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Ok, probably not. There's gotta be a perfectly valid explanation, but I just noticed this:
When I open Albums on my Hero and look at a single photograph, I can zoom in and out by pinching. Same goes for web pages. We all know this.
But the thing is: if I put my phone down on the table and try to pinch with just one hand (thumb+index finger), it doesn't work!
I only need to touch the phone with one finger on my left hand and it starts working. I have to touch the back or the frame. The chin doesn't react.
I tried it on an iPhone and it works with only one hand. It must be some conductivity issue and the Hero simply has a touch screen that works differently from iPhones.
It isn't really a problem for me: I can hold the phone in both hands while pinching. I just found it slightly interesting...
Yeah I have noticed that as well. Although if you try to calibrate using the g-sensor calibration tool it sometime fixes the issue...
Clue is in the technology? Capacitative touch screen....hit the physics books guys
A good capacitive screen doesn't require the user to complete a circuit with the phone using another hand to hold it, or by touching the bezel with a finger. The problem is either in the circuitry driving the touchscreen or possibly with the algorithms used to establish finger gestures and position.
It's even feasible that the metal bezel interferes with the electrostatic field introduced when your finger is in proximity with the screen. This would explain why the sensitivity is reduced around the edges of the screen.
Spose you need to form a complete circuit for it to work. Interesting point though, I didn't know that capacitive screens needed a second 'plate' to work (i.e. more than just the screen alone).
Makes sense though if you think about it.
Q.I indeed
jayjay said:
Ok, probably not. There's gotta be a perfectly valid explanation, but I just noticed this:
When I open Albums on my Hero and look at a single photograph, I can zoom in and out by pinching. Same goes for web pages. We all know this.
But the thing is: if I put my phone down on the table and try to pinch with just one hand (thumb+index finger), it doesn't work!
I only need to touch the phone with one finger on my left hand and it starts working. I have to touch the back or the frame. The chin doesn't react.
I tried it on an iPhone and it works with only one hand. It must be some conductivity issue and the Hero simply has a touch screen that works differently from iPhones.
It isn't really a problem for me: I can hold the phone in both hands while pinching. I just found it slightly interesting...
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The metal bezel actually acts like a ground point between the capacitive circuitry and your finger. When you are touching at the very edges of the capacitive area there simply isn't enough room to get a good grounding point so the driver/controller gets a hard time of locating what points are actually grounded. The bezel helps in this regard.
Switchbitch said:
A good capacitive screen doesn't require the user to complete a circuit with the phone using another hand to hold it, or by touching the bezel with a finger. The problem is either in the circuitry driving the touchscreen or possibly with the algorithms used to establish finger gestures and position.
It's even feasible that the metal bezel interferes with the electrostatic field introduced when your finger is in proximity with the screen. This would explain why the sensitivity is reduced around the edges of the screen.
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...perhaps not then lol
Yeah, well I hate to be the one to ask, but why does it work on the iPhone then? I realize it's a grounding / closed circuit issue, but if another similar phone can do it, then there's obviously a way around it.
And another question: Why doesn't pinching work, but normal one-fingered touching does?
Only place where I could see this becoming a problem is when you dock your device to some plastic holder in a car and want to pinch to zoom in some navigator software. Letting go of the steering wheel to use two hands on your phone isn't necessarily the safest thing in the world. One would assume though, that the interface in any navigator software wouldn't require complex gestures while operating it...
i confrim, using hero without touch the metal edge result in less responsivity and difficult on multitouch operation
hope new firmware can solve this, too many errors using it like a normal keyboard on a table!
This has been addressed before under the 'Ghost response' thread but this is a simple resolution so i do not want it to get lost.
If you are experiencing weird touch responses when your Flyer is in charge/psu, and in a case/stand, it is due to capacitive link problems. Worst I get is zoom when I want to scroll and missed key entries...
These units (and I include all capacitive touch, hand-held devices in this) are expected to be HELD in one hand and touched by the other.
If you experience bad keyboard response, it's usually because it's on power and you are only using one finger on the screen. Just try putting a finger from your other hand on any part of the metal body at the same time and it works fine...
I absolutely hate phones that don't have at least one physical button near the thumb (a-la iPhone).
This is what originally drew my to the SGSII.
So, I've been wondering, what is the thinking behind removing it and using the 4 "touch screen" buttons in it's place?
Is there some sort of market research that states American's don't like the button?
Is that why the vast majority of Android devices only have the "touch" buttons?
They don't want to look like iPhone
^^ and make Apple's case of shameless copying against Samsung even stronger!
Is that the official/real reason?
I personally like the screen to have no holes at all, like in Optimus Black.
In my opinion the hole for home button and top speaker in phones attract dirt and maybe make the screen less stronger.
But, I wonder what happens when touching home accidentally, will it show lock screen? If it is physical button you cannot push it accidentally. It must be frustrating that the screen is always awake when home is touched.
From a UX perspective:
When I reach for my phone, I usually find the home button with my thumb and press it to turn the screen on before I can even see the screen -- so when I can finally see the screen it's ready for me to unlock.
This is how I naturally first engage with the device -- not having the physical button interrupts this process and trying to find the side with the power button isn't as natural or quick for me.
Many of you are having the problem where the back, home or menu buttons are insensitive and don't respond very well.
After some tests and confirmations, it is believed to be what is called 'hard capacitive buttons'.
What does hard capacitive mean? It means you have to press with a bit more force like the galaxy nexus.
Reason for hard capacitive buttons?
To prevent accidental pressing of them, thus requiring to use a bit more pressure. I makes sense now doesn't it?
please feel free to test and confirm for your own confirmations, hope this closes all the cases regarding the capacitive buttons issue!
royalbloodvi said:
Many of you are having the problem where the back, home or menu buttons are insensitive and don't respond very well.
After some tests and confirmations, it is believed to be what is called 'hard capacitive buttons'.
What does hard capacitive mean? It means you have to press with a bit more force like the galaxy nexus.
Reason for hard capacitive buttons?
To prevent accidental pressing of them, thus requiring to use a bit more pressure. I makes sense now doesn't it?
please feel free to test and confirm for your own confirmations, hope this closes all the cases regarding the capacitive buttons issue!
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true story!
royalbloodvi said:
Many of you are having the problem where the back, home or menu buttons are insensitive and don't respond very well.
After some tests and confirmations, it is believed to be what is called 'hard capacitive buttons'.
What does hard capacitive mean? It means you have to press with a bit more force like the galaxy nexus.
Reason for hard capacitive buttons?
To prevent accidental pressing of them, thus requiring to use a bit more pressure. I makes sense now doesn't it?
please feel free to test and confirm for your own confirmations, hope this closes all the cases regarding the capacitive buttons issue!
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Well, just to let you know people will have their issues regarding this problems forever. I have gone though two Xperia S and quality of buttons differ in one another. But either way never had to push too hard to activate it. Has been pretty good but this clarify things for people with questions again.
Thanks
I tried this method and i still couldn't get it all the time. The sliding worked better but why should it be that way? As an SE fan from W910, i wanted to love it but couldn't mainly for this reason.
I think overtime time people can get it right but SE did screw it up. Just like iPhone antenna issue there is way to not let it bother you. But there are just too many design flaws with this phone for my liking.
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sliding my finger over the capacitive buttons works 100% of the time, so I prefer this method.
also this doesn't require a "hard press" I can just lightly slide my finger and it will register.
ssj_jaypee said:
sliding my finger over the capacitive buttons works 100% of the time, so I prefer this method.
also this doesn't require a "hard press" I can just lightly slide my finger and it will register.
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+1 that
Nimche said:
Well, just to let you know people will have their issues regarding this problems forever. I have gone though two Xperia S and quality of buttons differ in one another. But either way never had to push too hard to activate it. Has been pretty good but this clarify things for people with questions again.
Thanks
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Noticed the difference myself going through the second Xperia experience...
Both phones are a bit different but the pressure used is the same.
Only the size of the capacitive buttons is different :-/
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I wasn't aware there was a pressure activation?
I always swipe from the transparent bar up, works 100% no "pressure" or unresponsive problems at all. I use it just as swiping in an app
I don't consider this an -issue- its more of a learning curve .
I'm not convinced by this. I can activate them with an extremely light touch (I just tested this) but only if I do a slight swiping action.
Even a touch as light as I can use on the screen works on the buttons as long as I am in the right place.
A hard press probably just spreads your finger pad out more so you get the right area more easily
Within minutes of getting my XS I naturally started using the slide technique. Can't see an issue with the buttons myself. I get the occasional miss but nothing that causes an issue.
agree with slide on them . It works perfectly
The totally active space is above the dots ,between screen and dots .
I'm with slide since I got the phone. Works better.
I've had my XS for 2 weeks now and from day 1 I didn't have problems using the capacitive buttons. I miss occasionally but that happened also with other devices.
no the buttons has an issue,when you press softly it work sometimes sometimes dont same swiping and pressing hard so no one please try to fool your self here it just doesnt work like others do
cihanleanne said:
no the buttons has an issue,when you press softly it work sometimes sometimes dont same swiping and pressing hard so no one please try to fool your self here it just doesnt work like others do
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Ok you are right,you feel happy now
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gm007 said:
Ok you are right,you feel happy now
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its not about hapiness its about paying something and not working properly. we have to find a workaround device paying a lot money
cihanleanne said:
its not about hapiness its about paying something and not working properly. we have to find a workaround device paying a lot money
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Believe me if you use your phone for 2-3 weeks you will get used to it.
Now I don't miss any button.
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Hy, the 3 sensitives buttons don't work if you slide your finger down ( screen to led bar ), but if you slide up ( led bar to the screen ) he respond immediatly.
If you come by the screen, you did to go up when you arrived on the level of the sensitives buttons.
If you just slide down buttons stay inactive.
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My first day was annoying and frustrating, but
after 24-48 hours of use I never missed a hit again.
You get used to it pretty fast once you find the "g spot" and your brain learns to automate the task.
(hint: side dots upper medial, home dot slighty up)
Now it's piece of cake
3Shirts said:
I'm not convinced by this. I can activate them with an extremely light touch (I just tested this) but only if I do a slight swiping action.
Even a touch as light as I can use on the screen works on the buttons as long as I am in the right place.
A hard press probably just spreads your finger pad out more so you get the right area more easily
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I agree, i'm not sure about the pressure difference it might be possible, but i can also activate it with a light touch. And hard pressing results in touching with more surface, just like you said.
It also looks like the sensitive part is just a little above the dot.
The buttons do not always work, and we should not have to swipe.
Did Sony mention these buttons somewhere? manybe in the manual? lol
Maybe it is a problem just like the yellow screen is, but no one knows
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
vadimo said:
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
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I like it too...
Because it is hard to reach without changing holding position for most people. I need to hold the phone tight on both sides for my index to access the sensor but in this position I can't use my phone coz my thumb is not long enough to touch the other end of screen so everytime I have to move my hand up and down to unlock and use. The back of phone is very slippery and when my focus is somewhere else there is a chance the phone might slip and fall while unlocking if I am not careful. Pixel/6p like sensor position would've worked the best for note.
smackdownn said:
Because it is hard to reach without changing holding position for most people. I need to hold the phone tight on both sides for my index to access the sensor but in this position I can't use my phone coz my thumb is not long enough to touch the other end of screen so everytime I have to move my hand up and down to unlock and use. The back of phone is very slippery and when my focus is somewhere else there is a chance the phone might slip and fall while unlocking if I am not careful. Pixel/6p like sensor position would've worked the best for note.
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i guess we handle differently, i always pickup phone holding it both sides with one hand but then soon after unlock i ease the grip and start holding phone however i wish
It's in the perfect place for me too. The bixby button is in a bad place personally, because I still tap it accidentally holding my phone. I just got a new bike mount for my phone and the sides hit the button too if I center the phone on the holder.
vadimo said:
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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Works great and feels natural if you hold the phone right handed, but I hold my phone left handed. Wish I held my phone in my right hand and I would be golden then.
vadimo said:
i guess we handle differently, i always pickup phone holding it both sides with one hand but then soon after unlock i ease the grip and start holding phone however i wish
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It just worries me sometimes because it's so shiny and expensive . Probably wont mind after using it for a month or so. It's not a dealbreaker but I hate it when a product gets everything right except "that one thing".
I have know issues with it all
vadimo said:
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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apparently a lot of people have small hands or no finger muscle memory......or those people seems to hold their phones all the way at the bottom to the point that their thumb is at least an inch or more below the power bottom. for small hands people if their thumb is on the power button then index finger will fall right on the fingerprint reader or for people with a bit larger hands if thumb is at the bottom or right below the power button then index finger would land right on the reader. but people hold their phones differently than others and there will always be people who complain just to complain.
coming from the v20 I find that the fingerprint reader placement on the Note 8 is actually in the perfect spot for me, its easy to reach with one hand or even if holding the phone with both hands.
i dont have any issues either - for a regular/medium sized hand user. fingerprint registers at least 95% of the time with no issues with reach.
Personally I don't even use fingerprint (face recognition works most of the time) that much and placement doesn't bother me, until I use the phone while driving, which is often. The way my phone is mounted face recognition doesn't work, fingerprint sensor is out of reach and typing passwords in heavy traffic I usually find myself in, could be hair raising. My car has BT, so it unlocks while connected , but my wife's car doesn't have BT, so have to risk accident or ticket, sometimes both. But I love my N8 and sensor is on my "could be done better, but I can live with it" list. Sometimes I ask myself why I'm locking my phone and from whom, but that's another topic.
pete4k said:
Personally I don't even use fingerprint (face recognition works most of the time) that much and placement doesn't bother me, until I use the phone while driving, which is often. The way my phone is mounted face recognition doesn't work, fingerprint sensor is out of reach and typing passwords in heavy traffic I usually find myself in, could be hair raising. My car has BT, so it unlocks while connected , but my wife's car doesn't have BT, so have to risk accident or ticket, sometimes both. But I love my N8 and sensor is on my "could be done better, but I can live with it" list. Sometimes I ask myself why I'm locking my phone and from whom, but that's another topic.
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I use Iris scanner primarily but later at night when I'm in bed I prefer using the fingerprint scanner so I don't blind myself or my wife who's sitting beside me in bed.
vadimo said:
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
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The placement is fine for me but I think it would be better if it were centered. Just so that it's as easy for left-handed ppl. Same way I would like samsung to let us turn the gear s3 screen upside down for those who like to wear their watches on the right wrist.
I have smaller hands, and it works perfect for me. In fact , now after having the phone for a few days, I can work it lefty or righty. Kinda like it better now, didn't think I would say that , but man that big unblocked screen is nice.
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honestly i dont know.. the only time i use the fingerprint sensor is to set my fingerprint.
I also setup IRIS recognition. most of the time before i move my finger to the sensor it already detected my eyes and unlocked the phone.
vadimo said:
i dont get it, majority moan and down rate Samsung for its location, i find it perfect as when i hold or pickup the phone my index finger naturally extends to the sensor
Seems like the only reviewer agreeing on this
https://youtu.be/esdpijm0BCc?t=246
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I had the same opinion when i had not actually used the phone(or an s8), but since getting a note 8 it really is great placement IMO. its easy and way faster than any other unlock. TBH i only recently realised i didnt have to actually wake the phone to use the fingerprint haha i was too used to pressing power and then scanning like on my old s7edge.
The placement is great for me, i practically unlock the phone as its slideing out of my pocket like i would any other, but with the added functionality of not actually needing to wake the phone it is actually faster than it was on the old models with the sensor on the front.
speaking from a pull out of pocket senario, i think it is probably easier to drop your phone pulling it out and unlocking it from the front, this new placement you can slide it out with full grip on the phone.
what floats your boat, sinks others! I hate it. And if Samsung truly believed it works, why place the sensor back on the front (target future S9/Note 9)?
I thought it would a problem. Once I got used to it. I have no issues works great.
I don't like it.
It has nothing to do with hand size. It cracks me up when new phones come out and people start giving their physical stats as if they're looking for a date.
My phone is usually lying face up. It was much easier to reach over to the table, placing my thumb on the sensor while grasping the phone. It was almost a single move.
Then there were the times it would be on my desk at work standing on my desk with the vertical kickstand. I could simply press the button, holding my thumb on it unlocking it. Didn't have to turn the phone or even pick it up from the desk.
So basically, it was easier due to the fact that the phone could be unlocked without even grasping it.
Yep, pefect place.
The center on the LG phone never felt natural to me.