Please pay a bit more attention to the reason why most of us bought this phone: https://www.androidauthority.com/motorola-moto-z3-play-review-885207/
Must I stress this? I'm sure I am not the only one getting annoyed by the lack of Moto Mod support in most current Custom Roms.
(Pixel Experience and Lineage 15.1 implementing it the best when it comes to 8.1)
There is even an entire sub redit complaining about this...
I am no developer myself, but here it is laid out on how to make a ROM that supports most Moto Mods, this seemed a bit buried and hard to find, but seems extremely useful as if someone has already done the nitty gritty work:
There is a detailed Mod Porting tutorial at the bottom of this thread:
> https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72601804&postcount=2 <
And I don't know if this is possible but it would also be great to have something like a flashable zip or base that supported Moto Mods for treble or/GSI ROMS in the future.
If anyone can get a Pie rom working with MODS soon enough, you'll beat Motorola to it. Think about that... you could work for them, because sadly it's something they haven't accomplished yet lol.
This should be in MOTO Z2 PLAY GUIDES, NEWS, & DISCUSSION.
Try looking, it has been explained before why we only have battery mod support. Besides, development is dead, there are no Devs now.
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Try looking, it has been explained before why we only have battery mod support. Besides, development is dead, there are no Devs now.
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I looked and I found that it is possible to have more than the battery mod support, hence this post. The ROM I am on now, lineage 15.1 (Oreo 8.1 with November security patch)> works with my projector mode also.
Past custom Roms have also supported more than the battery mod.
I hope I don't have to explain the concept of looking to you, there are no Devs currently, development is not dead, they are waiting for/working on Pie. That you would know if you have been looking and reading the forums and posts by Devs.
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This should be in MOTO Z2 PLAY GUIDES, NEWS, & DISCUSSION.
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Tell me, where is it more likely to be seen by Devs?
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I looked and I found that it is possible to have more than the battery mod support, hence this post. The ROM I am on now, lineage 15.1 (Oreo 8.1 with November security patch)> works with my projector mode also.
Past custom Roms have also supported more than the battery mod.
I hope I don't have to explain the concept of looking to you, there are no Devs currently, development is not dead, they are waiting for/working on Pie. That you would know if you have been looking and reading the forums and posts by Devs.
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For your information, one of the old Devs here said only battery mod for z2 play because the other mods caused too many problems on custom ROMs. Also, nobody is working on pie on xda for z2p. The Devs that where here all left, they are not waiting, they moved on.
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For your information, one of the old Devs here said only battery mod for z2 play because the other mods caused too many problems on custom ROMs. Also, nobody is working on pie on xda for z2p. The Devs that where here all left, they are not waiting, they moved on.
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Even tho I have proof of the projector mod working very stable on my phone on lineage 15.1 January security update???? And other mods in the link I supplied in the post??? Cool story...
The whole point of this post was to help devs like that accomplish it. I am guessing this is one reason why many give up...You have no idea how incorrect you are obviously, I have read 2 devs for these mod compatible ROMS state they were waiting for Pie. Because 8.1 is sufficiently accomplished now. Waiting= no current activity/posts/8.1 updates. I just technically had a dev here work on lineage 15.1 for me yesterday, compiling the new security update.
Want the link to this best ROM for the phone right now or can you LOOK for it by yourself? Thanks to me it's really not hard to find.
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Even tho I have proof of the projector mod working very stable on my phone on lineage 15.1 January security update???? And other mods in the link I supplied in the post??? Cool story...
The whole point of this post was to help devs like that accomplish it. I am guessing this is one reason why many give up...You have no idea how incorrect you are obviously, I have read 3 devs for these mod compatible ROMS state they were waiting for Pie. Because 8.1 is sufficiently accomplished now. Waiting= no current activity/posts/8.1 updates. I just had a dev here work in lineage 15.1 for me yesterday, compiling the new security update.
Want the link to this best ROM for the phone right now or can you LOOK for it by yourself? Thanks to me it's really not hard to find.
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I was going to respond to your misunderstandings but, had to much of a giggle at your progressive edits to further attack me. Goodbye, no time for you.
Please explain this misunderstanding of mine:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z2-play/development/rom-lineageos-15-1-t3731228/page42
And look where that got me. 2 stable mods, 8.1 64 bit, January security patch and even a microg version.
Again I will add another screenshot taken from the post about mod compatibility.
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Fact: A Dev compiled a security update for lineage albus yesterday. Another made a microg variant a few weeks ago.
Fact: the link in this post is how stable mod support can be accomplished.
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Try looking, it has been explained before why we only have battery mod support. Besides, development is dead, there are no Devs now.
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K.O.
This was your original comment, you were clearly claiming we only have battery mod support now, and why that is.
On a post containing information to why that is not, and how we can achieve more than that.
Like wow...
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K.O.
This was your original comment, you were clearly claiming we only have battery mod support now, and why that is.
On a post containing information to why that is not, and how we can achieve more than that.
Like wow...
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Correct, I was claiming based on the last information I had from a Dev. And you seem to have found the answer, I stand corrected. Finished?
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Correct, I was claiming based on the last information I had from a Dev. And you seem to have found the answer, I stand corrected. Finished?
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Sure, please enjoy the ROM.
I was initially perturbed mostly because you told me to go look, when I had already spent countless hours looking and finding. Thanks for acknowledging this.
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It's gonna be more likely to be seen in the right thread section (as now). Otherwise it looks like you believe that you are higher than the rules we all here try to respect (the convenient thing is to keep each section ordered).
Have a nice day. :good:
guys, guuuys !! You done bickering, have you?
Now please have a look back at your posts, they look better, don`t they?
Further inflammatory posts containing disrespectful and useless remarks like "stupid, idiotic, butt-hurt" and so on will be removed and not only edited would also unleash some "respectful" pm`s straight to your inbox.
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if it is a discussion then it must take place in this section, and "to be more visible" this is up to the level of conversation, what needs to be seen it will be always seen.
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Please keep it civil and enjoy the forums.
Thank you!
as long as the topic has drastically changed its direction and no one is interested anymore, I`ll be closing it.
I have nicely requested to keep it civil but it seems that no one cares. @MusicAlleyInc message me please when you think this thread can continue on the topic that has been created and I will reopen it.
Thanks for understanding
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Hey everyone, I'm new here and have been trying to find out what's going on with the i717 in regards to kitkat rom development. Anyone have any updates or know how soon we can expect to see some nightlies or any types of builds?
Thanks!
Has it even been released yet?
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Hey everyone, I'm new here and have been trying to find out what's going on with the i717 in regards to kitkat rom development. Anyone have any updates or know how soon we can expect to see some nightlies or any types of builds?
Thanks!
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I will edit my original post here cause I was a bit of an A-hole. this was you first post and I didn't want your first impression to be as nobody here wants to help. of course if you had already read the previous, than I am too late and can only apologize.
a few spoken rules in one of the threads for newbies here.
1. run a search, maybe the question has already been asked before
2. read, read, read
3. help yourself first, as nobody is going to do the work for you.
there are thousands of people that are more than willing to help here, but you should be mindful of repeating questions as some folks can get irritated. it is usually someone that asks a specific question about an issue that was just addressed 2 post up or on the previous page.
making a personal request for an immediate feature that may have just been announce can also annoy some developers. some to the point where they have stopped developing.
good luck and remember to read
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I will edit my original post here cause I was a bit of an A-hole. this was you first post and I didn't want your first impression to be as nobody here wants to help. of course if you had already read the previous, than I am too late and can only apologize.
a few spoken rules in one of the threads for newbies here.
1. run a search, maybe the question has already been asked before
2. read, read, read
3. help yourself first, as nobody is going to do the work for you.
there are thousands of people that are more than willing to help here, but you should be mindful of repeating questions as some folks can get irritated. it is usually someone that asks a specific question about an issue that was just addressed 2 post up or on the previous page.
making a personal request for an immediate feature that may have just been announce can also annoy some developers. some to the point where they have stopped developing.
good luck and remember to read
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Thanks, I didn't read until after the edit, however from browsing around here I was worried I would just be told to shut the **** up etc...
I have tried looking all over the place for info on a 4.4 rom and if people are working on one for the i717. So far I can't find anything. I was just wondering if anyone knew if the phone would be getting a ROM or left behind.
Our latest official release was 4.1.2.
As you can see, we now have ROMs on 4.2.2, 4.3 and 4.3.1. I have not seen any devs "promise" a 4.4 rom, and I don't expect them to.
But, the 4.4 source just dropped few days ago, and I am pretty sure that they are looking at it, at the very least. If history is any indication, I would say we are going to get 4.4 roms eventually. Developing a rom is hard work, so please just wait.
Asking for an ETA might be irritating for devs, if you are not contributing to the development. And if you are contributing to the development, you should already know the answer to the question.
ddochi11 said:
Our latest official release was 4.1.2.
As you can see, we now have ROMs on 4.2.2, 4.3 and 4.3.1. I have not seen any devs "promise" a 4.4 rom, and I don't expect them to.
But, the 4.4 source just dropped few days ago, and I am pretty sure that they are looking at it, at the very least. If history is any indication, I would say we are going to get 4.4 roms eventually. Developing a rom is hard work, so please just wait.
Asking for an ETA might be irritating for devs, if you are not contributing to the development. And if you are contributing to the development, you should already know the answer to the question.
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Sorry, I don't mean to annoy anyone. I only came here because no other place had info and was told to go to XDA. I am not trying to rush anyone and I know these things are a ton of work. Like I said I was only wondering if people thought at some point 4.4 would come to the i717 not plz give me rom now.
amcateesd said:
Sorry, I don't mean to annoy anyone. I only came here because no other place had info and was told to go to XDA. I am not trying to rush anyone and I know these things are a ton of work. Like I said I was only wondering if people thought at some point 4.4 would come to the i717 not plz give me rom now.
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Jamie has gotten CM11 to fully build for the i717 but he hasn't completely debugged it yet.....I would think he will be posting it soon.
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Jamie has gotten CM11 to fully build for the i717 but he hasn't completely debugged it yet.....I would think he will be posting it soon.
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Thank you so much for your answer! It's nice to see people take five seconds to answer a simple question, I really do appreciate it. Have a greatrest of your day!!!
Its just a phone.
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Its just a phone.
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And?
He posted the preview in General. I haven't been able to flash it personally because I use TWRP (and only CWM works at this point) but you're welcome to check it out. Flashed CWM Recover to try. P3 ran well, although obviously a bit buggy. P4 is out now with less bugs--both ran smoothly...well enough that I'm happy using it as a daily driver.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2518785&highlight=4+4+kitkat
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He posted the preview in General. I haven't been able to flash it personally because I use TWRP (and only CWM works at this point) but you're welcome to check it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2518785&highlight=4+4+kitkat
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Yes, relative to ASOP/CM, the ones that I am aware of: JamieD81 is already working a version of CM11 plus his stand-alone Uber kernel and I believe that you will see Liquidsmooth (Patch_Adams) and Hellybean (ThdDude) come up with their versions.If you have not yet tried them, they all have excellent 4.3.1 kernel & Jellybean builds.
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ddochi11 said:
Our latest official release was 4.1.2.
As you can see, we now have ROMs on 4.2.2, 4.3 and 4.3.1. I have not seen any devs "promise" a 4.4 rom, and I don't expect them to.
But, the 4.4 source just dropped few days ago, and I am pretty sure that they are looking at it, at the very least. If history is any indication, I would say we are going to get 4.4 roms eventually. Developing a rom is hard work, so please just wait.
Asking for an ETA might be irritating for devs, if you are not contributing to the development. And if you are contributing to the development, you should already know the answer to the question.
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I would be happy with 4.3 if MHL works to use Chromecast features.
Would love to recycle older devices and connect to TV or Projector permanently.
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Most of the official ROMS are still in alpha, beta or nightly with no milestone version. Why is that?
Because most people don't rely on roms....xposed framework has greatly impacted my usage of roms.
I dunno why. Most of what I have used certainly didn't feel like a beta.
I am pretty gosh darn thankful we have what we have considering the limited number of newer devices with Verizon that can be tinkered with.
Exactly,
You should be thankful for what you have and not question what you don't.
A lot of devs and myself have jumped to the nexus 6, yet we still come here and build for you guys.
jfriend33 said:
Because most people don't rely on roms....xposed framework has greatly impacted my usage of roms.
I dunno why. Most of what I have used certainly didn't feel like a beta.
I am pretty gosh darn thankful we have what we have considering the limited number of newer devices with Verizon that can be tinkered with.
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I'm only curious because it's over a year old and they are still in this stage. That's all.
bweN diorD said:
Exactly,
You should be thankful for what you have and not question what you don't.
A lot of devs and myself have jumped to the nexus 6, yet we still come here and build for you guys.
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What was the purpose of your reply?
digitallure said:
What was the purpose of your reply?
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What was the purpose of your question? To piss of the few devs that still build for the g3?
Because thats how it came off, as ungrateful.
bweN diorD said:
What was the purpose of your question? To piss of the few devs that still build for the g3?
Because thats how it came off, as ungrateful.
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Well you need some perspective glasses. My question was just that, a question. If you have a problem with my question, maybe you should've asked someone else what they thought I'd the question instead of jumping to the conclusion that my question was other than a question. Don't be a troll.
Why would you insult someone who is contributing to the community? He was just saying that you shouldn't worry about the state of the roms here just be thankful that there is something for you to flash since a lot of developers have moved on from this device. I don't think your original question was wrong but the way you handled the responses were. Again just be thankful you have what you have or install Linux and compile the roms yourself.
Wow... His question didn't seem too insulting to me, just a bit ignorant and curious.
Most 'Unofficial' ROMs are work that someone has ported to the device; they are not supported by the teams that made the original.
Official ROMs are created by and most supported by the team on the specific device; the download is usually a link to the team's website. However, in many cases, they may only have one device among them and have not tested everything to the extent that either a test group or the public at large would, naturally. Development is always a WIP, so the BETA indicator is almost universal in custom ROMs where there is not major funding. More often, stock-based ROMs are called stable, because they are working with the base of a stable product that includes all the proprietary drivers and frameworks, vetted by a commissioned dev team at the OEM and another at the carrier.
Some devs/teams here are able to do more testing than others, but the BETA is often an exemption for anything that might not have been found in limited testing. In short, a ROM is often in beta because it has not been thoroughly tested by numerous testers on a specific device, providing detailed feedback and some debugging to the dev team. The more that users here dig in and try to help as opposed to saying "Does this work on this?" or "Why this don't workee??", the more stable those Beta ROMs tend to be--and some are rock solid or only have a few niggles.
Also, if the codebase that a dev starts with is a beta or nightly release (e.g. CM or PA), the child/forked ROM will most always carry over the alpha or beta label.
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Why would you insult someone who is contributing to the community? He was just saying that you shouldn't worry about the state of the roms here just be thankful that there is something for you to flash since a lot of developers have moved on from this device. I don't think your original question was wrong but the way you handled the responses were. Again just be thankful you have what you have or install Linux and compile the roms yourself.
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But I wasn't complaining. Simply asking a question about alpha and beta ROMs for the device. How is that insulting? If that was insulting, then every post made should be insulting. Why go any deeper? I just asked a question.
epidenimus said:
Wow... His question didn't seem too insulting to me, just a bit ignorant and curious.
Most 'Unofficial' ROMs are work that someone has ported to the device; they are not supported by the teams that made the original.
Official ROMs are created by and most supported by the team on the specific device; the download is usually a link to the team's website. However, in many cases, they may only have one device among them and have not tested everything to the extent that either a test group or the public at large would, naturally. Development is always a WIP, so the BETA indicator is almost universal in custom ROMs where there is not major funding. More often, stock-based ROMs are called stable, because they are working with the base of a stable product that includes all the proprietary drivers and frameworks, vetted by a commissioned dev team at the OEM and another at the carrier.
Some devs/teams here are able to do more testing than others, but the BETA is often an exemption for anything that might not have been found in limited testing. In short, a ROM is often in beta because it has not been thoroughly tested by numerous testers on a specific device, providing detailed feedback and some debugging to the dev team. The more that users here dig in and try to help as opposed to saying "Does this work on this?" or "Why this don't workee??", the more stable those Beta ROMs tend to be--and some are rock solid or only have a few niggles.
Also, if the codebase that a dev starts with is a beta or nightly release (e.g. CM or PA), the child/forked ROM will most always carry over the alpha or beta label.
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Thank you! Ignorant, yes. Curious yes, that's all. Ignorant because I don't know. Curious because I want to know why.
digitallure said:
Thank you! Ignorant, yes. Curious yes, that's all. Ignorant because I don't know. Curious because I want to know why.
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I get it, but you have to know your audience a little. Here, it's a bunch of developers and enthusiasts who freely give their time, skills, and work. While your question was about labels and versioning, the way that it is written, some may take it as "Why isn't your contribution further along and/or more stable than it is? Hell, it's been a year! How do you account for this?"
That BS isn't right when it's coming from someone who is paying you thousands for your work.
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Fingerprint sensor and laser auto focus , can you please add those?
Yes thats only stopping me from flashing roms
I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I ask this with respect, but are you even the original developer of this ROM? Or the other 3 ROMs that you've posted here? It feels like you might have just copied and pasted OPs, and then provided people with an untested version you just compiled and uploaded.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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I'm not the 'original' developer of this ROM.I build ROMs and release them on XDA after the testers test it and report to me.So technically there's no way that my ROMs won't boot.You can look at my other ROMs that I've posted in XDA and take the feedback from the users that are using it.
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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Is there a reason why your "testers" are consistently missing the fact that things like the fingerprint sensor aren't working, and that you don't seem to have a "Known Issues" list on any of the four ROM threads that you created within 2 hours?
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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The bugs are same as that of CM12.1 by Grarak.There's no stable device trees other than Grarak's,now you're insisiting so much,I'll put them in the OP.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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I'm not "insisting so much". There is a standard of development that most of XDA's developers abide by. If you're really going to simultaneously maintain 4 different ROMs at once, the least you can do is give your users a bit more information than that which you blindly copy from another thread's OP, especially if you have no intention of running any of them yourself (I assume you at least have the device itself, but now, I'm not so sure)
I looked through your started threads, it seems you have a habit of compiling a bunch of different ROMs and putting them up with little to no testing whatsoever. I'm not sure if you thought no one would notice that the only 4 ROM threads in this section are all from you and they were all posted within an hour or two.
Good luck with your "development". I don't think I need to add anything else to this thread.
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Nevermind,I updated the first post with the bug list so the users can take a look at the bugs in the original CM12.1 thread.
I agree to what @LiquidSolstice said.It's not a big deal to build a bunch of ROMs and post them over the development forum.Maintaining them are difficult. It would've been much better if you maintain a single ROM and work with it.Now you have like 3-4 WIP ROMs without proper testing and it seems like you doesn't own the device
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Sorry if I'm being a douchebag
I maintain all of my ROMs thoroughly.I still say,maintaining is NOT an issue for me.I give out the ROMs to the testers,they test the ROM and report me back with their issues/bugs (if any).I've been building ROMs since 5 months and I like sharing my work with all the people.Yeah,sure thing,anyone can take a look at the ROM building guides out there and make builds and post here,just like me.I've been working on other development projects too (other than building ROMs) but they're not ready yet.You see,interacting with other developers and tech people increases your morale and confidence to do pull yourself deep into the core of the stuff you're working on.For some other guys,I'm just a douchebag who got a good PC with some decent specs and builds all day.Yeah,hell yeah I'm a noob with little development skills,but I'm learning stuff day by day,incorporating and applying that knowledge into my development.I try to maintain all my projects so the users don't get disappointed.I don't have enough money to buy a server so I got a decent PC and start building on it.My only motive is to spread my projects all across the XDA,sharing stuff with people makes me happy.It's just a start,I'm reaching out to the most valuable and efficient developers here in XDA so that I can gain more knowledge.Ofcourse,I am not the greatest dev here but I want to become like one of them.Even though I might be the sh*ttiest maintainer in this whole XDA,but I try to maintain all of my ROMs so that the users don't get disappointed.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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I respect your opinion but I'd still consider it my way,expanding my base and providing more support of ROMs to the community.I just wanna make sure that nobody makes a buzz about me maintaining multiple ROMs while I build on my little machine.
@aniket.lamba In other forums,users may ask you to build multiple ROMs and maintain them.But IMO the best way to be a good dev is to properly maintain one good ROM for the community,giving regular updates and interacting with the users.As you know the OPT dev forum will be as popular as the OPO or Nexus ones,the best way to satisfy users is to concentrate on one good ROM and provide your valuable support for it.This is my personal opinion!
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Sooo.. hold on... OP is a copycat and the HW features of the phone are not working ?
Thanks for being supportive to everyone who used my ROMs.Appreciate it!
Thread closed per OP request.
It's really absurd to see people happy with the arrive of GSI roms that doesn't feature Moto mod support. I've tried some roms and the obvious result is that non of it let you use any mod so, ¿Is there any chance that developers build a ron or a module that let Moto mods work in GSI?
I agree, it's very annoying, there is even a super detailed guide on how to implement it on XDA somewhere. It has been accomplished already for all main mods, including JBL. (Maybe version 2)?
I tried bringing this guide to the attention of devs and got in **** for posting it in the development section so devs could see it lol
At least the battery mod will still charge the phone in recovery mode our little secret lol.
Well, at least we have Pie ROMs. And I don't know how compatible the Mods framework is with GSI. @MusicAlleyInc and you where already told that most devs wont do that since that can break too much stuff on the way and none are willing to go through the hassels just to satisfy a hand full of people actually using modules
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Well, at least we have Pie ROMs. And I don't know how compatible the Mods framework is with GSI. @MusicAlleyInc and you where already told that most devs wont do that since that can break too much stuff on the way and none are willing to go through the hassels just to satisfy a hand full of people actually using modules
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Many people use Turbopower, and JBL.
Those are referenced over and over.
Most times, Turbopower works but efficiency mode does not.
JBL often works without volume control.
These Roms are all using the same basic foundation.
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Well, at least we have Pie ROMs. And I don't know how compatible the Mods framework is with GSI. @MusicAlleyInc and you where already told that most devs wont do that since that can break too much stuff on the way and none are willing to go through the hassels just to satisfy a hand full of people actually using modules
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As I said: there is a tutorial which describes how to do this PROPERLY, without breaking anything, maybe a few things in the mods not working yet, but not breaking other things.
> https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72601804&postcount=2 <
It has been done, can be done, and obviously can be done if Motorola can do it in the first place.
And as noted, many people do use mods. That is why any intelligent person would have bought this phone. It's not to satisfy a handful of people, it's to have our phones work as they are meant to work.
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As I said: there is a tutorial which I posted in this very forum which describes how to do this PROPERLY, without breaking anything.
It has been done, can be done, and obviously can be done if Motorola can do it in the first place.
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Well, there is quite a big difference between being Motorola, getting paid for it and having access to all necessary source code and being a dev doing that in your free time a having only limited access to necessary source codes
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Well, there is quite a big difference between being Motorola, getting paid for it and having access to all necessary source code and being a dev doing that in your free time a having only limited access to necessary source codes
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There is also a difference between competence and incompetence. The main mods used >already< work without issues except for the JBL mod, which is only an issue because of some proprietary code or driver or something.
But who the hell cares, that is what Bluetooth speakers are for.
All most people really care about is the battery mod and projector. Exclusive features like that without any simple/efficient alternatives.
These mods have worked stable in many custom ROMS when a little extra effort was made to make something competent. The only reason they are not working in Pie ROMS is because GSI's are universal and don't have them implemented in their base as they have been in past custom ROMS which were made FOR THIS PHONE...
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There is also a difference between competence and incompetence.
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While you call every ROM developer incompetent, when you know oh so much about that and how it had to be done, why haven't you just made your own ROM supporting every Moto mod?
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The only reason they are not working in Pie ROMS is because GSI's are universal and don't have them implemented as they have been in past custom ROMS...
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...And what was this thread about?
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MusicAlleyInc said:
There is also a difference between competence and incompetence. [\quote]
While you call every ROM developer incompetent, when you know oh so much about that and how it had to be done, why haven't you just made your own ROM supporting every Moto mod?
...And what was this thread about?
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What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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You complain most ROMs do not (fully) support mods, that means in your words those ROM developers are all incompetent
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What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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Neither did I claim to know so much, I simply shared what I found.. an observation, do you gather?
It's not cool twisting peoples words to try to make them look bad.
Why would I build a ROM that supports most mods: when it has been done, that makes no sense...
Neither does the attitude I have received while trying to relay this information to devs for the benefit of the entire Moto Z2 play community.
I am not a DEV, perhaps that is another reason why I don't build my own ROM.
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MusicAlleyInc said:
You complain most ROMs do not (fully) support mods, that means in your words those ROM developers are all incompetent
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By the very definition of competence, building something that doesn't fully work is technically incompetence IN REGARDS TO THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
Especially when it has been already achieved to some degree. I am not complaining, nor did i say "fully" either. I am highlighting this fact and this fact only, do you have an issue with facts, or just a problem with pretense?
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I am not a DEV, perhaps that is another reason why I don't build my own.
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Then, just maybe, you should leave those topics to people who actually are instead of whining in several threads about devs deciding not to support it. You simply have no right to complain.
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Then, just maybe, you should leave those topics to people who actually are instead of whining in several threads about devs deciding not to support it. You simply have no right to complain.
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Maybe you need to understand the concept of progress and a constructive attitude.
Calling it whining is literally just making things personal, and totally unnecessary.
You insist on trying to dictate my intention as negative, your problem, not mine.
The thing is that GSI roms are generic, I know. But I have not seen any developments in Android P working around the mod support, ¿There's no possible way to build a module that let the users use turbo power mod in GSI? We have a great phone with a great power mod and we can't use it. For me is absurd to use GSI if I cannot get the most out of it
"Then, just maybe, you should leave those topics to people who actually ARE implementing this the same way the guy in the link I posted did....?"
But yet everyone is so fast to tell me nobody is and that nobody IS or has much interested in replicating his work, hmmm.
MusicAlleyInc said:
Maybe you need to understand the concept of progress and a constructive attitude.
Calling it whining is literally just making things personal, and totally unnecessary.
You insist on trying to dictate my intention as negative, your problem, not mine.
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Then just read the thread you opened on that topic. That's basically the definition of whining. And you are surprised that it wasn't taken very well when you don't stick to the forum rules about what belongs in which section and write it with such an attitude basically telling anyone that reads it that you think most ROM devs are just lazy and don't care about their users interests
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The thing is that GSI roms are generic, I know. But I have not seen any developments in Android P working around the mod support, ¿There's no possible way to build a module that let the users use turbo power mod in GSI? We have a great phone with a great power mod and we can't use it. For me is absurd to use GSI if I cannot get the most out of it
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Be happy that at least you can get something out of it for now using recovery mode.
I say just be patient, Stock Pie shouldn't be that far off. And if you want CUSTOM PIE and mod support, well chances look good that it can be done when dev's have access to stock pie firmware?
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Then just read the thread you opened on that topic. That's basically the definition of whining. And you are surprised that it wasn't taken very well when you don't stick to the forum rules about what belongs in which section and write it with such an attitude basically telling anyone that reads it that you think most ROM devs are just lazy and don't care about their users interests
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Dude, please cease and desist and stop twisting things out of context. You are pretentiously whining about me sharing important information and expecting ROMS made for this phone to make use of something that allows mods to work for this phone. Give it a rest.
And that post was totally soiled by someone with an attitude similar to your own, the reason I broke forum rules was for citing blatent ignorance as ignorance. Yeah, ask me how bad I feel about that.
MusicAlleyInc said:
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What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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That very developer removed mods support to improve the stability and performance of the Rom. And don't try to teach the developers how to create a ROM , we have only one left.
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MusicAlleyInc said:
That very developer removed mods support to improve the stability and performance of the Rom. And don't try to teach the developers how to create a ROM , we have only one left.
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So the same guy who claims he got these mods working stable and was promoting other people used what he learned, removes his work from his ROM because it makes it perform worse?
How does it impact performance? I have run at least 3 or 4 ROM with projector and turbo pack support that were absolutely fine and stable.
Also: it's fairly obvious this dude was the one trying to teach developers how to integrate mod support into their ROM, not me.
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A post of his from that thread:
"Rom discontinued
hey guys thanks for using this rom
sorry if i couldn't bring up ALL mods without bug (key word being ALL)
but i can't keep this rom updated anymore
so unfortunately i have to say Rom discontinued
this is mod apps update flashable zip to make new mods work https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=889964283620776495
all sources is online and ready for interested dev continue developing it"
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Sorry, but can you produce evidence of your claim?
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guys ! would you please stop bickering?
the OP of this thread wanted some insight about his problem and you use it to flame each-other ... this is not cool, huh?
I urge you to stop here, help the guy if possible and to keep it civil, I have trust in your cooperation, please don`t disappoint me...
thank you!
Hi,
I am wondering if there is a common way on this forum to express support for the development of a specific custom ROM for a phone? Is there a commonly accepted way to do this? (Came here to see if I could +1 a LineageOs thread for the Zenfone 9)
Rik
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haha is this a +1 of my wish to be able to give a +1 ?
Hey mate,
I was thinking to contact developers and pay them to build lineage OS and make it official!
Or the other alternative is Learn how to build it and submit it for review on LOS website..
If you have any suggestions?
cool, no idea how to go about that, but I would be happy to contribute as well. I'm sure others would be too - I am on a forum where there are multiple threads dedicated to finding a good small deGoogled phone (community.e.foundation). There must be a place where people can put up amounts for a development like this, right? Sort of like a Kickstarter for a bit of development? I will ask on the other forum too
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cool, no idea how to go about that, but I would be happy to contribute as well. I'm sure others would be too - I am on a forum where there are multiple threads dedicated to finding a good small deGoogled phone (community.e.foundation). There must be a place where people can put up amounts for a development like this, right? Sort of like a Kickstarter for a bit of development? I will ask on the other forum too
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The problem with LineageOS is that when there is no more maintainer for a specific model the phone just goes to rubbish, no more security patch... same for the other custom rom... eOS depends on LOS repositories and even if lineage stop supporting a specific device eOS will keep updating their all supported devices... That's why I really like eOS. It doesn't matter if some features are unavailable... a phone is supposed to be used for call, text. Nowadays, everything seems to be sophisticated however it doesn't need to be... I'll start asking some recognised developers if they are willing to work on a LOS build for the zf9 for some money participation... maybe start a crowdfunding of an alternative without fraud!!
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Hi bro,
Sorry got no time at the moment I ended up using a one plus 6 with eOS... I haven't started anything yet. I might need some help to organise something about crowdfunding..
Good luck and let us know if you have some ideas. Thank's