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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
The general consensus is that's just how the phone is. However some lucky people don't seem to notice screens quality (or lack thereof).
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
irev210 said:
Welcome to the PenTile display.
Just the way it is. For best results, try to hold the phone far away.
I think it's actually a pretty cool technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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i have the photon , but i really dont like the screen quality (sharpness and color wise)compared to my old epic. not trying to troll here, just to ask if anyone think it can be fixed with a software update or is it a hardware issue?
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Coming from the Epic, who's Super AMOLED screen also uses a pentile subpixel arrangement also mind you, you shouldn't really be noticing a sharpness difference between them. But yes, any and literally all LCDs do look duller and more muted than the Super AMOLED. It's just a nature of the technology.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Well, I can say that, due to it's white subpixels, it is a brighter display that is much more viewable in sunlight. It is also much better on toast.
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I watch videos all the time on my phone and I don't like it. It is too grainy, the color is off, too much sharpness, black is too dark and any hint of light in the scene and its too bright. HD quality videos look pretty good but lower resolution videos just look bad.
I see the problem in dark scenes where there is very little light you can't differentiate any objects in the dark area. Its all a blur. In the same scene the face has little light on it but it will be over satuated. Its like someone is shining a flashlight in his face. If any of you watch Showtime's Dexter you will see what I mean as the show has a lot of scenes in dark warehouses.
Yes I think they can make it better with software. They can turn down the sharpness. They can allow a little light to be on during dark scene rather then let it be all black (total absence of light). They can try different color temperature because right now all the human skin looks too red to me. They can dial down the intensity of white on lighted scenes.
Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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Just got home with my Photon, which I bought primarily because it's a world phone and specs looked pretty good. Gotta agree with OP, the display is piss poor. Just might return it for something else. Kinda mad I turned in my EVO. Overall I played $99. We'll see...sigh.
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First thing you need to do is turn the brightness all the way down and turn off the auto brightness too. The screen will look much better.
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can you please share with me whats so cool about this technology? thanks
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
One thing that is kind of cool, is that the CEO actually replied to (and blogged about) an AndroidForums thread discussing the P4G screen. Spend some time reading that thread for even greater detail about the merits of the Pentile screen.
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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I'm very happy with the screen myself, very easy to read in sunlight especially but very bright in general (which i like). The colors were "different" compared to the evo and evo 3d I had prior but after a few hours, I started noticing more color and details in apps that I hadn't ever seen before. I feel it looks much better overall vs the evo and evo 3d. Yes, I do see the checkerboard when the display is off if I look at the right angle but I dont notice it when the screen is on.
This phone has so many pluses, and the screen is one of them to me.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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You are seriously making me think that something is wrong with my phone, man. Cuz if what I'm seeing on mine is consistent throughout, there's no way a person can think it looks good. Some of the pictures look like they are in 8-bit. I'm really disappointed.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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Yeah, i'd maybe compare it to the store display if possible because I think mine looks excellent, and the display in my local stores looks really good too. I usually keep my display cranked up pretty high, and it has much better blacks and white levels then i ever had on my evo or evo 3d.
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I played some Netflix movies and they looked really bad to a point where I'm like Motorola couldn't have released a multi-media phone with such piss poor video and picture quality. I'm taking back the phone tomorrow to switch it out.
Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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Here's another question. I put in my sdcard from my EVO and none of the pictures fill the screen. I noticed the same thing on the carousel view in the FB integration. The pictures don't fill the screen. Any ideas?
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How does it look if you use a different Gallery app like QuickPic?
I, for one like the screen. There is no "burn in" like the galaxy s phones and the Nexus S. I can see the pixel separation, but it doesn't bother me a bit. Maybe you guys need to quit making out with your screens.
I'm not looking for fantastic. I'm coming from the EVO which, even though washed out compared to a Super Amoled, looked fine to me. The problem appears that in areas of high contrast or in shadows, the blacks are too black so picture actually looks blotchy. Believe me when I tell you I'm not the overly picky type. But image quality is definitely a step down compared to my Evo.
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Jump over here and do some reading:
http://pentileblog.com/
Granted, it's the CEO of Pentile, so obviously they have a bit of a bias... but she also offers fascinating technical insight behind the technology as well.
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Nice explanation of PenTile. I also have no issues with the display and think it is quite good in comparison to my E4G. I wonder if the different perceptions are due to astigmatism. Last year I got lens implants that corrected most of my astigmatism (some remaining, but not much). Maybe people with a lot of uncorrected astigmatism are more sensitive to the display? Maybe it's the opposite and astigmatism makes the effect harder to see and I have just enough astigmatism left to make it not noticeable?
I thought the display was fine, and while I could see the screen door effect, only really noticed it while looking for it.
Then I installed a game where blue was a predominant color used in the background, Wisp Lite, currently featured on the Android Market. Anyone would immediately notice the screen door effect on the background, it was so obvious.
Mulling if this matters enough for me to consider returning it.
I was really looking forward to the GS2 on AT&T, but then somebody mentioned screen burn, and I was just curious how susceptible to screen burn it is? Is it something that I would need to worry about?
I've had my SGS2 since may when it first came out. I noticed it last week when using the PlayerPro music app.
The background is on this app is grey which includes where the status bar normally is. I could see where the battery, time, alarm clock icon and signal bars have burnt in.
Then i noticed i can faintly see the home screen app icons when i pull the notification bar down.
So yes.. screen burn is real. Very disappointing. I'd rather have LCD than this amoled that starts to burn in after 4 months. I'm wondering if this'll be covered by the warranty.
Anyone else getting this too?
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I've had my SGS2 since may when it first came out. I noticed it last week when using the PlayerPro music app.
The background is on this app is grey which includes where the status bar normally is. I could see where the battery, time, alarm clock icon and signal bars have burnt in.
Then i noticed i can faintly see the home screen app icons when i pull the notification bar down.
So yes.. screen burn is real. Very disappointing. I'd rather have LCD than this amoled that starts to burn in after 4 months. I'm wondering if this'll be covered by the warranty.
Anyone else getting this too?
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Did you leave your screen on for long periods of time? Screen burn in is a 'feature' of amoleds, but I think you've gotta try kinda hard to make it happen...
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Did you leave your screen on for long periods of time? Screen burn in is a 'feature' of amoleds, but I think you've gotta try kinda hard to make it happen...
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No I don't have the screen on for long. It is set to 15 second time out. I don't use it that much during the day at work. I never watch movies on it or play games. Just calls, text email and net with a few apps.
What brightness level you use?
I have it set too auto brightness. See attached.
Download PlayerPro its free. you might see burn starting on yours too. also show up in google sky map quite clearly.
I took a screen shot to see if it carried the effect over to my pc.. Don't laugh! The iPad burn works like that. It must be a memory related thing. Anyway..thats not the case on the SGS2
Well if you have auto brightness on, wouldn't that mean sometimes your brightness level would be exceedingly high enough to cause a screen burn? I haven't experienced any screen burn yet, even though I tend to have 4-5 hours of display time watching a lot of videos.
My brightness is at 50% and its definitely got some burn in. Very disappointing.
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My brightness is at 50% and its definitely got some burn in. Very disappointing.
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Yeah it sucks. F*** samoled+, the trade off isn't worth it. What will my phone be like in another 4 months? Willl Samsung do anything about it? Probably not
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Well if you have auto brightness on, wouldn't that mean sometimes your brightness level would be exceedingly high enough to cause a screen burn?
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No really..it never seems that bright to me? If it ever did get bright i would turn it down as its a waste of battery
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I haven't experienced any screen burn yet, even though I tend to have 4-5 hours of display time watching a lot of videos.
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I don't think watching videos will do make noticeable burn. You need static images to create the burn. Download Playerpro, its free in the market, play a song and look at the task bar area and post back.
You mean when the top screen is covered in gray by the app listing the song, instead of showing the notification bar?
Well I downloaded playerpro and played a song (loca people by sak Noel-in case you were wondering ) and there appeared to be some very faint blobs where the status bar icons are. BUT they seemed to fade after a few seconds, maybe my screen is not quite there yet, but it seems to be heading in that direction.
I dread to think what I'd do if there was burn in anywhere other than the status bar. I think I would die.
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Well I downloaded playerpro and played a song (loca people by sak Noel-in case you were wondering ) and there appeared to be some very faint blobs where the status bar icons are. BUT they seemed to fade after a few seconds, maybe my screen is not quite there yet, but it seems to be heading in that direction.
I dread to think what I'd do if there was burn in anywhere other than the status bar. I think I would die.
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Good tune! I didn't notice the burn until installed PlayerPro. It doesn't really show in other apps or homescreens. Hopefully it won't get any worse
This issue is pretty well documented with AMOLED, but really, how long do folks keep their devices around here?
I get a new phone at least once a year, sometimes as many as two or three times a year if I decide to sell/trade/upgrade, etc., so even in the event of some small burn-in, it's not something I'm going to obsess about. My phone is a tool, and it does what I need it to do, and when it doesn't, I get another... and I'm not rich, and I do like to take good care of my equipment, but I expect that there's going to be some trade-offs in terms of design... and I suspect that most of us knew about this AMOLED burn-in issue, same as with plasma TVs, though maybe not all.
Yeah but screen burn is going to seriously lower the value of the phone for a trade.
You said it's a pretty well documented issue with AMOLED, but does SAMOLED have the same issue....or is it different?
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and I suspect that most of us knew about this AMOLED burn-in issue, same as with plasma TVs, though maybe not all.
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A year or two I can live with that. But 16 weeks? The phone cost more than than the average plasma TV too!
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This issue is pretty well documented with AMOLED, but really, how long do folks keep their devices around here?
I get a new phone at least once a year, sometimes as many as two or three times a year if I decide to sell/trade/upgrade, etc., so even in the event of some small burn-in, it's not something I'm going to obsess about. My phone is a tool, and it does what I need it to do, and when it doesn't, I get another... and I'm not rich, and I do like to take good care of my equipment, but I expect that there's going to be some trade-offs in terms of design... and I suspect that most of us knew about this AMOLED burn-in issue, same as with plasma TVs, though maybe not all.
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Thats all good and weel if you can afford it but most people cant and are tied in to 2 year contracts ive had my phone 4 months and the burn in is terrible i took it back to carphone warehouse and they tried to fob me off saying theyd never seen or heard of screen burn on a phone and to ring samsung so now my phones on its way to them to have the screen replaced under warranty
So for anyone suffering from this issue get onto samsung and get it sorted thats what the 2 year warranty is for
So, how did it go with that screen replacement. Did you get it covered under warranty?
I was playing around with this phone at a Verizon store today and noticed weird fuzziness on text & around icons. I thought there was something wrong with my eyes at first, but then realized none of the other phones in the store were doing it. I then went to another RAZR that was on display and it was the same way also. I could see it holding the phone roughly 2ft away... granted, if I extended my arm out I couldn't tell anymore.
wow though.. when. saw all the reviews of people comlaining about the screen I didn't realize how bad it actually is. granted, I don't wear glasses & have 20/20 vision so I'm not sure if everyone is affected. you'd think they would at least have some sort of blur filter to mask it.
What are you talking about.... I compare my razr with high brightness setting with my gf iPhone 4s, beat the retina display
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No problems with my display, looks great all day all night. Came from atrix though, so maybe thats the deal.
I cant see any Pentile effects until its less than 1 foot 3in away. Past that I dont see it anymore. My viewing distances is between 1ft 3in and 1ft 9 in. If you can see it at 2 feet away....you have very good, exceptional eye sight.
And when I say I can see it...thats the closest distance I can start seeing it if I focus on the icon edges and texts. And it seems to be certain color texts on certain color backgrounds. Cuz on my home screens I can see the effect real good. I tried a website and I cant see it at all.
Actually....I must have short arms too cuz at 2 feet away thats like almost at the extreme length of my arms. EDIT...Ok...sitting down I use the phone about at that distance...lol. But stretched out in front of me its uncomfortable.
As far as it being bad, real bad, extremely bad...lol. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Hey....at extreme closeness for me, yea its bad around icons and texts. But thats at extreme closeness....for me. To me...some ppl make it out like the entire screen looks like a screen door. Thats not the case. I also think everyone doesnt have the same viewing distances to see the effects. And I have pretty decent eye sight. So you will see some ppl that dont see it at all, period. And some that see it like you do.
So how do ppl tolerate it? The ppl that dont, cant see it....there is nothing to tolerate. Ppl that can see it under specific conditions...like me...those specific conditions are not normal use for me. Like viewing angles of most LCD screens on phones. They wash out, fade bad. I always look at my phone screen straight on. So Amoled viewing angles dont really matter unless you are trying to show ppl things on your phone. Noprmally I would want them to see the phone screen straight on anyway. Its all about specific conditions...
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I cant see any Pentile effects until its less than 1 foot 3in away. Past that I dont see it anymore. My viewing distances is between 1ft 3in and 1ft 9 in. If you can see it at 2 feet away....you have very good, exceptional eye sight.
And when I say I can see it...thats the closest distance I can start seeing it if I focus on the icon edges and texts. And it seems to be certain color texts on certain color backgrounds. Cuz on my home screens I can see the effect real good. I tried a website and I cant see it at all.
Actually....I must have short arms too cuz at 2 feet away thats like almost at the extreme length of my arms. EDIT...Ok...sitting down I use the phone about at that distance...lol. But stretched out in front of me its uncomfortable.
As far as it being bad, real bad, extremely bad...lol. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
Hey....at extreme closeness for me, yea its bad around icons and texts. But thats at extreme closeness....for me. To me...some ppl make it out like the entire screen looks like a screen door. Thats not the case. I also think everyone doesnt have the same viewing distances to see the effects. And I have pretty decent eye sight. So you will see some ppl that dont see it at all, period. And some that see it like you do.
So how do ppl tolerate it? The ppl that dont, cant see it....there is nothing to tolerate. Ppl that can see it under specific conditions...like me...those specific conditions are not normal use for me. Like viewing angles of most LCD screens on phones. They wash out, fade bad. I always look at my phone screen straight on. So Amoled viewing angles dont really matter unless you are trying to show ppl things on your phone. Noprmally I would want them to see the phone screen straight on anyway. Its all about specific conditions...
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yeah... if your eyes don't notice it its not a problem. similiar thing happened when I traded in a couple of Sony PSP 2001 models so I could grab the new 3001 model. I could see big time intrrlacing/scanline effects all over the screen(mainly when there was a lot of motion). I took it back complaining and the guy at the counter said he couldn't see it.... yet I found a bunch of forums/reviews of people specifying that they had the same experiences as me.
oh, and at 2ft away I could just barely notice it... but at about 1ft away it really bothered me and kept feeling like there was something wrong with my eyes. damn though, the phone does look & feel really cool.
btw, my eyes may be good, but my hearing is crap from years of partying & dj'ing. everytime someone talks to me I'm all "pardon?"...
Why do people that don't own the phone, or are not considering it, feel compelled to start a whole thread to complain about it?
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I don't notice any problems. The text looks good to me.
Gave me a headache the first day I used it. Seem to have adapted to it now. Increasing the size of text in commonly used apps helped a lot.
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I have both the Rezound and Razr.. Razr is good, better than Bionic.. but after the Rezound, everything else is just ok now.
Is this the first pentile you have seen, or a loaded thread?
Most reviews actually like the display in relation to the actual bad reviews of the display. I agree there are better displays like the Rezound, but the Razr display is not as bad as implied. Does look funky next to the Rezound though.
yea, went to verizon to compare rezound and razr sceens last week. first went to razr and it looked really good. then to rezound with the wavy dots live wallpaper and was amazed. walked back to razr and instantly saw all the pentile dots everywhere. it all changes with perspective.
maybe its the crack you were smoking... this screen is fantastic! is it perfect? nope, but which one is?
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I was playing around with this phone at a Verizon store today and noticed weird fuzziness on text & around icons. I thought there was something wrong with my eyes at first, but then realized none of the other phones in the store were doing it. I then went to another RAZR that was on display and it was the same way also. I could see it holding the phone roughly 2ft away... granted, if I extended my arm out I couldn't tell anymore.
wow though.. when. saw all the reviews of people comlaining about the screen I didn't realize how bad it actually is. granted, I don't wear glasses & have 20/20 vision so I'm not sure if everyone is affected. you'd think they would at least have some sort of blur filter to mask it.
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I saw no problems with the screen, and actually found it very crisp... IDK what u saw hoenstly, maybe its 20/180 vision u have?
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I saw no problems with the screen, and actually found it very crisp... IDK what u saw hoenstly, maybe its 20/180 vision u have?
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May be he just saw lock screen. Yes you can saw pixels clearly on blur lock screen. But after unlock it is fine.
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Razr's screen is great once your eyes adapt to it which usually takes a day. Rezounds screen might be better but i am not sure if it can produce colors like razrs. Plus dont forget that rezound is 2x thicker than razr.
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maybe its the crack you were smoking... this screen is fantastic! is it perfect? nope, but which one is?
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iPhone 4... Sorry but its true. Getting my razr today and I'm praying I can tolerate the display. I've been trying to get rid of my iPhone for a while now, because it's driving me insane. (great hardware, no awesome hardware, but iOS? Lol what a crappy OS).
But every android I had so far just sucked. S2? Ugly as hell. sensation? Are you serious with that display?
And now the razr. I really hope third ones the charm. Was thinking about galax nexus but no sd card is a no go. Why is it so hard to make a good phone? Somewhere around a 4" screen, notification led, sd card slot and a display that doesn't give you a headache when you're reading an article for 20 minutes.
Would get the rezound, but for some reason I do not understand it's not coming to Europe...
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I was playing around with this phone at a Verizon store today and noticed weird fuzziness on text & around icons. I thought there was something wrong with my eyes at first, but then realized none of the other phones in the store were doing it. I then went to another RAZR that was on display and it was the same way also. I could see it holding the phone roughly 2ft away... granted, if I extended my arm out I couldn't tell anymore.
wow though.. when. saw all the reviews of people comlaining about the screen I didn't realize how bad it actually is. granted, I don't wear glasses & have 20/20 vision so I'm not sure if everyone is affected. you'd think they would at least have some sort of blur filter to mask it.
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I went to one Verizon Store and the Screen looked Great!!! I went to another Verizon Store and it did not look as good as the other. What I am saying to you is that in every store the screens on the RazR can change.
If you compare the RAZR display to the SGS2 one, the only problem is that RAZR is PenTile Matrix while SGS2 is RGB.
RGB looks really better (only for resolution), while the RAZR's PenTile (not an OLD PenTile, it's a new one, the pixels are really small compared to the oldies...like ATRIX as well) is better: better vibrance, better colors, better resolution.
It's bad at the beginning, but if you use it for a couple of days, you'll see it isn't bad!
Ask yourself why most of these complainers who try to throw some **** to RAZR's fantastic display, dont even mention that their phones' poor signal reception, call quality and low speaker volume, cheap build quality, erratic battery issues in their own forums ?
Just my 2cents.
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May be he just saw lock screen. Yes you can saw pixels clearly on blur lock screen. But after unlock it is fine.
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And I really think that the lock screen is done by design. If you look closely at the area with no letters or numbers it looks like mesh. Look at the area while you are unlocking thats not part of the lock screen, around the lock icon, and it looks clear. Like look at the notification shade when its pulled down. You can see thru it and it looks like mesh. I think its by design.
Like on the Bionic's lock screen and car dock screen.
It's been floating around for a bit. Compared to the note 8 it looks absolutely horrible. Really bad. Was thinking about getting this phone till I saw this!!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/
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It's been floating around for a bit. Compared to the note 8 it looks absolutely horrible. Really bad. Was thinking about getting this phone till I saw this!!
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/lg-v30-hands-on-lgs-oled-displays-still-have-quality-issues/
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Hopefully just pre-production issues.
LG actually makes the best OLED panels for TVs that even Sony uses for their TVs. So, there's no reason there should be any quality issues, except LG Display is a "separate" company from the LG company that makes cell phones. However, Google gave them almost $1 billion to get another line up and running to help out with the 2017 Pixel XL. Google used Samsung displays last year, but will be using LG displays this year and LG will be making the 2017 Pixel XL. So, if you are worried, wait a few months until the Pixels especially are in production before buying an LG V30. Because Google will make them straighten out any problems.
FYI, in the reader comments, someone mentioned another reviewer PRAISED the LG V30 display as being excellent. So, the Ars Technica guy may have just gotten a lemon or again, just pre-production issues.
It's one pre production unit. Can't really pass judgement on this yet.
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It's one pre production unit. Can't really pass judgement on this yet.
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Correct, a sample of one. I don't stare at black screens so uneven lighting doesn't bother me in actual use. Most people have praised the screen. So, as long as it looks good when it actually displaying images, I will be happy.
I know other don't feel the same.
It's disturbing.
There are at least two reviews that note banding and screen uniformity issues. There will be more. This issue is cause by the P-OLED manufacturing process LG employs. Screen colors are vibrant and gorgeous ... that is, until you start reducing the LED color input (or dimming the screen). Then the problems start showing up. Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
Side by side comparison to a Note 8 has proven this issue given that the V30 has a higher pixel density.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt the production units will be any different.
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It's disturbing.
There are at least two reviews that note banding and screen uniformity issues. There will be more. This issue is cause by the P-OLED manufacturing process LG employs. Screen colors are vibrant and gorgeous ... that is, until you start reducing the LED color input (or dimming the screen). Then the problems start showing up. Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
Side by side comparison to a Note 8 has proven this issue given that the V30 has a higher pixel density.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt the production units will be any different.
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No,it's not disturbing. Most reviewers say it's fantastic. You will find a couple of reviewers will always give critical reviews no matter what.
http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/artic...erb-photos-and-gorgeous-display-top-hard-beat
This switch in display tech, along with further refinement of the already slim bezels of the G6, makes the V30’s screen hands down the best LG smartphone screen ever. All colours look lush and gorgeous, especially the blacks and red, and the display and glass back both curve towards the metal frame for that symmetrical “glass sandwich” look that Samsung pioneered.
The V30 ticks just about every smartphone box, including a whole bunch that most people never asked for. It has a large, gorgeous OLED display with slim bezels, cameras that excel in low light situations and the newest mobile processor. It is IP68 water-resistant, comes with hi-fi audio capabilities and can be charged wirelessly.
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Okay, the next thing you'll notice is that brilliant 6-inch screen. LG has switched to using OLED panels, and the result is fantastic
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It's not even 50/50. I can find you 10 positive reviews for every negative one.
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Few will notice due to the high QHD+ screen resolution and keeping a normal screen brightness.
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Yes, my light bulbs tend to turn dark when I turn them off.
These reviewers are using pre-production models, so actual retail won't be any worse and will probably be better. And even with that caveat, it's about 10/1 rave reviews.
Ok...Find me a pre-review that compares the V30's screen quality directly to another phone's screen quality. You'll find a lot of Note 8 and G6 reviews reference the V30's change to OLED but no direct OLED quality comparison.
Secondly, have you owned any P-OLED screen phones before? I have. Still have em. Their screens get better with each iteration but that banding (and graininess) is still there. OG G Flex - saturated screen bad, grainy 720p. G Flex 2 - Crispy saturated OLED colors noticeable banding, less grain on 1080p. V30 looks great brightness all the way up but....it's 1440p right?
I know the hope is real, but this is a hardware issue. Much harder to figure out than a camera software fix.
Think about this: When the V10 and V20 pre-review units went out, LG never revised their hardware - only the software was updated.
....Like I said I hope I'm wrong.
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Ok...Find me a pre-review that compares the V30's screen quality directly to another phone's screen quality. You'll find a lot of Note 8 and G6 reviews reference the V30's change to OLED but no direct OLED quality comparison.
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I found plenty comparing LG to Samsung OLED quality. Here's three below.
Then "worst" review is first... The only quibble mentioned on the first review (in one pre production unit) was "low light" issues, not banding nor uniformity. And the first reviewer even mentions LG"s crappy P-OLED efforts years ago and says that's not evident on this LG V30. He praises the current phone display as does the 2nd reviewer and third -- and ALL compare to Samsung's OLEDs, like the S7, S8, S8+.
1) LG V30 initial review: The no-BS flagship
I'm happy to report that the company has made a huge amount of progress over the past two years, to the point where V30's screen is almost as good as Samsung's SuperAMOLED. That sounds like faint praise, but I'm actually more than satisfied with what LG has brought to the table here. It's not Galaxy S8 good, but it's surprisingly close, and that's an achievement in itself.
Samsung is still the king of smartphone displays, there's no doubt about that. But LG's latest screen, at Quad HD+ resolution, looks fantastic and punchy, and unlike some of those older P-OLED panels, is clear enough to use outdoors in bright daylight.
If anything, this display's major weakness is in low light. It has an unfortunate tendency to crush shadow details at lower brightness levels, to the point where dark areas become illegible — and that's not great if you're watching Netflix by candlelight, or trying to judge exposure in a low-light photo. This is a disappointing holdover from older OLED efforts, and it's easily fixed in software by simply raising the floor for brightness, but that's not exactly ideal.
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The display, despite some low-light issues, is a step beyond any previous LG phone in terms of quality and daylight legibility. The size is near perfect for me, providing an expansive display in a more ergonomic handset than Samsung can currently offer.
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The V30's going to have its work cut out going up against the Note 8s and Pixels and iPhones of the world when it launches. But for the moment, it's easily among the best Android phones I've used, and has every chance of being a sleeper hit for late 2017.
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2) LG's Upcoming V30 May Be Its Best Smartphone Yet
“Is that the new Samsung phone?” I’ve been asked that several times the past few weeks, as I’ve been testing out LG’s upcoming V30 smartphone. And I get it, as the phone is thin, black-fronted, sleek, large, and has rounded edges with a big screen that covers a massive area. No doubt that at quick glance, the resemblance to what I've seen of the Samsung Galaxy Note8 in photos is close.
And because I regularly use a two-year-old Samsung phone, I’ve noticed that the similarities extend beyond sheer looks. For instance, the V30 has a vibrant screen. It’s the best one I’ve seen on an LG phone yet. Colors are intense while blacks are pitch dark. Photos truly pop -- something that I find beautiful in all of the latest Samsung models but lacking in recent LG phones. In this case, LG attributes that radiance to “QHD+ resolution” plus a 6-inch OLED display. Apparently, self-lighting pixels help generate infinite contrast. Sparing you the tech jargon, it’s just a terrific display that can be adjusted to be very bright -- although it doesn’t quite max out as bright as the display on my Samsung.
This makes looking at photos and videos a pleasure.
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3) LG V30 hands-on: Believe the hype
LG is back in the game
LG has talked a lot about the improvement in image quality as it switches from LCD to OLED in the V30. For me, the six-inch, Quad HD+ display (2880 x 1440) is one of the handset’s best elements. The colors look bright and vivid, almost popping off the screen – watching HDR YouTube content on it is breathtaking.
I’ve found the contrast between black and white makes reading text so good that I’m now using the V30 instead of my iPad Air 2 to peruse web articles. The phone's screen trounces my Galaxy S7 Edge, and while I only compared the two briefly, I also preferred it to the S8+.
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And after using it for about a week, I still got that “wow” feeling every time the gorgeous display came to life.
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So, there's three specific comparisons to Samsung, talking specifically about the display and how GREAT it is. You want more, I'll give them to you.
Now two more facts...
1) Google PIXEL XL2 will have the same LG OLED display as found in the LG V30.
2) LG Display’s OLEDs Coming on Premium Phone from Huawei, OPPO, Vivo and Xiaomi
https://www.gizmochina.com/2017/09/...coming-premium-phone-huawei-oppo-vivo-xiaomi/
Well, production unit issues are backing up my previous statements.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
"According to a recent report from South Korea, LG customers who have had the opportunity to purchase the LG V30 after its September 21 debut in the country have started raising complaints in regards to the quality of the display. Apparently, the issue lies in the P-OLED panel’s inability to distribute colors and brightness evenly across the entire surface, resulting in an undesirable effect similar to the so-called “light bleeding” usually exhibited by backlit LCD panels."
Things to Keep In Mind:
1. The screen is still beautiful and vivid despite this issue
2. LG is aware, and price will come in lower (will continue to go down slightly as all units will have this issue)
3. Screen will not take away all the features packed into the phone
4. Consumers will have to decide between light uniformity issues vs. the better battery life and weight advantages the P-OLED screen brings.
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Well, production unit issues are backing up my previous statements.
https://www.androidheadlines.com/20...screen-exhibiting-color-imbalance-issues.html
"According to a recent report from South Korea, LG customers who have had the opportunity to purchase the LG V30 after its September 21 debut in the country have started raising complaints in regards to the quality of the display. Apparently, the issue lies in the P-OLED panel’s inability to distribute colors and brightness evenly across the entire surface, resulting in an undesirable effect similar to the so-called “light bleeding” usually exhibited by backlit LCD panels."
Things to Keep In Mind:
1. The screen is still beautiful and vivid despite this issue
2. LG is aware, and price will come in lower (will continue to go down slightly as all units will have this issue)
3. Screen will not take away all the features packed into the phone
4. Consumers will have to decide between light uniformity issues vs. the better battery life and weight advantages the P-OLED screen brings.
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I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Google is also using LG OLED for the Pixel 2 XL, so they're satisfied with the quality.
As are all the reviewers I quoted, directly comparing to Samsung AMOLED.
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I'm taking it with a grain of salt. Google is also using LG OLED for the Pixel 2 XL, so they're satisfied with the quality.
As are all the reviewers I quoted, directly comparing to Samsung AMOLED.
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You make a good point here. If Google is using lg's P-OLED panels. Then they seem to be good enough. I'm taking all this news with a grain of salt. I'll wait till the V30 actually launches in the US and US reviewers start reviewing production models.
Funny thing is that reputable tech reviewers like MKBHD, Pocket now, Mr. Mobile, etc have had nothing but praise and thye all had pre production models. I usually don't trust all these others tech sites as they are biased most of the time or too critical/take it out of proportion.
We'll see how the pixel is received and I can tell you that most of these site won't says anything about the pixel's display.
Just because Google is using them, doesn't make them great. The Nexus 6 had horrible screens.
Actually, the screen on the Nexus 6 was the main appeal. It was gorgeous at the time and it might still be my daily driver if it only had SD.
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Just because Google is using them, doesn't make them great. The Nexus 6 had horrible screens.
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No, not really. The screen on Nexus 6 is beautiful. I have a Nexus 6. It is a tab but warm compared to other screens bit it doesn't take away from the experience at all.
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No, not really. The screen on Nexus 6 is beautiful. I have a Nexus 6. It is a tab but warm compared to other screens bit it doesn't take away from the experience at all.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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I know there are threads about screen issues. I'm saying that I never had these issues. And I know atleast 10 others that don't have the issue. My dad, some devs and couple friends.
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I had 3 Nexus 6's and all had screen banding on gray backgrounds, just like the Galaxy s2 and S3.
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Dude, looks like you had bad units all three time. My phone doesn't have that problem. And I know a lot of people who don't have the banding problem.
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I had one, wife had one, son had one. I swapped mine twice. No way 5 in a row were just a "bad run".
There's threads on here about the Nexus 6 screen issues.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but let me tell you a story. I work professionally in broadcast TV, on the technical side. I know about video, and now specifically about HD video. My experience includes not only content creation but QC at the highest levels for global #1 brand.
We have the BEST equipment, the best video displays -- so I know what's good and what's crap. I watch HD video for a living you might say. Back in early 2008, I personally bought my first HD TV, a 60" Sony Bravia 1080p. It was FANTASTIC. In the years since, I've replaced it with another 60" TV, but this story is about that Sony. I did my research, and I bought that TV because it was the best TV for the money at the time. (I couldn't afford Panasonic plasma back then.)
In a forum much like this one, there were a few OCD people who found issues with that specific model Sony Bravia 1080p TVs. Light leakage, banding, blah, blah, blah. One guy took back his TV THREE TIMES to get replacements. Yet, that year, THAT TV model won Best HD TV of the Year award. I kept my TV for 6 years, finally replacing it in 2014 when the technology got so much better. There was NOTHING wrong with that TV.
So, where's the disconnect? I think some people look for flaws that aren't there and find them. Looking through the threads, these same people seem to take back ALL their TVs. I don't know why, and I don't want to disparage them. Maybe it made them feel superior to see flaws that weren't there.
But remember, I know more about video displays than they do, and how good HD video should look (FROM THE SOURCE!). Seeing that TV in my living room looking at the exact same video I had seen at the source back at work, I knew what looked "good" and what didn't. That TV looked fantastic. So, I think there were other issues going on than the actual TV. (Yes, you have to set up all HD TVs -- tweak the settings. You can't just use them out of the box, or you often have cartoonish skin tones. But these people also claimed extensive knowledge in how to set up a TV, so it wasn't that.)
Yes, there will be lemons in a production run of a million units, but those occasional lemons don't tarnish the whole model. That guy that took three back, I'm very skeptical he got three bad TVs in a row and I got the only "perfect" one. You know?
It's my profession, so video is very important to me. But right now, I have to say I take professional reviewers word over "reports" from South Korea. And if Google and many others are using LG OLED displays, and Google is using it for their XL flagship this year, they must have great quality.
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I know there are threads about screen issues. I'm saying that I never had these issues. And I know atleast 10 others that don't have the issue. My dad, some devs and couple friends.
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See above. That's not to say there may not be early production issues, but U.S. units will be shipped later so it should be all straightened out. I'm just VERY skeptical of when a few people find "problems" like this. Then when you look at their history, they are the only ones who seem to be plagued with these problems over and over.
You got me all wrong. You can do whatever profession or job you want, doesn't make you an expert because you work with certain equipment. Car salesman work with cars all day long, doesn't make them experts on engines.
I know what I look for because I know what I pay for, I know my first s8+ had red tint on the top right side of the screen. This one don't, I've looked and looked on this one, can't find it. You can't find something that isn't there. But if something's there and you look for it, you'll find it.
Either or, to each their own.
Hi there. Long story short I've already encounter a "mild" screen burn in on my brand new S9+ I receied last Friday. I say it's mild cause it dissapears after few moments but I'm not happy with that on almost £900 phone. Basically when I use AOD in blue and unlock the device I can see a ghost of the clock burned into my home screen. I reckon it's because it does not moe as much as it used to on my S8. Im attaching a short video but its hard to see in on there. And funny enough all it takes is few minutes for it to show up. Does anyone seen something like that before? My only concern is that if it's doing it already after few days how bad will it be few months in? I've contacted O2 to get it replaced but I hope my next one will be ok.
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Hi there. Long story short I've already encounter a "mild" screen burn in on my brand new S9+ I receied last Friday. I say it's mild cause it dissapears after few moments but I'm not happy with that on almost £900 phone. Basically when I use AOD in blue and unlock the device I can see a ghost of the clock burned into my home screen. I reckon it's because it does not moe as much as it used to on my S8. Im attaching a short video but its hard to see in on there. And funny enough all it takes is few minutes for it to show up. Does anyone seen something like that before? My only concern is that if it's doing it already after few days how bad will it be few months in? I've contacted O2 to get it replaced but I hope my next one will be ok.
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In my experience, screen "burn in" doesn't go away after a few moments. So if it does, then it's not really burned in, and isn't really screen burn in, yet.
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That's why I've called it "mild" burn in. I know it doesn't go away cause I've had it on my previous Galaxy phones near the end of first year. This one does kinda ghost behind. I'm having a door swap this morning so hopefully it was just a case of bad batch. Also I managed to get a better video of what is occuring to my device if anyone is interested
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That's why I've called it "mild" burn in. I know it doesn't go away cause I've had it on my previous Galaxy phones near the end of first year. This one does kinda ghost behind. I'm having a door swap this morning so hopefully it was just a case of bad batch. Also I managed to get a better video of what is occuring to my device if anyone is interested
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Ye let's have a look
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Ye let's have a look
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youtu.be/_bUjJ7UG49o
Hopefully you can still see it with YT compression
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youtu.be/_bUjJ7UG49o
Hopefully you can still see it with YT compression
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That's much worse than you made it sound, in my opinion. I'd definately return it.
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That's much worse than you made it sound, in my opinion. I'd definately return it.
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Well, yeah. I was shocked as well cause in all my previous Galaxy phones I've never seen anything like that. Luckilly I'm only minutes away now from courier bringing the new one. Does your S9 show anything similiar? Or is it possible I've just got the dodgy batch?
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Well, yeah. I was shocked as well cause in all my previous Galaxy phones I've never seen anything like that. Luckilly I'm only minutes away now from courier bringing the new one. Does your S9 show anything similiar? Or is it possible I've just got the dodgy batch?
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I've been checking mine every day just to be sure and have had nothing like this. No burn in at all.
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I've been checking mine every day just to be sure and have had nothing like this. No burn in at all.
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Do you also use AOD? If so hopefully mine was just a bad one-off. The thing is, only few minutes are enough to make it seen. First time I wasn't even looking for it, phone was not moved for about an hour and then when I unlocked it it was pretty much black on white, that bad. A lot worse than on that video. Hope Samsung will notice the problem and make some adjustment to how AOD clock moves around cause it's moving nowhere as much as it did on my S8
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Do you also use AOD? If so hopefully mine was just a bad one-off. The thing is, only few minutes are enough to make it seen. First time I wasn't even looking for it, phone was not moved for about an hour and then when I unlocked it it was pretty much black on white, that bad. A lot worse than on that video. Hope Samsung will notice the problem and make some adjustment to how AOD clock moves around cause it's moving nowhere as much as it did on my S8
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Ye I also use AOD
Got my replacement device this morning and I can confirm that this one does the same thing for me. The question is, am I really unlucky to get a bad batch or is the problem a lot more widespread on S9+?
I Can't see anything in your video....
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Have a look at the second video I've posted. Right where the clock is you'll se the ghost of it when I'll unlock the phone
This is why I very much dislike AMOLED. Sure, it looks pretty but you have to watch what you display, how long you display it, and the brightness of your screen. The Nexus 6 burned in on me in less than a week and that was the last AMOLED device I owned.
I've been debating on trying the S9+, mostly because it's almost impossible to find a decent device without AMOLED these days. Same with glass builds. Yeah, they look nice but they're fragile and prone to scratching.
Seems like everyone jumped on the AMOLED bandwagon and now the glass build bandwagon. It's looking like the notch is next.
ive read OLED screen will have a tendency "burn in" pixels that are always on. need to keep things moving.
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ive read OLED screen will have a tendency "burn in" pixels that are always on. need to keep things moving.
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Yeah but not on a new device when picture is displayed for only few minutes. I've had some burn in on my previous Galaxy phones but that was about 10 months into ownership, not days
Rule #1 never use white **** on AOD
Rule #2 never use white widget
Rule #3 Use Dark theme
im out
Speaking of dark themes are they ever going to have an entire black scheme, system-wide?
I can understand having white themes for LCD devices but I really miss the system color schemes of the jellybean days.
When the S5 came out, for example, the dialer was so damn bright you could use it for a torch! (flashlight)
Ridiculous.
It.Needs.To.Stop.Now
Also, burn in and persistence are different. With the former being permanent and latter temporary.
Hopefully it's not permanent.
I usually disable AOD anyhow.
It's really dim but I feel safer with it gone.
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Rule #1 never use white **** on AOD
Rule #2 never use white widget
Rule #3 Use Dark theme
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AOD has been designed to keep shifting the content on screen so that burn-in doesn't happen. Not sure if anyone has noticed but I have noticed it on S7E and S8 so far.
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Speaking of dark themes are they ever going to have an entire black scheme, system-wide?
I can understand having white themes for LCD devices but I really miss the system color schemes of the jellybean days.
When the S5 came out, for example, the dialer was so damn bright you could use it for a torch! (flashlight)
Ridiculous.
It.Needs.To.Stop.Now
Also, burn in and persistence are different. With the former being permanent and latter temporary.
Hopefully it's not permanent.
I usually disable AOD anyhow.
It's really dim but I feel safer with it gone.
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Use custom Samsung themes, or Substratum ones, they usually theme more stuff system wise
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AOD has been designed to keep shifting the content on screen so that burn-in doesn't happen. Not sure if anyone has noticed but I have noticed it on S7E and S8 so far.
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I know it keeps moving, but it's better to play it safe and use other colors + without a background, still better than disabling it