I been having huge RAM consumption with UC web browser, the app has a continuous foreground activity. Now, this is only app that keeps running on background and draining my battery. Is there anyway to force UCbrowser to hibernate using the shortcut hibernate icon? I mean instead of manually open the Greenify, the hibernation icon on my desktop shortcut should do the job.
I know that Greenify does not hibernate an app with constant foreground activity but UCbrowser is way too aggressive. Ironically, i don't want to uninstall UC because i like the browser functionality but only for browsing the web not its constant background activity.
I already turn off all of its in-app notifications such as Facebook, updates, news, ads, and even the "system" notification which i found inside the UC.
I hope someone can help me dealing this problem.
MrBrowseGierza said:
I been having huge RAM consumption with UC web browser, the app has a continuous foreground activity. Now, this is only app that keeps running on background and draining my battery. Is there anyway to force UCbrowser to hibernate using the shortcut hibernate icon? I mean instead of manually open the Greenify, the hibernation icon on my desktop shortcut should do the job.
I know that Greenify does not hibernate an app with constant foreground activity but UCbrowser is way too aggressive. Ironically, i don't want to uninstall UC because i like the browser functionality but only for browsing the web not its constant background activity.
I already turn off all of its in-app notifications such as Facebook, updates, news, ads, and even the "system" notification which i found inside the UC.
I hope someone can help me dealing this problem.
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There are many fine browsers with great feature/functionality that do not exhibit insidious UC behaviors. That said, recent Greenify builds permit ignoring foreground activity. Highlight the UC entry in your watch list and open the overflow (3-dot) menu for options.
@MrBrowseGierza: Personally, I absolutely concur with @Davey126's statement. I use the following two browsers, FOSS Browser and Firefox Klar, but I'm aware that their functionalities do not necessarily serve everybody's requirement. Especially Firefox Klar only carries a very bare minimum and is clearly focused on privacy, and as usual you must first familiarise yourself with their user interfaces. But for those two, I can clearly promise a very decent battery usage. Another personal option could be Fennec.
Anyhow, what I don't understand really: Gratefully, you were able to clearly identify a source, the root for heavy battery drainage but you only want to fight the symptoms and not cure the buddy. I don't know if this is the right way?
EDIT: Without haven't ever UC Browser installed and no own personal look into it, I checked Exodus Privacy just for fun, and I know for sure I wouldn't install or use it: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/reports/14541/
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There are many fine browsers with great feature/functionality that do not exhibit insidious UC behaviors. That said, recent Greenify builds permit ignoring foreground activity. Highlight the UC entry in your watch list and open the overflow (3-dot) menu for options.
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that's really manual way to greenify UC, I guess UC developers see-through this that's why they took advantage with this not hibernating apps with foreground activity.
I really hope greenify can fix this flaw.
MrBrowseGierza said:
that's really manual way to greenify UC, I guess UC developers see-through this that's why they took advantage with this not hibernating apps with foreground activity.
I really hope greenify can fix this flaw.
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Flaw?? Hardly. Intentional actions that should serve as a red flag. A few comments:
- method I referenced is fully automated
- hibernated apps can be restarted unless 'wake-up' paths are severed
- there can only be one active 'foreground' app; everything else is background
- there is no "flaw" for Greenify to address
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Flaw?? Hardly. Intentional actions that should serve as a red flag. A few comments:
- method I referenced is fully automated
- hibernated apps can be restarted unless 'wake-up' paths are severed
- there can only be one active 'foreground' app; everything else is background
- there is no "flaw" for Greenify to address
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MrBrowseGierza said:
that's really manual way to greenify UC, I guess UC developers see-through this that's why they took advantage with this not hibernating apps with foreground activity.
I really hope greenify can fix this flaw.
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In my opinion, UC Browser is intentionally coded the way that it permanently collects and transmits data of its users, and in turn obviously for the burdon of battery capacity or RAM/CPU. Just a few ideas are linked:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Browser (see paragraph "Security & Privacy)
https://citizenlab.ca/2015/05/a-chatty-squirrel-privacy-and-security-issues-with-uc-browser/
http://androroot.com/2017/08/is-really-uc-browser-is-safe-risk-and.html
A web-search provides additionaly information.
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that's really manual way to greenify UC, I guess UC developers see-through this that's why they took advantage with this not hibernating apps with foreground activity.
I really hope greenify can fix this flaw.
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What Davey126 meant is that you can control UC browser by following the steps mentioned by him.
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Disable password for device
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Sometimes, having a password setup on the device, prevents greenify from auto hibernating. It's a one in ten shot...
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Sometimes, having a password setup on the device, prevents greenify from auto hibernating. It's a one in ten shot...
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Urban legend; have never heard/seen this. Knowing what happens when Greenify attempts to initiate post screen-off hibernation on an unrooted device (via accessibility) strongly suggests the presence of a lockscreen password is not in play.
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Urban legend; have never heard/seen this. Knowing what happens when Greenify attempts to initiate post screen-off hibernation on an unrooted device (via accessibility) strongly suggests the presence of a lockscreen password is not in play.
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It deactivates auto when screen off (greenify) as soon as a password is setup on a urooted N7. fyi
I remember how much of a pain it was searching forums for a simple solution.
OP doesn't mention Android version...
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It deactivates auto when screen off (greenify) as soon as a password is setup on a urooted N7. fyi
I remember how much of a pain it was searching forums for a simple solution.
OP doesn't mention Android version...
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Interesting. There have been random public reports of Automatic Hibernation becoming disabled - either spontaneously (GUI slider doesn't stick) or after a period of time. It always seems isolated with no correlation to device, rom, etc. It feels like a permissions issue, although none are required for basic use.
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First of all thank you Oasis for creating a tool to fix things that shouldn't be broken to begin with! You are an example for a lot of developers :good:
I've read the first couple of posts on the original thread but I still have a few things that are not clear..
The advice of Oasis himself is too hibernate only those apps that misbehave. He states that hibernating apps will also remove them from the memory, which will come with a performance/cpu usage penalty when you want to use them again.
In the video tutorial however Josh greenifies almost every application that doesn't need push notifications.
So this would mean that when I use an application that doesn't have notifications but I open frequently, for example Nu.nl, a dutch newsapp, it will always have to reload the app from scratch instead of loading it from memory?
So baically the best way to use Greenify would be to NOT just greenify most apps, but to use the analyzer frequently and see what's running in the background and greenify those that don't depend on notifications?
Then newsapps that don't push news, image viewers, file managers, system tools like SD Maid and simple games that don't use internet should be ok not being greenified?
Is there no big list available of apps that misbehave or are safe to keep de-greenified?
Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Basically you got it right. Use the built-in analyzer as well as disable service and autostarts to check apps' behaviour. For my experience, sometimes is better to disable a background service than greenify an app, if the app "misbehave" for this service only (of course you'll have to check if the app still works). An example: guaranteedhttpservice and tracksyncservice in shazam...
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Basically you got it right. Use the built-in analyzer as well as disable service and autostarts to check apps' behaviour. For my experience, sometimes is better to disable a background service than greenify an app, if the app "misbehave" for this service only (of course you'll have to check if the app still works). An example: guaranteedhttpservice and tracksyncservice in shazam...
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Where can I find and disable things like tracksyncservice? I also use Shazam but I can't find both services you mentioned in Greenify nor TiB?
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Where can I find and disable things like tracksyncservice? I also use Shazam but I can't find both services you mentioned in Greenify nor TiB?
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"Disable Service" (and "Autostarts") from play store.
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"Disable Service" (and "Autostarts") from play store.
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Ah, I believed those were two functions withing Greenify I couldn't find
wtf, FB has 62! services! None of them where active though, until you open the app, then it was 3.
So you can choose between greenifying an app which will basically kill all services from an app, even background services on one hand, and choosing specifically which services too disable, like you did with Shazam.
The only issue with this second method being that you don't always really know what these services do.
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So you can choose between greenifying an app which will basically kill all services from an app, even background services on one hand, and choosing specifically which services too disable, like you did with Shazam.
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Exactly. Take google play services for example. If you greenify it, you'll lose gcm and other functions and that's not advisable at all (in fact greenify hides it). But with disable service (and autostarts/system tuner)you can choose what to disable while still mantaining gcm, location services (when needed), sync etc. I can' remember what I did in system tuner regarding gplay services (I followed some tutorial), but with disable service I disabled analyticsservice (this one will reactivate itself unless you do some tweak with system tuner), refreshenabledstateservice, playlogreportingservice, googlehttpservice, playlogbrokerservice, adrequestbrokerservice, gcmschedulerwakeupservice, advertisingidservice, adsmeasurementservice, locationwearablelistenerservice, nlplocationreceiverservice, geocodeservice, dispatchingservice and playlogservice. A reboot is needed. Haven't lost a single function since weeks (gcm, location, autosync and every google app in general are working 100% fine).
Same story with play store. Apps wake it very often, so greenify it does more harm than good. Instead, you can disable pendingnotificationsservice, contentsyncservice and dailyhygiene (and will still be fully functional).
Of course these are little tips to increase performance and battery life even more. I use greenify for 90% and more of apps that "misbehave" and disable service/autostarts/system tuner for the remaining 10% "misbehaving" apps. However, an app "fixed" with such methods will stay cached while with greenify is completely closed (resulting in more cpu/time/battery consumption when loaded again).
The only issue with this second method being that you don't always really know what these services do.
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Like I already said, for general purposes you'd better simply greenify the "misbehaving" apps. If you use it/it is woken very often, you can consider these methods.
Yes, it's a "trial and error" thing. Unless you're disabling services with self-explainatory names such as "pushservice".
Never installed Facebook official app but I heard many times that is a notorious hogger and takes many personal datas too, for which you can look for xprivacy xposed module as well.
I'll start experimenting with it today :good:
Hello @oasisfeng
Ive been using of greenify since the beggining ive rooted my device and now that MM is out which im also using since it was released on my nexus 5 device i still used greenify
Right now i have to uninstall it for one particular reason. It doesnt sync in notifications anymore.
I do know that "doze" limits notifications but opens background sync up in a short time for every minute or hours of interval. I do know greenify forces apps to go to "app standby" mode or forces apps to defer background process without exiting them on 6.0+ this means that the general "wait time" for push notifications are also deffered.
I do know there is a "wake up service" for greenify that intends to wake up device services again when hibernated from time to time but to be honest i think it is inefficient.
So haveyou tried creating an alarm that cuts the hibernation off for a small second to quickly sync in background process and push notifications from apps such as xda labs or messenger? You can do it by creating an alarm with a code of setandallowwhileidle()
Hope you read this and ill be waiting for your feedback, in the meantime ill be uninstalling greenify also its donate package and wait for further improvements
Cheers!
Instant messaging apps should generally be excluded from Greenify unless it supports GCM "high priority" push on Android 6.0+. This is the recommended solution mentioned in the app description and FAQ.
Do you mean the Greenify did sync in notifications in the past but not now? Can you give me a specific version number of Greenify that worked for you?
If I understand correctly, you want to wake-up apps periodically. It has been discussed actively in the early time. That derived a large set of functionality requirements, such as interval settings, settings per app, black-out duration, conditional wake-up, and etc. Even the worse, the longer interval, the less timely notification while the shorter interval, the more battery consumption. It is hard to balance, compared to the real right solution - GCM push. In summary, this idea introduced too much complexity.
As always, if you want to achieve that purpose, I'd suggest using Tasker together with the "wake-up" plug-in function provided by Greenify. Why do you think it is inefficient?
BTW, the solution of setAndAllowWhileIdle() is not the answer you may expect. If you are a developer and have read the documents, you should know this API is strictly limited and it also defeats the purpose of Greenify.
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Instant messaging apps should generally be excluded from Greenify unless it supports GCM "high priority" push on Android 6.0+. This is the recommended solution mentioned in the app description and FAQ.
Do you mean the Greenify did sync in notifications in the past but not now? Can you give me a specific version number of Greenify that worked for you?
If I understand correctly, you want to wake-up apps periodically. It has been discussed actively in the early time. That derived a large set of functionality requirements, such as interval settings, settings per app, black-out duration, conditional wake-up, and etc. Even the worse, the longer interval, the less timely notification while the shorter interval, the more battery consumption. It is hard to balance, compared to the real right solution - GCM push. In summary, this idea introduced too much complexity.
As always, if you want to achieve that purpose, I'd suggest using Tasker together with the "wake-up" plug-in function provided by Greenify. Why do you think it is inefficient?
BTW, the solution of setAndAllowWhileIdle() is not the answer you may expect. If you are a developer and have read the documents, you should know this API is strictly limited and it also defeats the purpose of Greenify.
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I havent tried testing whileidle() to be honest i just read it multiple times on google sources and the likes.
For your suggestion on tasker i would not recommend it. There has been an endless discussion on tasker if it was battery friendly or not and i know for a fact that it is not. The problem with tasker is its constant background monitoring which depends on your "trigger" and "event" so yep i wouldnt use tasker to automate things anytime soon.
And yes. Waking up apps periodically is the thing that i would like to propose though it might contradict M's doze mode. So overall just now im with you that its not a good solution for messaging apps.
I dont remember it was years ago way back when im using kitkat and a non-famous brand phone locally made here in our country, but as far as i remember messenger really still doesnt tickle a notification update.
So bottomline right now theres no solution for messaging apps other than leaving it as it is right? The problem is that those messaging apps have the highest background drain so i guess i had to adjust myself using messenger lol
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I havent tried testing whileidle() to be honest i just read it multiple times on google sources and the likes.
For your suggestion on tasker i would not recommend it. There has been an endless discussion on tasker if it was battery friendly or not and i know for a fact that it is not. The problem with tasker is its constant background monitoring which depends on your "trigger" and "event" so yep i wouldnt use tasker to automate things anytime soon.
And yes. Waking up apps periodically is the thing that i would like to propose though it might contradict M's doze mode. So overall just now im with you that its not a good solution for messaging apps.
I dont remember it was years ago way back when im using kitkat and a non-famous brand phone locally made here in our country, but as far as i remember messenger really still doesnt tickle a notification update.
So bottomline right now theres no solution for messaging apps other than leaving it as it is right? The problem is that those messaging apps have the highest background drain so i guess i had to adjust myself using messenger lol
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IM app without GCM push is such a pain, since it usually tries its best to improve the real-time notifications, at the cost of power consumption. In my experience, even a 5 minutes interval wake-up is far from enough for a IM app, but already increases the power consumption a bit.
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IM app without GCM push is such a pain, since it usually tries its best to improve the real-time notifications, at the cost of power consumption. In my experience, even a 5 minutes interval wake-up is far from enough for a IM app, but already increases the power consumption a bit.
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Agreed and again facebook and messenger is to blame for the poorly written codes and the messy services they all have.
Right now my issue is solved and im glad for such a quick and concise response. Ill be waiting for the future beta releases and in the meantime if you need my help for an upcoming feature on M count me in, and ill also throw down "possible suggestions" for you and maybe give you some codes for it
Cheers bud
My android device is rooted with xposed framework installed and greenify xposed module enabled. What Greenify settings i can enable to make it perform at its best?
Peter770 said:
My android device is rooted with xposed framework installed and greenify xposed module enabled. What Greenify settings i can enable to make it perform at its best?
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There is no right answer as every device and work flow is unique. That said, Aggressive Doze, Doze on the Go and Wakeup Timer Coalescing are popular choices with limited side effects. If you miss notifications or find your device lagging for a few seconds after wake disable Aggressive Doze. Resist the temptation to add every app/service to Greenify's action list; only target apps that demonstrate bad behaviors. If running Android 6+ doze will take care of most background activity w/o help from Greenify. It's a tool to address specific problems.
What is the difference between the three hibernation modes: default, normal hibernation, deep hibernation (by island)?
Peter770 said:
What is the difference between the three hibernation modes: default, normal hibernation, deep hibernation (by island)?
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Default is whatever you set as the default in Greenify settings. Normal is what Android uses by default and is adequate for the vast majority of work flows. Deep requires an add on product (Island) and seems to be a solution looking for a problem. You could have discovered all this by searching the thread or reading documentation.
Peter770 said:
What is the difference between the three hibernation modes: default, normal hibernation, deep hibernation (by island)?
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I absolutely concur to @Davey126's correct statement and recommendation, and I'm unable to add anything substantial. However, I like to share my settings (please refer to attached screenshots), and if interested and required I'll provide information, which of my applications are not greenified.
Regarding your question, at least from my point of view all settings are pretty well explained within Greenify but it's also worth to study the threads by @oasisfeng that are pinned to this Greenify forum.
Thanks, for the screenshots. It was helpful.
I have problem with some apps, like Nine email client, which won't hibernate. Why is that?
Peter770 said:
I have problem with some apps, like Nine email client, which won't hibernate. Why is that?
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They might be woken up by other apps. If so, you can cut off the links using wakeup tracker option in Greenify's settings.
'Wake-up tracking and cut-off' option is enabled.
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'Wake-up tracking and cut-off' option is enabled.
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Merely enabling the option is not enough. You have to manually cut off the trigger. When an app which you greenified wakes up automatically and is shown in Greenify as pending hibernation, if you long press the app, it will show some info like which app or process triggered it and whether it is critical etc. Then you can click the three dot menu button at top right and choose to cut off the trigger using the scissor icon or to ignore its running state. Then it will remain hibernated. Be careful while choosing the options since it may have unwanted side effects. Unless you are sure that you don't absolutely want that app to run in the background and be woken only upon your choosing to open it, don't meddle with the options.
EDIT: I am rusty with Greenify since I haven't installed it for my daily driver and hence the instructions are from memory. There may be some slight differences with what I stated and the actual behaviour.
I don't see these Greenify options but my device is running android 4.4.2 and that might be the reason.
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I don't see these Greenify options but my device is running android 4.4.2 and that might be the reason.
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Sorry, I have no idea since I never ran Greenify before MM and that was looong ago.
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Default is whatever you set as the default in Greenify settings. Normal is what Android uses by default and is adequate for the vast majority of work flows. Deep requires an add on product (Island) and seems to be a solution looking for a problem. You could have discovered all this by searching the thread or reading documentation.
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True man, but i am looking for that documentation for a few days (cause i like to read...); so i ended up here... still... no documentation...
So please, if you are kind, give me a link to Greenify documentation.!
Thanks.!
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True man, but i am looking for that documentation for a few days (cause i like to read...); so i ended up here... still... no documentation...
So please, if you are kind, give me a link to Greenify documentation.!
Thanks.!
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Greenify is obsolete; power management approaches of the past are no longer relevant. Looking forward is a better time investment. Greenify documentation exists somewhere but I'm not going hunting. Good luck, mate.
DB126 said:
Greenify is obsolete; power management approaches of the past are no longer relevant. Looking forward is a better time investment. Greenify documentation exists somewhere but I'm not going hunting. Good luck, mate.
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Very true, though it took me a few days to convince myself..., just to remember why i freezed it few years ago...
Thanks...!
I am trying to understand why apps restart instead of resuming from where they hibernated. I thought the point of Greenify was to not kill the app but to hibernate it and resume it later from the same point.
A simple case of reproduction of this is: start playing a puzzle in andoku, hibernate it in greenify and move back to it. It goes back to the main screen and not show the screen of that specific puzzle that I was solving before gibernate.
Is greenify even working?
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I am trying to understand why apps restart instead of resuming from where they hibernated. I thought the point of Greenify was to not kill the app but to hibernate it and resume it later from the same point.
A simple case of reproduction of this is: start playing a puzzle in andoku, hibernate it in greenify and move back to it. It goes back to the main screen and not show the screen of that specific puzzle that I was solving before gibernate.
Is greenify even working?
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Did you try the shallow hibernation or normal hibernation?
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I am trying to understand why apps restart instead of resuming from where they hibernated. I thought the point of Greenify was to not kill the app but to hibernate it and resume it later from the same point.
A simple case of reproduction of this is: start playing a puzzle in andoku, hibernate it in greenify and move back to it. It goes back to the main screen and not show the screen of that specific puzzle that I was solving before gibernate.
Is greenify even working?
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Yes, Greenify is working on many (tens of) thousands of devices. Likely YOUR device, rom or kernel is aggressively clearing memory due to limited resources. What are you using?
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Did you try the shallow hibernation or normal hibernation?
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I tried both but app restarts instead of resuming.
Yes, Greenify is working on many (tens of) thousands of devices.
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What's your definition of working? It runs and does something or works as in if an app is hibernated and started, it resumes. If its the latter, its clearly not working...
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I tried both but app restarts instead of resuming.
What's your definition of working? It runs and does something or works as in if an app is hibernated and started, it resumes. If its the latter, its clearly not working...
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Not going to engage on this level. Greenify stands on its own merrits.
If not happy with the results nor willing to share device/rom/config info that might help with 'problem' determination then it probably ain't the right tool.
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Not going to engage on this level. Greenify stands on its own merrits.
If not happy with the results nor willing to share device/rom/config info that might help with 'problem' determination then it probably ain't the right tool.
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Are you able to resume any app from EXACTLY the same spot as you hibernated it from, after you manually hibernate it?
Aggressive OS/ROM does not matter. We are talking about a single app, hibernate manually, try to resume right away. The example of andoku I gave is a small app which does not require a whole lot of memory. So, I should be able to resume it right after hibernating it.
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Are you able to resume any app from EXACTLY the same spot as you hibernated it from, after you manually hibernate it?
Aggressive OS/ROM does not matter. We are talking about a single app, hibernate manually, try to resume right away. The example of andoku I gave is a small app which does not require a whole lot of memory. So, I should be able to resume it right after hibernating it.
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Just for interest, I'd downloaded and installed Andoku. Greenified Andoku. Played a few minutes and stopped within the game. Closed Andoku. Ensured Andoku was hibernated. Opened Andoku and was able to resume my game exactly at the point where I'd closed Andoku.
Just for completeness although most likely unimportant in this matter: Andoku had no internet access granted in AFWall+.
Personal conclusion: Greenify (currently on v4.6.3) works exactly and perfectly as advertised!
Personal remark: I concur with @Davey126. Unless you provide sufficient information about device, ROM, kernel and "configuration" (e.g. Magisk, Xposed, XprivacyLua, tools that restrict permissions, services, broadcast receiver etc.) most likely nobody is able to support you.
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Are you able to resume any app from EXACTLY the same spot as you hibernated it from, after you manually hibernate it?
Aggressive OS/ROM does not matter. We are talking about a single app, hibernate manually, try to resume right away. The example of andoku I gave is a small app which does not require a whole lot of memory. So, I should be able to resume it right after hibernating it.
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Android hibernation is not the same as Windows hibernation. Resumability is not assured - especially on a resource constrained or highly 'tuned' ROM. You should probably read up on how it works and the primary objective of Greenify which is to suspend unwanted background activity. In that respect it shares many characteristics with doze.
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Just for interest, I'd downloaded and installed Andoku. Greenified Andoku. Played a few minutes and stopped within the game. Closed Andoku. Ensured Andoku was hibernated. Opened Andoku and was able to resume my game exactly at the point where I'd closed Andoku.
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Did you use the pause/resume feature of the Andoku game or did you just click the game to start it again, and it resumed where you left off? Typically, if you resume using the game's feature, you have to click through 3 times to resume your game. If the app is resuming from where it left off, its 1 click just to start the game.
If you resumed the app as if you switched to it using app switcher, then something definitely is broken on my end.
Just for completeness although most likely unimportant in this matter: Andoku had no internet access granted in AFWall+.
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I do the same.
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Unless you provide sufficient information about device, ROM, kernel and "configuration" (e.g. Magisk, Xposed, XprivacyLua, tools that restrict permissions, services, broadcast receiver etc.) most likely nobody is able to support you.
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I am stock Pixel 3 XL with Magisk 18.1 root. Nothing else. I have given all perms needed by greenify.
Android hibernation is not the same as Windows hibernation.
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I think this is where likely the disconnect is. I started using greenify several years ago (I have been here on these forums for a while, I keep that dated forum reference in my signature for remembering how far android and this community has come). If I recall correctly, I used to be able to resume apps, just by clicking or switching to them. Now, I notice a different behaviour: the app restarts from scratch. That's all. Obviously, I preferred the app to not start but resume like I was just switching to it.
I don't know if this is relevant in this case, but doesn't Greenify in non-root mode just force stop apps? I believe this to be the case because I can see it happening; i.e., when hibernation is triggered, for each app hibernated the app info screen briefly appears and the warning dialog about force stopping an app flashes on screen momentarily.
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I don't know if this is relevant in this case, but doesn't Greenify in non-root mode just force stop apps? I believe this to be the case because I can see it happening; i.e., when hibernation is triggered, for each app hibernated the app info screen briefly appears and the warning dialog about force stopping an app flashes on screen momentarily.
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Correct. The equivalent happens on rooted devices just in a more efficient and largely transparent manner. If the ROM later opts to recover some/all of the resources consumed by the 'hibernated' app standard Android memory mgmt rules apply. In most cases that means only critical pointers are retained which may or may not contain sufficient information to resume from the point the app was in when last in the foreground.
Davey126 said:
Correct. The equivalent happens on rooted devices just in a more efficient and largely transparent manner. If the ROM later opts to recover some/all of the resources consumed by the 'hibernated' app standard Android memory mgmt rules apply. In most cases that means only critical pointers are retained which may or may not contain sufficient information to resume from the point the app was in when last in the foreground.
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But AIUI, force stopping an app is essentially killing the app process. So for the app to start afresh when next launched, rather than resuming from where it was left, would be expected behaviour.
Is Greenifying an app functionally better than disabling Background Activity from the app's Battery Usage page (a new setting in Oreo)? IWHT the latter achieves the same result but without killing the app.
I am running root mode. So, let's not talk about non-root mode.
If a hibernated app is going to restart from scratch instead of resume, I might as well just clear all apps (that I fed to Greenify) on screen off with 5 min delay using tasker/automate. Why bother with anything else?
The point of Greenify was to be able to resume the app after hibernate as if you just switched to it. This used to work, I have tested it in the past. Not anymore though.
olliebean said:
But AIUI, force stopping an app is essentially killing the app process. So for the app to start afresh when next launched, rather than resuming from where it was left, would be expected behaviour.
Is Greenifying an app functionally better than disabling Background Activity from the app's Battery Usage page (a new setting in Oreo)? IWHT the latter achieves the same result but without killing the app.
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Well, no ... but this is not the place for that discussion. Not going to get into Android 101 or validating speculation around various actions.
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devsk said:
I am running root mode. So, let's not talk about non-root mode.
If a hibernated app is going to restart from scratch instead of resume, I might as well just clear all apps (that I fed to Greenify) on screen off with 5 min delay using tasker/automate. Why bother with anything else?
The point of Greenify was to be able to resume the app after hibernate as if you just switched to it. This used to work, I have tested it in the past. Not anymore though.
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Sorry it is not working with your device/kernel/ROM/root solution. Could be an adverse interaction with the doze mechanisms in Android 9, aggressive memory management settings (eg: VM, LMK), resource mapping of the app(s) you are trying to hibernate, etc. I have not see a lot of feedback from Pie users as doze generally addresses rogue background activity and corresponding power drain. So the behavior may be different on that platform. I use Greenify on a variety of devices for other reasons for which it continues to work well. Just another tool in shop; appropriate selection is the key to success. Good luck.
i was wondering..... some apps like greenify or superfreezZ use accessibility usage to track the app behaviour and auto hibernate them, but since android 9 there is a new command to restrict the background activity of an app and it is RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND
you can simply enable in app info>battery>background restriction set to RESTRICT.
is it a "better" way to hibernate an app and stop all trackers, alarms and services that DRAIN the phone battery? or maybe it's is less powerfull than "force stop" the app?
how does compare DOZE to RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND ? i suppose 1st is a generall switch off for all apps, BUT only on screen off. when you use the phone the "bad" app could continue to do what he wants, wakelocks, call some strange domains to receive or updload datas.... BUT WHAT IF it is restricted by RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND? the app is not force stopped but should be something like hibernated when it's not foreground....?
i found some info here
App Power Management | Android Open Source Project
source.android.com
realista87 said:
i was wondering..... some apps like greenify or superfreezZ use accessibility usage to track the app behaviour and auto hibernate them, but since android 9 there is a new command to restrict the background activity of an app and it is RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND
you can simply enable in app info>battery>background restriction set to RESTRICT.
is it a "better" way to hibernate an app and stop all trackers, alarms and services that DRAIN the phone battery? or maybe it's is less powerfull than "force stop" the app?
how does compare DOZE to RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND ? i suppose 1st is a generall switch off for all apps, BUT only on screen off. when you use the phone the "bad" app could continue to do what he wants, wakelocks, call some strange domains to receive or updload datas.... BUT WHAT IF it is restricted by RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND? the app is not force stopped but should be something like hibernated when it's not foreground....?
i found some info here
App Power Management | Android Open Source Project
source.android.com
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Force Stop = "Hibernate"
Force Stop = App is killed and removed from memory, and (for the most part) not be able to start itself up again. User can. I read you asked the exact same question elsewhere and some talked how apps can restart themselves. Yes, its true BUT its the exceptioopn, not the rule. The only app that ciones to mind at the moment in my past is Google Play. His statement is misleading in practical everyday use. Test it for yourself.
I havent used it, but, RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND explicitly requires the "deny" or "allow" attribute. The app is still in memory and therefore would have some possibility of bringing itself back to life; much more so than a force-stop. Some apps are developed with running a service as a foreground app. Also, RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND is a TESTING feature of android.
ie Force Stop > RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND
I have a hot spot on my home screen (custom launcher allowing scripts) that turns my screen oof and then force-stops all apps that I do not want running in the background.
You want an app to stop consuming battery, then force-stop is the way to go.
"RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND is a TESTING feature of android."
mhhh so u say that not every app will really stop his background behaviour for sure? i thought that the command is quite sure to keep a closed app a "not battery hungry" app, stopping some services, alarms.
basically if u would choose an app to force close apps, would u choose superfreezz (because it s foss) over other alternatives like greenify or brevent?
because i would avoid to install any app for this, IF the command RUN_ANY....... is to consider quite powerfull and acceptable to "stop draining " battery from malicious apps...
realista87 said:
"RUN_ANY_IN_BACKGROUND is a TESTING feature of android."
mhhh so u say that not every app will really stop his background behaviour for sure? i thought that the command is quite sure to keep a closed app a "not battery hungry" app, stopping some services, alarms.
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If you want to stop it, the a force stop is the way. Its much more "powerful" than what you found.
realista87 said:
basically if u would choose an app to force close apps, would u choose superfreezz (because it s foss) over other alternatives like greenify or brevent?
because i would avoid to install any app for this, IF the command RUN_ANY....... is to consider quite powerfull and acceptable to "stop draining " battery from malicious apps...
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I explained to you, I use a shell script to get the job done. No need for another app, that also may consume unnecessary battery and memory.