cable. Only time I've ever seen a cable NOT work is if it was bent tightly too many times and split a wire in the casing, or as you said, if the connector itself was somehow flawed. Current supplied is a non-issue, because USB does not require a lot of current for anything. If it did, the wires would need to be thicker.
Just bought this to use with Incipio car turbo charger I bought earlier. I like coiled cables to use in the car: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008DVMRXG/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_75DBub1FSNSV2
This is my new favorite! I charges my N5 from 0% to 50 in 10 minutes! And I love the light on the plug so you can see when you plug it into the phone. I give this 6 out of 5 stars, specially with it being 6 foot long!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CWM989I/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
and for the car (although can't vouch for speed in the car charger) http://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Dual-Car-Charger-Micro/dp/B00GB8XIZO/ref=pd_bxgy_cps_img_y
What is a good charger that I can use at work?
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dinosaur1 said:
What is a good charger that I can use at work?
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Look at my post above yours.
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What is a good charger that I can use at work?
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The kick-ass 1.8A Blackberry Folding Blade Chargers... ~$5-6 each or 2 for ~$10.
Get a "Charge Only" cable. They deliver higher current to phone from charger than than data / charge cables. Amazon has them at reasonable price.
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Get a "Charge Only" cable. They deliver higher current to phone from charger than than data / charge cables. Amazon has them at reasonable price.
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http://www.verizonwireless.com/acce...er-with-fast-charge-technology-for-micro-usb/
Came across this today. I get 25% off so may be worth it for me.
I thought I'd jump in here and explain why there's so many inconsistent stories regarding cables. Here's the real deal:
Android determines whether a charger is a computer (USB) or a wall charger (AC) by the status of the data pins in the USB connector. In USB, there are 4 pins. The center two pins are data pins. The outer pins supply power and ground. If the central pins are shorted together electrically, then Android devices consider that a wall charger, and will attempt to charge at a higher amperage. If they're not, then the device assumes it's tied to a computer, and charges at 500mA (the power put out by a computer's USB 2.0 port). This is why some 2A chargers will show as "Charging (USB)" on the battery screen, instead of "Charging (AC)," which is what you want. ( I said attempt before, because connecting a cable where the data pins are shorted to a computer won't increase the 500mA that your computer is supplying. Thus, the device will TRY to charge faster, but won't, because it's limited by the computer.)
iOS uses a different method for determining AC/USB, so any charger designed for iOS devices will charge your Android device at 500mA, regardless of the rated power. (That's why some multi-port USB chargers, with a 1A and 2A port will often charge better with the 1A port -- the 2A port tends to be designed for iPads.) Along these lines, there are two types of "Charge Only" cables: Those where the central pins are shorted (Android-compatible), and those where the central pins are missing or disconnected (electrically, that's called "open," which is the opposite of "shorted" -- and these are iOS-Compatible). Thus, using a "Charge Only" cable, can actually be a bad thing. In fact, most "charge only" cables are of the "open" type. So, to say that you should get a "charge only" cable is wrong, more often than not.
Unfortunately, when you're purchasing cables or chargers, they almost never say "Android Compatible." Instead, look at what it DOES say. If it says it's iOS compatible, or that it's designed to charge any iOS device, then it definitely won't charge your Android device at more than 500mA. Stay away! Look for it to say it's designed to charge a specific Android device, like a Samsung S5, or a Droid Maxx, or whatever. Compatibility with ANY Android device, means compatibility with ALL Android devices. (Assuming it's still a micro-USB connector.)
Cables sold by themselves are almost always Data cables. Cables sold with chargers are almost always "charge only" cables, and you need to go by the charger compatibility to determine the cable compatibility. The real test is to find a charger/cable combination that will show up as "Charging (AC)" on the battery screen. The original OEM pair that came with the device is best for this. Once you have that pair of known Android-Compatible components, you can swap out the cable OR charger (ONLY ONE AT A TIME!), and test it to see if it still reads "Charging (AC)," or "Charging (USB)." If it's the latter, then that charger or cable was designed for iOS devices, and won't really be useful with your Android device. If it's the former, then it becomes a known compatible item for further testing.
In summary. The power rating of a charger means absolutely nothing. A 2A charger for iOS will charge much slower than an a 1A charger designed for Android. Don't rely on that. Instead, rely on the device that the charger was designed for. If it says it's designed to charge an Android device (any Android device), then select that over any charger that even so much as mentions an iOS device. Better yet, look for chargers that support the Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 standard. That's the same as Moto's "Turbo Charger," and since that's an Android thing, it's guaranteed to be Android compatible, and much faster at charging your N6.
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I thought I'd jump in here and explain why there's so many inconsistent stories regarding cables. Here's the real deal:
Android determines whether a charger is a computer (USB) or a wall charger (AC) by the status of the data pins in the USB connector. In USB, there are 4 pins. The center two pins are data pins. The outer pins supply power and ground. If the central pins are shorted together electrically, then Android devices consider that a wall charger, and will attempt to charge at a higher amperage. If they're not, then the device assumes it's tied to a computer, and charges at 500mA (the power put out by a computer's USB 2.0 port). This is why some 2A chargers will show as "Charging (USB)" on the battery screen, instead of "Charging (AC)," which is what you want. ( I said attempt before, because connecting a cable where the data pins are shorted to a computer won't increase the 500mA that your computer is supplying. Thus, the device will TRY to charge faster, but won't, because it's limited by the computer.)
iOS uses a different method for determining AC/USB, so any charger designed for iOS devices will charge your Android device at 500mA, regardless of the rated power. (That's why some multi-port USB chargers, with a 1A and 2A port will often charge better with the 1A port -- the 2A port tends to be designed for iPads.) Along these lines, there are two types of "Charge Only" cables: Those where the central pins are shorted (Android-compatible), and those where the central pins are missing or disconnected (electrically, that's called "open," which is the opposite of "shorted" -- and these are iOS-Compatible). Thus, using a "Charge Only" cable, can actually be a bad thing. In fact, most "charge only" cables are of the "open" type. So, to say that you should get a "charge only" cable is wrong, more often than not.
Unfortunately, when you're purchasing cables or chargers, they almost never say "Android Compatible." Instead, look at what it DOES say. If it says it's iOS compatible, or that it's designed to charge any iOS device, then it definitely won't charge your Android device at more than 500mA. Stay away! Look for it to say it's designed to charge a specific Android device, like a Samsung S5, or a Droid Maxx, or whatever. Compatibility with ANY Android device, means compatibility with ALL Android devices. (Assuming it's still a micro-USB connector.)
Cables sold by themselves are almost always Data cables. Cables sold with chargers are almost always "charge only" cables, and you need to go by the charger compatibility to determine the cable compatibility. The real test is to find a charger/cable combination that will show up as "Charging (AC)" on the battery screen. The original OEM pair that came with the device is best for this. Once you have that pair of known Android-Compatible components, you can swap out the cable OR charger (ONLY ONE AT A TIME!), and test it to see if it still reads "Charging (AC)," or "Charging (USB)." If it's the latter, then that charger or cable was designed for iOS devices, and won't really be useful with your Android device. If it's the former, then it becomes a known compatible item for further testing.
In summary. The power rating of a charger means absolutely nothing. A 2A charger for iOS will charge much slower than an a 1A charger designed for Android. Don't rely on that. Instead, rely on the device that the charger was designed for. If it says it's designed to charge an Android device (any Android device), then select that over any charger that even so much as mentions an iOS device. Better yet, look for chargers that support the Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 standard. That's the same as Moto's "Turbo Charger," and since that's an Android thing, it's guaranteed to be Android compatible, and much faster at charging your N6.
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FYI. I ordered this and tried it today. Works like a charm in my vehicles built in USB port. Originally the USB by itself wouldn't charge.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GC4AJOU/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?qid=1416764690&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SY200_QL40
I was going to pick this up which has the fastest charge using a 12v.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00P9UILUM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1416764884&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SY200_QL40
Does anyone how much slower the USB adapter would charge vs the Powermod?
Do we know for sure why it is that dash charging only works work the dash cable. Is it a DRM issue or a design element that needs to be licensed.
I'm not too stressed out because I plan to use a standard usb c cable for overnight charging but I am curious what is actually going on inside this charger.
I am quite familiar with OP official response concerning the matter, but given their track record of non answers, I'm assuming this situation is no different.
In other words I am curious what stops a company from releasing a cable that would in fact work. Possibly with the addition of some end user kernel changes. I understand this would be slightly impractical for a large company like Aukey or Anker to release a cable for one phone (that people could not use straight out of the box) however, my curiosity is still there
https://www.androidcentral.com/dash-charge has a good article on this.
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Also, supposedly it's the same tech as http://www.oppo.com/en/technology/vooc - and anything "VOOC" branded will provide the same "dash charge" speeds.
Dougshell said:
Do we know for sure why it is that dash charging only works work the dash cable. Is it a DRM issue or a design element that needs to be licensed.
I'm not too stressed out because I plan to use a standard usb c cable for overnight charging but I am curious what is actually going on inside this charger.
I am quite familiar with OP official response concerning the matter, but given their track record of non answers, I'm assuming this situation is no different.
In other words I am curious what stops a company from releasing a cable that would in fact work. Possibly with the addition of some end user kernel changes. I understand this would be slightly impractical for a large company like Aukey or Anker to release a cable for one phone (that people could not use straight out of the box) however, my curiosity is still there
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Simple Answer to this is the proprietary high amp usb type c cable which is supplied with the stock 5v 4amp power brick work well hand in hand, it is the way Oneplus has made this..one cannot work without the other so it is packaged deal..take it or leave..unless you are willing to compromise DASH Charge you can use any other type C cable and power brick adaptor
On a standard type-c (USB 3.1) cable connected to my PC, the phone slow charges. My other devices fast charge on this cable.
The other devices slow charge when connected to Dash cable and charger.
It leads me to think some very non-standards conforming USB tech is going on in the Dash gear, enough to make Benson Leung sick to his stomach. This isn't new to OnePlus, see https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/JmcU4rA1csh
My advice would be to never use Dash gear with other devices.
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It leads me to think some very non-standards conforming USB tech is going on in the Dash gear, enough to make Benson Leung sick to his stomach. This isn't new to OnePlus, see https://plus.google.com/+BensonLeung/posts/JmcU4rA1csh
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AFAIK this non-compliance thing has been there only in the first shipped cables and was fixed later on. So today's devices (this is already 2 years ago) should be compatible to USB standards and therefore other devices should load their battery at normal speed (not dash-speed) with the dash cables and dash plugs.
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AFAIK this non-compliance thing has been there only in the first shipped cables and was fixed later on. So today's devices (this is already 2 years ago) should be compatible to USB standards and therefore other devices should load their battery at normal speed (not dash-speed) with the dash cables and dash plugs.
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Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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Amswer: OP5 doenst support any other quick charge methods (aka. QC 2.0/3.0, Adaptive Charging, Super Charging etc). It only supports normal charge or dash charge (& Vooc as dash is based on Vooc).
Also you should remember that different phones shows differently charging methods. Example Oneplus can maybe show normal 2A slow and Samsung as normal charge. Nexus 6P will show regular 3A charging as fast charging, Oneplus shows it regular charge.
For me if i use other C-cables (non-Dash charge one) it shows just "charging".
Regarding to Benson case... Original OP2 cable was non-standard. It didnt contain regular 56ohm thing. Oneplus fixed it later and dash charge cable is using standard things and also only for 3/3T/5 dash charge properties. For other phone you can use it without problems like use it to charge QC3.0 phones etc.
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Amswer: OP5 doenst support any other quick charge methods (aka. QC 2.0/3.0, Adaptive Charging, Super Charging etc). It only supports normal charge or dash charge (& Vooc as dash is based on Vooc).
Also you should remember that different phones shows differently charging methods. Example Oneplus can maybe show normal 2A slow and Samsung as normal charge. Nexus 6P will show regular 3A charging as fast charging, Oneplus shows it regular charge.
For me if i use other C-cables (non-Dash charge one) it shows just "charging".
Regarding to Benson case... Original OP2 cable was non-standard. It didnt contain regular 56ohm thing. Oneplus fixed it later and dash charge cable is using standard things and also only for 3/3T/5 dash charge properties. For other phone you can use it without problems like use it to charge QC3.0 phones etc.
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My point isn't so much about the cable as it is the device itself. It is a USB type-c device that doesn't conform to type-c USB standards.
There will be a plethora of usb-c ports on computers and chargers going forward. They are included on every new model of Apple, PC motherboard, and OEM PC - so type-c adoption is there and real. By ignoring these standards and producing a product with a proprietary design they are ostracizing their devices, and by extension their users, from simple and convenient charging methods. It ensures lots of sales of Dash chargers though.
It's a **** move straight from the Apple playbook. Apple made billions from the 30 pin to lightning connector change, and they will do it again with the lightning to Type-C change.
This Oppo/OP Dash charger isn't something consumers should be championing. It's not something Oppo/OP should be forcing on consumers either.
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Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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I don't think your statement is accurate, the newer USB C Power Delivery specs allows voltages up to 20 volts and amperages up to 5 amps, the dash charger specs use 5 volts on 4 amps, well within USB C PD specs. The fact that their technology is proprietary does not mean it's not standards compliant.
There is also the very important difference between voltage and amperage, voltage is pushed to devices so it's always important that what you are using within the voltage required by the device. Amperage on the other hand is pulled by the device so the charger will allow the device to pull as much amperage as it needs as long as it doesn't go over it's own capacity. Think about your standard US outlet, it works at 120 Volts and at either 15 to 20 amps, you can connect as many 120V devices to it as long as you don't exceed its amperage.
That being said, the reason other usb cables don't work on the dash charger block is because the usb A side probably has different resistors, One + cables probably have higher resistors than regular, run of the mill usb C-A cables. That was the issue with the first cables that came out a few years ago, they had pull-up resistors with the wrong Ohm rating.
Here is a link to a PDF file explaining USB C Power Specs, keep in mind though that the eventual idea is to only use USB C-C cables and not the USB C-A cables that are the cause of so much headaches.
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I don't think your statement is accurate, the newer USB C Power Delivery specs allows voltages up to 20 volts and amperages up to 5 amps, the dash charger specs use 5 volts on 4 amps, well within USB C PD specs. The fact that their technology is proprietary does not mean it's not standards compliant.
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The listed power specs are only half the picture. The negotiation between devices is critical in getting those power numbers. That a OP5 can't draw above 900mA on a fully compliant 3.1 cable from a PD capable Type-C port shows it's not compliant. Its not negotiating power draw the way a standard Type-C device should.
And yes, I've already read all the spec docs. Thanks though.
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The listed power specs are only half the picture. The negotiation between devices is critical in getting those power numbers. That a OP5 can't draw above 900mA on a fully compliant 3.1 cable from a PD capable Type-C port shows it's not compliant. Its not negotiating power draw the way a standard Type-C device should.
And yes, I've already read all the spec docs. Thanks though.
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The phone itself doesn't have to comply to anything, the chargers and cables do since they are the ones providing the charge. The standards are there to determine thresholds on how much and how little current they can work with. The circuitry on the phone and battery are the ones who tell the charger how much current they need to charge the battery without warming it too much or overcharging it. Different combinations of chargers and cables will give you a lot of different charging speeds but that's because there are so many chargers and cables with different ratings that devices err on the side of caution when they can't recognize the charger that it's being plugged into them. It's kind of a unfortunate thing that companies like Motorola, Huawei, OnePlus and Qualcomm use different charging specs but all of them work within the 15 to 20 watts of power for fast charging, so it's not a really big difference.
The reason for the difference in charging speeds between the dash charger/cable and other chargers is that 1 + charger offloads the current regulation to the charger itself rather than leaving current regulation to the phone, like other fast charging devices, that's why 1 + phones fast charge at cooler temperatures than other fast charging technologies.
Now, why your phone doesn't go above 900mA on a regular cable is beyond me, the first photo I attached is of my phone connected to the dash charger via this cable and the second one is of the same cable connected to this wall outlet.
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Should, but I don't think it is. Q: why would the OP5 not fast charge over a normal type-c connection if it were standards compliant? Answer: it doesn't comply with standards.
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That's a fallacy. To comply with the standards does not mean, that everything is exactly the same. The USB-standard is a little bit more complex than just "pin 1 of one end has to be connected to pin 1 of the other end". The USB-standard defines what is allowed, so no devices will get damaged and to ensure a "minimum" data and power connectivity of let's say at least USB 2.0.
That's what these cables and chargers offer: They don't violate the USB standards. They allow a data connection with USB 2.0 also for non OP-devices. They also allow "normal power" (5V 500mA). They don't damage other devices. They just "work" as they should. But they offer "additional extras" (dash charging) when all three parts (charger, cable, phone) are compatible.
So they comply with the standards while offering additional features and that means, that other cables/chargers, which also comply with the standards but don't offer the extras, won't be able to dash charge.
Anyone tried to see whether using the oneplus cables on QC devices + QC wall plug supports Quick Charging?
I get 2a off my 3a rated PD c to c cables and 38w PD charger.
The only PD compatible android chipset I know of is made by mediatek at present.
Hello,
I have found this comment about the cable :
Note: I tested PC mode with a USB Type-C to HDMI cable I bought on Amazon. Because the Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro support USB 3.1 it’s technically possible that you can screen share to a monitor and charge the device at the same time. I asked Anker if a powered USB hub with HDMI support like this would work, but they said it depends on wiring and whether a hub has been designed to communicate with the Mate 10 or not. I also asked Huawei for clarification, and they have vowed to get back to me on the specifics of what to look out for in a compatible hub. I’ll update the review as more information comes in. Thanks to Bram Peeters for raising this issue.
Source : https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-10-pro-review-807465/
Is there a HUAWEI reference for this cable ?
Does it need to be HDCP compatible, with Netflix eg ?
Best regards
Hi Pascal... I already tried the desktop mode. Technically any type-c to hdmi adapter should work. I'm using this: https://www.incipio.com/chargers/usb-c/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter.html ... and I added an HDMI to VGA cable adapter because there's a VGA cabled monitor at home that's not in use.
My current setup:
** Mate 10
** Incipio 3-port AV adapter
++ Logitech 2 in 1 wireless combo (keyboard and mouse using 1 usb dongle) attached to the 3-port adapter
++ Charger attached to the type-c port
** HDMI to VGA adapter
** monitor
Works without any issues except that the charger cannot push enough power to actually charge the phone. It still drops so probably from 80% you have a good 2 hours average of desktop mode time to perform stuff. I am thinking of getting a DELL type-c to hdmi adapter (just a simple hdmi adapter no extra ports) for playing games.
I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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In fact, few months ago, i was looking for a USB C HUB (With or not HDMI, Ethernet) with power delivery,
for an ACER SWITCH V10 (2017), to connect many external USB HDD and KEYS.
I have found many products on Amazon.
And these products (USB C HUB) like EgoIggo HUB USB C (GN30E) on Amazon, could be fully adapted
with a Mate 10 PRO. Some of them are too Mac OS X or/and Windows compatible, with or not drivers.
Look the description :
[Multi-operation] 3 USB 3.0 ports, 2 Card Readers for SD and micro SD, 1 HDMI Slot, 1 RJ45 Eternet Port and 1 USB Type-C Charging Port. Compatible with new devices equipped with a Type-C USB port.
[High transfer speed] With a data rate of up to 5 Gbps, the three USB 3.0 ports allow you to connect your keyboard, mouse, USB flash drive and external hard drive to the laptop. An SD player and a micro SD player support SD / SDHC / SDXC cards up to 2 TB. An HDMI slot that supports resolutions up to 4K. An RJ45 Ethernet port allows a super-fast internet network up to 1Gbits / s, but also backwards compatible with 10 / 100Mbps
[Unique Design] This Hub is very small and thin, but robust, whose connection cable is properly flexible, which makes the connection very stable. This elegant aluminum-shaped design perfectly matches the style and color of MackBook and MackBook Pro.
[Power Delivery] USB-C Power Delivery (PD) for Macbook Macmini and other USB-C devices, capable of simultaneously transferring data and charging devices.
[Ultra Portable] This hub is packed with a small box of cardboard and well protected by a nice cover that prevents it from scratching your mackbook. Incredibly compact size and very practical to carry everywhere.
Best regards
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I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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same concern with the incipio that I'm currently using.
From what I see, it will just drain the battery however we use it. Probably faster if we use the same adapter as Pascal's find. If I have the chance I will test Huawei's adapters (they have a different brand of adapter here in the Philippines) - I can try and borrow: see if it CAN push the power enough to charge the phone. But I'm already assuming that it won't.
Given the fact that the type-c port provides 100% of what it's supposed to run on desktop mode, powering the adapter.. powering whatever usb device is plugged in, that power requirement is the one that needs to be addressed.
But overall not bad for a phone especially when you can still use the phone while working on desktop mode. We can't do work on the phone of course but just enough to get a few things done with a screen and keyboard/mouse combo...
Well according to some German website it's stated that the Mate 10 is Compatible with USB [email protected]*2A so we might need to get a USB PD compatible charger to hopefully gain more juice than using draining the battery slowly
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Well according to some German website it's stated that the Mate 10 is Compatible with USB [email protected]*2A so we might need to get a USB PD compatible charger to hopefully gain more juice than using draining the battery slowly
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probably if we use an adapter with a type-c slot going to the type-c port of the hdmi/type-c adapter....
I was looking at the Tronsmart multiport charger I think. It has a type-c port so you can use a type-c to type-c cable... BUT it only pushes out as fast charge on the mate 9... so of course that's also a fast charge on the mate 10... BUT again, that's if we plug the phone directly to the charger... would that be a different case if we plug it to the hdmi adapter? I'm actually planning to buy it.. just so I have a multiport adapter especially when out and about. This one says Power Delivery.. probably I'll grab this thing by end of the month and the type-c end to end cable...
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-u5p-60w-usb-pd-desktop-charger-with-voltiq
hopefully I can report back as soon as I get it.
current dilemma is we have a super charge adapter... and yet it's not pushing enough juice... hopefully the type-c type-c scenario works so we won't have draining issues...
***** UPDATE *****
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
Baseus O HUB Type-C multi-function converter Adapter
Hi, I'm using a mate 10 and I've just bought a Baseus O HUB Type-C multi-function converter Adapter (HDMI + Type-c charging port + USB3.0). Can't seems to get it to work (PC mode or mirror) when connected to HDMI (tried on Panasonic LED TV & Toshiba projector).
Wireless mouse and keyboard working and phone is charging when I've plug in the charger to the hub. Is there any setting that I've missed?
Regarding Desktop mode: I bought an adapter and successfully connected my mate 10 to an HD TV, but the resolution is low, does it depend on the TV, the cable, the adapter or there is a way to set the desktop mode resolution? I haven't found it ...
drkprd said:
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
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so standard Mate 10 Pro charger (which says fast charging when plugged into phone) doesnt fast charge the phone when connected to the USB Hub. But youre saying if i buy this Anker charger my phone will fast charge when connected to a USB hub?
What is the exact spec of that Anker charger that makes it different to the Huawei charger in the box? Sorry for confusion, thanks in advance.
pixielott46 said:
so standard Mate 10 Pro charger (which says fast charging when plugged into phone) doesnt fast charge the phone when connected to the USB Hub. But youre saying if i buy this Anker charger my phone will fast charge when connected to a USB hub?
What is the exact spec of that Anker charger that makes it different to the Huawei charger in the box? Sorry for confusion, thanks in advance.
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Anker desktop charger that I'm using: https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
It has Power Delivery - which powers most usb-c devices nowadays especially Macs and other Google devices if I got that correct.
The description has this:
USB Type-C, Premium 5-Port 60W USB Wall Charger with Power Delivery for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X / 6P and PowerIQ for iPhone, iPad, Samsung & More
The stock charger will definitely work without problems IF DIRECTLY attached to the phone but this time we have an external device - the multi-port hdmi/type-c/usb adapter. Yes it has a type-c port included and you can attach the stock charger but from my experience especially with the Incipio adapter, it requires more "push" because the stock charger just slows down the drain when using desktop mode. It does not increase the phone's battery juice while in use.
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** Also, Huawei stock supercharger adapter pushes 22.5W of power BUT ONLY if connected directly to phone. Power delivery pushes 29W of power REGARDLESS of which device it's connected to. The Huawei charger is also picky so it might not be using all 22.5W if connected to an in-between adapter.
drkprd said:
Anker desktop charger that I'm using: https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
It has Power Delivery - which powers most usb-c devices nowadays especially Macs and other Google devices if I got that correct.
The description has this:
USB Type-C, Premium 5-Port 60W USB Wall Charger with Power Delivery for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X / 6P and PowerIQ for iPhone, iPad, Samsung & More
The stock charger will definitely work without problems IF DIRECTLY attached to the phone but this time we have an external device - the multi-port hdmi/type-c/usb adapter. Yes it has a type-c port included and you can attach the stock charger but from my experience especially with the Incipio adapter, it requires more "push" because the stock charger just slows down the drain when using desktop mode. It does not increase the phone's battery juice while in use.
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** Also, Huawei stock supercharger adapter pushes 22.5W of power BUT ONLY if connected directly to phone. Power delivery pushes 29W of power REGARDLESS of which device it's connected to. The Huawei charger is also picky so it might not be using all 22.5W if connected to an in-between adapter.
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hi, thanks for your detailed reply. the edit with the wattage is especially useful. one last question. Does the Anker charger "fast-charge" the huawei mate 10 pro when connected directly? or just standard usb charging?
If yes, i will replace my huawei official charger with this anker one. handy that it has some usb ports as well so i can charge my bicycle lights overnight etc as well
thanks in advance for the further information
pixielott46 said:
hi, thanks for your detailed reply. the edit with the wattage is especially useful. one last question. Does the Anker charger "fast-charge" the huawei mate 10 pro when connected directly? or just standard usb charging?
If yes, i will replace my huawei official charger with this anker one. handy that it has some usb ports as well so i can charge my bicycle lights overnight etc as well
thanks in advance for the further information
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that's one of the things I actually was surprised with and didn't really expect...really good news for us because it does!! The phone registers FAST CHARGING even if I have "everything" connected for desktop mode.
* phone + incipio type-c hdmi usb combo
* incipio + hdmi-vga converter
* vga converter + vga led monitor
* Anker multi-port with type-c power delivery + anker type-c to type-c cord ..... connected to the incipio
** and a recent addition: since the incipio only has 1 regular USB port, I bought a 4-port usb hub... connected it to the incipio so that basically splits 1 into 4 usb ports... I attached my wireless keyboard/mouse combo and my Western Digital 1 Terabyte external HDD...... NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.... haha!.. phone still chargers UP with fast charging indication...
Now I guess I have a full working desktop system with the mate 10
(I'm using the regular mate 10 but I guess that shouldn't affect the charge input/output)
drkprd said:
that's one of the things I actually was surprised with and didn't really expect...really good news for us because it does!! The phone registers FAST CHARGING even if I have "everything" connected for desktop mode.
* phone + incipio type-c hdmi usb combo
* incipio + hdmi-vga converter
* vga converter + vga led monitor
* Anker multi-port with type-c power delivery + anker type-c to type-c cord ..... connected to the incipio
** and a recent addition: since the incipio only has 1 regular USB port, I bought a 4-port usb hub... connected it to the incipio so that basically splits 1 into 4 usb ports... I attached my wireless keyboard/mouse combo and my Western Digital 1 Terabyte external HDD...... NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.... haha!.. phone still chargers UP with fast charging indication...
Now I guess I have a full working desktop system with the mate 10
(I'm using the regular mate 10 but I guess that shouldn't affect the charge input/output)
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Just an FYI to others, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has 3 different charging modes. One is USB Charging, very very slow. One is Fast charging, like regular charging i guess. SuperCharging is really really fast. This Anker charger only fast charges my device.
I cant get SuperCharge unless I use the Huawei official charger or the Huawei AP09S PowerBank.
How can I SuperCharge with 3rd party accessories?!
pixielott46 said:
Just an FYI to others, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has 3 different charging modes. One is USB Charging, very very slow. One is Fast charging, like regular charging i guess. SuperCharging is really really fast. This Anker charger only fast charges my device.
I cant get SuperCharge unless I use the Huawei official charger or the Huawei AP09S PowerBank.
How can I SuperCharge with 3rd party accessories?!
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To understand the chargin technologies one must understand how Watts Volts and Ampere work. Volt x Ampere = Watt. Explaining Volt and Ampere is kinda long story but to keep it short: Imagine a garden hose: The pressure of the water is Volt, the speed of the water is Ampere. Watt is the amount of water thats pouring out.
There are various technologies for charging, in the end it matter how many Watts there are. But different combinations of Volts and Ampere are possible to achieve the same amount of Watts.
There is a new universal standard called Power Delivery which was introduced with USB 3.1 Type C. So this is a standard that comes with usb 3.1 type c and that is why all the new usb3.1 type c laptops support it. (PD supports multiple protocols (combinations of V and A to reach up to 100W) and the more powerful ones mostly support the lower ones too. that means a 100W PD charging brick could charge a 5Vx3A=15W Phone, a 14Vx2A=28W iPad Pro, a 60W Macbook, an 80W Ultrabook etc.)
Previous Charging standards are something around 5V and 1A,2A, computer usb 2.0 ports only give 0.5A and usb3.0 ports give 1A, which is why some laptops have a dedicated phone charging port that delivers 2A (most phones used 5V/2A before fast charging technologies hit the market, it is also the protocol phones fall back to if the charging brick does not support the fast charging technology of the phones manufacturer)
Phone manufacturers have their own technoligies or license them from other companies. Qualcom has QuickCharge which many smartphones use (Samsung uses QuickCharge 2.0 with 9V and 1,67A (Delivers roughly 15W))
Huawei has its own SuperCharge which is based on 5V/4A and 4,5V/5A (delivers around 22W). So in order to use supercharge you have to get a charging brick that explicitely supports 4,5V/5A protocol and a cable that supports 5A (since standard USB 3.1 Type C Power Delivery protocols are based on a maximum of 3A most usb-c cables dont support 5A).
So as i mentioned before: more powerful charging bricks usually support less powerful protocols. so in order to charge devices that do not support the specific fast chargind protocol, all chargers also support 5V2A. Thats what happens if a Samsung is charged with huawei brick or my mate 10 pro is charged with the samsung brick (the difference being that Huawei seems to label the usb 3.0 pc port 5V/1A as "charging", the normal 5V/2A as fast charging and the Huawei SuperCharge at 4,5V/5A obviously is called SuperCharge). USB Power Delivery aims to end that by providing a standard that is available for all that use a 3.1 type c port. (that means if i have a 60W apple chargin brick for my macbook i can also use the same brick to charge my 29W ipad pro or another 60W usb type c ultrabook with windows with the same brick and cable without thinking twice. before usb type c and PD all laptops had to have dedicated chargers)
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Regarding Desktop mode: I bought an adapter and successfully connected my mate 10 to an HD TV, but the resolution is low, does it depend on the TV, the cable, the adapter or there is a way to set the desktop mode resolution? I haven't found it ...
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Hi enrico. I have exactly the same issue and it seems like its related to the 4K TV only. FHD TV work fine with my mate 10 pro but when I connect it to 4K TV it sticks to 640*480 resolution, which is useless obviously. Have you found a solution or anyone else ?
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Hi enrico. I have exactly the same issue and it seems like its related to the 4K TV only. FHD TV work fine with my mate 10 pro but when I connect it to 4K TV it sticks to 640*480 resolution, which is useless obviously. Have you found a solution or anyone else ?
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My TV isn't 4k and I too get the 640*480 resolution
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My TV isn't 4k and I too get the 640*480 resolution
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What is the model of your TV ? Maybe its a model-related issue (not the native resolution), I tried with a hdmi 2.0 cable and the problem is still here. I own a samsung 55MU7000.
drkprd said:
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort+-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
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You getting much heat on the device I've used Samsung dex before and the S8 got warm but not very, I'm using the Mate 10 and the Dex hub which charges fast but phones gets quite hot using easy projection
I have a ton of Qualcomm quick chargers and I'm not feeling this Dash charge with its special cable restriction. I saw this adapter and from the reddit posts, it seems to work well. It even works with normal USB Type C cable. Does anyone have experience with it and the 6T?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=SFC+AFC+VOOC+SCP&_sacat=0
I have some coming in the mail as we speak - I will let you know once I get them tested. There are supposedly some signaling differences between different OP versions, which may require a new adapter.
My take is that none of the WEB- adapters (on eBay) would work with the 6T, since that manufacturer is already selling a specialized adapter for OP beyond or equals to 5T. The WEB- adapters, however, offer a wider range of fast charge protocols as opposed to the YZXStudio adapter, which supports only VOOC-DASH. The YZXStudio adapter also has a current cap, which you can slightly adjust by soldering pins on the adapter itself. You are unlikely to get the full benefit of DASH from the YZXStudio adapter because of this cap, although your Quick Charge chargers most likely will be the limiting factor. Also note that the WEB- adapters require an input of at least 10 or so volts, so their A2A adapters will automatically request QC2/3 @ 12V. If your adapter does not support 12V, then it would not work properly. Your adapter should at least output 12V @ 1.5A for it to be any good after conversion losses.
This cable works although it seems to have gone out of stock.
COOYA OnePlus 6 Dash Type-C Charger Cable, 5V 4A Dash Charge USB C Cable Charging Rapidly, Braided USB Type C Fast Charger Cable Dash Charging for OnePlus 5T, OnePlus 5, OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 3 (6.6FT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3DYDC7
Jaxidian said:
This cable works although it seems to have gone out of stock.
COOYA OnePlus 6 Dash Type-C Charger Cable, 5V 4A Dash Charge USB C Cable Charging Rapidly, Braided USB Type C Fast Charger Cable Dash Charging for OnePlus 5T, OnePlus 5, OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 3 (6.6FT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3DYDC7
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I think the OP is trying to avoid using OP specific cables but rather use a QC2/3-DASH adapter and a normal USB-C cable for charging the phone. That said, aftermarket cables are not that expensive on AliExpress, eBay, or even Amazon. Although if you insist, I would encourage that you get heavier gauge USB cables for this...
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I have some coming in the mail as we speak - I will let you know once I get them tested. There are supposedly some signaling differences between different OP versions, which may require a new adapter.
My take is that none of the WEB- adapters (on eBay) would work with the 6T, since that manufacturer is already selling a specialized adapter for OP beyond or equals to 5T. The WEB- adapters, however, offer a wider range of fast charge protocols as opposed to the YZXStudio adapter, which supports only VOOC-DASH. The YZXStudio adapter also has a current cap, which you can slightly adjust by soldering pins on the adapter itself. You are unlikely to get the full benefit of DASH from the YZXStudio adapter because of this cap, although your Quick Charge chargers most likely will be the limiting factor. Also note that the WEB- adapters require an input of at least 10 or so volts, so their A2A adapters will automatically request QC2/3 @ 12V. If your adapter does not support 12V, then it would not work properly. Your adapter should at least output 12V @ 1.5A for it to be any good after conversion losses.
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Thank you for the information. Please let me know what you can find. I do have QC adapters that support 12V. If there're adapters that works, I rather buy those instead of investing in new bricks, cables, car chargers, battery packs,... My other devices either support QC or PD. Investing in Dash charger doesn't make any sense at all.
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I think the OP is trying to avoid using OP specific cables but rather use a QC2/3-DASH adapter and a normal USB-C cable for charging the phone. That said, aftermarket cables are not that expensive on AliExpress, eBay, or even Amazon. Although if you insist, I would encourage that you get heavier gauge USB cables for this...
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Oh, then I misunderstood something. I did read it quickly.
Thanks for pointing out my error.
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Thank you for the information. Please let me know what you can find. I do have QC adapters that support 12V. If there're adapters that works, I rather buy those instead of investing in new bricks, cables, car chargers, battery packs,... My other devices either support QC or PD. Investing in Dash charger doesn't make any sense at all.
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I hear you - I did buy a multifunction car charger that supports both QC3.0 and DASH - I will report whether that works when it comes (hopefully later in the week if not the following week). I have also gotten the specialized versions from WEB- in China so once I get those I will let you know.
So I got one of the adapters today - this is an older version that does DC to Type C, so I did not expect it to work (even though it specifically listed VOOC and DASH support - maybe it worked for an older OP version).
This one was from eBay, and supposedly the seller sent me the wrong item (WEB- makes a 12V and a 20V PD version - and instead of the 20V version they sent me the 12V version instead - which can only decrease voltage due to the builtin buck converter inside).
So the question is - does it work with DASH charging? --- No, it did not. However, it is still an interesting adapter because it has broad fast charge technology support. They market this little adapter to convert your "dumb" laptop charger into a "multifunctional charger."
Interesting facts:
1. This adapter requires 12V for it to function. It does start turning on at around 11V or so, and anything below that will cause the output to shut off and the operation light to go red. The USB to USB version automatically requests QC @ 12V, but obviously, this cannot be done on a DC jack (on this particular version).
2. As soon as the voltage going in exceeds 11.5V, the output turns on with a steady blue status indication.
3. The USB-C version of this adapter supports USB-C Power Delivery (PD2.0) with three selectable voltages 5.00V @ 3.03A, 9.00V @ 2.39A, 12.00V @ 2.31A (there is a 20V version that supposedly does 15 and 20V as well for laptops, but the seller sent me the wrong version).
4. The input side is a 5.5 x 2.5 DC jack, which is somewhat odd as an input because most input jacks use the smaller 5.5 x 2.1 jack (you can use an adapter on it, however).
5. You can see from the tester that this adapter supports pretty much everything, except VOOC/DASH and 20V QC and AFC 12V.
6. QC 2.0 9V engages just fine to charge my older Nexus 6 via a USB-C to USB-A adapter (since the D+/D- lines are intact).
I do have more adapters coming in soon so I will let you know how they go once they come in (including the WEB- VOOC/DASH specialized USB-USB adapter). This particular version may be a fun adapter to play with, although it won't really help with DASH charging on the OnePlus.
tengtengvn said:
I have a ton of Qualcomm quick chargers and I'm not feeling this Dash charge with its special cable restriction. I saw this adapter and from the reddit posts, it seems to work well. It even works with normal USB Type C cable. Does anyone have experience with it and the 6T?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=SFC+AFC+VOOC+SCP&_sacat=0
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I bought the first one and tried in my car yesterday. With the cable come with OP6T, the DASH charging works! It shows charging rapidly. Cool!
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I bought the first one and tried in my car yesterday. With the cable come with OP6T, the DASH charging works! It shows charging rapidly. Cool!
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Nice. Can you link to the exact one that you bought? For it work with non dash cable?
chowfun said:
I do have more adapters coming in soon so I will let you know how they go once they come in (including the WEB- VOOC/DASH specialized USB-USB adapter). This particular version may be a fun adapter to play with, although it won't really help with DASH charging on the OnePlus.
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Wow. Thanks for the info. It looks like a good replacement for the Macbook 12 30W adapter. :laugh:
tengtengvn said:
Nice. Can you link to the exact one that you bought? For it work with non dash cable?
Wow. Thanks for the info. It looks like a good replacement for the Macbook 12 30W adapter. :laugh:
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The seller is resending me the 20V version - will let you know how that goes
Just using anker usb3.0 cables i had from a previous phone. Dont really need to dash charge, this phone seems fast enough.
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dermotti said:
Just using anker usb3.0 cables i had from a previous phone. Dont really need to dash charge, this phone seems fast enough.
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Thanks for letting us know but what point are you trying to make? :silly:
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Thanks for letting us know but what point are you trying to make? :silly:
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Lol somehow i posted in the wrong thread. Meant to post in the "what usbc are you using for your oneplus"
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Here's an update on the car adapter I have received. Note that the other adapters are still on the slow boat so I will get to them when they arrive. This isn't necessarily what you are after, but nonetheless, it's another interesting toy. If you are interested, it can be found on AliExpress under item number 32916499372.
This is a car charger that accepts 12-24V input, and also supposedly supports multiple fast charging technologies (DASH, VOOC, QC, etc). It comes with an "original" (questionable - but capable of 3.5A charge) DASH cable which is not bad at all for about $13.
Interesting facts:
1) The car charger comes with dual USB ports. One "quick charge" port and one "standard" port. The quick charge port lights up red on one side and the blue indicates the normal charge port. Some may like that it lights up, but my thought is that it's a waste of energy.
2) The Quick Charge port supports all available quick charge methods (the VOOC-DASH section don't light up probably because it doesn't use the same protocol for unblocking DASH charging that the original charger requires).
3) The charger does not require an ID chip on the USB-C cable (unlike the stock charger), which means you can use any USB-A to USB-C cable on the market to activate DASH charging (as long as the D+/D- pins are not shorted out). This car charger doesn't even have the odd PIN in the back of the USB connector for the ID communication.
4) The car charger is not as fast as the stock wall charger, which charges around 3.5A. Here are the test comparisons (allow some current variances due to battery percentage ~70-72% - note all of them had the lightning bolt on the charging indicator which indicated that DASH was indeed activated with none of these cables having D+/D- shorted):
a) Normal, 1 ft USB-A to C Cable: 2.46A
b) Bundled DASH cable, w/ car charger: 2.73A
c) Bundled DASH cable, w/ stock wall charger: 3.5A
d) Normal, 3 ft (Rankie) USB C Cable: 2.56A
e) Normal, 3 ft MicroUSB w/ USB-C Adapter (ANKER): 1.95A
f) Normal, 3 ft multi (MicroUSB + Type C) free conference charging cable: 1.32A (this one did not "pass" the fast charging test because the current is below 1.5A but nonetheless it triggered DASH charging).
Not a big difference if you use quality cables, although don't expect it to charge as fast as the wall charger - nonetheless, it is still doing pretty well with less heat generated due to lesser current.
5) As mentioned previously, the charger supports multiple charging technologies besides DASH, where it activated QC 2.0 9V on my Nexus 6 just fine.
6) Since this adapter allows 12-24V DC input, you can use a DC to lighter adapter to power this device (as you can see in my screenshots I used a laptop battery pack and a 12V router wall brick and it was able to turn on and charge my devices just fine.) This may also be a good way to have a longer reach charging solution since DASH is very cable sensitive and it is best to keep the cable length short to minimize the reduction in charging currents.
Here's a test of the 100 cm noodle cable on AliExpress (item 32806193071):
Using the stock wall charger, charging the phone @ ~50%:
The genuine OnePlus cable was able to charge at 3.657A @ 4.69V (17.15W).
The noodle cable on AliExpress was able to charge at 3.617A @ 4.81V (17.4W).
Based on the results, it seemed like the quality was as good as the genuine cable, at least the copper that is carrying the power to the phone.
Here are the test results of the final adapter I received from WEB- (the specialized VOOC-DASH version - Taobao Item #560336325713):
Stuff to note:
1) This adapter is very similar to the car adapter, in which it supports pretty much all quick charge technologies and it does not require the OnePlus ID chip to activate DASH charging. However, this adapter is QC activated and has a USB-A input interface. Like the car charger, this charger is also not as fast as the stock wall brick, although it is still relatively quick.)
2) The USB pinout schematic also looks the same as the car charger (USB 2.0 with no dangling USB 3.0 pin in the back for ID chip identification).
3) Like the other 12V based WEB- adapters, this one uses the IP6518C chipset, which supports a wide voltage input (10.5V - 32V - from the chipset datasheet).
4) The board looks fairly similar to the USB-C board, except this one has a USB-A input (which is interesting because the board has the DC 12V-24V marking on it still).
5) The board also has the POW and OK lights similar to the USB-C version.
6) Since the board accepts broad input voltages, it is not required to use QC for the input voltage. A USB-A to 5.5 x 2.1 adapter could be used to also provide the DC input, as long as the voltage is above 10.5V.
7) Although the board indeed supports down stepping a 20V DC input, it seems like it is a bit less efficient in doing so than a 12V input.
8) Similar to the previous cable tests, the quality and the length of the cable really makes a difference. The shorter and the better quality cable that is used, the better the charging rate (remember that an official cable does not need to be used for third-party chargers).
9) As mentioned previously, this charger supports other fast charging technologies, like QC2.0 - which works fine in charging my Nexus 6 at 9V.
10) This charger / adapter essentially allows any 12V @ 1.5A output to be a multifunction fast charger w/ DASH support. In my example, I used a Xiaomi router wall brick (12 V @ 1.5A DC) and it charges my phone using DASH at almost 3A output using a short 1ft USB-C cable! (the phone registers the current slightly lower at around 2750mA).
Great info, @chowfun. I was able to purchase 2 OPPO wall chargers from Asia and a 3rd party VOOC car charger which work great.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78182174&postcount=24
I also got the same oneplus flat cable but 150cm length. It works good with no notable slow down.
From your findings, it looks like the WEB- adapter charge slower but that's still plenty fast and much more convenience. :good: Does it generate a lot of heat when charging a low battery?
Nice keyboard, I like it. ?
That said, the Quick9 charger you bought probably does not require the ID chip as far as DASH is concerned. I didn't get that one because it had a lower current rating and that the top of the charger is wider than the other one I bought. I doubt the OPPO charger would work with a regular microUSB cable since I presume that it also requires the chip on the cable end... Did you also see what kind of maximum currents you are seeing on those chargers?
Heat wise, it does generate a bit of heat with the conversion. But given that the adapter is housed in an aluminum case it's to be expected. It feels just slightly warm to the touch, but not exactly hot to the touch. Instead of that conversion being done in the phone it's just being done outside the phone which is directing the heat away from the battery...
chowfun said:
Nice keyboard, I like it.
That said, the Quick9 charger you bought probably does not require the ID chip as far as DASH is concerned. I doubt the OPPO charger would work with a regular microUSB cable since I presume that it also requires the chip on the cable end... Did you also see what kind of maximum currents you are seeing on those charges?
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LOL. My wife doesn't like those RGB lights. lol
The input and output of the OPPO charger look exactly the same as the 1+ charger. It's pretty much identical except for the cosmetic (logo, prints, the USB A female is green). They're selling for $4.