Gadgets + Adaptors - how much do you gain by replacing them with "native" gadgets?
Rather than "how much" the question should be "do you gain anything"?
So I have USB 3.0 dongles out the wazoo. An ethernet adaptor, a serial port adapter, an (unpowered) 3 port USB 3.0 hub + card reader, etc. And I have USB-C to USB 3.0 adapter.
Is there any reason to replace these gadgets? For instance, will a USB-C card reader transfer data faster than a USB 3.0 card reader plus an adapter cable? How about USB 3.0 thumb drives on the 3.0 hub?
I've found only one non-starter so far. I have a 100gb USB 3.0 power-over-USB hard drive that requires too much power. I didn't expect it to work because it draws too much power for my laptop unless the laptop is plugged into wall-power. My Insignia USB-C to hdmi/USB/usb-c power also doesn't support the hard drive. So I guess I need to look for another adapter! It _will_ work with a powered micro-USB to USB 2.0 dongle + micro-USB to USB-C adapter, but even I know that is a kluge beyond the pale.
I don't have a bluetooth keyboard, but both a USB keyboard and a Logitech keyboard with Universal RF / USB receiver work fine (although I can see the advantage to Bluetooth over both)
Besides HDMI, which seems to be touchy because of the power requirements (my Insignia adaptor seems to have "slow charging" issues), what kind of gadgets are you finding useful, and which ones do you need to update to USB-C?
Take care,
Joe
At least from the card reader perspective, I have speed tested using the adapter and no difference. I also use an adapter for my smart card reader without issue...and cheap adapters at that.
I think you need an all in one adapters (like USB's, SD card reader, ethernet, HDMI and usb type-c for charging) and effective internal components for transfer speed and power delivery.
I have an adapter from Ugreen 7 in 1 adapter and works great but if you can't find it you can probably get the same things from different brands.
For a keyboard and mouse, going with the all Bluetooth or one universal dongle like Logitech make sense but don't forget that if just use the keyboard and mice with the all in one dongle drains your battery a lot but if you have just type-c to usb 3.0 adapter or type-c to otg (whatever you call it) it is much for useful and you don't toggle Bluetooth always. But for Bluetooth you don't need to carry the adapters.
For HDMI, i am using the all in one or HDMI and power delivery adapter (from Ugreen too) but it depends on what i need.
So you always need different adapters for what you do. But i don't know about pluging the hub to a hub, but it is not useful and not looking good so one adapter is more effective.
But there is a problem with these adapters, they need power and it is not fast charging the tablet(but not slowly charging too just normal) with the adapter that come with so i think you have to have a PD charge for tablet when using adapters because it doesn't support QC3.0 (i tested but not fast charging).
Berkowich,
PD and QC3 charging is not something I'd heard of before. I've read some web pages now but have questions.. Because this is sort of a different topic I'll start a new thread. If you can respond, that would be great!
Thanks,
Joe
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Hi together,
ive asked me if it is possible to use an adapter for 1x micro usb (plug) -> 2x micro usb (jack).
Could the phone handle 2 USB devices at the same time?
Maybe then it is possible to use the HDMI output and the USB host parallel?
For example to use an TV as screen and an HDD as the source for a movie.
This would be nice.
Thanks in advance.
macc
When the connector is used for HDMI I doubt it can be used as USB at the same time, I'n sorry.
Maybe in a few months cyanogenmod provides a hack, if there will be an dual adapter soon.
We will see. Thank you.
macc
The hardware needs to allow this if it'd become possible. You need a really smart USB dongle that knows how to split the HDMI output from the USB output.
Sounds a little too difficult to ever happen.
Hmm thats right. I think i still dream xD
But thank you.
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it is not possible. because as stated on this forum many times before, the type of usb connection is determined by the resistor between pin 4 and 5 of the micro usb connector. the strength can tell the phone, that there is either a charger, a pc connection, car kit, jig, usb otg or mhl connection present.
and i believe, this is an important thing to keep in mind for so many things:
for instance, why the original car kit triggers car mode and generic car charging cables don't or why not just any micro usb male to usb a female will work as a otg cable or why flashing should be done with the original usb cable...
so if you were to buy or build a micro usb hub, since it has no resistor in the very plug that connects to the phone, it cannot be used for anything but charging and quite frankly, i wouldn't connect more than one charger to the phone.
however, if you want to use your phone for presentations or watching movies and still be able to use it, get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse or a bluetooth presenter or do it the other way around and use a usb input device and transfer your media using allshare. everything else is physically impossible, so neither CM nor XDA can do anything about it. the only device that can do what you want is the new motorola. it has a separate micro usb and micro hdmi port and a docking station, so you can use it as a full notebook.
Thats obvious. Thank you.
macc
Is there any way to connect a USB Host adapter + charge the TF at the same time? I'd like to be able to watch videos (most of which are on my USB HDD) without having to spend hours copying them all to MicroSD just so I can charge the TF (and I use it a lot in my car (while parked, not while driving obviously) and dont want to have to dock the TF to do so (the main reason I use a tablet in the car is there is so little space between me and the steering wheel))
Possibly dissecting a Datacable so it forks the charge into 1 plug and the USB into the other? or wiring in a barrel plug to one of the USB host adapters? (I'm assuming it's not possible to just use a generic USB hub and somehow reverse the power on one of the ports to allow charging...?)
Not sure if his answers your question, but essentially, the pin layout on the cable that connects to the wall charger for the Asus Transformer matches the USB 3.0 spec.
As seen here on Amazon, you'll need a USB 3.0 cable to effectively work as an extension cable for charging via the wall-outlet.
Therefore, by the same logic, if you have a USB 3.0 port on your computer, you'll be able to make use of the extra voltage to do the same thing.
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Not sure if his answers your question, but essentially, the pin layout on the cable that connects to the wall charger for the Asus Transformer matches the USB 3.0 spec.
As seen here on Amazon, you'll need a USB 3.0 cable to effectively work as an extension cable for charging via the wall-outlet.
Therefore, by the same logic, if you have a USB 3.0 port on your computer, you'll be able to make use of the extra voltage to do the same thing.
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I don't think the USB 3.0 on a computer will supply more than 5V and 900mA. Not enough to charger the TF.
You best bet is to use a USB 2.0 extension cord, take out the wires that go to pin 1 and pin 4 and connect those wires to a 12V power source.
Absolutely no need to use a USB 3.0 extension cord.
Look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321
To answer OP's question, there's only 1 USB host port on the ASUS Transformer TF101 USB Kit. I don't think that's possible.
Confirm both replies - the Amazon-linked cable does indeed allow an extension of the power delivery from a stock power adapter, but connecting to USB 3.0 port on a PC will not charge the device. Just connected it direct too, not via a hub (even though it is a 3.0 hub - didn't work on that either...)
Suspect custom wiring required, as OP has speculated - anyone?
I bought a micro USB (M) to USB (F) adapter so I could plug in my XBOX PC wireless game receiver into my LTEVO, which is intended to allow me to use my Xbox 360 wireless controller with my phone. However, the wireless receiver will not power up when I plug it into my phone. It works when I plug it into my PC, so I know the receiver is not the issue.
Is there a setting that I need change on my phone in order for the receiver to get power? Or do I need a different adapter in order for this to work? I've seen them work on the Youtube videos, so I know this is possible. I appreciate your assistance!
I don't think the microusb port supplies power to external devices??? Or if it does it may not provide enough to power the adapter. I believe that is why if you buy the MHL adapter for HDMI it only works if you plug your charger into it to supply power.
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I don't think the microusb port supplies power to external devices??? Or if it does it may not provide enough to power the adapter. I believe that is why if you buy the MHL adapter for HDMI it only works if you plug your charger into it to supply power.
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Valid point, however, check out all these Youtube videos showing the adapter/receiver working without external power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pE1rJ5nKYI
I think for that to work the device needs to have USB-host capability (and have that capability enabled.) I don't know if the LTEVO has this, but I kinda suspect that it doesn't.
One of the things I’m really amazed by with the modern PDAs is the USB OTG. So just as I found out that my Galaxy has it, I got myself an adapter (for less than $3) and tested it with several devices. Here’re my results:
USB flash drives: every single one I tried worked perfectly except a 1 GB drive of unknown vendor, which wasn't even recognized by the Galaxy, works okay with PCs thought.
External HDDs: the Toshiba 500 GB USB 3.0 drive wasn't recognized and didn't show any signs of life. Surprisingly, a 320 GB SATA WD Blue in a USB bay was detected and spinned up, but the Galaxy didn't recognize the file system and asked if I want to format it. I didn't, since the disk had some data I needed, but there's definitely a potential.
Input devices: all the mice and keyboards I tried worked as they should, both wired and wireless, which was expected. Which wasn't, is that DualShock3 controller from my PS3 was immediately recognized too without any additional drivers or software, it even let me control the menus. Sadly, that wasn't the case with my Logitech Freedom 2.4 wireless joystick. I guess the power wasn't enough.
Output devices: Sennheiser wired USB headset (basically, the USB sound adapter with the headset attached) worked as it should. HP LaserJet P1102 printer didn't work even with USB printing service installed.
Overally, I got much more then I dreamed of, especially since I heard that the OTG is very poor on a modern devices. DualShock3 success is especially cool.
This is quite weird as I have tried the original Samsung Micro USB OTG adapter, with the little white USB-C adapter and it did not work. This is on A3 2017.
There were rumors that USB OTG was disabled. Which adapter do you have?
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This is quite weird as I have tried the original Samsung Micro USB OTG adapter, with the little white USB-C adapter and it did not work. This is on A3 2017.
There were rumors that USB OTG was disabled. Which adapter do you have?
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The rumors aren't true. The thing is, Type-C uses a different pinout for OTG, so it shouldn't be a combo of Type-C to Micro and Micro to Type-A OTG, it should be a special Type-C to Type-A OTG adapter. The adapter that comes with the device is good for charging only, or so I heard. I’ll photo my adapter, but I got it for almost nothing in a local computers store.
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The rumors aren't true. The thing is, Type-C uses a different pinout for OTG, so it shouldn't be a combo of Type-C to Micro and Micro to Type-A OTG, it should be a special Type-C to Type-A OTG adapter. The adapter that comes with the device is good for charging only, or so I heard. I’ll photo my adapter, but I got it for almost nothing in a local computers store.
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Very interesting. A different pinout for OTG. Yeah I thought it was the combo that shoud have worked.
The little adapter comes with the device is said to be charge and sync. Because when connected to my PC it works. for data transfer.
http://www.nix.ru/autocatalog/usb_cables/KS-is-KS-297-Perehodnik-USB-AF-USB-C-M-OTG_279425.html
Here’s the one I got. The site is in Russian, but the pictures are self-explanatory.
I have an OTG now from Aliexpress. It works for my A3 2017. 90 degree angle connector.
Now onto an USB-C to HDMI. The official Samsung EE-HG950 does not work.
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The rumors aren't true. The thing is, Type-C uses a different pinout for OTG, so it shouldn't be a combo of Type-C to Micro and Micro to Type-A OTG, it should be a special Type-C to Type-A OTG adapter. The adapter that comes with the device is good for charging only, or so I heard. I’ll photo my adapter, but I got it for almost nothing in a local computers store.
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So if i understand correctly the little "micro usb connector" that comes with the A5 2017 won't work for anything other than charging? I tried using it with a regular otg cable and it doesn't detect any flash drive, not even a ps3 controller, i don't even get the notification that a usb is plugged in.
But whats weird is if i use a male to male usb cable and connect to to a pc it works just fine. Any idea whats causing this?
Please help. I have the same problem. I have newly bought a5 2017. I already have otg usb drive sandisk. The adapter type c included in the box didn't work fine. Except only for charging when connected to usb 2.0.
My usb otg drive will become useless if it doesn't read by my device. What should i do? Or how to activate maybe my otg support? Tnx in advance.
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Please help. I have the same problem. I have newly bought a5 2017. I already have otg usb drive sandisk. The adapter type c included in the box didn't work fine. Except only for charging when connected to usb 2.0.
My usb otg drive will become useless if it doesn't read by my device. What should i do? Or how to activate maybe my otg support? Tnx in advance.
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The adapter from the box is just for charging and data transfer to compuer. If you want to use your flasdisk you can buy a new usb otg for type c slot.
Anyone who knows the capabilities of the USB-C port?? Is it possible to use USBpens, external harddrives, card-reader etc? And how about USB-C to HDMI, a seller in a store told me he did it with his m5... But I have my doubts to whether that was "salesmens talk"...
Don't have an M5 yet (tomorrow), but the Mate SE (micro usb) port can be used for many things people are not aware of. For many things all you need is an OTG cable (usb-c or micro to usb). I've plugged in usb thumb drives and even a wireless keyboard and mouse using a logitech unifying receiver (first set usb connection to midi).
A quick search turned this usb-c to hdmi adapter on amazon, looks like there are many different ones available. Have never tried this with any of my android devices, but if they make these adapters, well it certainly gives one hope that it *might* work, it certainly must in some circumstances.
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Supporting-Thunderbolt-Compatible/dp/B00X4S5C7G
I have a HDMI adapter I use for the Nintendo Switch (which also should work with Samsung devices) and that one doesn't work with my M5 8.4.
I also have a USB-C OTG adapter and a USB memory stick works, but I haven't yried anything else.
It doesn't appear that the M5 is capable of hdmi output. Mhl and slimport seem to be absent.
I used a USB c combo dongle , it had USB A female and sd card slot.
On holiday I used it to copy my gopro videos to ssd. It wasn't pushing usb 3 speeds and the system acts a little weird when it is plugged in - movies that are downloading on amazon or Google play would go to the ssd or sdcard plugged in from otg, even though I have an sdcard in the external asd slot
Doesn't seem to work as USB DAC with Hugo using UAPP
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Doesn't seem to work as USB DAC with Hugo using UAPP
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Weird, I've tried it with Hugo 2 / UAPP playing hi-res flac and it seems to work fine. I set it in bit perfect mode and the bit rate indicator LED showed the correct bitrate. I did have to try a couple of unplug/replug to get the tablet to do some permission requests. It also worked with Youtube and the default Android audio system - though I did have to stop UAPP kicking in.
USB C can power external hard drive, and ive got one of those USB to 2.5in adapters that powers a 1tb toshiba laptop drive and that's ok too, the tablet also give me the option to reverse charge, so i presume it is capable of high amp output on the port, maybe up to 1A or more
I've tried an USB type-c to hdmi cable and it doesn't work , the same cable works on a P20 Pro.
Yeah the USB port isn't working correctly. It's supposed to be USB 3.0, but i am copying at 18MB/s (onto an SD card capable of 100MB/s)
Confirmed with Huawei it's USB 2.0
Seriously dissapointed, and I know it sounds silly but this device isn't useful without USB 3.0, I have an action camera and hence I copy video to internal SD card. What use is a device if you can't input/output to it fast enough.
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"Thank you for contacting Huawei Support.
The USB specification on the M5 tablet are:
HDM-Out does not work. I tried adding the necessary lines to the build.prop file as well with no success. Seems the hardware physically does not support MHL. We're stuck with MirrorShare which works pretty well.
Huawei M5 HDMI CABLE not supported
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I've tried an USB type-c to hdmi cable and it doesn't work , the same cable works on a P20 Pro.
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Have same experience. Really regret buying high end Huawei M5 and then realised I could not use it with HDMI cable. Wireless projection is really lag!
For folks with slow USB data issues, it mat be that you need a powered hub for it to work optimally. I've had this issue with a few Android devices over the years.