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SO, I have a Samsung Focus and I have a HTC Titan (both AT&T Branded). I also have a AT&T 3g Microcell.
BTW, Has anyone seen an AT&T Titan show 3G at all or anything other than 4G?
Anyways... Here is where the AT&T Titan lies about 4G service.... the 3G Microcell only support a maximum of UMTS. It does not support HSDPA, HSUPA, HSPA, HSPA+, or LTE. Only HSPA+ & LTE are official 4G technologies as classified by the ITU.
On my girlfriends and my phone (when attached to the microcell) it shows 4G (we both have Titans). And Yes, I am positive we are on the microcell since both our phones list AT&T Microcell as the carrier.
I think AT&T is starting to pull one over on people with the Titan. Wish I had a Focus S to verify what it says too....
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
My HTC Titan has shown E for the Edge network as it has also displayed 4G for HSPA + as well.
link68759 said:
It has been reported that ATT is branding some H devices as 4G, not even H+... but the Titan is indeed H+. I haven't been very far with my Titan yet, so I wouldn't know if it ever shows 3G.
I may be a bit confused with the network types; to my understanding there is
GSM
Edge
3G
H
H+ (aka '4G')
4G LTE
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I know the Titan does have the HSPA+ capability, that was not my gripe. My grip is that AT&T is listing a true 3G network as 4G which is a bold faced lie altogether and causes us to question if we truely are on 4G or not. Not the fact the device support it or not.
SO, all these throttling threads and stuff about 4G can not use the Titan as a testing source as the tester can not trust if they truely are on 4G or not. Thus skewing true testing results and perceived capabilities.
I live in Las Vegas and AT&T has had HSPA+ for a while and recently LTE. The issue I have, is I can't tell which network I am on wether it be 3G, HSPA+ or LTE since the Titan always will show 4G for all of them.
As added info for you about network types, your 3G disgnation is the same as the network types that I listed. 3G Network types include (In order of evolution):
UMTS - True Desgination for 3G
HSDPA - 3.x
HSUPA - 3.x
HSPA - 3.x
The 3.x is where I am not sure about the history of their release but I know one of them was refered to 3.5g before the true 4g designation came out for HSPA+ & LTE.
I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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AT&T GoPhone Service here with X310e from Europe, it stay on H all the time, displayed as "3G" sometime.
maybe the way they display the icon on the Europe Phone is different.
Anyone confirm as H is HSPDA+?
BTW, i don't download torrent on my phone either.
Its not exactly a lie. Yes, 4G is now the old 3G. When the other carriers started calling their service 4G, it made AT&Ts service look slower (when reality is that ATT 3G was the fastest).
4G was supposed to be LTE, but the marketing departments screwed that one by trying to one-up each other.
So, the answer is that where you saw 3G previously, you will now see 4G.
I have two microcells and they both show 4G on my Titan as well.
Blame the marketing departments (at all the carriers) for using the 4G moniker where it did not belong.
LTE will hopefully be LTE.
I've seen E, H & 4G on my at&t Titan
You see H? That's a good sign, at least; we can differentiate from E, H and H+. My town is fairly rural and is also a historical district, so I find it extremely suspect that there is 4G wherever I've gone, but I guess we've somehow become modern.
I have also never seen "H", only E and 4G, but I've only been in 3 small towns since I've had my Titan. My "4G" speeds are very 3G-like too... (between 1-2Mbps down and .75Mbps up)
Is there any way to see more detailed radio information in the OS? I dont really trust the indicator at the top of the screen.
As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
That's even beyond the point. Didn't ATT say HSPA+ users should see actual speeds of around 6Mbps? Many aren't even getting the upper range of "3G" speeds.
I just got off the phone with ATT CS and he did tell me I am NOT in a 4G area, even though my phone is saying so. He told me the nearest 4G area was about 20 minutes south, which is exactly what their data map shows. From that I take that ATT is just calling their 3G network 4G, at least on this phone.
StevieBallz said:
As someone quoted the ITU designations. In their final decission it was declared that only technologies being theoretically able to reach speeds of up to 100 Mbps are actually 4G.
This means that WiMax, LTE and HSPA+ don't qualify as 4G. Currently LTE Advanced and WiMax 2 would be the only ones.
The idea of calling HSPA+ 4G as far as I know originates from T-Mobile USA as they are not about to deploy LTE/Wimax anytime soon.
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That is false, the ITU adjusted this decision and enveloped HSPA+, Wimax and LTE into the 4G fold.
"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,' although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed,"
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
In relation to this post, I have used my Interop Unlocked Focus all around this area and home. On my Focus I enabled the ability for it to show 3G+ areas and I was able to map out areas that were E, G, 3G and 3G+
However, when I trek those same areas with my Titan, I see a somewhat magical "4G" over all 3G and 3G+ areas.
Whether these areas were all H+ capable the whole time is unsure, but somehow I tend to doubt it.
As of yet, I have never seen 3G but I have seen E and G on my Titan.
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I don't think the titan has lte support, so you're definitely not on that.
The best way to go about this I guess is finding the diagnostic menu: where you dial some number and it gives you hidden info and options.
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I just tried that on my Titan by dialing ##3282#, and all the diagnostics are for 3G, HSDPA, no item for HSPDA+, still on screen my phone shows 4G.
arg... is there any way to infiltrate ATT's customer support and actually talk to an engineer, no tricks or PR crap?
I just thought that I'd chime in and say that my HTC Titan shows "3G" when I am at my place of work in Franklin Lakes, NJ.... so it must say 3G for some networks at least.
Do you have an unlocked international phone or an ATT phone?
Is there a Registry Editor for the Titan yet? If so, I wonder if you can change the 4G to what you want it to be like you can on the Samsung Focus? On the Focus, you have the option to change each individual network to show whatever you want it to show.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity \CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
6G Speeds on Samsung Focus
Using ATT's methods, I've modified my Samsung Focus to receive 6G Speeds. Yes, this is the SAME method ATT uses to get 4G speeds...
They just edit the Registry like I did.
Got my AT&T Galaxy Note a few days back and I live in Mission Viejo, CA. I have noticed that most of the time it just displays the 4G icon and other times it has a small LTE under the 4G icon. So... is there such a thing as 4G and 4G LTE?
New to the whole 4G phones... as I came from an iPhone.
When it says 4g your are on on At&ts hspa+ network. If it say 4g and has under it Lte you're in a Lte area.
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Yes, LTE is LTE, otherwise it's HSPA+ (also considered "4G"). When mine shows LTE (which is only when I assume the Fox viewing position) I drop by a couple of bars. Sounds like you are either in a fringe area like me, or you're in a building that is causing LTE signal degradation.
What's a Bieber?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS9sUm5Y0sg
In addition, if you go Settings > About Phone > Status > "Mobile Network Type" you can also tell what network you are on.
Think I got it. So HSPA is 3G, HSPA+ is 4G and LTE is a better 4G?
technically hspa is 3g hspa+ is 3.5g lte is 4g.
HSPA+ is pseudo 4g- it's really 3.5G with some backend modifications by att(something called enhanced backhaul) to enhance 3G for faster speeds. LTE is tru 4G.
Here is a link to explain the differences in 3G,4G,and LTE.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB115951&cv=820#fbid=U9S_RXqCY_R
Is there HSPA+ throughout all of AT&T's network then, just not LTE yet?
Then I am guessing my iPhone 4 was only HSPA (3G) only and not capable of getting HSPA+?
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In addition, if you go Settings > About Phone > Status > "Mobile Network Type" you can also tell what network you are on.
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Hell mine keeps alternating between UMTS and HSPA, no + after it either.
No wonder I get choppy pixelated HD videos on youtube.
Hi everyone, just had a quick question about LTE and cm9. Currently my phone displays an H, but if I was in an LTE area, would it say LTE or something else? Also will the default apn settings for cm9 enable LTE when I am in that area? Thanks!
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In my experience, it will display the 4G icon in LTE areas, and the H for HSPA+ area's.
Right, In aosp the signal indicates exactly what it should, not those bs lies the carriers spit out, confusing people...
They have been selling HSPA as 4g for years, when it's not a new technology, it's just 3g better implemented, so it's like 3.5g.
Lte is the true new tech, so it's actually 4g, which is what aosp says.
E= edge 2g
3g= self explanatory
H=HSPA (what has been sold as 4g)
4g=LTE (actual 4g)
Hey Everyone,
I picked up the Dev version of the Lumia 920 and have been using it for a couple days. Everything has been great except the phone doesn't seem to hit LTE. It stays on 4G. The area I'm in does have LTE and when I put my sim card back into my 900, LTE works fine.
I've spent some time on the phone with Rogers and attempted to reset settings on their side and have even registered the device IMEI with them to no avail.
Does anybody know what I can do to get this to work? I'm fine keeping the phone on 4G but would love to see it on LTE eventually.
Thanks in advance!!
Go into cellular settings and make sure your highest connection speed is set to LTE and not 3G. Also make sure you have your APN set correctly. Without the right APN you won't get any evidence of LTE on the device. Once you set it correctly LTE should magically start working.
I have tried manually inputting the APN for Rogers LTE and that did not work. My sim also has settings programmed which show up and can be selected. The first is Rogers 3G which doesn't work at all and the second is Rogers LTE which makes everything work but only gets me a 4G connection.
The highest connection speed is set to 4G as it doesn't have an LTE option which is similar to how it was on my 900. Upon picking 4G, it should just hit LTE but it doesn't. I've taken the sim out and put it into the 900 and confirmed that LTE does work but when I put the sim back into my 920, I only get 4G.
4G is LTE ...
That's what I initially thought but the phone indicator should actually say LTE instead of 4G. I've checked this on my lumia 900 as well as on other 920's seen around the net.
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That's what I initially thought but the phone indicator should actually say LTE instead of 4G. I've checked this on my lumia 900 as well as on other 920's seen around the net.
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hmm never seen that .. got any screenshots of photo's of a 920 showing this? That would mean I have not been on LTE even once !
For the current signal the Rogers variant shows
3G
4G -- refers to HSDPA etc
LTE -- refers to LTE
I know this because I experienced LTE on AT&T with a Rogers 920. But it didn't start working until I had the right APN.
The options in Cellular Settings for highest speed are 2G, 3G, LTE. Make sure it's set to LTE.
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For the current signal the Rogers variant shows
3G
4G -- refers to HSDPA etc
LTE -- refers to LTE
I know this because I experienced LTE on AT&T with a Rogers 920. But it didn't start working until I had the right APN.
The options in Cellular Settings for highest speed are 2G, 3G, LTE. Make sure it's set to LTE.
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I don't even have LTE as an option in here .. 2G, 3G, 4G.
malik2k1 said:
Hey Everyone,
I picked up the Dev version of the Lumia 920 and have been using it for a couple days. Everything has been great except the phone doesn't seem to hit LTE. It stays on 4G. The area I'm in does have LTE and when I put my sim card back into my 900, LTE works fine.
I've spent some time on the phone with Rogers and attempted to reset settings on their side and have even registered the device IMEI with them to no avail.
Does anybody know what I can do to get this to work? I'm fine keeping the phone on 4G but would love to see it on LTE eventually.
Thanks in advance!!
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on the dev version of the phone (from MS build, which I also have), 4G is LTE. If you are on 3g you will get an H indicator. It won't say LTE.
Trust me, if it says 4G, it is on LTE. I've done some speed tests, and a few other tests, it really is LTE.
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on the dev version of the phone (from MS build, which I also have), 4G is LTE. If you are on 3g you will get an H indicator. It won't say LTE.
Trust me, if it says 4G, it is on LTE. I've done some speed tests, and a few other tests, it really is LTE.
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thanks! I'll take your word for it. I found it weird that it never said LTE but speeds have been fairly good!
Are you sure '4G' is LTE on the dev version? Speeds alone won't necessarily tell you.
On the Rogers variant, I'm seeing something like this:
'3G' --> non-HSDPA UMTS
'4G' --> HSDPA, HSPA+
'LTE' --> LTE
It's possible for the MO to customize some of these strings and they do it for marketing reasons. On the MS variant I'd expect the indicators to be a default set that are closely tied to the actual technology without any of the marketing-speak, something like
3G -- non-HSDPA 3G
H -- HSDPA
H+ -- HSPA+
LTE -- LTE
I could be wrong.
Where did you guys pick your Dev versions up?
'I guess the real question is, has ANYONE ever seen LTE pop up on the Lumia 920 ?
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'I guess the real question is, has ANYONE ever seen LTE pop up on the Lumia 920 ?
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Did you see my post (3 up from this one)?
pencilcase said:
'I guess the real question is, has ANYONE ever seen LTE pop up on the Lumia 920 ?
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Yes, quite frequently.
pencilcase said:
'I guess the real question is, has ANYONE ever seen LTE pop up on the Lumia 920 ?
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I'm using an Unlocked Rogers Lumia 920 on the Telus network in Calgary. At first I assumed seeing 4G on the screen meant I was connected via LTE (the speeds were reasonably fast). However it turns out I just don't have LTE coverage in my house.
I was visiting a friend one day and noticed LTE had popped up, did a speed test and it was significantly faster.
Here are a few speed tests I've done around Calgary using the Free Speed Test app (all numbers in mbps):
my house, 4G: 7 down, 2.75 up (not sure which location I tested against)
friends house, LTE: 12.21 down, 0.88 up (tested against Idaho)
friends house, LTE: 16.56 down, 1.77 up (same physical location as previous test, tested against Seattle)
at work, LTE: 15.16 down, 5.67 up (tested against Seattle)
Next time I'm downtown I'll do more testing there. I would assume the coverage is better as you get closer to city center.
hi,
with AT&T's m8, how does the data connection signal symbol look like?
i mean, for 3G, do you see an H? for lte, do you see LTE or 4G?
thanks
HSPA will show 4G.
LTE will show 4G LTE (same icon as the one above, just with a little "LTE" below it.
This is due to AT&T's idiotic branding/marketing of backhauled HSPA as "4G". I know the ITU later broadened the definition of 4G to include this. But I suspect this was only after pressure from US carriers.
Wonder what it will show when 5.0 is released. Read an article on the upgrades of LTE. Strange thing is there care literally thousands of 3g towers left in the US..That's why I like Europe's standards for mobile data
Itll show same icons with an added VoLTE icon when in the areas that support it id imagine.
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Wonder what it will show when 5.0 is released. Read an article on the upgrades of LTE. Strange thing is there care literally thousands of 3g towers left in the US..That's why I like Europe's standards for mobile data
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