https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/07/zte-fined-1-billion/amp/
tl;dr: 1 billion dollars from ZTE and they're able to trade with us again.
Slightly longer version:
1) ZTE told not to trade with Iran
2) ZTE caught trading with Iran. ZTE fined and told to punish certain board members
3) ZTE caught not punishing said members, the US stops trade with ZTE
4) ZTE and the US renegotiate and ZTE has to pay the US another billion.
Axon 9 when???
The real question is............ Android 9, when?
aLexzkter said:
The real question is............ Android 9, when?
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Maaaan, Android 8.1 isn't even fully stable. At least on this device.
TPMJB said:
Maaaan, Android 8.1 isn't even fully stable. At least on this device.
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I've said it many times before, my phone has never moved from my night stand when left there, it's very stable.
aLexzkter said:
I've said it many times before, my phone has never moved from my night stand when left there, it's very stable.
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Confirmed for not living in California.
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The real question is............ Android 9, when?
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Official Android 9 for the Axon 7? Never.
Official 8.1 ? Probably, but who can say when. Could be a week, could be months from now.
MFG now that I was planning to upgrade ?
I don't think they would have the axon 9 these running year .
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Axon 9 when???
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XTE Axon 9 pls when sir??!?
My guess is that we don't get an Axon 9. They likely missed their window, have a lot of delays starting back up, and frankly even back in business are probably going to transition away from the US flagship market due to the relative lack of success of the A7.
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My guess is that we don't get an Axon 9. They likely missed their window, have a lot of delays starting back up, and frankly even back in business are probably going to transition away from the US flagship market due to the relative lack of success of the A7.
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AFAIK ZTE claimed that the Axon 7 was very successful. That's why they announced the Axon 9 to begin with.
im willing to bet that the axon 9 was already 80-90% done when the ban took place. the real question is how possible is it to ramp back up and make them presuming they did not lay off all of the staff necessary to complete it now that they can use the components required. who knows for sure when and/or if Axon 9 sees the light of day in the US market. i really really hope it does, but at this point, anything is possible.
Not So Fast...
There's a move in the Senate to block the proposed agreement to allow ZTE to purchase from US companies again.
Link
Interesting how a similar ArsTechnica article puts this exclusively on Republicans when Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) are also sponsors of the amendment along with Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Tom Cotton (R-AK).
In the comments, to the Ars article, the author responds to that criticism by saying they needed a short headline so they say Republican senators instead of bipartisan group of senators.
I guess it's better to have a short headline than an accurate one.
I was waiting for the real Oreo version, but it looks like the NFound or Lineage version is the way it will have to be.
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There's a move in the Senate to block the proposed agreement to allow ZTE to purchase from US companies again.
Link
Interesting how a similar ArsTechnica article puts this exclusively on Republicans when Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) are also sponsors of the amendment along with Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Tom Cotton (R-AK).
In the comments, to the Ars article, the author responds to that criticism by saying they needed a short headline so they say Republican senators instead of bipartisan group of senators.
I guess it's better to have a short headline than an accurate one.
I was waiting for the real Oreo version, but it looks like the NFound or Lineage version is the way it will have to be.
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Or you can just use the real Oreo version
Which is where?
There are 3 versions of the A7 and none have an official and public Oreo release. All we heard about were test versions.
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I was under the impression that the NFound version, while produced by ZTE, is still considered to be beta status.
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Which is where?
There are 3 versions of the A7 and none have an official and public Oreo release. All we heard about were test versions.
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I was under the impression that the NFound version, while produced by ZTE, is still considered to be beta status.
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They ARE beta, but does that make them "fake" Oreo updates? They are real, and they are really good.
The worst complaints I heard were bad battery (In my case that hasn't been apparent) and safetynet not passing, to which there's a fix. Besides that they are probably the best Oreo ROMs out there, with fully working HDR+ (which has been ported since, but still has artifacts on ROMs).
Installing any of those means modding the phone. Not a normal update. I'm still going to wait and see what happens.
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im willing to bet that the axon 9 was already 80-90% done when the ban took place. the real question is how possible is it to ramp back up and make them presuming they did not lay off all of the staff necessary to complete it now that they can use the components required. who knows for sure when and/or if Axon 9 sees the light of day in the US market. i really really hope it does, but at this point, anything is possible.
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on a sales/marketing standpoint they'd want to wait, improve and confirm they're still accepted and trusted by consumers before returning to the market with a pricier flagship product
Getting sick of the on off thing with this. Not looking like they will be back. Seems there's people in US politics hell bent on destroying ZTE.
There goes Oreo official, and the Axon 9.
This will push Chinese companies to go with Mediatek more now in the short term and I expect more Chinese SoC development even with companies not focusing on that yet. It will hurt Qualcomm long term IMO. Mediatek may reverse the decision to not do flagship SoCs with a bigger Chinese market that will result from this as they lose confidence in supply.
Expect Samsung to try to push their Exynos to other brands and I wonder if Huawei will sell to others?
The beta sources are a broken mess. The fact that the Devs have been able to do what they have with what they received is nothing short of a miracle.
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What's up Axon 7 patients,
Isn't like we are crippled patients to this Axon 7 Oreo fiasco not knowing if we are going to get it or not. Hmm it seems like everytime we try to find an answer we walk into a palm in the face. Well, for me it has been knowing I have "someone" l know that works for ZTE and when that "someone" basically tells me, "The beta has prematurely stopped and if you don't see Official Oreo by May 31st you're SOL".
Ohhhh but it'll all work out...right?
So I decided to contact support because of course I had some doubts on what that someone told me and here is what I was told...
Might be a little hint in there or another face-palm LoL.
Cheers
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What's up Axon 7 patients,
Isn't like we are crippled patients to this Axon 7 Oreo fiasco not knowing if we are going to get it or not. Hmm it seems like everytime we try to find an answer we walk into a palm in the face. Well, for me it has been knowing I have "someone" l know that works for ZTE and when that "someone" basically tells me, "The beta has prematurely stopped and if you don't see Official Oreo by May 31st you're SOL".
Ohhhh but it'll all work out...right?
So I decided to contact support because of course I had some doubts on what that someone told me and here is what I was told...
Might be a little hint in there or another face-palm LoL.
Cheers
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To be honest, there is nothing in there thats of any interest. It even seemed more like he isn't aware at all what has been happening recently. The guess about his "between now and may 31" is also nothing but a guess.
If you wanna try get some more info, you need to contact multiple times and hope you get a different support each time which can provide you with additional info. We already had a few different chats with support posted here somewhere though. And they either don't know anything or they give you vague statements about the current situation. One also said that there won't be any updates for the zte blade v8 currently because google doesn't allow the use of GMS. Even though that chat was about the blade v8, its still applicable to our axon 7.
In the end we just gotta have to wait out the current situation about trump wanting to help zte etc and see if zte will be able to open up business again and get back to each device
An executive order has been signed by Trump banning Huawei in the US...
Also Qualcomm (QCOM) may have to apply for US export licenses to continue supplying technology to Huawei.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/15/tech/trump-executive-order-telecom-security/index.html
Why worry about Huawei when Google, facebook and the countries intelligence are already spying.
I think the problem lies with 5G, Huawei are trying the set up the infrastructure for 5G across Asia, Europe and the US amongst over areas. Which means that they'll have a back door to almost everything connected to 5G.
5G will connect to everything, even LED lights in your home which basically gives them a 3D view of every area 5G covers. Whoever has access to it will know where you are nearly all the time.
The timing makes it obvious the steps against Huawei is derivative of the US trade war with China rather than concerns over spying.
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The timing makes it obvious the steps against Huawei is derivative of the US trade war with China rather than concerns over spying.
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I wonder if it makes sense to care about that. Huawei prices are dropping and people try to sell there used phones. A good moment to buy something like that.
Am I totally wrong in thinking that Trump will probably not stop xda developers from developing updates for Huawei phones? If so I do not care about Huaweis updates or wether they include Gapps
But sadly XDA is not able to develop updates for Huawei beacause of locked bootloader etc, so what you are trying to say is......?
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But sadly XDA is not able to develop updates for Huawei beacause of locked bootloader etc, so what you are trying to say is......?
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I do not own a huawei phone (yet) and am still investigating about existing roms. Is there really no easy way to unlock bootloader for huawei devices in general? That would definitely stop me from buying huawei.
BTW: of you quote me I see your post faster
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I do not own a huawei phone (yet) and am still investigating about existing roms. Is there really no easy way to unlock bootloader for huawei devices in general? That would definitely stop me from buying huawei.
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No there is no easy way, even no way at all at the moment.
I am quite relaxed at the moment, for existing phones there will still be support, future phones could be a HUGE problem. But to be honest, A LOT switch their phones after 2 years or even before, so most people will not be touched by this ban who are currently owning this awesome phone.
I don't think Huawei spies. Even if they did, are they the only big players who do it?
US already spies on their citizens and on the world - Edward Snowden told the world and now he's not allowed back into his country. Facebook also sells your data if you remember that Cambridge Analytica drama.
Do people just forget what's happened?
Agree, i am total sure that Apple has a file with my data and i didn´t even touched an apple device in my life
that doesn´t make spying good, but i also think huawei is not doing more/less than the rest
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No there is no easy way, even no way at all at the moment.
I am quite relaxed at the moment, for existing phones there will still be support, future phones could be a HUGE problem. But to be honest, A LOT switch their phones after 2 years or even before, so most people will not be touched by this ban who are currently owning this awesome phone.
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this is not my attitude towards phones. Mine is rather: use the device until warranty is over (or a bit earlier) then root and install a custom rom and use the phone until it is really dead. Unfortunately it seems like that did not take too long on my Asus Zenfone selfie ...
I also use phones quite long, but really a lot people get a new one every year or every two years by contract. The same people which are now selling their phones because of panic^^
if you plan on using custom rom/modification huawei is not suitable for you, it is just not possible. maybe the android ban will change something, but nobody can say that, you will have to wait to see what will happen.
Since no one else has said it on this thread let me be the first, Trump is an idiot, when he's gone the whole world will be better for it. He can't even honor D-day survivors without making it all about him, the ultimate draft dodger.
https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
Reading the latest news, I can't decide whether laughing or crying....
It's concerning for us who just upgraded to the P30 Pro. I'm wondering if it's a bill pay upgrade would I be able to change my mind and go to the S10 plus now.
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It's concerning for us who just upgraded to the P30 Pro. I'm wondering if it's a bill pay upgrade would I be able to change my mind and go to the S10 plus now.
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The world isn't work like this. Nobody enforced you to buy any Huawei devices.
If you want to make a complaint, then write to Google or to Donald Trump.
Have we sell the p30 pro?
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The world isn't work like this. Nobody enforced you to buy any Huawei devices.
If you want to make a complaint, then write to Google or to Donald Trump.
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The world does work like this ,it's consumer protection. Nobody forces you to buy a contract / bill item but by law you have cooling off periods and protection when the item isn't as described. We could argue that the item is no longer as described due to losing access to official Android updates and applications
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Worst thing is, if we opt to sell, no one will buy it due to these restrictions. I shave 3 years on this contract... Talk about D's
Huawei unlocks its devices, we install play store services and carry on
So what…. Trump is working on the next big Economic Crisis for the US... Huawei will found a Solution and have his own Appstore
Greetings Raffi
I am concerned about the updates
Finally my p30 pro feels so snappy with 153 that made me excited about Android q and Updates then this comes along
And is it going to effect the other Chinese manufacturers like OnePlus oppo xiaomi or not, these are the only ones left to provide us with the latest best tech without the redeculas 1000$+ that's becoming normal even for LG
Stupid
I am worried about this too, it also makes me think that if this news changes soon something like this could happen in the future because of the issues regarding huawei and America and also the UK where i am stopping Huawei from creating the 5G networks.
I happened to request a return for my P30 Pro within the 14 days period, i got sent the bag to send it back in, and says i have 30 days from when i made that request, i am within them 30 days still, so not i am really wondering if i should just send this phone back and get an S10?
Apparently this happened to ZTE before however they were reinstated again and approved. So time will tells
I think I have made my mind up, I have always been with Samsung, i was really loving OneUI on my s8+ before i got the p30 pro, i only got it as i thought i'd give it a go assuming it can't be that different, i have posted many bugs and annoyances here since getting the p30 pro, some of which i have fixed, some i can't, the EMUI software is really bad and doesn't seem well developed at all.
I think i will get an s10+
I don't care. I believe that Huawei most likely have the capacity to do their own firmware now. They'll do their own firmware and run their own app store. They're big enough now that they'll be able to make it work. Will be nice to have an alternative third ecosystem in the phone world.
I guess it's good bye now to any future security patches. Don't think Huawei's own OS would a viable alternative either. It's new and it will definitely have a lot of issues with third party apps compatibility for example, syncing to wear os devices.
Anyways, it was stated that current phones are not effected by this so i guess the main issue for us now would be upcoming security patches and firmware update.
Reckon the best option would be to sell it off.
Don worry guys...
https://www.businessinsider.in/Chin...d-Microsoft-products/articleshow/68433984.cms
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Don worry guys...
https://www.businessinsider.in/Chin...d-Microsoft-products/articleshow/68433984.cms
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It will be like giving your phone admin access to china
Isn't android open source? The AOSP code for any future android OS will always be available. Huawei can always use androids open code into their devices for future security patches.
Google and 5 eyes are already spying on you. How come you don't care about that?
Huwaei phone will not recieve any android specifc code from Google , no more secutity updates , no more Google Play, no more APIs ,,,
Everthing is just blocked by US /Google now ,,
Huwaei journey in androd ends here as they will only have Aosp access which is plain deadland now days as most of the apis have migrated to Google play services
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https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-loses-access-to-google-android-987873/
Reading the latest news, I can't decide whether laughing or crying....
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I was all set to buy the p30pr0 but now...
What a rubbish company to imprint the AndroidOne logo on a device they refuse to update. This is my first ans last Xiaomi!
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What a rubbish company to imprint the AndroidOne logo on a device they refuse to update. This is my first ans last Xiaomi!
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I think "Android one" is a dead project, at least for Xiaomi and continues to prove it in every way
How many of Android One phones from different manufacturers are on Android 10? Motorola One received it yesterday. More recent Motorola phones haven't received it yet. New phones from Nokia will get them in "between Q1 and Q2 2020".
How many monthly security updates got skipped by Xiaomi? I don't remember even one missing.
Just because you misunderstood Android One programme, it doesn't mean it's rubbish or dead. Xiaomi and other manufacturers are following Android One standards and they are roughly at the same position, none of them being much ahead of others.
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How many of Android One phones from different manufacturers are on Android 10? Motorola One received it yesterday. More recent Motorola phones haven't received it yet. New phones from Nokia will get them in "between Q1 and Q2 2020".
How many monthly security updates got skipped by Xiaomi? I don't remember even one missing.
Just because you misunderstood Android One programme, it doesn't mean it's rubbish or dead. Xiaomi and other manufacturers are following Android One standards and they are roughly at the same position, none of them being much ahead of others.
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And how many bugs have been introduced by these monthly updates?
And how many fixes have been released to correct the countless programming flaws of their Rom? Nobody.
It seems that you are not aware of the damage caused to the unfortunate users used as unwitting "beta testers" of Android 10, on the Mi A2 lite and Mi A3 devices.
Not to mention their completely absent and / or unprepared after-sales support
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And how many bugs have been introduced by these monthly updates?
And how many fixes have been released to correct the countless programming flaws of their Rom? Nobody.
It seems that you are not aware of the damage caused to the unfortunate users used as unwitting "beta testers" of Android 10, on the Mi A2 lite and Mi A3 devices.
Not to mention their completely absent and / or unprepared after-sales support
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There are like how many bugs on Android 9. 1 or 2? No new have been introduced, most got fixed.
Android 10 update was rushed mess, I agree with that. But you can blame mainly people like you, pushing on company to release update immediately, even if it's not ready. They shouldn't have listened, that was their mistake number one.
I keep repeating, they need to improve communication and be honest. It there's a delay, announce it. If there are unforeseen problems, fix them and apologize. This is the main area where they need a huge improvement. But it can be said about many other companies, Xiaomi is not the only one. It's no excuse, but there aren't many good examples out there (especially at this price point).
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There are like how many bugs on Android 9. 1 or 2? No new have been introduced, most got fixed.
Android 10 update was rushed mess, I agree with that. But you can blame mainly people like you, pushing on company to release update immediately, even if it's not ready. They shouldn't have listened, that was their mistake number one.
I keep repeating, they need to improve communication and be honest. It there's a delay, announce it. If there are unforeseen problems, fix them and apologize. This is the main area where they need a huge improvement. But it can be said about many other companies, Xiaomi is not the only one. It's no excuse, but there aren't many good examples out there (especially at this price point).
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It may be that as you say, the problems of "Android one" are also common to other companies, but here we talk about Xiaomi and if it is true that it releases monthly security updates with a certain regularity, it is equally true that more than once introduced Bugs, without ever releasing an official Fix and without ever having corrected the main defect of the native WiFi on Android Pie in the Mi A2 lite and now it also appears in the Mi A2 with Android 10.
In addition, no one has forced Xiaomi to release a version upgrade, however, provided by the "Android one" program, without first having carried out the most basic checks with their "Beta testers".
As far as I am concerned, he would have done better first to fix all the defects widely documented in their firmware already in use, instead of combining all this useless mess.
The only fully functional Rom was the native one of Android 8.1, at least on the Mi A2 lite device
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It may be that as you say, the problems of "Android one" are also common to other companies, but here we talk about Xiaomi and if it is true that it releases monthly security updates with a certain regularity, it is equally true that more than once introduced Bugs, without ever releasing an official Fix and without ever having corrected the main defect of the native WiFi on Android Pie in the Mi A2 lite and now it also appears in the Mi A2 with Android 10.
In addition, no one has forced Xiaomi to release a version upgrade, however, provided by the "Android one" program, without first having carried out the most basic checks with their "Beta testers".
As far as I am concerned, he would have done better first to fix all the defects widely documented in their firmware already in use, instead of combining all this useless mess.
The only fully functional Rom was the native one of Android 8.1, at least on the Mi A2 lite device
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Which bugs got introduced with monthly updates and are still present on A3? I don't know about any, but I might have missed them. Except the bug with "ghost text" I have zero problems with stock Android 9.
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Which bugs got introduced with monthly updates and are still present on A3? I don't know about any, but I might have missed them. Except the bug with "ghost text" I have zero problems with stock Android 9.
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Fingerprint and proximity sensor.
The brightness of the display changes by itself, even if it is set manually.
But you've probably been lucky ...
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Fingerprint and proximity sensor.
The brightness of the display changes by itself, even if it is set manually.
But you've probably been lucky ...
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Can't confirm them. Proximity works fine, FP sensor as well. For brightness control I use OLED saver which works perfectly. Maybe I'm really lucky.. [emoji846]
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Can't confirm them. Proximity works fine, FP sensor as well. For brightness control I use OLED saver which works perfectly. Maybe I'm really lucky.. [emoji846]
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I am sure...
Android 10 come in april sure.
bojan1974 said:
Android 10 come in april sure.
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! heard in November
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! heard in November
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Which year?i hope 2025.
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it's almost inconceivable to say that it's normal for the update to be delayed and for example other companies
But that's not to say that almost all miui devices have been upgraded.
you are not rooting for so many mistakes on androidone but not on miui.
something smells ugly
Big number of different new device and low number of developers. Working on an embedded system is not easy dude. Why you think most of the new device have the A/B part (mender style)?
Fear of the brick.
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Android 10 come in april sure.
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Still not here.
Anybody think we'll get some kind of update pushed out allowing us to unlock our bootloader now that lg wont be making phones anymore?
I'm honestly surprised no one has chimed in. At all. These are some great phones. Being able to root and customize would make this phone a ton better. But I don't think lg cares at all.
I wouldn't count on it, personally. I'm frankly surprised that they've committed to 2-3 major OS upgrades (or as many years of support) for their post-2019 flagships as is, like our V60. I think that, beyond I suppose a renewed focus on their software update department, they're just going to completely wash their hands with mobile. And I still think they'll ultimately fail us on that promise of 2 to 3 years of software support. With no more active R&D and development on new devices and their software, we can probably completely rule out refreshed UIs and just expect bi-monthly security updates, maybe Android 12 on our V60s, and perhaps Android 13 on the Wings and Velvets. If that. I'm still extremely skeptical.
Edit - Edited to fix the supposed final Android versions for the V60s, Velvets, Wings, etc.
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I wouldn't count on it, personally. I'm frankly surprised that they've committed to 2-3 major OS upgrades (or as many years of support) for their post-2019 flagships as is, like our V60. I think that, beyond I suppose a renewed focus on their software update department, they're just going to completely wash their hands with mobile. And I still think they'll ultimately fail us on that promise of 2 to 3 years of software support. With no more active R&D and development on new devices and their software, we can probably completely rule out refreshed UIs and just expect bi-monthly security updates, maybe Android 11 on our V60s, and perhaps Android 12 on the Wings and Velvets. If that. I'm still extremely skeptical.
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We do hace android 11 for V60, at least TMobile model. I wouldnt bet on A12 though. They should release bootloader code and what not though so we can at least get a bootloader unlock and aim for custom roms and such. Just because there backing out of the smartphone business now dosent mean there isnt a chance for comeback later. If they just screw everyone completely right now there not only ruining chances of a future comeback but also ruining there already bad name.
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We do hace android 11 for V60, at least TMobile model. I wouldnt bet on A12 though. They should release bootloader code and what not though so we can at least get a bootloader unlock and aim for custom roms and such. Just because there backing out of the smartphone business now dosent mean there isnt a chance for comeback later. If they just screw everyone completely right now there not only ruining chances of a future comeback but also ruining there already bad name.
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Yeah, I'm on AT&T and got A11 a couple of updates back. I too would be shocked to get A12 as well, though it sounds like they're at least planning on supporting the V60 that long. They have no real interest in catering to folks who jailbreak or root, as that makes up an infinitesimally small part of their potential demographic. In other words, catering to folks like us that post to forums like this isn't going to be any kind of factor for them in the short-term or long-term future, IMO. We are not the audience that makes or breaks their mobile business, and we never will be. As for the post you quoted, I meant to say "maybe Android 12 on our V60s, and Android 13 on the Velvets and Wings." (stress on the "maybe). I'll fix that post.
I would love to see it, but I will not hold my breath. Would provide a great deal of goodwill toward the company.