Hi,
Is it possible to record from both sides simultaneously? I am using the Exynos variant. I have known some previous generation Galaxy phones having the feature. It's called dual camera mode; somewhat like the picture-in-picture kind of thing.
Thanks.
I have previously to s9+ the s6 edge+ and there was
A camera mode to do pip compositions with front and rear camera. I have look for this for s9+ and I have not found anything. (Exynos variant both)
jespo said:
I have previously to s9+ the s6 edge+ and there was
A camera mode to do pip compositions with front and rear camera. I have look for this for s9+ and I have not found anything. (Exynos variant both)
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Looked up in the web a little. Unfortunately, early (S8/S7) mods did not work. From a similar thread I read, it seems like the mode is disabled by Samsung and hopefully be brought back in the future updates; probably.
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So I'm looking at buying the galaxy S6 Edge and recently heard the galaxy s6 devices have different camera sensors, you'll get the Sony one or the Samsung own sensor, is this something to be worried about and does it state on the box which sensor is used?
I did manage to find this on Sam Mobile site
'Here’s the difference between Samsung and Sony camera sensors on the Galaxy S6 and S6 edge'
so it turns out I can't post external links yet, (dam the newbie status)
wwwDOTsammobileDOTcom/2015/05/05/heres-the-difference-between-samsung-and-sony-camera-sensors-on-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge
I hope you can crack the above link code
Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
Sadly it's true..
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
The Samsung S9 and S9+ are capable of absolutely stunning footage when used with FiLMiC Pro v6 for Android, and we have worked hard to bring the best possible shooting experience to both handsets. However there are two issues that can impact on the available features you have access to and overall performance on the S9/S9+.
Samsung’s implementation of the camera framework
Firstly, Samsung’s implementation of the Android camera framework denies third party developers access to some feature that are available in the native Samsung camera app. This includes high-speed framerates such as 60fps, 120fps and 240fps.
On Exynos equipped devices we have found a workaround that allows us to deliver high speed framerates even though not officially supported (up to 240fps at 1080p, and up to 60fps at 4k), however this is not applicable to snapdragon equipped devices (see below for more information).
The current Samsung camera framework implementation also prevents third party developers from supporting the dual lenses found on the S9+. At present only the wide lens is supported.
Finally, in order to deliver stable 4k performance we need to use Samsung's 'limited' mode that prevents access to the cinematographer kit LOG/FLAT profiles as well as custom white balance controls.
The Snapdragon CPU
And secondly, in addition to Samsung’s restrictive implementation of the camera framework, they chose to produce the S9 and S9+ with two different CPUs: an Exynos version - and a Snapdragon version.
You can find out which CPU your devices uses with the app AIDA64.
Unfortunately not all chips are created equal and the Snapdragon version has the following limitations for video:
No support for 60fps at any resolution
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 60fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
No support for 120fps.
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 120fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
Automatic White Balance UI doesn’t update.
The camera driver doesn’t provide information about the current white balance being applied, so we cannot reflect this status on the UI on snapdragon equipped devices.
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings, however this is not currently supported on Snapdragon equipped handsets.
hardecore said:
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings
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Do you plan to implement and release HDR recording for the Exynos version anytime soon?
hardecore said:
Sadly it's true... (followed by the Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide)
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According to this thread on the US Samsung Community forums, the 2 x optical zoom is not available to S9 Plus owners in Pro Mode.
In "Auto Mode" the second rear camera may or may not be selected by the software, depending - apparently - on "how much light is available".
In other words, there are probably lots of S9 Plus owners walking around thinking they've just taken a zoomed photo whereas in reality it's likely to be only a digital crop.
Amazing!
John Latter said:
Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
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I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
I had a few back and forth converstions with Samsung and Filic Pro support teams.
The following is the correspondence with Filic pro ragarding the matter:
Blue is me and black is Filmic pro support
"I'm sure you guys get annoyed about hearing about samsung users questions, but unfortunately I do not see any clear and open communication about it.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S9+
I would like to know if you guys are working on support for 4k 60fps, 1080p 120fps, and use of the telephoto lens. If so, do you have an estimated time frame that each of these will be supported?
How can I, or other samsung users, help to make the dream of full feature utilization a reality?
thank you"
"Thank you for writing in. Unfortunately, the lack of support for frame rates above 30fps on your device is due to errors in Samsung's camera framework implementation on S9 series devices containing the Snapdragon chipset. To learn more about these limitations, please refer to this resource --> Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
Furthermore, Samsung currently restrict 3rd party developers from accessing the tele lens on their devices. They told us at their developers conference last year that they plan to address this problem, but they are running late.
If Samsung correct these issues in the future, we will be quick to support for the features you mention. The best we can do is continue to raise the issue with Samsung until they recognize their users' demand for these repairs."
"I contacted you guys a few days ago regarding the S9+ and it's features and I received a very informative response that helped me a lot; so thanks for that!
I then decided to contact Samsung about the same issues and they seem to not be on the same page as you guys. After 2 support inquiries here is what I received from Samsung:
"We understand you would like Samsung to enable the [email protected], 1080p @ 60/120/240fps and utilization of telephoto lens to Filmic Pro app.
In the previous email, our agent had informed the camera specifications which the Galaxy S9+ supports. Indeed the Galaxy S9+ hardware supports [email protected] and 1080p @ 60/120/240fps using the in built Samsung camera app.
As the hardware supports the required format for videos, it is upon us the app developers to utilize the Camera hardware and develop the app code which can support this feature.
Samsung cannot change the software for the Camera if third party apps cannot utilize the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+. In this situation, we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
With this in mind, it seems that they (or at least their support staff) believe that there are no restrictions on what 3rd party developers can do with the Samsung hardware. Because they are such a large company I would understand that their support staff is not privy to the detailed information of this one specific issue, but I'm curious if the entire company is not actually aware of the issue.
I realize this is a vague question, but I'm wondering if there is anything that can be done to push Samsung to allow Filmic pro to access all of the features that it's hardware provides. I have done extensive research of message boards and forums, but to no avail.
Can you point me in the right direction? Can we start some sort of petition? What can we do to get Samsungs attention?"
"Thanks very much for the followup. While it's true that Exynos devices are capable of the high fps/resolution combinations he mentions, S9 devices containing the Snapdragon chipset cannot achieve this with stability. It's a bit unclear to me, but it almost looks like he claims that 3rd party developers might now have access to both front facing lenses (!!). I at least I think that's what he means by "we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
Anyway, I'm going to pass this along to the development team now to determine if maybe we did miss something in a system update that might grant us access to more features (at least for Snapdragon variants of S9 series devices, if we're lucky). We do understand that Samsung place restrictions on 3rd party developers in this manner, but we were told by Samsung at their developers conference last year that they plan to lift some of these restrictions. Maybe they changed their mind and pressing them with more requests for this improvement is not such a bad idea."
Conclusion:
Although I did not completely determine both company's standing on the issue, at least some light was shed on the matter. It also seems that Filmic pro will now press the issues further with Samsung to open up full feature capability at a future date.
If anyone knows of a way that we can group together in an effort to get Samsung's attention, please post about it here.
Just use an iphone. Had issues with my gimbal, drones, YOU name IT on android. No Issues on the iPhone.
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tharealmb said:
I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
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Hello
On Oreo Samsung Camera app used Telephoto lens for video as well when there is enough light before you start recording it will switch to Telephoto. adjusting the zoom from 2.0 anywhere else while you are recording switches to Wide lens. (You can see shift in perspective and hear the click).
I could easily test this by pointing the camera directly to a light bulb before starting a recording on AUTO with 2x zoom.. (this doesn't work on current latest build of Pie and stock Camera app for video.
On Oreo you can verify that Telephoto lens is used by sticking some object or your finger in front of the wide lens while recording. ]
What makes me pissed off the most on Pie is that there is no support for Pro Mode Video - you cannot set manual ISO and/or Shutter and this was the main reasons why I purchased Filmic Pro.
To my surprise on Pie / Exynos The Filmic Pro app is able to switch apertures as well. I haven't see this on any other 3rd party camera app.
Regards,
Martin
I know no wide angle on s9, but will there be other features such as enhanced stabilization for example and other things?
Probably not
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Probably not
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I do not see why you think that. I think that there is a good probability, but anyway, we will for sure get all the latest s10 features on our s9/s9+ like the s8/s8+ got the s9 features after some time during software updates.
I downloaded s10 cam and instal it on my s9+ ( because i'm just curious whats happend ) camera start i see buttons but black screen and in 3-4 sec. apk was force closed
Is there a working exynos gcam for the selfie camera?
Its the only one im interested for. I don't care about the night mode etc. Only want better results with the front camera.
I can't believe after all this time all we got for exynos are the three different apps which don't work for everyone from the other thread. I thought these devices were actively developed on.
I've been looking as well. Several times a week I took group selfies for events I organize, I haven't done this since I upgraded from S7 to S10e Exynos.
Half the devs have the snapdragon version and the other half are waiting for a price drop
As far as i know, there is no working HDR+ selfie gcam for exynos without rooting the device due to samsung limiting the selfie camera with no raw front in camera2api, so the only way is through rooting your device and place some modified libs in system to get it work.
However, there is also no working libs for galaxy s10 until now, but this is the way how Galaxy S9 & Note 9 got it to work.
Really need Gcam for S10 selfie
Really need this. Please develop asap.
Discuss about the S21 GCam Ports here whenever they're out
Is that the Google Camera? Being a Pixel owner the last few years I would love it if the camera app worked on the S21.
lywyn said:
Is that the Google Camera? Being a Pixel owner the last few years I would love it if the camera app worked on the S21.
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Yeah there are already google camera ports for the S20 and they will probably make it compatible or make a good config with the S21
historys said:
Yeah there are already google camera ports for the S20 and they will probably make it compatible or make a good config with the S21
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Hi,
Pre-ordered the 21 Ultra yesterday, will also be looking for a working Gcam mod for this new phone.
Also I try to use Google Dialer app for S21 too!!
kenfb1 said:
Hi,
Pre-ordered the 21 Ultra yesterday, will also be looking for a working Gcam mod for this new phone.
Also I try to use Google Dialer app for S21 too!!
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Congrats! it's a great phone
also GCam might not get ported to the exynos version (or it will but will take more time than the snapdragon version) i'm not sure though
Was able to try out Gcam on a Snapdragon store demo model today. Works similar to S20/Note 20 series in that front camera still doesn't work and Zoran's package fix enables the telephoto cameras to work. Pictures of all 4 rear cameras attached using Wichaya's gcam, might not look the best since I quickly used my S20 Ultra's profile without having time to tweak it.
Is there much benefit to GCam here? Samsung's app looks good from what I've seen.
On my Oneplus 6 it was useful, as the Oneplus app lacks panorama and Googles image processing is better.
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Is there much benefit to GCam here? Samsung's app looks good from what I've seen.
On my Oneplus 6 it was useful, as the Oneplus app lacks panorama and Googles image processing is better.
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It depends on whether or not you like Samsung's image processing. I personally still don't though will admit they have improved over time. The biggest issue is still under lower light, where they have aggressive sharpening and noise reduction. Fine details are often a problem indoors, like hair or fur. The main camera's sensor is pretty large so that helps, but the ultra wide and telephoto sensors aren't so it's more noticeable.
For those curious, I used Wichaya's Samsung Gcam here (3rd one): https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1501/
I've not used gcam before - you can still just switch between the apps can't you? If so, it'd be good to have both and compare
how do we get the 2 zoom lenses to work with the above gcam ?
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how do we get the 2 zoom lenses to work with the above gcam ?
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Got my Snapdragon S21 Ultra and here are my findings so far. It seems Gcam will freeze up more often in low light (you can unfreeze it by switching cameras, but it will freeze again after a few seconds). Telephoto camera and ultra wide are more likely to freeze because they have a smaller sensor thus less light. I've updated my XML for Wichaya's gcam that should work a little bit better.
*UPDATE* seems like setting stream configs helps stability and reduces/gets rid of freezing. Attached is updated XML.
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Got my Snapdragon S21 Ultra and here are my findings so far. It seems Gcam will freeze up more often in low light (you can unfreeze it by switching cameras, but it will freeze again after a few seconds). Telephoto camera and ultra wide are more likely to freeze because they have a smaller sensor thus less light. I've updated my XML for Wichaya's gcam that should work a little bit better.
*UPDATE* seems like setting stream configs helps stability and reduces/gets rid of freezing. Attached is updated XML.
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how i put xml file in gcam?you can show me pls the way pls
oraned said:
how i put xml file in gcam?you can show me pls the way pls
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How to Load & Save XML Configs in Google Camera Ports
How to import and export settings/configs on Google Camera versions that support this feature.
www.celsoazevedo.com
beserker15 said:
How to Load & Save XML Configs in Google Camera Ports
How to import and export settings/configs on Google Camera versions that support this feature.
www.celsoazevedo.com
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thank you
Are you guys using the Snapdragon version ? The gcam I loaded can't take any photos at all.... Only black screen lol on exynos 2100
Thanks for updated XML file. Still get the odd freezing, but better. Yay to having an instant shutter again lol
eijnaix said:
Are you guys using the Snapdragon version ? The gcam I loaded can't take any photos at all.... Only black screen lol on exynos 2100
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ZGCAM 7.4 https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1340a/
Alright guys, just an update on my findings. It would appear that ZGcam is actually the best Gcam build for the S21 series right now on both Exynos and Snapdragon models. For some reason I can't seem to fully disable focus tracking so autofocus in lower light can be a hit or miss. There are also differences between the models though based on what Samsung has chosen to support and what they disable.
Snapdragon S21 series: Supports all rear cameras (for the S21 Ultra, that includes both the 3x and 10x telephoto). No gcam support video on the telephotos at the moment. Front facing cameras also do not work because Samsung disabled front camera RAW for S10/S20/S21 snap series with the exception for the S10 Lite and S20 FE.
Exynos S21 series: I don't own this but based on reports, the front camera will work! However, the telephoto cameras won't, so Exynos S21 series only support the main and ultra wide cameras. Since I don't have the Exynos model, try the XML for the Exynos S20 here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/working-gcam-and-config-for-s20-exynos.4203625/
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ZGCAM's official website (yes there are ads sadly) - https://koopahtmaniac.com/getLatest.php
Alright guys, just an update on my findings. It would appear that ZGcam is actually the best Gcam build for the S21 series right now on both Exynos and Snapdragon models. For some reason I can't seem to fully disable focus tracking so autofocus in lower light can be a hit or miss. There are also differences between the models though based on what Samsung has chosen to support and what they disable.
Snapdragon S21 series: Supports all rear cameras (for the S21 Ultra, that includes both the 3x and 10x telephoto). No gcam support video on the telephotos at the moment. Front facing cameras also do not work because Samsung disabled front camera RAW for S10/S20/S21 snap series with the exception for the S10 Lite and S20 FE.
Exynos S21 series: I don't own this but based on reports, the front camera will work! However, the telephoto cameras won't, so Exynos S21 series only support the main and ultra wide cameras. Since I don't have the Exynos model, my XML for it is just the one for my Snapdragon but with the telephoto options disabled since they don't work for it.
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Please post more comparison pictures in different lighting situations too
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Please post more comparison pictures in different lighting situations too
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I just posted on reddit since it's easier to do captions there. I only posted the telephoto cameras since they have a smaller sensor and benefit the most from gcam in my opinion.
https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/lb89no
Any chance of the Exynos model getting a gcam port that works with the telephot lenses?