Kirin 970 vs Snapdragon 845: What’s the difference of them? - Honor 10 Questions & Answers

As the two chipsets that are discussed most frequently, both Kirin 970 and Snapdragon 845 have their own advantages. Compared with SD835, SD845 is enhanced in terms of CPU and GPU, which improves its overall performance and speed. Kirin 970, an AI-enabled core, is a chipset with an independent built-in NPU processor which is an amazing innovation for introducing artificial neural network to be more intelligent, whereas SD845 uses CPU, GPU, and DSP to simulate the function of NPU. So for SD845, when the tasks to be processed are overload, the AI performance can’t be guaranteed. As a result, the NPU of Kirin 970 is able to process AI tasks such as image recognition, voice-controlled personal assistant and intelligent photography separately from the CPU, NPU, and DSP on the chipset, delivering AI-related performance far better than the NPE adopted by SD845.
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This picture was showed in the Honor10 launch event in China, illustrating the AI performance benchmark. It is clear from the picture that Honor10 (Kirin 970) has a superior performance than Galaxy S9 (Snapdragon 845) regarding AI, which proves that the NPU is powerful as it was mentioned in articles.
So, SD845 has an advantage in CPU and GPU, whereas Kirin 970 performs better in AI-related tasks because of independent built-in NPU. Personally, the ‘marginal benefit’ of the improvement in CPU and GPU by SD845 is slightly low, while the enhancement of the AI performance in Kirin 970 is obvious and it could be applied in more areas in the future.
I want to know your opinions. Welcome to discuss with me!

I really think that the CPU on the SD 845 and the Exynos 9810 (based on cortex A75 & A55) are better than the ones on the kirin 970, which is based on the Cortex A73 and A53 (if you're wondering, the same as Kirin 960). The SD 845 outright has the best GPU (Adreno) and the Exynos and Kirin processors share the same Mali G72 GPU, but the Exynos gets 20 cores against the kirin's 12 (Exynos being more powerful). The only thing that differentiates the Kirin 970 is the presence of the NPU, a physical processing unit (Part of SoC) dedicated to Machine Learning functions, unlike SD and Exynos that use their DSPs and ISPs for Machine learning, whicheans that the kirin is the fastest among the bunch for AI and Machine Learning functions.

iamsabresh said:
I really think that the CPU on the SD 845 and the Exynos 9810 (based on cortex A75 & A55) are better than the ones on the kirin 970, which is based on the Cortex A73 and A53 (if you're wondering, the same as Kirin 960). The SD 845 outright has the best GPU (Adreno) and the Exynos and Kirin processors share the same Mali G72 GPU, but the Exynos gets 20 cores against the kirin's 12 (Exynos being more powerful). The only thing that differentiates the Kirin 970 is the presence of the NPU, a physical processing unit (Part of SoC) dedicated to Machine Learning functions, unlike SD and Exynos that use their DSPs and ISPs for Machine learning, whicheans that the kirin is the fastest among the bunch for AI and Machine Learning functions.
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Yes, I totally agree with you. Personally, the marginal benefits of improvements of the CPU and GPU by each introduction of new SD chips are decreasing except for gaming users. The NPU might be a trend for chip R&D because it really makes our smartphone 'smarter'.

Kirin is still new, completely unexplored. It has a lot of potential and opportunities.

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Whats the processor of MOTO E 2015 3G?

In official specs sheet it's written Moto E 2015 3G has snapdragon 200 quadcore @ 1.2Ghz with Adreno 302
whereas,
CPUZ and other apps show that it's snapdragon 400 quadcore @ 1.2ghz with Adreno 305.
Since Adreno 305 supports only snapdragon 400 and not 200...so which spec sheet is correct.
I believe latter is correct but can motorola make a such big blunder??
It's a Qualcomm MSM8212.
The Snapdragon marketing names are rather meaningless (since so many different SOCs have the same name). Technically, Qualcomm decided to call it a Snapdragon 200, but it is about equivalent in performance to some of the numerous different SOCs all called Snapdragon 400.
squid2 said:
It's a Qualcomm MSM8212.
The Snapdragon marketing names are rather meaningless (since so many different SOCs have the same name). Technically, Qualcomm decided to call it a Snapdragon 200, but it is about equivalent in performance to some of the numerous different SOCs all called Snapdragon 400.
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So which one is it. 200 or 400
I will be really exited if it is latter.
Ravx said:
So which one is it. 200 or 400
I will be really exited if it is latter.
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Honestly there is a whole lot of confusion coz it's model is MSM8926 which supports Adreno 305 but then its Board is MSM8610 is snapdragon 200 with Adreno 302.
So Nothing is clear for now...
As mentioned on Official Qualcomm site
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/motorola-moto-e-2nd-gen-3g
its a sd 200 processor
Also following site specs says that sd 200 processor supports USB OTG
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/processors/200 -- see specs
Did anyone read what I wrote? It's an MSM8212!
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CPU-Z does not yet recognize the CPU, so it reports the model incorrectly. It's an MSM 8212.
@squid2
so you are telling sd 200 is actually sd 400 ? Any references for this? article, posts, blogs etc !!
No. The MSM8212 is called a "Snapdragon 200" by Qualcomm, but that is completely irrelevant.
There are numerous different SoCs all called Snapdragon 200 and 400. The MSM8926 in the Moto G is called a Snapdragon 400 by Qualcomm. The MSM8212 is called a Snapdragon 200. But they are effectively the same thing, with different names. The 8212 and 8926 have about the same performance. The only difference between the 8926 and the 8212 is the GPU. The 8926 has an Adreno 305, while the 8212 has an Adreno 302. The 305 in the 8926 and 302 in the 8212 are about the same in performance though (maybe a 15% difference if at all any).
Just to reiterate:
The Moto E 3G has an MSM8212. The MSM 8212 is marketed as a "Snapdragon 200", though that doesn't mean anything. The MSM8212 is pretty much the same as the MSM8926 in the Moto G, which is marketed as a "Snapdragon 400". They both have the same processor cores, and equivalent GPUs. Forget about the Snapdragon names, they are meaningless.
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@squid2
for moto e2 3g following site specs says that sd 200 processor supports USB OTG
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...processors/200
when i try, it doesnot detects USB OTG, is it problem with android 5.0.1 or h/w is absent ? processor supports it
santoshvaza said:
@squid2
for moto e2 3g following site specs says that sd 200 processor supports USB OTG
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/sn...processors/200
when i try, it doesnot detects USB OTG, is it problem with android 5.0.1 or h/w is absent ? processor supports it
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The SoC supports USB OTG, but Motorola didn't include a 5V boost regulator (at least on the 3G model). The boost regulator is necessary to provide the 5V that USB peripherals require.
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The SoC supports USB OTG, but Motorola didn't include a 5V boost regulator (at least on the 3G model). The boost regulator is necessary to provide the 5V that USB peripherals require.
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Hi @squid2
otg with external 5v power supply.
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Micro-USB-Ho...3?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f44b938c9
will it work?
santoshvaza said:
Hi @squid2
otg with external 5v power supply.
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Micro-USB-Ho...3?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_203&hash=item3f44b938c9
will it work?
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I don't know, sorry. It might work.
According to http://www.xda-developers.com/moto-e-2nd-gen-2015-device-review/ OTG should work with that cable.

Сheck SPEED BIN (aka PVS) with your OnePlus 2

Some users say that its a smartphone is not heated, others say it is very hot.
It depends on what you got 810 processor.
you need:
1) install AK kernel
2) install Synapse
3) reboot!!!
4) check SPEED BIN in Synapse
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What is Speedbin/PVS? Can you explain more? I'm also using Synapse with AK.
I have A53 @ 0 and A57 @ 1.
Lower number means that more voltage is needed to certain hertz, and bigger number vice versa. So bigger number is cooler cpu.
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I am not sure this is as accurate as the prior Speed Bins on other processors. I have had two OP2 phones and both had those same numbers as well. It makes sense that the higher power cores are higher quality, but it seems that all devices I have seen were binned like this.
neatojones said:
I am not sure this is as accurate as the prior Speed Bins on other processors. I have had two OP2 phones and both had those same numbers as well. It makes sense that the higher power cores are higher quality, but it seems that all devices I have seen were binned like this.
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Yes, It looks like that.
I still didn't understand!
the numbers reported as a53 & a57 pvs are generic and originate from the sys/module/clock_cpu_8994/parameters folder, in files a53speedbin with bit value = 0 and file a57speedbin with bit value = 1. im looking into other locations... if someone could run terminal emulator as SU and execute the command " dmesg | grep PVS " without quotes and busybox must be installed
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I still didn't understand!
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the higher the number the higher the chips theoretical overclock potential and lower transistor voltage leak which translates into real world performance increases because the kernel has various voltage tables for the various quality levels of cpu's... thats about the gist of it... not an expert and this is by no means qualcomm official docs... just trying to shine some light and help the best i can
DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO THE PVS BIN. why you ask? why should i listen to this novice? well, PVS binning is only for custom made qualcomm CPUS, qualcomm normally uses a CPU design for 2 product cycle, eg 800, 801. the 801 was just the higger binned 800 which allowed them to be over clocked, from then they were binned again. stock arm cpus are built by samsung or TSMC, they are not binned and built with lower tolerances. custom cpus design by qualcomm have slightly higher tolerances. everyone will have a bin 0 a53 and bin 1 A57, purely because they need to be differentiated when made
So nothing special
I've read about PVS on exynos before. Previously it was correct that better values does mean it can tolerate better undervolts and overclocks but on Snapdragon, I'm not sure.
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YOKATV KB2 Amlogic S912 TV Box Comes with 32GB ROM

YOKATV KB2 comes with S912 CPU which is a high performance Quad core 64bit chipset which is known for a maximum clock speed of up to 1.5GHz. Apps will never run so smoothly in other chipset devices. People can easily enjoy many hot games and APKs with its 3GB DDR3 RAM and 16GB Flash ROM.
DDR3 2GB RAM, eMMC 32GB Flash
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IEEE 802.11ac
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Gigabit LAN
Gigabit LAN provides a data rate of 1 billion bits per second.
4K Resolution
The latest in a line of broadcast and media resolutions, 4K is due to replace 1080p as the highest-resolution signal available for in-home movies and television. With a minimum resolution of 3,840 pixels wide and 2,160 pixels high, making it the equivalent to two 1080p screens in height and two in length.
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update 10/10/16
This excellent tv box already has update is supposed to optimize the use of kodi not let me put a link but google is "firmware tv box soc S912 yoka KB2 10 10, 2016"
-To update decompresses the files to a flash drive (not the Zip that goes inside) and updated from the app UPDATE Local update mode, select the file USB and click Confirm.
-After updating the TV-Box is interesting to perform a factory reset.
The AE Wish (also known as the AME Wish) AE256 is a Yoka KB2 with a different embossments and a seemingly different and/or older firmware. The latest KB2 firmware works wonderfully in the AE256. When using apps, if any are 64 bit, those are the ones you want. Some CPU controllers have problems with the Octa-Core CPUs. While this has a decent CPU, the Codecs are in need of beefing up and the GPU needs some work. Trying to run true 4K video on the set works limitedly. Have yet to find the actual problem. However it does wonderfully with YouTube 1080 with no problems.
BIG MAJOR PROBLEM: This box does not have access to contacts. The firmware lacks the basics to load contacts or have access to them. Tried loading Google's versions (including the dialer) and got nowhere. If someone has a fix for this, please post it.

Honor 7 graphics GPU problem?

Hi! Suspecting a graphics problem.
So... I just bought this phone. I charged it and updated to 6.0, then installed my apps.
It seemd a bit sluggish when handling graphics, which made me test it with 3dmark. I ran SlingShot ES3.1 and got quite poor results in the graphics section. Physics were fine (CPU related, I guess). Screenshot below. The graphics score was 323 (in one review, which I cant link) and the reference score in app is 283. Mine is 71. I had nothing running background and the phone was recently restarted. What could be the reason?
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Edit. Power plan is also set to "performance".
As you may know, this SOC does perform well in multitasking but not so in single task and graphics. It's common to all Kirin SOC.
That said, I got 69 score and 1320 Physics, so pretty standard.
It's not a gamer GPU.
zinko_pt said:
As you may know, this SOC does perform well in multitasking but not so in single task and graphics. It's common to all Kirin SOC.
That said, I got 69 score and 1320 Physics, so pretty standard.
It's not a gamer GPU.
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Actually, good at single and multi core but not on graphics
memht said:
Actually, good at single and multi core but not on graphics
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Comparatively to Qualcomm apples-to-apples you're wrong, due to it's higher frequency. Check P9 (Kirin 955) and Honor8 reviews when compared with SD820 and SD652.
zinko_pt said:
As you may know, this SOC does perform well in multitasking but not so in single task and graphics. It's common to all Kirin SOC.
That said, I got 69 score and 1320 Physics, so pretty standard.
It's not a gamer GPU.
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Then how is it possible that the same device has got very different scores when tested in reviews?
futuremark.com/hardware/mobile/Huawei+Honor+7/review
qtba said:
Then how is it possible that the same device has got very different scores when tested in reviews?
futuremark.com/hardware/mobile/Huawei+Honor+7/review
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Different test settings. Apps installed, accounts, phone settings...
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But the results surely should not be that bad? I mean, the graphics score I got was less than fourth of what I saw in different reviews. Only difference was, that the tests in reviews were ran with android 5.x still on board and I ran the test with 6.0 just installed. The futuremark test is standard.
My phone was mint condition. No programs on background. Nothing but the standard applicatins installed. Did not make a difference. I ran the test several times just to make sure (with reboots etc.). Socres were 66-71 (graphic score around 53-55).
qtba said:
But the results surely should not be that bad? I mean, the graphics score I got was less than fourth of what I saw in different reviews. Only difference was, that the tests in reviews were ran with android 5.x still on board and I ran the test with 6.0 just installed. The futuremark test is standard.
My phone was mint condition. No programs on background. Nothing but the standard applicatins installed. Did not make a difference. I ran the test several times just to make sure (with reboots etc.). Socres were 66-71 (graphic score around 53-55).
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Could even be different app versions. Unless you provide the reviews we'll be around endless speculation.
Having different kernel (5.1 vs 6.0.1) also makes a difference.
qtba said:
Hi! Suspecting a graphics problem.
So... I just bought this phone. I charged it and updated to 6.0, then installed my apps.
It seemd a bit sluggish when handling graphics, which made me test it with 3dmark. I ran SlingShot ES3.1 and got quite poor results in the graphics section. Physics were fine (CPU related, I guess). Screenshot below. The graphics score was 323 (in one review, which I cant link) and the reference score in app is 283. Mine is 71. I had nothing running background and the phone was recently restarted. What could be the reason?
Edit. Power plan is also set to "performance".
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Kirin processors aren't powerful enough for heavy games or single core demanding tasks
PalakMi said:
Kirin processors aren't powerful enough for heavy games or single core demanding tasks
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True, it´s widely documented throughout the web. Even Mali GPU in latest Exynos are more powerful.
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True, it´s widely documented throughout the web. Even Mali GPU in latest Exynos are more powerful.
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Exactly

Question Google's first self made chip- Tensor's specs just leaked!

A well knowned tipster- Digital Chat Station declares that the new Tensor chip is all about octa-core.
However, Google usage a 2+2+4 core design. Means 2×2.8ghz power core and other 2×2.25ghz power core. Although there has a 4 cores of power consumption cores. Which is clocked at 1.8ghz.
Not only the CPU is strong but also Google will use here a Mali- G78 GPU, which is the best in class GPU that we're all see today.
Conclusion is, Google will optimised it at there best. For that it will provide the potential speed and features.
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its just a commissioned chip via Samsung
its a relabeled Exynos, it will be utter trash.
strelokcyka said:
its just a commissioned chip via Samsung
its a relabeled Exynos, it will be utter trash.
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What else would it be? Or less.
It's no Snapdragon...
Now we all know it's actually a member of Exynos 1080/2100 family with some Google's custom components... Someone said that the Tensor's code nunber was "e9855", while Samsung's flagship Exynos 2100 wss "e9840".
If that's true, the Tensor could have 2 Cortex-X1 cores, and it would be a lot more powerful (at least for the CPU part) than Snapdragon 888(+) and Kirin 9000.
strelokcyka said:
its just a commissioned chip via Samsung
its a relabeled Exynos, it will be utter trash.
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Exynos 2100 isn't really trash, though the previous few generations were
Missignal_Dev said:
Exynos 2100 isn't really trash, though the previous few generations were
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Guess it depends how well Gookill tunes it.
Recent test scores look real good at least on Samsung devices.
Exynos 2100 vs Snapdragon 888: Benchmarking the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra versions
We have some performance numbers of our own to go over and examine. For quite some time now Samsung has been releasing two versions of most of its premium...
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The best tester's for the new pixel chip will be the XDA members! Cheers
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Exynos 2100 isn't really trash, though the previous few generations were
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Excessive battery heat, drain and short life going off of track record sure sounds like trash to me.
But hey if you want to buy bad chips, you do you.
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Excessive battery heat, drain and short life going off of track record sure sounds like trash to me.
But hey if you want to buy bad chips, you do you.
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That can happen with any chipset in a Samsung.
It's a common and usually correctable issue.
However, for instance, the 20 Ultras had random heat sinks in use, the copper vapor phase ones ran cool, the graphene pad ones ran hot.
Personally though I wouldn't buy a Google phone or one without a SD card slot.
Missignal_Dev said:
Now we all know it's actually a member of Exynos 1080/2100 family with some Google's custom components... Someone said that the Tensor's code nunber was "e9855", while Samsung's flagship Exynos 2100 wss "e9840".
If that's true, the Tensor could have 2 Cortex-X1 cores, and it would be a lot more powerful (at least for the CPU part) than Snapdragon 888(+) and Kirin 9000.
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Yes, I expect google's new pixel phone.
strelokcyka said:
its just a commissioned chip via Samsung
its a relabeled Exynos, it will be utter trash.
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Is there any possibilities of google making an upgrade to that processor
ivigneshwaran said:
Is there any possibilities of google making an upgrade to that processor
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Unlikely especially given the ongoing chipset shortage which is only going to get worse.
Hold off for at least a year if you can. Firmware (R) and hardware issues dominate this year's releases... not a pretty picture.
blackhawk said:
Unlikely especially given the ongoing chipset shortage which is only going to get worse.
Hold off for at least a year if you can. Firmware (R) and hardware issues dominate this year's releases... not a pretty picture.
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But we xda'ers like the challenge to fix everything that Google breaks!
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But we xda'ers like the challenge to fix everything that Google breaks!
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Yes, well... then you are sure to be some of the happiest SOBs on the planet!
The codename is GS101/S5E9845, I saw on this page the specs and Antutu benchmarks for pixel 6.
Google Tensor - PhoneMore
Google Tensor specs, benchmark, performance, architecture, memory and all chipset specifications and technical features.
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The Pro version with 12GB RAM is much better, but Exynos 2100 is better than Tensor

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