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Hello there.
I'm a new Archos 101 16GB User having a mixed experience.
I feel that what I've got has huge potential, but just isn't being fulfilled - don't know if anyone else feels that.
I've come straight to tablets from netbooks and an iPhone, and have tried not to have any preconceived notions about how iPad sets the bar for these devices, although it does seem to be the case.
I'm finding, knowing very little about Android, that manufacturers have apparently rushed to force-fit a phone OS in a bigger package, which in respect of certain features makes the A101 seem like a giant (largeprint) smartphone. An example of this is the way in which the small, dainty iPhone-worthy icons for Apps can only be laid out on the 'desktop' panes with massive margins of space between them because the Android system seems to rigidly adhere to strict grid patterns for layout when really what users in this day and age want is user-definable pixel-perfect precise placement of elements. Of course, even iPhone is lacking this configurability.
Anyway, I'm currently trying to overcome my disappointment with the UI and the usability and consistency of desktops across horizontal and vertical orientations (Beautiful Widgets look 'OK' in portrait layout, and fugly in horizontal orientation), indeed the feeling that while what I wanted was the unified visual goodness of a WindowsMobile 7 type platform (or indeed the style brought by both HTC and third party developers (SPB?) to WinMo6, or indeed the carefully tuned visual loveliness of some of the HTC Android skins (Sense?) what I've actually got is a pretty clunky and grumpy Linux build that doesn't play well with its own software applications.
This is only a seventy two hour evaluation so far.
I've been looking at benchmarking, and have been led to Quadrant.
So I've got a batch of results, and I'm wondering if anyone cares to compare results and then compare notes.
I've already wiped and reinstalled the fresh FroYo firmware on the device, and am using gApps4 from these forums. I've populated with some apps and such, and had very unsatisfying attempts to switch from the stock Launcher (LauncherPro and ADW) as well as attempting to find usability in QuickDeskPro, mostly to no avail.
So in this 'stock' but loaded with apps state, Quadrant gives me a result of 780.
Then I've rooted with z4root and run SetCPU to give me 1000mhz on demand, and Quadrant gives me a result of 933.
Since then I've used SetCPU to give me 1000mhz on the 'performance' (non-scaled) setting and I get a result of 974.
With people in various forums talking about Archos Internet Tablet devices running Froyo giving them up to 1200 under Quadrant, I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong or lacking?
The 1200 scores you are talking about came from beta software and not the release software. Something was changed in the release version that brought Quadrant scores back down to those of 2.1. Don't read to much in to Quadrant scores though as they don't really affect real world use.
As for apps, the main issue is screen size and resolution. Many apps were not written with a resolution of 1024X600 in mind. So they don't scale very well. Beautiful Widgets is one of those. Once more developers become tablet aware and as Google increases compatibility with tablets this issue will go away.
The Android home screen is what you make it. There are other launcher, as you mentioned, that can be more customized however, there is no real theming that can be done on the 101 until it is rooted. This is the same for all Android devices unless of course you get a phone from HTC or one of the other OEMs that add their own theme to Android.
I think your main issue is that you know very little about Android and you are expecting it to be as evolved as iOS is even though it hasn't been around as long. New version of Android are coming that will be prettier and more tablet friendly but it will take a little time for it to be perfected.
with another beta beta firmware
the score is 1313
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with another beta beta firmware
the score is 1313
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any rumors regarding the release date?
About the same scores here. Topping out around 1000 in quadrant and a bit over 13 in Linpack.
Not sure about your problems installing launcherpro and adw, but I would try one or both again. The stock browser is horrendous in comparison (laggy, takes much longer swipes to see action, etc).
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any rumors regarding the release date?
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With the A5A last year they gave us one on 14 Dec and another on 24 Dec.
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and another on 24 Dec.
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no firmware the friday
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no firmware the friday
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I get 820 on a temp-rooted archos 101 8GB with 1GHz set by set cpu.
Appearently the H264-coding takes much too long... my htc desire takes a fraction of a second to pass this test while the archos takes several seconds (20+). I read in another thread that the hardware isn't supported yet by Android-API on the Archos, which will be changed in the future, i presume.
Another glitch: The second 3D-test is much slower than on the Desire (7fps compared to 25), with some errors on the moon (black triangles). Perhaps the OpenGLS-driver is faulty in some way. The first 3D-test, however, shows 3-5 frames more per second than the Desire (clocked at 1152 MHz).
Thanks for the input, guys. I'm sure you all know how comforting, and useful it is to be able to geek out on a forum, compare stories and get tips.
BlazingWolf, I'm certain that you're right. Android is entirely new to me other than a quick fiddle (ooh-err) with a Sammy GTab in a branch of PCWorld with a snotty little elf breathing down my neck to see if he could play games on it.
My big mistake in starting to experiment with this device was that I came at it from an iPhone background, expecting to just load up a device with apps from an app store and watch as it sings, dances and performs tricks for me.
I'm back down to earth with a bump (and not in a bad way) because of the greater openness, some would say 'fragmentation' of the Android platform which creates a scenario similar to that in the PC world where we can have any one of a number of preconfigured devices using specific but sometimes unique chipset combinations, with an array of OS's and software that can be installed on them.
I'm sure one day Android will mature to the place where we begin to see such harmony on the software front end in such a way as the hardware backend becomes irrelevant.
My first 72 hours with the device were bitty. I was expecting these instant results and instant satisfaction, and progress didn't really start to be achieved until I'd wiped the A101 and reinstalled 2.2 from scratch. That's a daunting task, especially to a casual user who might buy this off the shelf. Of course, I'm sure Archos are already looking at that and working to fix it so that the product is good to go from the off.
I'm warming very quickly to the A101. I want to like it. I still have an A504wifi which has only ever been used as a much-loved, if clunky looking and with a sucky interface, portable video player, which has had a great deal of use. So I've been excited about the A101 for a while.
And as a device it is an odd one to classify. The inevitable comparison with the iPad is not necessarily as clear cut as it seems. We have to be utilitarian, sometimes, in looking at these things. The iPad fulfils a multiple of tasks, like the Archos, and it does it within a tightly regulated and strictly defined 'controlled' environment which pushes constantly at 'parity' across all contemporary devices (the OS version for example). This gives us an elegant, reliable but inflexible interface, the trade-off for which is the relative safety of the apps in the app store. The Archos, on the other hand, has a less than elegant interface, is suffering from the issues of platform fragmentation and the remote relationship between the OS developer and the hardware manufacturer, has an App Store full of garbage that doesn't work properly but might get fixed one day, and takes a lot of 'taming' as an all-round package in order to get consistent and satisfying results. That said, the nature of the more open platform affords more opportunities, akind to jailbreaking the iDevices, in successfully customising the device to complete satisfaction, and as already said assuming the OS platform is sufficiently developed to catch up with these new 'tablet' formats, especially the larger screen varieties, we could see something really special and really refined happening.
Where the Archos succeeds, however, is that it is clearly a better platform for at least two of the intended functions of the iPad. We've got a better movie player, capable of working with more formats, with instant HDMI output, and with a proper widescreen display instead of the iPad's nearly 4:3 widescreen letterbox squinty vision. We've also got a better e-reader than the Apple ArmBreaker. OK, the bezel on the iPad is easier to grip single-handed than the Archos's much thinner, but much more elegant design, but this is a device I can sit in an armchair with and actually fall asleep while still holding the thing (I know... it happened). With an iPad, I have to keep shuffling position because the thing is so dang heavy.
The Archos seems to be only a few shades shy of perfect, as far as a hardware platform goes.
Granted, Tegra2 might be fun. And definately the low amount of RAM is an inexplicable and bizarre mistake. Plus we could have done with a 32Gb storage option. Oh, and a more easily viewable screen would be nice.
But as I tweek the thing, and accept the failings of OS and softwares, while anticipating future fixes, I'm really getting to like the little fella. I just need a really nice case to cart it around in, and a decent size memory card so I can store more, and I suspect that if someone can make a permanent root happen, that will pave the way to things like 'Startup Managers' so I can stop some of these apps auto loading when I don't need them to.
A question, though... is there any reason why the MicroSD capacity is listed as being limited to 32GB? Is that an actual capacity ceiling, or is it just the number that was most commonly available or tested at the time? Is the hardware limited to 32Gig or is it Android which is limited? Can the Archos 101 'scale' as MicroSD capacities get larger, or are we literally stuck with 32GB?
I've had no issues with build quality, possibly because I don't expect it to be as solid as an iPad, being a cheaper price and different materials. I've never really had much history of busting my devices with rough treatment or accidents, and even my 'expensive' iPhone 3GS has experienced the not-uncommon 'natural' phenomena of cracks appearing in the back casing around the dock port.
One thing I did notice is that when the A101 first arrived fresh from FedEx the box was freezing cold and so was the device, and when I unpackaged it, the top edge of the device (top of the screen when held in landscape) appeared to be quite significantly convex in shape, arced, not separated from the glass in any way, but definitely bulging. I did a lot of pressing back down on the bulge and letting the device get to room temperature before this 'bulge' became minimal. It is there ever so slightly even now, but doesn't appear to be putting any pressure or distortion on the screen.
Oh, and I think it is just the viewing angle issue, but when I hold the device in portrait to browse long pages or long lists, it almost appears as if the screen itself is convex, and I tend to tilt it back and forth to change the viewing angle on each section of the screen. The screen could definately have been executed better, and I don't think it would have raised the price too significantly.
Any other tips for an A101 n00b would be greatly welcomed.
32GB is atm the maximum you can build a sd to.
The std doesn't give more.
There is a new spec by sony that has more, but it seems not compatible.
I'm not sure if you're interested, but my Samsung Galaxy S used to only do about 900 on the Quadrant benchmark with Android 2.1, it was laggy and slow and really seemed a bit disappointing! Then came Froyo! My oh my, what a difference, unbelievable! It's snappy, touch, and it's there, spin, and it spins, breath, and it feels you! And, it also performs excellently in a Quandrant test now, usually in excess of 1700, even out performs most Nexus One phones I think.
It's absolutely blown me away that a simple software upgrade could entirely change a user experience so much! Battery life has also improved dramatically, at times giving me upto 12 hours or more with general use (regular texting plus photos etc). Which is really great for a 1500mAh battery.
So, I wouldn't give up. Froyo is a really smooth incarnation of Android, and future releases will no doubt get even better. It's exciting seeing what having a company as powerful as Google, backing an opensource project like Android can achieve.
While Microsoft and other companies are focusing purely on developing products from a financial profitability standpoint, Google seems to be able to focus more on simply developing a really excellent product.
I think the biggest 'downside' to Android is that numerous companies overload it with bloatware and don't optomise it enough for their hard ware. There is maybe just a general lack of understanding on the importance of making Android work WITH not against the hardware it's on.
Keep the faith though, have a play around with it and I'm sure eventually things will improve for you, otherwise, if you're really disappointed just go and buy a Samsung Galaxy tab or something similar! Samsung does a really good job, even though they take a looooooong time for updates!
Just ran quadrant, score was 1380. Gapps5 launcher pro plus non root.
2500 with urukdroid build
Hey Fellas,
I'm currently an iPad 2 user. I have a Galaxy S phone (which I love) and won't give it up for an iPhone. I was considering buying a Tab... but I didn't have much of a choice when the iPad 2 came out.
Today I ran into a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (it was AMAZING) and I'm thinking about returning my iPad 2.
Would anyone recommend this?
I love the Android OS. I chose the iOS because of the amount of useful school/work apps it has. [IT field].
Another question is... does anyone here own both [or tried both the iPad 2 AND the G Tab]? I have to say that the iPad 2 keyboard was much smoother than the Galaxy Tab.
I tried it quick.. I didn't have much time to play with it. I thought the keyboard wasn't as fast.
How about school/IT apps?
Thanks in advance!
My mom have the iPad 2 and I love Honeycomb but when compared to iOS its missing a whole lot, especially on apps.
Honeycomb is a new OS for tablets and I see it growing in the future and apps are slowly being ported and optimized for Honeycomb tablets. iOS has been in the market for a while and honeycomb has got some catching up to do.
Buy a tablet for what it is now instead of expecting something out of it and just getting frustrated waiting for an app. I bout a zune HD thinking it will go toe to toe with the iPod touch but was just disappointed and ended up selling it and buying the iPod touch.
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Other than the infamous lag when typing in forums, keyboard speed is fine in every application I've used so far. For some the forum thing is a big deal, and I've worked around it for now by using a remote desktop app if I really feel the need to post an essay using the tab, but obviously that isn't ideal.
As for the keyboard itself, there are plenty to choose from. Swiftkey, Thumb Keyboard and Swype are all excellent alternatives if you don't like the stock HC keyboard or the Samsung one.
The tab comes with Quick Office pre-installed and that will do the job if you want to take notes and read documents. There are about a half dozen office suites and each have their pro's and con's, if you want to learn more about them there is a good comparison thread over at the Asus Transformer forums. They all have a ways to go though before they're suitable for real work with documents however.
For IT, I imagine apps like LogMeIn, Wyse Pocket Cloud, Overlook Fing, andSMB, SharesFinder, ASProxy, Connect Bot, etc would be useful.
to give you an honest answer stick with the Ipad. Everyone on here will try to give you a reach around about why the TAB is so great. But quite frankly in its current state its not. I'm typing this on my tab right now and am getting pissed that my words are showing up well after I press the keys. There are NO USEFULL ANDROID TABLET APPS available at this time. You want proof. Go to the marketplace and see if you van even tell the difference between what is a table app and what isn't. Some tablet apps even have disclaimers stating they aren't even compatible with the GT yet. I purchased my tab because I'm believing in the Modding community will one day provide me with the goodies I crave for use on what is a very (hardware) capable device. But if you want somethingthat just works right now... get an IPAD.
I am still so much on the fence about the GT 10.1 I have a hard time even trying to formulate a reply to this. As I think I go back and forth every 5 minutes.
GT 10.1
+ Android is open, open file system, third party app stores/markets.
+ Wide screen display, higher resolution, and stereo speakers great for videos.
+ Highly customizable with widgets.
+ XDA community usually does great job with custom ROMs.
+ Google apps and Amazon CloudDrive and App Store are great.
- Android 3 is a rush job, screen response not great (not bad either), keyboard lag.
- App crashes and random reboots rare, but happen more than they should.
- Tablet app select still small, and Android app versions sometimes inferior to iOS.
- Uncertainty when Samsung might push the Android 4.0 update, they've been ver slow in the past.
- No Netflix
iPad 2 (I own an iPad 1, so this is mostly about iOS)
+ Over a year head start in tablets, lots of quality apps.
+ iOS versions of some apps are better, Tweetdeck, Tune In Radio, Taptu, etc.
+ Netflix, Hulu Plus (don't care for Hulu, but really miss Netflix on my GT 10.1)
+ iOS very responsive and smooth.
+ Square screen ratio nice for browsing, ebooks.
+ Apple makes software and hardware, so dependable updates.
- No file system access, must use iTunes (usually) to transfer files.
- Google, YouTube apps sucks on iOS.
- No third party application markets (no good Jailbreak for iPad 2, so no Cydia).
- Lower res display, 512MB of RAM.
HG! said:
Hey Fellas,
I'm currently an iPad 2 user. I have a Galaxy S phone (which I love) and won't give it up for an iPhone. I was considering buying a Tab... but I didn't have much of a choice when the iPad 2 came out.
Today I ran into a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (it was AMAZING) and I'm thinking about returning my iPad 2.
Would anyone recommend this?
I love the Android OS. I chose the iOS because of the amount of useful school/work apps it has. [IT field].
Another question is... does anyone here own both [or tried both the iPad 2 AND the G Tab]? I have to say that the iPad 2 keyboard was much smoother than the Galaxy Tab.
I tried it quick.. I didn't have much time to play with it. I thought the keyboard wasn't as fast.
How about school/IT apps?
Thanks in advance!
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Hello!
My friend owns the iPad/iPad 2 and I use them regularly when I'm at his house as he has multiple. I own a Galaxy Tab 7" and 10.1 myself. Here's my personal opinion:
The iPad had a significant build quality difference between it and the 7" Tab. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 corrects this, but it's still very difficult to beat a uniform metal structure versus a plastic one. This will boil down to whether you prefer a higher build quality, or a lighter device. The 10.1 is way lighter, the iPad 2's build quality is better.
As far as applications go... iOS tablet-centric apps blows Android out of the water. There is no denying this. You can still get any application you need on both platforms, but the higher resolution ones on the iPad are way more numerous. Here's to hoping this changes soon for Honeycomb.
As far as operating systems go... Honeycomb is ages beyond iOS in terms of a more desktop-like feel on a Tablet and less of a phone-like feel. iOS 5 does little to correct this. You will find the OS itself much more pleasant on a Honeycomb tablet.
Hardware: The processor in the iPad 2 is fast. The processor in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is fast. I don't see any speed differences between the two, except for the browser. The lead Google put in Android 2.2 shows heavily with the UI optimized for Tablets. Also, the Tegra 2 processor is the first processor I can say having Flash is a definitive advantage. I can stream HD videos from Flash sources on the web (ABC, Crunchyroll, etc) with very little to no stuttering. Props to NVidia here. I could probably do a video for you, if you were interested.
The back camera on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is far superior, though I don't think you'll be using it very often when cameras on phones are smaller and easier to use. Just my opinion.
Last but not least: I really dislike the iPad (iOS 4) and Google's default keyboard on Tablets. They are extremely hard to use while handling the device. I use Swiftkey Tablet X on my 7" and 10.1" Tab and LOVE it. If you keep your iPad 2 I really suggest you get iOS 5 on it to take advantage of the split keyboard effect. It makes typing far easier. If you do go back and get a Google-based Tab, drop their crappy keyboard and get Swiftkey X. It's in beta - I can send you the apk if you do end up going that route. Just PM me.
[Edit] Quick edit after reading Ravynmagi's post - not having Netflix is a HUGE HUGE bummer. There's no word on it coming to Honeycomb either, so don't hold your breath[/Edit]
I've had both. the iTampon 2 is riddled with screen problems. I wouldn't pay 500 bucks for it. It does have more apps... but let's be honest..... how many apps do you really need?
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I've had both. the iTampon 2 is riddled with screen problems. I wouldn't pay 500 bucks for it. It does have more apps... but let's be honest..... how many apps do you really need?
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That was the earlier batches though. I'm of the impression that has been resolved, hasn't it?
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That was the earlier batches though. I'm of the impression that has been resolved, hasn't it?
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Check the support forums at the Apple site. Sure hasn't.
I don't like Ipads. It feels like you are stuck into the app drawer forever.
Sure, there are tons of apps for tablets but everything else is below 10.1 standards.
It starts with the homescreen, over to multitasking abilities and ends in hardware.
And a 4:3 screen is a no go. Every media is made for 16:9 or 16:10, have fun watching movies on that. Ipad2 feels like an ancient TV.
And web without flash? Seriously? That also means no browser games which all are high resolution and made for PC !
Ipads are just for the fancy glamour aspect. The apps look better, for example ebook readers are nicer animated. But I am a purist, I don't want animations around my text, I want a nice and huge display. Why buy 10.1 if half of your screen is used up by showing virutal pages?
The fact that Honeycomb doesn't have many good apps and Tegra 2 seems pretty poor overall (poor video/codec playing, maybe be an OS issue though) I would get an iPad. It will just be a smoother/better experience.
When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
I was debating between these 2 devices and in the end I chose the IPAD2. I really wanted to go with Android, but right now its just not ready for "primetime" just yet. I may revisit this when ICS comes out and the Android Tablets and Apps have become more mature. Much like when Android came out, you are goign to ahve to do a lot fo work to get it to do what you want to do. I think the GTAB has great potential, its the OS that holds it back. App conversion\creation has been very slow so far, which is another drawback.
As others have said though, take account of what you want to do with the tablet and what apps you will use. Then go through both tablets and see what will suit your needs. You cant go wrong with either as both have their negative and positive attributes. Whichever is going to fit your needs the best is the one to get, everyone has different needs and wants, so everyone will have a differing opinion.
I can say though that I have not been disappointed with my decision. I still come here and lurk to see what the current state of the GTAB is though as it still sparks my interest and I want it to succeed.
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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My experience is quality has usually been lower on the Android side. Either the Android version has fewer features or is less stable or not even compatible with your device. Fragmentation is a real ***** on Android right now and quality is suffering because of it.
I really don't see an argument for Android having an advantage on the app side. That's going to be the iPad's strong point for quite some time.
But I do agree, plenty of people can find good quality apps that suit their needs and be completely happy.
honeycomb really suck balls! i have to have 3 different browsers installed to do what a normal browser does
firefox to download stuff (if u disagree, try using some other browser to download from filesonic/hotfiles)
skyfire to view flash sites
and the ever temperamental stock browser
why am i able to do the above with any browser froyo/gingerbread but not honeycomb?
typing in username/password is a nightmare, tap a key --> wait for the character to appear --> type the next key.. honestly if u want to try out android, get yourself an android phone, avoid honeycomb tablets for the time being
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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ipad has a lot of useful and quality apps compared to the less than a hundred apps that honeycomb offer.
I'm not talking about games because the tablet optimized games that honeycomb/tegra have are awesome but when it comes to apps for specific tasks they have very limited selection and not a lot of them are comparable to the ipad app counterpart.
I'm talking about finance apps like iReconcile for iPad and portfolio apps for photographers.
I have not seen one portfolio app for honeycomb and ipad have a color calibration app made by datacolor called SpyderGallery but non existent on the honeycomb.
I'm just saying that honeycomb might be good for someone that want to do basic stuff on their tablet but if you want a task specific app, the ipad has them and honeycomb desn't have them but doesn't mean they're not going to have them in the future.
I think that we're going to see a lot of apps ported to honeycomb by the end of the year.
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I've played with the ipad & currently own a GT 10.1. For me (& I think Rayvnmagi summed it all up nicely), the two greatest advantages of Honeycomb are media (ability to play Flash & higher resolution video) and the mod-ability (I just bought an Epic 4G -- $30 on Amazon! -- and I haven't stopped playing with ROMs since; something I could never do with my iphone 3GS).
Yes, the apps are decidedly not there. Yes, the keyboard lag is awful when typing in forums, etc. I'm willing to put up with that for now because I know two things: 1) the fellas here at xda are awesome & will most likely come out with a fix in the near future & 2) Google handed out GT 10.1 developer editions to everyone at its developer conference. That can only be a good thing in terms of app development for the GT 10.1.
All that being said, I actually recommended my dad (NOT a techie) get an ipad 2. He's not as tech-savvy, and he's of the mindset that things should just work. The ipad has established itself as a very stable platform that works (usually) without a hitch & I have a feeling if he'd gotten a GT 10.1, he would have had several headaches & never used it.
So, I feel like in the end, it really depends on your usage preference--do you want an established tech with a little bit lower specs or do you want the newer tech with more bugs but better specs?
My problem with the tab right now has nothing to do with apps etc etc. That stuff will eventually come, just a little time.
My problem is with lag, video playback issues, and the fact that samsung does not like to update their products to push you to buy new ones. Even if google fixes all the issues currently with the tablets, there is no guarantee samsung will give us that update.
Samsung's flagship phone (galaxy s) has yet to get the ota froyo update. If you send your phone back in for a warranty repair, yes you will receive a refurbed one with froyo or you can get it through kies if you are aware of it's existence. Yet the new $70 samsung exhibit is just a replay of the vibrant but with gingerbread!
I don't know about the other manufacturers, but I don't expect the tab to improve much more than it has now. There will most likely be a new tablet from samsung in the fall to winter season sporting icecream sandwich...if that happens, forget updates!
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SR45 said:
When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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I laugh at this comment because androids tablets apps are lacking in BOTH QUALITY and QUANTITY. Seriously dude you set ursrlf up for that.
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The problem with the iPad is that once you buy into the Apple infrastructure if you buy a decent quality of apps you're locked into them forever unless you want to start over again. Personally I love the flexibility of Android and will never go back to having an iPhone (which I used to have).
When Exchange didn't work with my corporate server with my iPhone I was out of luck. With my Droid X I had the same problem but was able to download Touchdown which works fine. To me, that flexibility makes it more worthwhile to stay with Android and lose out on the over abundance of "fart apps" in the Apple app store.
Hello,
How are you?
I decided I'd share my story and give my insights about the Nexus 10. First a little background...
I have been an OSX user for some years. From Macbook, to Macbook Pro, to iMac, I have long ditched windows for my personal computing needs.
In the gadget front, I have always been an android user. Despite having thought about getting an iPad on some occasions, or even an iPhone, I never actually pulled the trigger.
Since my first smartphone, I have always used android phones, from 2.1, to froyo, to Ginger Bread, ICS and now Jelly bean.
After having several phones I settled for the galaxy nexus. I really like Google Web Services and the way they all just work with android and sync flawlessly.
I also love the Nexus pure android and timely updates.
Because I was so happy with my phone, when the nexus 7 came out, I bought a 16gb wifi unit. It was not my first android tablet. About a year ago I bought an HTC Flyer that a few months later I gave to my wife. At the time I had a Galaxy note and didn't use the tablet that much... But anyway...
I liked the Nexus 7. It is fast, good size, good portability. The device is not ideal for web browsing, but because of it's screen size, it is great to use phone apps to do things, like ebay app, paypal app, tapatalk, and such...
Then, after the confusion of the 13 November nexus 4 and nexus 10 launches, I ended up not getting any. Last week, I was finally able to order a Nexus 10 from the playstore and it was delivered this monday morning...
Unboxed it:
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Beautiful device. Great specs. It was light, well built and with a good feel.
Loved the screen... Beautiful piece of kit.
The front facing speakers were great...
It ran fast as hell... Synced everything with my nexus 7 and galaxy nexus beautifully!
It was a dream of a device... Until I actually started using it...
There were not too many apps for the bigger and higher res screen...
But that is ok. It is not like I use apps for facebook, ebay or forums on my laptop or desktop... I just use the web browser...
So, went and used it on the nexus 10... And that was the disappointment...
The 16:10 screen which becomes 16:9 when in use thanks to the soft buttons is horrible.
Text is crisp as hell, and I see no pixels, but I also see no content...
The tablet is just to short in height to use in landscape mode. I have to scroll and scroll and scroll to use any site... The way the sites scale on chrome, even fully zoomed out, just don't allow enough content on screen...
So, portrait, no problem...
Well, terrible...
It felt like holding a wooden board... The tablet is just too long and becomes too top heavy to use comfortably in portrait... Also, because the screen is narrow, the web sites don't look natural...
After trying to like the Nexus 10, I just couldn't...
Ended up selling it yesterday. Thanks to the high demand and low supply, I still made a tiny profit with it.
And today I ordered an Ipad 4.
I just realised that at the end of the day, it is not specs, or GPU or CPU or Ram or PPI that make a device...
When a company thinks about usability and ergonomics of a device, that just shows in the way it becomes natural and comfortable to use said device.
I just didn't find the Nexus 10 comfortable or natural for what I wanted to use it for, and that was web browsing mainly.
Maybe that will change in the future when android gets really multi tasking with resizable windows. Thanks maybe the 16:10 will be a plus.
But in the current state of tablet operating systems, for me the 4:3 is more natural and better.
So, this is my experience. I must thought I'd share.
At the end of the day this is just my impressions and my opinions and my feelings towards tablets. I am not an apple fanboy or android fanboy. I am a big nerd and a fan of technology.
It is how you feel about what you use and how what you use gets what you need done that matters. In the end of the day, tablets, phones, laptops, are either tools or toys or a bit of both, but they are not what's most important.
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If you're looking for an Android device with a 4:3 aspect ratio, consider buying a Nook HD+. It's probably the lightest small tablet around, and hopefully they'll port CM to it soon.
Well having a tablet, you need buttons. Most go with onscreen buttons, otherwise those cheap brands with buttons that break in a couple clicks.
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I just don't see this topic as being of any use to the community. This adds nothing. If you don't like it fine, return it sell it. But creating a topic? I never understood this other then trying tto get attention.
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Too each their own I suppose. To me the aspect ratio seems like a silly reason to sell it. I too dislike the wasted real-estate of the nav buttons, but with Android you have the choice to get rid of them.
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I just don't see this topic as being of any use to the community. This adds nothing. If you don't like it fine, return it sell it. But creating a topic? I never understood this other then trying tto get attention.
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Are reviews by tech sites useful? Are unboxing pictures and videos useful?
That is always debatable.
As is the usefulness of my topic. It might not be useful to you, it might me to someone else.
I respect that.
This is just my user reviews as someone you bought the device and had a user experience and an impression about it.
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That is funny...
I an called an iTroll, a simple troll, and invited to get out of here with my ipad...
But yet I think I wrote nothing offensive or provocative.
Yet, in here seems android has fanboys like apple is said to have...
People you are narrow minded and don't have tolerance to different opinions from their own.
I am not an apple fanboy, nor an android fanboy.
I own an imac, a lenovo windows laptop, a nexus 7 and a galaxy nexus. If I could afford it I would also have a Lumia 920, a surface tablet, a Macbook retina, and so on.
Because I like technology and I like to try out technology to find the one that suits me best.
I don't need to buy and sell nexus 10s to make a living... If I needed, I would not have bought one, but 20...
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The iPad is terrible for viewing media with black bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
It is also terrible for listening to music with a mono back-facing speaker compared to the front facing stereo on the Nexus 10.
Web sites with a lot of wide detail can be viewed on the Nexus 10 in landscape without zooming.
Web sites with little wide detail can be viewed in portait allowing more to be seen without scrolling.
So the Nexus 10 can be used in which ever way is best for Web sites.
Apple have already realised how much better the 16:9 format is and changed the iPhone 5 and it won't be long before the iPad follows too.
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I imagine this will change in time, but currently, there isn't too much available.
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So, went and used it on the nexus 10... And that was the disappointment...
The 16:10 screen which becomes 16:9 when in use thanks to the soft buttons is horrible.
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On stock, this is a slight problem. On a custom ROM though, can just expand desktop and hide both bars for the full display.
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It felt like holding a wooden board... The tablet is just too long and becomes too top heavy to use comfortably in portrait... Also, because the screen is narrow, the web sites don't look natural...
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I do agree, not a real fan of using portrait mode on the Nexus 10.
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But yet I think I wrote nothing offensive or provocative.
Yet, in here seems android has fanboys like apple is said to have...
People you are narrow minded and don't have tolerance to different opinions from their own.
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I kind of agree, I actually found your post pretty pleasing to read; nothing deserving of a "iTroll" or any other harsh words...
He is a yellow journalist who got paid to do negative campaign. He dont like change and what he meant is that he is comfortable with the vga screen rather than using the hd because he likes it that way. Well enough its just you who like the outdated 4:3. As far as full screen scaled apps are not there. You have to wait a little for that the full hd screens just came out. Devs need time to scale theur apps. U didnt like the form factor well then stick with ur nexus 7. 10 inch is for those who are replacing their PC with a tablet.
In the end not every device is for everyone. Ppl with money just buy everything thinkingit will be productive. Next time consider ur use and then buy a device.
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He is a yellow journalist who got paid to do negative campaign. He dont like change and what he meant is that he is comfortable with the vga screen rather than using the hd because he likes it that way.
Well enough its just you who like the outdated 4:3. As far as full screen scaled apps are not there.
You have to wait a little for that the full hd screens just came out. Devs need time to scale theur apps.
10 inch is for those who are replacing their PC with a tablet.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
I don't get people complaining of landscape mode for web browsing. I have yet to own a tablet and can't wait to use the screen size in landscape mode for web browsing, it is going to be a dream.
But this is coming from a guy who never owned a tablet and browses the web on a 4" Ipod 5 in landscape mode.
I am looking forward to the aspect ratio of this tablet. How big do you need?
I just got my nexus 10. Which Google delayed shipping to me because they ran out of stock on the 8 GB phone (mind you I ordered on day 1 too) oh and they put a bumper in lieu of my actual phone and Google csr tier II is terrible. So not only did I have to wait 2 weeks to get my tablet which they still had plenty of stock they ************ forgot the phone which caused the delay in the first place. †************* great.
So now onto my experience with the tablet. It doesn't feel as smooth as the nexus 4. Video playback is amazing though. The text is not as smooth or crops as compared to the iPad 3 in my house. The book readers are terrible ... I am sorry but iBooks is actually much easier to use and in a twist of irony you can also use manually place your own ebooks into I books but you can't with Google's default reader. I also hate this keyboard which I plan to change.
Sent from my nexus 10 for which I have mixed feelings about and perhaps I'm A TAD BIT colored by my extreme hatred over this Google play fiasco.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
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lol yes VGA stands for Video Graphics Adapter... i think a fair statement would be for working 4:3 is preferred and when playing 16:10 ... keep in mind tho it wasnt so long ago ALL tvs were 4:3 and now its the opposite most tvs are 16:9 etc.. this is off topic but when i play css on my 52" tv i have to play it in 4:3 ( 640x480 ) because the orientation gets out of whack so to speak if i go to 1600x1200 yeah its time for an HDMI video card. but anyways... the reason i replied was the last statement it made me think about it since i have a tablet and a wireless keyboard and mouse to go with it... to use them i cannot be charging at the same time so i guess you are right portability wise... nice thought tho. if i could get a good news reader on it ( dont see any reason why not just havent looked into it yet) and use my powered hub so the hdd, keyboard, and mouse dont kill the battery on the N7 i cannot see why not ? as far as flash games i am kind of tired of those anyways.. and to replace CSS all i need is a good FPS. i already found a great one ( free) that showcases what the GPU is capable of. just need to get it working with the wiimote and im good.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
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Mr. I never expected that ur so dumb that u wont get the humor out of the vga thing. Plus vga never support more than 720 p.
Ur criticizing because u are among those who can bear change. Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority now dont say that u use a visual studio or other compilers for programming or maya and other graphic work. For that sort defintely a tablet is useless.
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Are you joking about the keyboard? iOS keyboard is a POS with letters that always show in upper case even when caps lock is off. They place language setting where it's easily changed by accident instead of properly separating it in settings menu. It doesn't have native swype and voice dictation is weaker.
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Are you joking about the keyboard? iOS keyboard is a POS with letters that always show in upper case even when caps lock is off. They place language setting where it's easily changed by accident instead of properly separating it in settings menu. It doesn't have native swype and voice dictation is weaker.
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Well no ****, it goes without saying that voice dictation is weaker on the iOS.
The rest really is just a matter of preference.
I find the nexus 10 keyboard to be unnecessarily cluttered.
I think the iOS keyboard works a lot better on mobile devices.
I also prefer the nexus 4 keyboard over the tablet because it's simpler and intuitive.
I don't use swype typing with two fingers is much faster for me. I've also heard that this native swype is a pos compared to the real swype.
You don't like it, you can probably change it that's the android way.
Well the book readers at still pretty helpless.
I don't get why there's so much... disapproval over the OP's decision. Buying and using a device should probably be personally enjoyable, or else you would of wasted your money right? He listed his reasons why he didn't like the Nexus 10, and purchased an iPad 4, so what? Did he spend your money? Does his decision affect you in any way? Did a car barrel roll for miles across the world killing thousands because of this decision?
Also, I think there is no "master" device or OS. Different people have different tastes and do different things, there is no 1-device/OS-fits-all, and that is a fact
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Mr. I never expected that ur so dumb that u wont get the humor out of the vga thing. Plus vga never support more than 720 p.
Ur criticizing because u are among those who can bear change. Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority now dont say that u use a visual studio or other compilers for programming or maya and other graphic work. For that sort defintely a tablet is useless.
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Firstly, your humour was pretty poor, if that.
Secondly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA "Today, the VGA analog interface is used for high definition video including 1080p and higher."
(W-W-W-W-WIKIPEDIA'D)
Thirdly, while tablets are pretty damn useful at what they do, they aren't nearly powerful enough to take over PCs (hell, they can't even do multi-windowed stuff) so if all you do is browse the web and email your buddies, then sure you can have a tablet replace a PC.
but... "Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority" is an incredibly short sighted and relatively stupid statement.
have fun storing terabytes of data on your tablet.
(p.s. is it really that difficult to structure a decent sentence with decent grammar?)
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Firstly, your humour was pretty poor, if that.
Secondly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA "Today, the VGA analog interface is used for high definition video including 1080p and higher."
(W-W-W-W-WIKIPEDIA'D)
Thirdly, while tablets are pretty damn useful at what they do, they aren't nearly powerful enough to take over PCs (hell, they can't even do multi-windowed stuff) so if all you do is browse the web and email your buddies, then sure you can have a tablet replace a PC.
but... "Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority" is an incredibly short sighted and relatively stupid statement.
have fun storing terabytes of data on your tablet.
(p.s. is it really that difficult to structure a decent sentence with decent grammar?)
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1. Proving a point using Wikipedia is... well there's a reason why Wikipedia isn't highly-regarded for 100% factual information
2. You'd be surprised how hard English might be when it's not your native language (not sure if the person's native language is or isn't language, just stating this overall)
I have been looking for a tablet for myself. Mostly, for note/lectures taking and reading. And also for remote connections to Linux machines, when I'm at the beach for example.
When I first saw it, I immediately understood that I had to have it. I bought Android version through Lenovo website. Windows just doesn't make sense to me on this device, it is not powerful enough, and it is a tablet! It is not supposed to replace a laptop. I don't find Windows apps ecosystem as good for mobile devices, as Android.
Waited about a week. Was very excited, when I finally got a package (yeah, I know, I'm a grown-up baby ). And, unfortunately, was disappointed right out of the box. The screen was defective (I even posted it here, lol): uneven color temperature to such level, that I cannot stand. But, I decided to give it a try anyways.
1. Hardware is impressive. Tablet looks fantastic. Sound is very good for the device of this size. I'm still blown away by a case itself. I liked the hinge, and how you can easily transform the tablet.
2. Halo keyboard looks futuristic. And it is OK for typing. I saw many reviews heavily criticizing it, but it is fine. Yes, you cannot type as fast, as on the mechanical keyboard, but it is still much faster than on the on-screen keyboard. Well, touchpad is bad and doesn't support multi-touch (though manual suggests it does), but I actually don't think one needs a touchpad on Android, so I don't complain here.
3. Drawing and note-taking on the Wacom surface is reliable and was a good experience for me. It is a little bit awkward in the beginning to physically write not directly on top of the area where image appears, but it is very easy to get used to. No buttons on the pen though.
4. Atom CPU is more than enough, device felt very responsive overall. However, I did notice it stuttered while charging, probably due to thermal throttling. But on battery I didn't notice any performance issues with the apps I used.
5. Now comes a weak part. Software.
I liked the taskbar, it is nice and useful, but overall, stock software feels like it is a beta version, and it is very basic (to say the least). Especially Lenovo apps (including note-taking). Well, not a real minus, since there are good apps in Google Store. But Lenovo Android customizations definitely need polishing.
Multi-window is almost useless, you cannot resize apps, but only have a smartphone-like size. And in windowed mode apps very often crash (I actually don't remember, when was the last time anything crashed on my Nexus 5, but I root-customized it...).
Some settings simply don't work: no matter what you do, it resets itself back to the default value. For some reason, I couldn't select my Google account as a backup account... Encryption is enabled by default, and you cannot disable it (it actually resulted in a factory reset, see below). Transition animations constantly turned on/off by themselves. And manual is simply inconsistent with the actual software.
I didn't find an easy way to switch Halo keyboard languages.
No customization for note-taking app: every time you switch to Wacom input mode, annoying Lenovo note-taking small window appears, and you have to close it in order to continue drawing in your app.
I had a nasty experience with an update. While updating everything seemed normal, but on the final boot I got a message "Encryption failed. Your tablet will be factory reset". And, yep, I got a completely fresh system, but it was updated. :good: And since there was no option to use my Google account for backup, I had to reinstall and reconfigure everything again. :silly:
Taking all that into account with my initial hardware problem, I just decided to return my YogaBook. I should say, it does feel sad a little bit as it is a very unique device. Honestly, I really wanted to love this device. But it definitely needs polishing, and if you're not a gadget enthusiast, you probably should wait for the next version.
disagree in all points
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disagree in all points
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Sure. Do you disagree on all points or only on negative ones?
I really wanted to love this device. Well, I'm returning mine anyways because of the screen issue. I went with my YogaBook to BestBuy and compared it to other tablets, and yep, even Samsung Tab A 10.1'' has a better screen than my tablet. This is definitely unacceptable.
I'm not 100% sure though, if I should just return it or actually do an exchange. But I'm returning, because in this case, if I change my mind, I can purchase a new one (hopefully, without screen defects) (effectively do an "exchange").
If you could be so kind, and point out to me how to fix these software glitches, I would really appreciate it.
couldnt agree more. I personally contacted lenovo in order to return the yoga book too. so disappointed. I think they should have installed Chromebook OS
BTW, I also had the problem with the upgrade and I had to reset everything...
Just curious . . . .
Don't you think the problems will be solved with updates? It is a new product after all. :silly:
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Don't you think the problems will be solved with updates? It is a new product after all. :silly:
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Maybe. That's why I say one should wait for another version.
I have bought Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen, and this tablet actually performs much better than YogaBook, despite lower specs. Moreover, it actually feels much more comfortable to write directly on the screen.
I just got mine in uae and despite its flaws i really love this device because of the battery life, sound, display and the wacom stylus. Sure the halo keyboard needs some more work but otherwise it works as intended. Just waiting for someone to make a remix os for this.
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Maybe. That's why I say one should wait for another version.
I have bought Samsung Galaxy Tab A 10.1 with S Pen, and this tablet actually performs much better than YogaBook, despite lower specs. Moreover, it actually feels much more comfortable to write directly on the screen.
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I pulled the trigger and am going to give it a try. The biggest selling point for me is being able to take notes on paper and pen and then have handwriting recognition do its magic.
Also, there is "Any Pen" support for writing directly on the screen. Though it is not perfect, it should be enough for me.
Admittedly, I am still not 100% convinced and I will let you know how it goes when I get my hands on it.
i picked one up at last friday, i wanted a light decent 10 inch android tablet for mostly browsing, evernote and messing on, the keyboard is a compromise but suits my needs, if im going to do a large amount of typing ill do it on my desktop pc, I personally really like it overall but I just hope they bring Nougat to it so we can atleast have the 2 window option, other than that i lowered the dpi because it was far too high for me, and hopefully we get root soon so i can force chrome to always display desktop sites, as mobile sites on a 10 inch tablet is stupid.
oh i also wish you could scroll easily with the trackpad but i guess thats an Android limitation.
Yeah true that really need that nougat. Has anyone tried installing remix os on their yoga book?
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Yeah true that really need that nougat. Has anyone tried installing remix os on their yoga book?
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I ůove this device so much but i must totaly agree that Lenovo should agree with jide and Remix OS should be preinstalled as the lenovo modified android realy sucks and is inmature... BTW i am intersted in same Did anyone?
I love it, you have to get used to it
Got mine few days ago.
I love it.
It takes some adjusting of workflows, but it is new, it is different, it is astonishing! Those are the reasons I bought it!.
HINGE IS MIND BLOWING!!!
Coming from range of tablets (Samsung 7" once upon a time, 10.1 Samsung, Xperia tablet z...) and many phones from different manufacturers, keeping just glass/glass as lite motiv (iPhone 4,xperia z1, S6 edge, S7 edge) I confirm it is different!
Missing lot of Samsung staf, missing lot of IOS stuff, but who cares. Playstore can provide all needed apps for my life/work stile.
It is little bit havy, looking at you keybd, but it has a keybd. For others I had to buy separate one. Halo is not a PC (Mak) keybd, but tablet is not a PC nor Mak. This just works It would be nice to change halo keybd (what you can see) but I can live with German layout I've got, just installed swift and off we go!
The only thing that is a real problem is waterproofing! I was so happy reading in a hot bath! When Experia started leaking it really hurts!
If someone knows about waterproof light case for yoga, please, pretty please let me know!
Everything else will solve it self out, root, android 7.... Just have some patience. XDA always brought a solution. For doubtful - check HTC HD forums...I forgot about my 2 phones, but development is still kicking!
Just that waterproofing IP 68 anybody?
P.S. You can swipe with mousepad, in android, just not 2 finger like manual is promissing.
I got mine today and I love it, but there are things (mostly software) that are bafflingly annoying... I got this device with the idea I could utilize Netflix's offline downloading feature only to find out it's not compatible... wtf... fail...
I got mine about three weeks ago and I'm quite happy with it. I "forgot" my work laptop in my office before Xmas and I was able to survive with my Yogabook (LTE version) so far. Android MS Office apps work sufficiently well for me. VPN and Citrix Terminal Client do their job. I only use my apps in full window mode because the task bar does the job for me. Yes, it's very basic but ok for me.
I had a lot of stability issues in the beginning. I figured out that most of the apps were installed on the 128 GB sd card by default. After moving all (no exceptions) apps to internal storage, there were no crashes anymore. I already used this solution for another Android device with lots of crashes.
It took a while to get used to the keyboard but it is possible to do 10 finger typing at medium speed after some training. I just had to switch off the word completion feature because it began to drive me crazy.
After watching some Youtube videos from an artist who uses his Yogabook as a professional drawing device, I even became motivated to try it out myself. Before I just used the pen to take some notes in Evernote. It's actually quite some fun to use it for drawing and I had to buy the add-on stuff of the ArtFlow app.
Yes, it's annoying that it is not possible to download stuff to the tablet via the Netflix app. Amazon, Spotify, and Maxdome download content works well, however, in offline mode. The HDMI output to an HD TV or a projector looks good, too. Both for video streaming and Powerpoint presentations.
In summary, I'm quite happy with it ... even as an unplanned replacement for my work laptop ...
the drawing surface work with other apps or just the lenovo drawing app? for example Adobe sketch
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the drawing surface work with other apps or just the lenovo drawing app? for example Adobe sketch
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It works great with Sketchbook, Infinite Painter, Layer Paint. However somehow most brushes do not work with Corel painter.
I personally find drawing on Yogabook to be more responsive and less alggy than compared to my Samsung 10.1 2014.
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It works great with Sketchbook, Infinite Painter, Layer Paint. However somehow most brushes do not work with Corel painter.
I personally find drawing on Yogabook to be more responsive and less alggy than compared to my Samsung 10.1 2014.
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I used so far without issues: ArtFlow and ArtRage for Drawing, Evernote and Lenovo Note Taker for handwritten notes, Ez PDF for annotating pdf documents.
For my purposes, the pen is very accurate and responsive. In ArtFlow the pen pressure dependent line thickness and color intensity work very well.
Small addition. It survived nasti drop from table height in the office, rough terrain (PC, table legs, chair legs).
Ugly dent in metal and some scratches. That is a drawback of metal build! Glass glass will shater or survive without evidence.
BUT IT WORKS no problem at all!
Stupid question
How to @ on the Halo keyboard?
Shift + @
Im looking for a new tablet for my girlfriend, just for reading, surfing and youtube. I was going to buy the Huawei M5 but now i am thinking about the Acer Chromebook Tab 10. Why? Because i do not trust Huawei regarding updates and this device should last for the next 5 years minimum. As far as i can see the Huawei m3 did not receive any updates... This sucks.
Google says that they will support ChomeOS devices for 6.5 years, this would be great!
For Chrome devices this will be at least 6.5 years from launch of the hardware platform(2) (or in some legacy cases at least 5 years launch of the device itself).
https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en
Acer:
https://www.xda-developers.com/acer-chromebook-tab-chrome-os-tablet/
What do you think?
I've owned a few tablets (some returned); nexus 7, Galaxy Tab E, Asus Zenpad, Sammy S2...
I find the 4:3 displays, as a tablet, way cumbersome. It's like holding a computer monitor in your hands. It's too big for some things and not big enough for others.
Experiences vary, of course. But the 16:9 is the perfect dimensions for me. Portrait mode for reading anything, landscape for video. And a lot easier to carry around, or find a place to safely put down, or anything.
Treble will make support better, still a bit early to know how much. And then there's chrome os vs android os... a lot to think about. Good luck.
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I've owned a few tablets (some returned); nexus 7, Galaxy Tab E, Asus Zenpad, Sammy S2...
I find the 4:3 displays, as a tablet, way cumbersome. It's like holding a computer monitor in your hands. It's too big for some things and not big enough for others.
Experiences vary, of course. But the 16:9 is the perfect dimensions for me. Portrait mode for reading anything, landscape for video. And a lot easier to carry around, or find a place to safely put down, or anything.
Treble will make support better, still a bit early to know how much. And then there's chrome os vs android os... a lot to think about. Good luck.
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Good advice, i did not think about the aspect ratios yet. It looks like i will order both and i will do a comparison. I'll let you know how i decide. Thanks!
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Im looking for a new tablet for my girlfriend, just for reading, surfing and youtube. I was going to buy the Huawei M5 but now i am thinking about the Acer Chromebook Tab 10. Why? Because i do not trust Huawei regarding updates and this device should last for the next 5 years minimum. As far as i can see the Huawei m3 did not receive any updates... This sucks.
Google says that they will support ChomeOS devices for 6.5 years, this would be great!
For Chrome devices this will be at least 6.5 years from launch of the hardware platform(2) (or in some legacy cases at least 5 years launch of the device itself).
https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6220366?hl=en
Acer:
https://www.xda-developers.com/acer-chromebook-tab-chrome-os-tablet/
What do you think?
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Acer Chromebook Tab 10 vs. Huawei M5?
Hey DopeFish1337, did you make your decision yet? Yours is such an important consideration given Google's rather obvious direction toward Chrome OS for everything other than smartphones that likely will remain Android's sole domain. That trend alone arguably makes not purchasing an Android tablet a "no brainer." You've gotten some good inputs so far. I am wrestling with the same decision, in my case pitting ACER's 2017 Hexa-core 2.10 GHz Iconia Tab 10 (A3-A50-K4K4) against the Acer Chromebook Tab 10. Personally I would not purchase a Huawei product, a prejudice borne out by very negative customer reviews.
Like you, I'm highly impressed and in my case just about sold on the Chrome OS guaranteed update for 6.5 years. My prejudice toward Huawei not withstanding, it's been well documented that all Android device manufacturers are lousy at best and worthless at worst for releasing Android updates. In nearly five years with my first tablet, a 2012, 10.5 inch ACER Iconia, the manufacturer released only one Android update, which was fine except for the fact it left some of the apps showing their age, i.e., becoming somewhat "jittery." And my 2015 ACER Liquid Z smartphone has not received a single Android update and at this point certainly never will.
Just telling you this pushes me ever closer to choosing the Chrome OS tablet. And that's before even considering the Google Play Store's addition of Android applications for Chrome OS. However, recent Chromebook user feedback reports compatibility issues with some of those "apps." I don't particularly see problems with Android apps as a deal-breaker, but may see one with the fact the ACER Chromebook Tab 10 has a non-removable battery. Then again, other than my first mobile phone, a 2005 Nokia, I've never come close to wearing out a battery. I didn't even notice battery degradation after five years with my first ACER laptop and nearly five with the aforementioned ACER Android tablet. So I can probably live with the non-removable battery feature -- though am not exactly thrilled over it.
As you're likely aware, the ACER Chromebook Tab 10 is not yet available for purchase and according to CNET will not be until May. Though some ACER resellers are taking pre-orders. That delay in getting my hands on one helps me think this through a little further. But seemingly the only thing left to weigh is price: $329 retail for the Chromebook Tab versus $299 retail for the Iconia Tab 10. However, resellers are offering the Iconia Tab 10 for as little as $259, and I fully expect steeper markdowns with the already accelerating move toward Chrome OS tablets. That said, the only reason I might choose the Iconia is because I plan to move to Linux in a big way as soon as possible. So my last bit of research will involve which if either of the two devices under consideration might be capable of running Linux in the future, i.e., when Google support ceases. Chromebook laptops can run Linux in tandem with Chrome OS. But not being a laptop, ACER's Chrome OS tablet uses an ARM (Advanced RISC Machines) processor just like the Iconia. And from what I understand it is very difficult if not impossible to run Linux on an ARM processor.
Finally, with regard to the screen aspect ratio comments, an Internet commenter wrote, "I was all set to see if Amazon et al had a listing for this [ACER Chromebook Tab 10 ] thing so I could grab one when it came out. Then I noticed the screen aspect ratio. Square screen = no sale. Too bad, otherwise looks like a great device." Personally I don't even see what the commenter's talking about, though I would prefer my old screen size of 10.1 inches.
Best wishes,
Bill
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Acer Chromebook Tab 10 vs. Huawei M5?
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Finally, with regard to the screen aspect ratio comments, an Internet commenter wrote, "I was all set to see if Amazon et al had a listing for this [ACER Chromebook Tab 10 ] thing so I could grab one when it came out. Then I noticed the screen aspect ratio. Square screen = no sale. Too bad, otherwise looks like a great device." Personally I don't even see what the commenter's talking about, though I would prefer my old screen size of 10.1 inches.
Best wishes,
Bill
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I'd have to guess then, you don't have much experience with these devices?
You have to consider a very important aspect about these things... You walk around with them. You sit on your couch with them. You pick it up and carry it to the next room. You sit out on your patio, on the patio furniture, holding it in your hands or lap...
They aren't laptops. You don't have a convenient table nearby to put them on. They are *** Handheld *** devices (for the most part).
The commenter's [sic] point is that a square device is more bulky, unwieldy, inappropriate for a handheld device. It's like walking around with a computer monitor in your hands (and using it). What works much better is a device that's 16x9. You can turn it sideways and carry it like a notepad (tablet? get it? sorry, my bad). It's just much more comfortable and ** handy **.
Turn it landscape mode, watch movies etc. Turn it portrait, facebook, browser, read book, etc.
A 'square' tablet is just... not really a tablet, in that sense.
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I'd have to guess then, you don't have much experience with these devices?
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Actually, I do. Turns out those nearly five years with the described Android tablet involved a 1280x800 screen equaling a 16:10 aspect ratio. So I was too quick to dismiss the commenter's claim of a "square" screen. While that's hardly a geometrically accurate description the ACER Chromebook Tab 10's 2048×1536 screen is indeed a 4:3 ratio -- the same aspect ratio as an old tube TV. While not truly "square" neither is it anywhere near the current traditional 16:9. Saying "somewhat square" would have been more applicable and I should have picked up on it when AsltLies more appropriately referenced 4:3 ratio. I was judging by what to my eye are deceiving horizontal images. And to be clear, my quoted commenter was commenting on a technical article, and was not a commentator/technical reviewer as apparently interpreted.
So a somewhat square screen could mean "no sale" for me as well because planned uses included streaming from an HDTV antenna. Though I see what ACER's doing here: school work. A standard sheet of paper is 8.5x11 inches, which is 4:3 aspect ratio. Being aimed at the education market in schools using iPads Tab 10 emulates the iPad in an affordable package. But beyond the education angle is a trend where some of the best selling multiuse tablets and laptops such as the Chromebook Pixel are moving away from widescreens, while TVs and gaming monitors are getting even wider.
There are two ongoing arguments on current aspect ratio trends. One sees 16:9 screens as terrible for web consumption, reading, drawing, and everything else Tab 10 is being sold for. According to this argument 16:9 is only good for watching videos and sometimes gaming. The counter argument sees a 16:9 screen in portrait mode as a piece of paper for reading and drawing while in landscape as a great video viewer. The somewhat square screens such as the iPad are derided as a one-size-fits-none solution. Having not used any iPads I have no opinion worth sharing. But the two counter arguments obviously come down to the personal preferences of each individual.
At 1920x1200 the Hexa-core Android model I've matched against the new Chromebook "tablet" would give me a second consecutive 16:10 screen ratio. Yet as tempting as a Hexa-core processor is, I'm equally tempted to take a hint from Google and retain Android only for the current and future smartphones. Unfortunately the latter leaves me indefinitely substituting a 4.1 inch screen smartphone for a 10.1 inch screen tablet. By all indications ACER has no immediate plan to sell Chromebook Tab 10 to any market beyond educators or commercial interests or to release what technical journals foresee as a consumer-friendly version. The latter could perhaps include a 16:9 or 16:10 screen.
None of which helps the many like myself who want and need a new tablet. Now. While my 16:9 ratio (what else?) smartphone can be projected to a larger screen that's hardly a relaxing evening "on your couch" or "sitting out on your patio" while "holding it in your hands." So I'm stuck. And betting DopeFish1337's GF will be getting a Huawei. Sorry I bad-mouthed the brand, guy. Darn, this has been a reply for apologies and mea culpas. As AsltLies initially said deciding between an Android or Chrome OS powered tablet provides "a lot to think about." As someone who frequently wants productivity from any device, I have potential issues with Chromebooks. But of equal concern is being technically outmoded with an OS like Android that is consistently obsolete just months after purchase.
@B2WJ Although it's obvious, it bears repeating... 'it all depends on what your needs are'.
For me, and Android tablet is perfect. I'm more or less using it for most of the things I'd do sitting at a pc; email, web, fb, etc etc (I know, boring).
Having it for travel also. Much easier to have a tablet to slip into luggage than tote around a laptop. Additionally, if I thought I'd need to use a keyboard (and mouse), it's easy to bring the logitech module for those and small keyboard / mouse.
Or, just use voice recognition / dictation for responding to emails etc. I honestly have no idea where you're coming from with "OS like Android that is consistently obsolete just months after purchase"... What? Obsolete? Just because it's not the latest and greatest version it's "obsolete"? Honestly, that's ludicrous.
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I honestly have no idea where you're coming from with "OS like Android that is consistently obsolete just months after purchase"... What? Obsolete? Just because it's not the latest and greatest version it's "obsolete"? Honestly, that's ludicrous.
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Oops. A well stated, well reasoned reply that matches exactly my own reasons for preferring Android tablets. But soured in the end by a reaction that arguably came near crossing this forum's line on decorum. I could consider conceding "obsolete" was rather over-the-top. But I won't. Because this is DopeFish1337's post and he began by relating his distrust and negative experience with Huawei Android updates. I related my own experiences with Android manufacturers' update failings. None should be better positioned to know this ongoing issue than XDA Developers. No less an authority than Computerworld said it ever so succinctly in February 2017: "Look, there's no sugar-coating it anymore: Android updates are a big, hot mess. And just when it seemed they were starting to get better, bam! They're suddenly worse than ever." And from Business Insider also last year: "That Android tablets tend to be quickly forgotten when it comes to software updates doesn't help its case."
Now arrival of the first Chrome OS tablets reveals notable public hostility. From Android Central:
This is what I've been waiting for. LOVE my Chromebook and I'm tired of android tablets being out of date within months of buying them.
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Android tablets are dead because this is such a better option. Support will be so much better for chrome tablets than Android tablets had (besides like the Nexus 9 and Pixel) and that was what really held me back from getting a new one. Definitely grabbing one of these.
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Software support through Play, 32GB of internal (vs 8GB on my current); nice display and stylus to boot. A bit more money than I wanted to spend on another tablet but those other features will carry things. I mean hell, I'm STILL limping along (more like kicking a dead corpse along) with my Samsung Galaxy Tab 4 7.0 (sad that it's not even 3 years old and can barely function now). If I could get even FOUR solid years out of the Acer it would be worth it.
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From Chrome Unboxed:
I've been using a slow ass Asus Android tablet and biding my time until chrome OS tabs come. Hopefully we see them in different sizes and form factors, as I'd love to replace my tablet with an 8 inch Chrome OS tab.
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I need a new Tablet. My 8” Samsung Galaxy Tab has become unusable. I have a Samsung Chromebook Plus, but I love having a tablet to sit on my nightstand or take in the car.
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Though not a developer I'm fairly capable handling software and electronics and joined XDA Developers as a way of possibly resurrecting my 2012 Android tablet. An OS fatality rendered the tablet not savable but my love of Android goes on with my smartphone. So full disclosure, despite my criticism of manufacturers' Android update practices I have no issues whatsoever with my 2015 Android 4.4.4 smartphone. As to the dead tablet, those few glitches I said emerged after ACER provided an update to Android 4.1 Jelly Bean were so minor as to subtract nothing from usability. So fellow Android fans, understand I would love to see Android the dominant Google OS. I like Android so much I'd even like seeing a true desktop version. But that's not where the market's heading. So like it or not, we have choices to make either now or in the future.
It’s no secret that Android tablets have died off over the last few years. We have been expecting to see the eventual move from Android to Chrome OS on tablets, and the initiative has gotten underway. -- Phandroid
No worries. Google has your back. I surmise Chrome OS is the future especially for mobile hybrid phone/tablets. -- Chrome Unboxed
While Android sales continue to trounce iOS in the U.S. and internationally and by an even wider margin as 2018 began, that is almost entirely smartphone. Anyone using an Android tablet should notice that when Internet advertisers detect an Android device, that majority unable to identify the specific device offer a generic reference to "your smartphone." While Google and the former Android Inc. were annihilating the competition on the phone side, customers wanting tablets were suckered by obscenely overpriced iOS offerings.
Many who like me once saw Chromebooks as a joke say Chrome OS is at least as good as Android devices now that Android applications are available. Plus I've learned you don't have to open any "apps" in the Chrome browser -- as long as you know the two easy steps to open any app in its own "window." So folks, let's not "shoot messengers" over this. I'm still not quite on board with it. But it's happening. And I get it.
Soon after my Android tablet failed ACER received FCC approval for the Hexa-core tablet. So I accepted the frustration of the tiny smartphone screen for months while awaiting the new device's unveiling. But when it became available instead of rushing my order in I questioned what the heck I was doing. Though no match for an Android 7.0 Nougat powered Hexa-core processor, my phone was giving me all the Android basics I needed, plus ability to talk and text. I saw the speedy tablet as a great deal at $299 or less where discounted. But in the final analysis I was about to spend around double my phone's retail price just to have a bigger screen.
So this is why the concept of Chrome OS tablets intrigues me. Instead of two largely redundant devices, you have the excellent Android OS for the phone and a tablet with a standard USB-C dock to enable external monitor, keyboard, and storage. So you have tablet with pen while mobile, and 4K monitor and keyboard while docked. Unlike anything else on the market, it can be a desktop disguised as a tablet.