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What do you think between the Xoom and the Flyer?
One thing that is actually putting me off the Flyer is the 7" instead of 10"
I am thinking I want a wifi only one for home use - but for home use only I'd want something a little bigger than an oversized phone... any thoughts?
http://www.digitalversus.com/four-tablets-compared-ipad-galaxy-tab-10-1-flyer-xoom-news-18059.html
Since you'll be using it primarily at home, and you didn't mention the need for stylus input, I'd say the XOOM is probably a better choice for you.
Personally, however, I'd get the Flyer for its portability and inking capability.
I don't really have a need for a stylus - I think it's a brilliant addition - and if I had kids (also ones that could be trusted on a tablet ) I think it would be good so they could draw pics and stuff without any mess
Is there any mention of a keyboard add-on for the Flyer (wireless) I think I saw one for Xoom which'd be more of an interest for me as I'd be thinking of replacing my primary laptop with a tablet for most day-to-day stuff if it works well
Of course ultimately it all depends on the price of a wifi-only edition!
I think you summed up the screen size issue pretty well:
- 10" is home use. I have an iPad and it works really well for that. It is really something you can use all around the house with ease and enable you to check the internet in a nice chair, on the coach, etc. But I would not take the iPad in public transport - on a plane yes - and it is not a laptop replacement as some tend to pretend it is - maybe in 3-4 years when it'll be powerful enough and the resolution decent (but then again a mouse OS is much better for working)...
- 7" is for on the go. You can slide the 7" in a pocket, it's lighter, easier to hold in one hand and is a much better size to do things than a smartphone. It's perfect to watch a video, surf the web without having to pinch and zoom all the time, read a book, etc.
I have an iPad, so I don't need the Xoom; I'm more interested by the Flyer because I can take it around with me.
I like the stylus idea if it works. I've seen many videos, but all they show is someone scribbling large ribbons of colour on screen. If you can't write with the stylus; take notes, do some sketches, it is a useless addition. I can't see a lot of potential for a stylus though, especially for 10"; someone sends you a document, you're in a cab, you scribble some notes for feedback and you send it back. Way better than trying to do that over the phone...
Last thing for me is Honeycomb. The Flyer has to be upgraded to Honeycomb - thanks for XDA - as it is very likely that none of the apps produced for Honeycomb will be tablet specific: it would be a shame to have a tablet and not be able to access specific apps developped for that format...
10 inch is great for home use but a pain for everything else. I bought a Galaxy tab to take with me when I leave the house and my ipad stays at home. I got really tired of carrying around the ipad.
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I thought HTC already said that the Flyer will get an official update to Honeycomb at some point?
The XOOm is you want primary home use. The specs are also far superior, dual core etc. But if i were you, i'd choose Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 over the XOOM. some reviews havemt said the XOOm isnt amzing... Also motorola have a bad phone reputation.
If by specs you mean CPU then yes however the Xoom is kinda like a truck with a highly tuned formula one engine. Plenty of power but its all lost in the drivetrain.
In other words, processing power is useless if you have nothing to take advantage of it. I have kicked around with various kernels and hacks on many devices and got some amazing Quadrant benchmark results but in the end, its just for self satisfaction. In normal use it makes little difference.
IMO some of the killer features of the Flyer are:
- Pocketable size
- Guaranteed dev community support
- Timescribe (especially the "pickup where you left off" calendar feature for recurring appointments
- Its a HTC
Lets face it. HTC are still terrible at marketing. The things that make senseUI and their devices great are all of the little things which make using them a great overall experience. You'll never get buyers remorse buying HTC because you always get more than was advertised.
How can you even compare the Xoom and Flyer? To me you might as well be comparing a pda and an XPS laptop. I think they are 2 different classes of device. Pprtability vs multimedia/home use.
I refuse to choose. The way i see it, i would normally spend $1200 on Descent laptop. Why not buy a Flyer and Xoom (or Asus Transformer) for about $1400?
Basically. ... I want BOTH!!!!!
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I like the stylus idea if it works.
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Right! I'd like to know if you can write while you have your hand resting on the screen. That goes for the XOOM, too. I want something close to "natural", and when I write, I have my hand and all sorts of fingers dragging around on the sheet.
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Right! I'd like to know if you can write while you have your hand resting on the screen. That goes for the XOOM, too. I want something close to "natural", and when I write, I have my hand and all sorts of fingers dragging around on the sheet.
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It does have the ability to detect your hand vs the stylus. From what has been published so far,it looks like it works extremely well. Will have to wait till I get my hands on one ( ) to see if it is really as good as it looks.
I have a chance to choose as a gift between mediapad lumia 710 and wildfire s.
I don't want to go for the nokia, it's with wp7.5, and i already have an original wildfire for just about 1,5 years and has connection issues. Should I go for media pad? Is it worth?
I don't know this brand at all, is it trustworthy?
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I have a chance to choose as a gift between mediapad lumia 710 and wildfire s.
I don't want to go for the nokia, it's with wp7.5, and i already have an original wildfire for just about 1,5 years and has connection issues. Should I go for media pad? Is it worth?
I don't know this brand at all, is it trustworthy?
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If you want to use it yourself then just go for it. If you want to sell it, depending on the country, probably Lumia or HTC are the better choices.
As for the credibility of Huawei, just Google it
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You are comparing a 7" tablet with a 3.2" or 3.7" phone. You can find a spec comparison of the Mediapad and the Wildfire S here: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4264&idPhone2=3777 You can also use the page for comparing the Lumina.
Besides their difference in size, there are also other significant differences, e.g. the Mediapad is more than three times the weight of the Wildfire S).
However: I just unpacked my Mediapad and it is an very nice device. Its built is solid and I like its feel (I had a SGT for a short time before. Didn't like it).
If you look for a tablet that size, go for the Mediapad. It offers a good value for the price (around 300€ in .de). If you look for a phone, probably the Wildfire or Lumina is the better choice.
Using the Medaipad as phone might also look a bit funny if you do not use a headset (maybe like this: http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/tablet-as-phone.jpeg?w=210&h=300)
As for the company, Huawei is a Chinese manufacturer, which is active in Europe mainly by providing infrastructure components for communication/GSM networks. They started to bring customer end-products to the European market some time ago and are set to drastically increase their market share.
From a consumer standpoint, I think they can be trusted the same way as aKorean or Taiwanese phone manufacturer. But maybe check for customer service in your area.
Cheers,
CS
Thank you very much for your replies. The fact is that I don't want a WP phone, as I am used to the android structure and interface, and also the openings that the android allows as an open-source os. I have never used a smartphone with an OS different than Android, and if wp are just like normal windows then it is for sure a no-go. And about Wildfire S... I don't know... I am using the original one right now, and from day first I wanted more performance, and this is one thing that wf's don't do. Also I have connectivity issues (signal and wifi) whatever rom or radio I used. And it is only 18 months old phone.
Amd yes I am going to use it as a phone too, to make calls and send sms's. One of my biggest concern is about moving with it around... Is it comfortable? (note, that I hadn't owned any other tablet in the past). Do you use/need a bag like a netbook/notebook?
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Amd yes I am going to use it as a phone too, to make calls and send sms's. One of my biggest concern is about moving with it around... Is it comfortable? (note, that I hadn't owned any other tablet in the past). Do you use/need a bag like a netbook/notebook?
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Ok. I'm in the U.S. and the Springboard (which is essentially the Mediapad) is not used as a phone (by T-Mobile)... mind you once rooted it could be used as such (sort of. you need only to read the questions of folks trying to get their rooted Springboard to work as a phone). I don't know that I would want to use a tablet like a phone. For starters while it is not as large as a 10 inch tablet, it still would be awkward holding it up to your face to talk. I just recently saw a Samsung Galaxy Note. It's a 5 inch tablet that works as a phone but even that looked weird size-wise holding it to your face. You would probably not look as weird if you paired the tablet with a bluetooth headset and use it as a phone that way.
This tablet is 7 inches and you could put it in a case that would make people think you are carrying around an ebook reader. Since it's 7 inches you wouldn't necessarily need to cart it around in a netbook case unless you wanted to. It fits nicely in other things although I would probably put it in a protective sleeve if I were going to put it in a messenger bag or purse.
Windows Phone isn't like your regular windows. It's a true phone ui unlike the old Windows Mobile which felt like a small desktop ui. Just go to YouTube and see it yourself.
Of course nothing beats the openness of Android, but in media pad case, you basically only got root instead of a full custom rom since Huawei haven't release the source code. Root only is good enough for me, since I mainly use root access for backup. Other people might be disappointed because they're expecting custom rom.
As for using it as a phone, I don't think the size is friendly enough for this tablet to be used as your main phone. Maybe as a secondary phone, definitely not as your primary phone. It doesn't have a phone speaker, thus you use it like you use speakerphone. of course earphone (and blue tooth? never tried it) is an option.
Portability wise, for me it's a bit too big to be carried comfortably inside a pocket (it does fit nicely into the back pocket, but I really don't want to sit while it is in my back pocket). I usually use a small bag to carry it around.
Of course I am not going to stick a 7" tablet in my face to speak and of course I will use a hands-free set (I am used to it, since my wildfire voice speaker is crap and I don't hear sh*t if I am outside).
With mediapad, fact is that it offers the performance of a high end phone in a much much lower price, and since I can choose it as a gift, I consider it very seriously...
But the big question is, will it last for let's say 2-3 years? I mean I don't want to get full of problems with it after 1,5 year making it nearly unusable like my wf is now.
An other question... Is it possible in HC to use it as phone? I know that it hasn't any dialer in it, but is it possible to speak using a dialer like ExDialer or TouchPal?
I heard you can downlad phone.apk and install..
just like that?
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Yes. Or you can install ICS rom which has built in dialer.
Hi guys, I'm new to the (modern) tablet scene. I tried to get into tablets when I started college back in 2007 with the Fujitsu T4215 and absolutely loved handwriting and the idea of tablets back then, but unfortunately the hardware at the time proved a bit too heavy (literally) and clunky for me (e.g. low battery life, and other hardware issues I had with my laptop). I rediscovered pen and paper for some time and found I work way more effectively writing, however, it can be very hard to organize and now I just have stacks and stacks of paper. I'm just starting graduate school, and it it seems like the hardware (e.g. HTC flyer, Samsung Note) and software (e.g. Lecture Notes, Quill, ezPDF) are starting to converge to a point of being usable and affordable, so I'm thinking of giving tablets another shot.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to replace my dying laptop with a serviceable windows 8 tablet-top (I love onenote) after all the kinks of the 1st generation of windows 8 tablets have been worked out, so I've been hesitant to spring for the samsung note (despite the rave reviews) since they would be filling the same niche. This still gives me a year or so of downtime though, leading me to consider the 7 inch HTC flyer.
My dilemma right now is if you guys think the HTC flyer/view is a good investment right now. It seems like there are rumors for a 7 inch samsung note? And the HTC flyer with windows RT. Although the price for those I'm guessing is going to be $350+ and perhaps out of my student budget. But would the HTC flyer hold its value for a year or so? Should I get used or new? What would be a good price to invest in? Or should I wait for a new device? It's so hard to decide with hardware improving so quickly and everything becoming outdated in a just a few months.
My usage is fairly light. I'm coming from a slow Android 2.3 smartphone and ipod touch 2 (whose smoothness still blows my mind even though it's older than my android phone), so I feel no matter what the flyer is still a big upgrade for me. I'm just looking for a good companion to hold all my pdfs, papers (gonna start scanning all my handwritten notes), while allowing for some handy pen annotation. And if I could connect remotely to my desktop for some matlab and or mathematica I'd be ecstatic.
Thanks guys!
EnPaceRequiescat said:
Hi guys, I'm new to the (modern) tablet scene. I tried to get into tablets when I started college back in 2007 with the Fujitsu T4215 and absolutely loved handwriting and the idea of tablets back then, but unfortunately the hardware at the time proved a bit too heavy (literally) and clunky for me (e.g. low battery life, and other hardware issues I had with my laptop). I rediscovered pen and paper for some time and found I work way more effectively writing, however, it can be very hard to organize and now I just have stacks and stacks of paper. I'm just starting graduate school, and it it seems like the hardware (e.g. HTC flyer, Samsung Note) and software (e.g. Lecture Notes, Quill, ezPDF) are starting to converge to a point of being usable and affordable, so I'm thinking of giving tablets another shot.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to replace my dying laptop with a serviceable windows 8 tablet-top (I love onenote) after all the kinks of the 1st generation of windows 8 tablets have been worked out, so I've been hesitant to spring for the samsung note (despite the rave reviews) since they would be filling the same niche. This still gives me a year or so of downtime though, leading me to consider the 7 inch HTC flyer.
My dilemma right now is if you guys think the HTC flyer/view is a good investment right now. It seems like there are rumors for a 7 inch samsung note? And the HTC flyer with windows RT. Although the price for those I'm guessing is going to be $350+ and perhaps out of my student budget. But would the HTC flyer hold its value for a year or so? Should I get used or new? What would be a good price to invest in? Or should I wait for a new device? It's so hard to decide with hardware improving so quickly and everything becoming outdated in a just a few months.
My usage is fairly light. I'm coming from a slow Android 2.3 smartphone and ipod touch 2 (whose smoothness still blows my mind even though it's older than my android phone), so I feel no matter what the flyer is still a big upgrade for me. I'm just looking for a good companion to hold all my pdfs, papers (gonna start scanning all my handwritten notes), while allowing for some handy pen annotation. And if I could connect remotely to my desktop for some matlab and or mathematica I'd be ecstatic.
Thanks guys!
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The Flyer is dead. It's not a bad tablet par se, but cannot compare in price to the Nexus 7. There is very Iittle development going on in the Flyer.
Do yourself a favour and buy a Nexus 7 or 10.
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If you are looking for a current tablet with great writing capabilities I'd recommend the Samsung Note 10.1. If cost is your concern and 10" seems too big I think the flyer with a custom ROM, Like Leedroid HC OR Mawakious, would do you well. I've seen flyers as low as $130 on eBay, the scribe pen is on clearance at sites like buy.com for about $26, although I've seen it as low as $19 on eBay, along with a case, which I've seen some nice ones with a pen holder for $13.
So roughly you could pay as low as, pad in some shipping costs (very rough estimates here), ~$180, maybe less.
Samsung hasn't confirmed a 7" note, yet. I wouldn't base my buying on something that does not yet exist.
I still don't regret getting the flyer.
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gersto said:
If you are looking for a current tablet with great writing capabilities I'd recommend the Samsung Note 10.1. If cost is your concern and 10" seems too big I think the flyer with a custom ROM, Like Leedroid HC OR Mawakious, would do you well. I've seen flyers as low as $130 on eBay, the scribe pen is on clearance at sites like buy.com for about $26, although I've seen it as low as $19 on eBay, along with a case, which I've seen some nice ones with a pen holder for $13.
So roughly you could pay as low as, pad in some shipping costs (very rough estimates here), ~$180, maybe less.
Samsung hasn't confirmed a 7" note, yet. I wouldn't base my buying on something that does not yet exist.
I still don't regret getting the flyer.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using Tapatalk 2
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Samsung has confirmed the 7" note, but not when it will go on sale. I'm sure the price will be $350 + .
If you don;t need a stylus, the Samsung 7.2 tab 2 is a good deal and has current JB ROMs and development for around $149.
I don't regret getting the View a year ago. It is a solid tablet. But I certainly wouldn't recommend buying one now. There are much faster and better supported tablets available today for around the same price. I thought I would use the pen a lot, but I haven't. If I were to get a 7" tablet today, I'd get a Nexus 7, or possibly a Samsung.
If you are on budget, Flyer is a good choice. You can't expect it to have uptodate software or fancy things like window view in galaxy notes but the price/productivity can't be beat. And so far, this is the only mobile size 7inch tablet with stylus in the market. Even if Samsung release a 7 inch note in the future, it will be expensive.
I like my Flyer very much. It is the best personal electronic device that I have ever bought, although sometimes I wish it had SamsungNote software and small stylus. Btw imo, Samsung devices usually do not look good.
Thanks guys for all the comments! From what it seems the hardware definitely is quite out of date, and that the flyer is really only worth it if I make good use of the pen. I guess my media consumption is light (casual youtube, hulu, skype), so hopefully the hardware won't give me issues. For those of you for whom the flyer/view was good for productivity, how do you guys make use of the pen?
@rickwood, what did you originally intend to use the pen for? Was the pen not smooth enough for your intended uses?
Also, how would the flyer/view fare for connecting to a keyboard and remote desktopping/ssh'ing, in case I'm checking on some code on the fly?
Thanks!
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For those of you for whom the flyer/view was good for productivity, how do you guys make use of the pen?
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In my case, I usually use the pen when I take notes in class everyday. I'm using the app LectureNotes, PDFView(for pdf import to LectureNotes) and LectureRecodings(for recording with taking notes).
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HTC Flyer ICS yetki
HTC Desire MIUI ICS
EnPaceRequiescat said:
Thanks guys for all the comments! From what it seems the hardware definitely is quite out of date, and that the flyer is really only worth it if I make good use of the pen. I guess my media consumption is light (casual youtube, hulu, skype), so hopefully the hardware won't give me issues. For those of you for whom the flyer/view was good for productivity, how do you guys make use of the pen?
@rickwood, what did you originally intend to use the pen for? Was the pen not smooth enough for your intended uses?
Also, how would the flyer/view fare for connecting to a keyboard and remote desktopping/ssh'ing, in case I'm checking on some code on the fly?
Thanks!
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The hardware is definitely old but i have used it for numerous task, including media and games. Many "HD" games work great (and no i'm not just talking about Angry Birds, heh)
i've used Skype and Youtube and no issues with HC on those fronts. Never used Hulu Plus and Netflix seems to work fine, slight stutter here and there though.
I've used DicePlayer for playing videos loaded on the tablet and works great with the built-in hardware acceleration up to 720p HD movies.
I've tried using remote desktop, had 2X, and my job uses Citrix, they are "useful" but i think the 7" screen hinders that use more than it helps. It's good for a quick check but productivity-wise may be cumbersome to use. Having a bluetooth keyboard & mouse does help, but the screen real estate is more the issue, at least to me.
The tablet is definitely capable.
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@rickwood, what did you originally intend to use the pen for? Was the pen not smooth enough for your intended uses?
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I thought I'd use the pen for light note taking. On paper, I write really small. On the View, for some reason I had a hard time doing this - - all my text came out really big. Not sure if this was due to the small size of the pen, the resolution of the tablet, or the fact that I was using a compatible Fujitsu pen rather than a true HTC pen. In any case, I wasn't pleased with how my notes were turning out, so I rarely use the pen anymore.
Hope this helps
Its actually a kinda rule in mobile tech field and allied, to not compare gadgets with age difference more than an year (in fact 6 months)
So kindly don't compare a quite way-back-released Flyer/View with latest Nexus and note 2/3 etc
My advise, HTF flyer is one of the best-all-in-one device you would find around (in fact a very few are there)
I can keep counting on features and its usability and fill up a page or 2, with REAL-LIFE uses with just a 1 Real-Portable-Device in your Jeans/Trouser/Coat Pocket (and not in a another BAG( which is actually pseudo-portable)).
If short of money, GRAB it quick. Believe me the major rate dip and stuff for this Product is already done/over. The current prices will remain till the inventory(which is already low) gets over (except you knock off some bargained deal with a seller). If you are thinking of some stop gap arrangement (with regards to your win8 tablet..better don;t). Wait a few months..win8 pro would be out in jan 2013. Get a
MS surface pro...and if you like like Win 8, SURFACE PRO would be really a great product (Hope you are saving money for it; Price would be 2-3X times the flyer's cost)
Personally i really like MS surface PRO (not RT)
If have money and cant live without flaunting Newest OS (FYI Flyer runs Jellybean too but not with all functions AON) and Gadget to friends and allied, go for other options. Yes there are some better options and the list will keep adding with time (and more money you are ready to spent)
I advise getting a Flyer than Evo View, if you are looking to replace your phone too.(and cant carry multiple devices)
P.S. Just some experience, in case that helps. I am not a "lets-buy-a-new-phone/tablet" guy just bcoz options are there and money is there in my bank account. I always RIP a product when it is missing/making me difficult to handle some new technology/function which i/associated people need or it BREAKS down.
When i bought My HTC KAISER back in 2007 (For 600$(including shipping) importing a Tmobile MDA vario III version to my country as there were none available here) i knew i made a good choice.
That new design and functions served me for some 3 years without me feeling much to shift over EXCEPT some screen real estate shortage(which gets short with each passing year given the fact how bigger handhelds are becoming) & resistive screen
& then i bought the FLYER (after waiting for its Initial 700$ price to come down to 370$) and i knew that price is worth it for a 7 inch Capacitive HTC's Beautiful tablet with Wifi, 3G, GPS, Dual Cameras, 32Gb+Slot Storage and the Hidden GSM phone(the deal breaker for me). It has replaced my phone too HTC KAISER (which still looks at me the same way.... sometimes when i need to lend a phone to someone(with all functions working and just wear n tear damage))
Also see how i substituted a 600$ product with a 370$ product after 3-4 yrs & latter being a more smarter, more useful and lot more productive product
Thats how technology works and changes & also how usage of product/s changes!
Personally, now, I use it as my All-in-one device
- Mainly for Phone,
- Quick Internet browsing (using Wifi at home & 3G Sim outside)
- GPS
- Voice recorder for notes(in professional work) & life voice-logs(when alone)
- a Drawing Pad for my nephew (They say the "magic" Pen is great)
- Full fledged Alarm Clock
- To-Do List Reminder
- my Music Portable (Home, Office and Travel(Airplane; Trains etc)) Esp. over Wireless Stereo BT headset
Including playing my music in Car using Aux/Drive/BT input (esp. when Days of CD/Discs are long gone)
- my Video Portable playing 720p HD videos with proper 16:9 Ratio(Home, Office and Travel(Airplane; Trains etc))
- Gr8 Games when i feeling bored
and Mind you ...if 7 inch real estate is small ...get a HDMI out and you would love the stuff on a big LED or Projector screen.
- Measure Distances & Heights (Smart Rule App)
- Taking Database Backups of my blogs and websites
- Torrents
- Wifi Hot spot for other gadgets
- Occasional Written note taking (kinda to do list only) . Scribe Pen is so handy (Mine came free/included with Flyer)
- Voice controlled Commands (Still researching Voice assistants like Speak to it & utter and they are FASCINATING)
- and the list is endless with what not can be done with loads of USEFUL and PRODUCTIVE apps available esp. after ROOTING the device into a Fully-Controlled (Beautiful-)Beast!
and
LoVVVe it.
(My only gripe (for the money and beautiful device this is).. is why HTC didn't put a flash in and may be they should have added a larger battery. Camera is not good in low light & buttery runs out soon when i use these many functions )
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The most useful feature for me is annotating PDF files. I use Repligo app. Another trick is that you can convert Power point (or whatever) files into PDFs and annotate them. I can't find any good app to annotate Word files. Foxit Viewer comes with the Flyer is useless.
I also use the pen for taking handwriting notes. I use Quill (you can get it for free here: http://code.google.com/p/android-quill/downloads/list), and HandyNote. But I'm reducing this load because it is difficult to search the content of handwriting text (with out handwriting recognition). And it's not easy to copy/paste them to other docs. That's not good for my purpose of tracking/reorganizing the notes later. But there are some app for handwriting recognition such as WritePad. Maybe they are good if one practices enough.
In addition, I guess the pen is very useful for people who enjoy drawing.
About the Flyer's competitors from price/(pen)productivity aspect, I don't see any at this point. Maybe there will be some in a year or two. MS Surface is promising but it will take time till the app support from the developers get to an adequate level with Android. Or maybe Apple will start to adopt real stylus and keep suing all Android OEMs, who knows..
I hope it helps.
freworld said:
Its actually a kinda rule in mobile tech field and allied, to not compare gadgets with age difference more than an year (in fact 6 months)
So kindly don't compare a quite way-back-released Flyer/View with latest Nexus and note 2/3 etc
My advise, HTF flyer is one of the best-all-in-one device you would find around (in fact a very few are there)
I can keep counting on features and its usability and fill up a page or 2, with REAL-LIFE uses with just a 1 Real-Portable-Device in your Jeans/Trouser/Coat Pocket (and not in a another BAG( which is actually pseudo-portable)).
If short of money, GRAB it quick. Believe me the major rate dip and stuff for this Product is already done/over. The current prices will remain till the inventory(which is already low) gets over (except you knock off some bargained deal with a seller). If you are thinking of some stop gap arrangement (with regards to your win8 tablet..better don;t). Wait a few months..win8 pro would be out in jan 2013. Get a
MS surface pro...and if you like like Win 8, SURFACE PRO would be really a great product (Hope you are saving money for it; Price would be 2-3X times the flyer's cost)
Personally i really like MS surface PRO (not RT)
If have money and cant live without flaunting Newest OS (FYI Flyer runs Jellybean too but not with all functions AON) and Gadget to friends and allied, go for other options. Yes there are some better options and the list will keep adding with time (and more money you are ready to spent)
I advise getting a Flyer than Evo View, if you are looking to replace your phone too.(and cant carry multiple devices)
P.S. Just some experience, in case that helps. I am not a "lets-buy-a-new-phone/tablet" guy just bcoz options are there and money is there in my bank account. I always RIP a product when it is missing/making me difficult to handle some new technology/function which i/associated people need or it BREAKS down.
When i bought My HTC KAISER back in 2007 (For 600$(including shipping) importing a Tmobile MDA vario III version to my country as there were none available here) i knew i made a good choice.
That new design and functions served me for some 3 years without me feeling much to shift over EXCEPT some screen real estate shortage(which gets short with each passing year given the fact how bigger handhelds are becoming) & resistive screen
& then i bought the FLYER (after waiting for its Initial 700$ price to come down to 370$) and i knew that price is worth it for a 7 inch Capacitive HTC's Beautiful tablet with Wifi, 3G, GPS, Dual Cameras, 32Gb+Slot Storage and the Hidden GSM phone(the deal breaker for me). It has replaced my phone too HTC KAISER (which still looks at me the same way.... sometimes when i need to lend a phone to someone(with all functions working and just wear n tear damage))
Also see how i substituted a 600$ product with a 370$ product after 3-4 yrs & latter being a more smarter, more useful and lot more productive product
Thats how technology works and changes & also how usage of product/s changes!
Personally, now, I use it as my All-in-one device
- Mainly for Phone,
- Quick Internet browsing (using Wifi at home & 3G Sim outside)
- GPS
- Voice recorder for notes(in professional work) & life voice-logs(when alone)
- a Drawing Pad for my nephew (They say the "magic" Pen is great)
- Full fledged Alarm Clock
- To-Do List Reminder
- my Music Portable (Home, Office and Travel(Airplane; Trains etc)) Esp. over Wireless Stereo BT headset
Including playing my music in Car using Aux/Drive/BT input (esp. when Days of CD/Discs are long gone)
- my Video Portable playing 720p HD videos with proper 16:9 Ratio(Home, Office and Travel(Airplane; Trains etc))
- Gr8 Games when i feeling bored
and Mind you ...if 7 inch real estate is small ...get a HDMI out and you would love the stuff on a big LED or Projector screen.
- Measure Distances & Heights (Smart Rule App)
- Taking Database Backups of my blogs and websites
- Torrents
- Wifi Hot spot for other gadgets
- Occasional Written note taking (kinda to do list only) . Scribe Pen is so handy (Mine came free/included with Flyer)
- Voice controlled Commands (Still researching Voice assistants like Speak to it & utter and they are FASCINATING)
- and the list is endless with what not can be done with loads of USEFUL and PRODUCTIVE apps available esp. after ROOTING the device into a Fully-Controlled (Beautiful-)Beast!
and
LoVVVe it.
(My only gripe (for the money and beautiful device this is).. is why HTC didn't put a flash in and may be they should have added a larger battery. Camera is not good in low light & buttery runs out soon when i use these many functions )
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Couldnt agree more and glad I got my for christmas
Expansys.ie were doing good deals on them, less than 250euro, which is one of the cheapest places I've seen them retail for new
Simple, the flyer is a capable device that was thrown to the side immediately after release. It performs well enough to be functional at most task but does little great. For me it is a better device than a nexus 7 because the nexus is stripped of allot of functionality the flyer has. If you want to be up to date with software do not consider this device. If you are looking for a small screen tablet that is versatile this is probably still the best option although I have not spent much time with the galaxy tab 2.7
A frustrating device for me because I enjoy its abilities but miss the tweaking custom rom aspect of a device that has good after sale development from the OEM
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Simple, the flyer is a capable device that was thrown to the side immediately after release. It performs well enough to be functional at most task but does little great. For me it is a better device than a nexus 7 because the nexus is stripped of allot of functionality the flyer has. If you want to be up to date with software do not consider this device. If you are looking for a small screen tablet that is versatile this is probably still the best option although I have not spent much time with the galaxy tab 2.7
A frustrating device for me because I enjoy its abilities but miss the tweaking custom rom aspect of a device that has good after sale development from the OEM
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Ah, thank you guys so much for all the good input! I think I'm gonna try for the flyer -- seems like a good budget way to try things, particularly the pen. I'm hoping that I can start to use it as a scratchpad of sorts, in addition to reading scanned notes (I write large so hopefully the 7" screen is adequate even when my writing gets shrunk). The lack of usb otg (at least, without an external power source) is a slight shame, but hopefully i'll be able to live without via bluetooth and the cloud.
Also, I didnt know that the Flyer could be used as a phone! Is this through 3G VoIP, or does it actually have a cell radio?
Happy new years guys!
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Also, I didnt know that the Flyer could be used as a phone! Is this through 3G VoIP, or does it actually have a cell radio?
Happy new years guys!
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Then you indeed missed a major function of this beast. Through 3g Voip as well as Cell radio
Happy new year to u too. Get yourself a gift
P.S. USB OTG issue is also a minor gripe... exact situation is being discussed here ( with possible options including USB -Y cable)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1082909
I would not recommend spending your money on any tablet or smartphone device that is over 20 months old. The specs are not even last gen, they are 2 generations old.
That said, there isn't much better in the 7" form factor. I love the 7" tablet size. But unfortunately, the manufacturers have relegated this size to the budget/low-spec end of the spectrum. Mostly thanks to the low priced Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7. And Samsung has joined the "race to the bottom" with its mediocre spec'ed Galaxy Tab2 7.0. The technology of smartphones has left 7" tablets in the dust, its such a shame.
Unless the pen functionality is really important to you (I personally never use it on the Flyer) I'd probably go for the Nexus 7. Yes, its missing some big features. But its simply much better supported by both its manufacturer and the dev community. This forum has become quiet as the grave. So you won't even get much of a community here to chat with or get help if you want to root and S-Off, flash ROMs, etc. Yes, there are still a few devs that soldier on, and other community members still trying to keep this forum alive. But the Flyer's best days are long gone.
I don't regret a bit buying the Flyer when it first came out way back in the summer of 2011. And I still use it every day. But if I didn't already have the Flyer, I wouldn't buy one now. Probably I would get a Nexus 7, wait to see how good the 7" Note is, or wait to see if any higher spec 7" tablets are on the way (doubtful).
I agree with most that has been said. If you want/need the pen and want 7"... get a flyer/evo view. I have a view and use it almost daily for writing. I always had notepads and sticky notes all over the place, now its all within lecturenotes (sweet app).
If you think you'll "maybe" use the pen... get a nexus or other 7".
I use the crap out of the pen and am looking to get another flyer/view for a friend as a gift.
Only if you really need the pen should you consider the GTab 7 2 or HTC Flyer. Having played with both I think the better option now is the Samsung model. But again, only if you really need the pen. If you can live with a capcitive stylus go with a Nexus 7. It will be supported for a long time to come and will always be on the latest OS
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Only if you really need the pen should you consider the GTab 7 2 or HTC Flyer. Having played with both I think the better option now is the Samsung model. But again, only if you really need the pen. If you can live with a capcitive stylus go with a Nexus 7. It will be supported for a long time to come and will always be on the latest OS
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Hmm, the galaxy tab2 7? Doesn't that only use the capacitive pen? also, it seems like i can't find that secondhand anywhere, and new costs $200, so I feel I might as well get the nexus7 if I'm foregoing the digitizer.
I'm also the kind of person who had notepads and sticky notes all over the place, and notes involve math that say, swype is not good for (though it is quite fast), which is why the digitizer is a big draw. But from the comments people are giving, and how fast technology is moving, it seems like it's almost better nowadays to just buy new (so... the samsung note7 whenever that comes out), just like how I can't imagine buying secondhand computers these days.
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Well, that didn't take long. It looks to have the same 1.7GHz SoC and display and in Samsung's naming convention "P" equals "standard" tablet and "N" equals a Note device. So it appears to be a high-end 10.1" tablet with similar specs to the N10. "00" in the model number indicates 3G and "10" is used for Wi-Fi so it's also 3G capable meaning it'll (likely) be launched internationally first. Samsung's model number for the existing N10 is P8110 so if it were to be offered in a 3G version it would become a P8100. Also, storage doesn't affect Samsung's model numbers so if it was a higher-capacity N10 it wouldn't be given a new model number. Since the P8200 is a high-end device by its specs it'll most likely offer Samsung's pretty much standard features like a SD card slot, IR port, and multiview. It'll probably use Samsung's propriatary charging port so it can share existing Samsung accessories and lose USB and HDMI in the process which Samsung hasn't (yet) included in any of their own tablets. I guess we'll know for sure next month at MWC.
The 7" and 10" G-Tab 3's which have already been leaked have also shown up in testing with entry-level displays of 1,024 x 600 and 1,280 x 800 respectively so they are definitely still being targeted at the low-end of the market.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/30/three-mystery-samsung-galaxy-tab-profiles-spotted/
Nope.. No way. No how.. Nope.. Samsung make great hardware but they are awful at supporting their own hardware. That thing will get one update only after a year of vague speculative `leaked' memos from Samsung about an update and pure silence on the official Samsung front. Then the update will roll out by the time Google releases that versions replacement.. Then another 8 months of "Will Samsung ever update this tab?" speculation and leaked internal memos... Then out of no where Samsung will release its replacement at the same time dropping upgrade support for it.
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Nope.. No way. No how.. Nope.. Samsung make great hardware but they are awful at supporting their own hardware. That thing will get one update only after a year of vague speculative `leaked' memos from Samsung about an update and pure silence on the official Samsung front. Then the update will roll out by the time Google releases that versions replacement.. Then another 8 months of "Will Samsung ever update this tab?" speculation and leaked internal memos... Then out of no where Samsung will release its replacement at the same time dropping upgrade support for it.
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This pretty much
Would you rather have that, or... guaranteed updates from Google (the developers of Android itself) and the best device for AOSP? Only people I see getting such a device (if it actually releases that is) are fans of Samsung, but then again even that doesn't make sense, since the Nexus 10 is Samsung... hmm. Maybe fans of Touchwiz might buy it, but still... Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
It was a given that N10's display would show up in Sammy's other GT toys, since it's the best display Sammy has available. The Note line is Sammy's high-end, and the plain GTs are value models. A dual-core N10-alike would then be a value model, with the Note counterpart getting the newer Oxy 4x4.
I'm guessing the N10-alike will show up at same pricing as N10. One likely perk is that it'll probably have a SD slot.
More interesting to me is the reversion back to 1024x600 as the baseline res, as evidenced by both Asus & Acer's low-end 7" models, and now Samsung. One would surmise that $150 is new entry price for this year, with 1280x800 7" at $200. Likewise, the 1280x800 res apparently will also populate value 10" models (at probably $250).
Good to see vendors paying more attention to the low-end, as iPad Mini at $329 leaves a big gap, and iOS popularity is starting to show signs of plateauing.
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This pretty much
Would you rather have that, or... guaranteed updates from Google (the developers of Android itself) and the best device for AOSP? Only people I see getting such a device (if it actually releases that is) are fans of Samsung, but then again even that doesn't make sense, since the Nexus 10 is Samsung... hmm. Maybe fans of Touchwiz might buy it, but still... Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
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I would be inclined to agree with you, but judging from the Note vs N10 thread apparently so!
Also, forgot to mention: Nice info OP.
>Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
Yes, distribution & promotion will be better, and more people will know more about it. From the various ad-based analytics thus far, N7 is still behind both KFs and Samsung GTs. N10 would be far behind N7. That, and no SD slot.
Seriously, stop being so parochial with the "my toy is best" attitude. The N10, along with every other toy, is already old, and getting older by the day. In Internet time, it's already past middle-age. You're just feeling your mid-life crisis.
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Samsung make great hardware but they are awful at supporting their own hardware.
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You're pretty much quoting history, not the present. They've really been focusing on getting their devices updated more frequently. All their late-model tablets and smartphones are on JB; even the SGS2. Any device with an overlay is going to lag behind an AOSP device but in return you get a ton of usability features. Android 2>3>4 were major leaps. 4>5>6 will be less so simply because Android's matured to the point shocking changes to the UI do more harm than good from a usability perspective. This is especially true now that the N4/7/10 are being positioned as mainstream consumer products vs. a developer's platform. And Samsung's JB wireless stacks aren't borked like they are in AOSP. I'm sure the N10-alike as e.mote called it will have all of Samsung's features like multiview, h/w accelerated Android-based stock browser, AllShare Cast and Play, Peel IR remote, and a color calibrated display. And people (maybe not XDA) like those things as the G-Tab 2's outsell the more powerful N7. AOSP doesn't sell because people like devices that "do stuff" (relying on "Play" doesn't count) as the following chart shows. And since the N10-alike will be sold direct via Samsung's distribution system their margin will be better even if it's the same price as the N10. Hopefully that will allow them to address the QC issues; especially with the display.
Here are a handful of features in TW that aren't in AOSP from another forum's discussion. I'll take them over faster updates any day. With h/w at the level it is "speed" is no longer an issue with the difference between an AOSP and overlayed device differing in milliseconds at things like screen transitions. Ironically, Google's being outgunned by the likes of Samsung and HTC using their own open source OS as the weapon.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
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>Is there an actual reason anyone would buy that device, over a Nexus 10?
Yes, distribution & promotion will be better, and more people will know more about it. From the various ad-based analytics thus far, N7 is still behind both KFs and Samsung GTs. N10 would be far behind N7. That, and no SD slot.
Seriously, stop being so parochial with the "my toy is best" attitude. The N10, along with every other toy, is already old, and getting older by the day. In Internet time, it's already past middle-age. You're just feeling your mid-life crisis.
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I suppose you do make a good point, but I was mostly asking that question to people who might be in the position of either buying a Nexus 10, or the P8200 (the person knows of both devices). If the person does know of both devices very well, then what actual reasons would there be?
The SD card is a pretty controversial part on devices. To most people, they hear "no SD card" and automatically think that device must fail beyond belief. If (and only if) that person actually heavily relies on the SD card for their portable devices, then this is understandable imo.
My mom has a Galaxy Prevail, some VisualLand tablet, and a Galaxy Tab 2. They all have microSD card slots. She however, doesn't use the slots period nor has any use to (there's enough internal storage available, and for everything else, there's streaming). So my mom switching to a device with no SD card slot wouldn't be a big deal at all.
I'm in the same situation as well for the most part, but there was one time where I wished I had gotten the 32GB N10, since installing a bunch of games took up a good amount of space. But then I realized... the games I had installed I wasn't really going to play anyway :shrug: so I got rid of them.
But, in any case, the only thing I see so far that the P8200 has as an advantage over a Nexus 10 is just the microSD card slot. From a general consumers point of view, the P8200 would seem pretty good because of the slot, and Samsung's "intuitive" (or whatever buzzwords used to describe it) Touchwiz interface. I myself like to receive software updates more often, and to have a stock Android experience, but this isn't something a general consumer thinks about when buying a device these days...
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Here are a handful of features in TW that aren't in AOSP from another forum's discussion. I'll take them over faster updates any day. With h/w at the level it is "speed" is no longer an issue with the difference between an AOSP and overlayed device differing in milliseconds at things like screen transitions. Ironically, Google's being outgunned by the likes of Samsung and HTC using their own open source OS as the weapon.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
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Some of that does sound pretty cool actually Still can't say it would make me choose a P8200 over a Nexus 10 though.
>I was mostly asking that question to people who might be in the position of either buying a Nexus 10, or the P8200 (the person knows of both devices). If the person does know of both devices very well, then what actual reasons would there be?
Don't worry, the P8200 is still just a rumor. You have a few more months to play with your baby.
Anyway, if you were serious about the question, you wouldn't be asking it here, where most peeps are already N10 owners, and thus biased toward their own purchase.
N10 has the privilege of "getting it first," both in hardware and OS. But along with that is "getting it buggy," again both in hardware and software. 4.2 has had teething issues; ditto N10 hardware. Other drawbacks include lack of accessories. Determining "better" then depends on the user, whether he wants his toys fast, or having them stable and polished. Some would opt for the first, but the majority would opt for the second.
One major consideration, which Barry mentioned indirectly, is whether N10 will get an update for Miracast. For me, that, more than any other spec, is the must-have feature for high-end tablets this year.
I don't care if Samsung releases an updated version. What I care about, are the dimensions of said tablet. If the dimensions are like the N10's then everyone benefits with compatible hardware that Samsung will bring to the table. There's still the dock for the N10 that Google had shown off in one of their holiday videos. So hopefully the new one will have the same dimensions, so we will have hardware to go with the N10.
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>There's still the dock for the N10 that Google had shown off in one of their holiday videos.
N10 didn't have a dock in said video; it was a generic stand that lacks stability. The shown setup would tip over if you try to use the tablet. Contrast that against the stability of the N7 dock, shown in same vid.
Secondly, the curved N10 silhouette is unique among tablets. Sammy's GT and GT2 lines have straight edges, not curved. The GT3 line may well follow N10 style, but that would be a hypothetical.
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Don't worry, the P8200 is still just a rumor. You have a few more months to play with your baby.
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I'd assume there's some window of exclusivity in Google's contract with Samsung for the N10 to prevent them from releasing a carbon copy within too short a time frame. If it's six months, the soonest you'd see a N10-alike would be April or May. Samsung selling their own version reusing many of the same components would also benefit Google in driving the N10's costs down based on the additional volume. Google's not in the h/w business; they’re in the business of selling ads and content and they'd make the same in that regard whether someone buys an N10 or P8200 so I'm sure they are fine with it.
One major consideration, which Barry mentioned indirectly, is whether N10 will get an update for Miracast. For me, that, more than any other spec, is the must-have feature for high-end tablets this year.
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That's up to Google, not Samsung. The N10's built by Samsung to Google's spec so they are responsible for what's there or missing. The good news is that there's so little out that can receive Miracast it's not like anyone's missing anything. I'm sure the P8200 will have AllShare Cast so Samsung can sell more proprietary dongles.
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Secondly, the curved N10 silhouette is unique among tablets. Sammy's GT and GT2 lines have straight edges, not curved. The GT3 line may well follow N10 style, but that would be a hypothetical.
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It'll be interesting to see if Samsung goes with a different screen/bezel design for the P8200. The current one-piece unit is the source of all the QC issues and the approach hasn't been used anywhere else by Samsung. The entire unit is shaped to mirror the N10's housing so either the display has to be redone or the P8200 will be shaped like the N10.
The new G-Tab 3's are shaped like Samsung's existing tablets. Since there's already a 10" G-Tab 3, the P8200 is either going to be positioned above it as a different series or could be called a G-Tab 3 HD.
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everyone benefits with compatible hardware that Samsung will bring to the table.
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They'll almost surely use their proprietary 30-pin connector so that all the existing tablet accessories work with it. They went to universal accessories after the OG G-Tab(s) and they work on all Samsung’s tablets so that’s not going to help N10 users. Covers and stuff would work but only if they stick to the N10's design which I think is highly unlikely. It's one thing to build a tablet similar to the N10 and another thing to sell a rebadged version of the same tablet in direct competition to their partner's version.
Samsung's products always look good on paper but end up being so buggy they're frustrating to use. I really wish Samsung would iron out some of their problems since they seem to be the most innovate (IMO) manufacturer out there and have great hardware to back it up.
>I'd assume there's some window of exclusivity in Google's contract with Samsung for the N10 to prevent them from releasing a carbon copy within too short a time frame.
I don't think exclusivity matters. Nexus toys are priced below equivalent commercial products, so there's no incentive for the OEM (Samsung) to do "branded" clones of Nexus toys, as it would be undercutting its other products. If anything, Sammy would want the Nexus to have as little exposure as possible, so not to generate any price pressure on high-end Android tabs (which hasn't happened with N10).
>Samsung selling their own version reusing many of the same components would also benefit Google in driving the N10's costs down based on the additional volume.
IMO, Google isn't paying Samsung per unit. It's likely Sammy's play. Sammy gets OS development experience in working alongside Goog's design team, the prestige and exposure, and Goog's help in advertising and distribution. In return, Sammy handles the manufacturing and hardware support. So any volume-of-scale benefit would accrue to Samsung. It's probably a bit more entangled than that, being a joint venture.
>That's [Miracast] up to Google, not Samsung.
I think it's more up to the custom ROM guys. In any case, we should know by the time the new toys launch if N10 will get Mira or not.
>The good news is that there's so little out that can receive Miracast it's not like anyone's missing anything.
Miracast would be an appealing sales hook, as opposed to the usual pitch of ever-higher res and faster SoC. It's something that the buyer can see, and is an actual useful feature. I think it will have a fast ramp, and we'll see many offerings at MWC.
BTW, looks like PTV3000 works with Note 2, so you won't be stuck with just Sammy's own toys.
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/5kUFRgcEYXE
"I can confirm that the 2.2.4 firmware works with my Note 2.
PTV3000 2.2.4
Fully stock Note 2 AT&T - with the new 4.1.2 JB (multi window) update from samsung."
>Samsung's products always look good on paper but end up being so buggy they're frustrating to use.
The easy solution is don't buy toys on launch day. Wait a month for feedback from those with arrows sticking out their backside.
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IMO, Google isn't paying Samsung per unit. It's likely Sammy's play. Sammy gets OS development experience in working alongside Goog's design team, the prestige and exposure, and Goog's help in advertising and distribution. In return, Sammy handles the manufacturing and hardware support. So any volume-of-scale benefit would accrue to Samsung. It's probably a bit more entangled than that, being a joint venture.
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I think that's the way it used to work but there's little incentive for Samsung to sell a couple of million N10's over its lifetime at reduced margins to the rest of their devices. Frankly, Samsung doesn't need prestige; they mean more to Android than Google does based on the percentage of Android devices that are Samsung branded. I'd guess Google turned to Samsung for a 10" tablet simply because the cost of high end components like the ultra-HD display and A15 SoC necessary to power it would have made the final cost too expensive if it were built by LG or Asus who would have to buy components third party. I'm sure Samsung's making a fair (but lower than their own) margin on the N10. And it came out in the Apple trial that Samsung has over 100 s/w engineers based in the U.S. working directly with Google so they've already got all the knowledge transfer they need.
If this tablet turns out to be like Nexus 10 & Note 10.1 together, this will kill the Nexus 10! Can't wait to hear more about this tablet.
>Frankly, Samsung doesn't need prestige; they mean more to Android than Google does based on the percentage of Android devices that are Samsung branded.
Prestige/exposure may not be a big deal, but working hand-in-glove with Google's development of JB certainly qualifies. Software is key to differentiation, and many of Sam's enhancements in its Note devices surely benefitted from its close relationship with Google.
Who pays whom doesn't really matter; Nexus is a joint venture. What matters is that at this point, Nexus has shown no aspiration to be a mainstream product line. The marketing isn't there. Its intentions are rather muddied, but I see a Nexus as more of a reference device + halo product, that caters to vendors/developers/enthusiasts--not joe-blow buyer. That may be by design, as Samsung/Asus/LG wouldn't be too happy if the Nexus brand becomes a full-blown competitor. It's a balancing act, like with the various "co-opetition" relationships we've seen, eg MS' Surface products.
As for who needs whom more, Android is obviously more important to Sammy than Sammy to Android. If Sammy were to disappear today, Android phones will still roll along, with HTC and other players taking up the slack. If Android disappears, Sammy would have...Tizen? WP8?
In fact, that would be a good test of the Samsung brand, to see how much WP8 sales the announced ATIV S & Odyssey can generate. Hey, may be Sammy can singlehandedly boost Win8 sales as well?
I don't think so.
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You're pretty much quoting history, not the present. They've really been focusing on getting their devices updated more frequently. All their late-model tablets and smartphones are on JB; even the SGS2. Any device with an overlay is going to lag behind an AOSP device but in return you get a ton of usability features. Android 2>3>4 were major leaps. 4>5>6 will be less so simply because Android's matured to the point shocking changes to the UI do more harm than good from a usability perspective. This is especially true now that the N4/7/10 are being positioned as mainstream consumer products vs. a developer's platform. And Samsung's JB wireless stacks aren't borked like they are in AOSP. I'm sure the N10-alike as e.mote called it will have all of Samsung's features like multiview, h/w accelerated Android-based stock browser, AllShare Cast and Play, Peel IR remote, and a color calibrated display. And people (maybe not XDA) like those things as the G-Tab 2's outsell the more powerful N7. AOSP doesn't sell because people like devices that "do stuff" (relying on "Play" doesn't count) as the following chart shows. And since the N10-alike will be sold direct via Samsung's distribution system their margin will be better even if it's the same price as the N10. Hopefully that will allow them to address the QC issues; especially with the display.
Here are a handful of features in TW that aren't in AOSP from another forum's discussion. I'll take them over faster updates any day. With h/w at the level it is "speed" is no longer an issue with the difference between an AOSP and overlayed device differing in milliseconds at things like screen transitions. Ironically, Google's being outgunned by the likes of Samsung and HTC using their own open source OS as the weapon.
The ability to turn off the capacitive button lights so if you're navigating or watching flash-based video in a browser they don't distract you.
Long pressing a function in the notification bar open that function. (EG: short press Wi-Fi = toggle, long press=open Wi-Fi settings) so you have quick access to most used settings no matter where you are in the UI or an app.
Customize which functions appear in the notification bar and reorder them.
Unlock the device via voice including separate commands to unlock via voice directly in to various apps.
Use voice to control the music player, take a picture, snooze or shut off the alarm, or accept or reject an incoming call.
Launch the camera while the device is locked by holding a finger on it and rotating it from vertical to horizontal.
Smart Stay to keep the device awake when looking at it and Smart Rotation to keep it at the same orientation as your eyes if you change position.
Music Hub subscription service with locker storage (matched) for your own music and the ability to download unlimited songs (while subscribed) to the device's SD card and have them all show up in the stock music player.
Music Square which determines the "mood" of all your stored music and allows you to instantly create playlists based on the mood of a song you're currently listening to.
S Voice to control a much broader list of functions by voice than what’s supported by Google Now and dial by name or number via BT including sending MMS and e-mail.
Quick Glance to see time, date, weather, battery life, missed calls/messages, and new e-mail by waving your hand over the device without unlocking it.
Customize your e-mail signature in the stock e-mail client including different fonts, colors, and graphics.
Direct call to automatically dial a number from an open contact, MMS, or e-mail message.
Palm touch to mute the device by covering it with your hand.
Driving mode to read incoming MMS and e-mail aloud.
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I don't even know where to begin... First nexus devices have no buttons so there's that.
Second 4.2 has quick settings
Third unlocking via voice can hurt battery life
Forth pretty much everything to do with voice isn't that grand. Until it is better implemented it is just a gimmick. Sure Google now can't do as much yet (one can argue it actually does more ie: getting your boarding pass and updating tracking info for packages) it does it so much more accurately and faster
Fifth smart start and smart rotation suck. They don't work well especially if you wear glasses.
Sixth did you forget about Google music?
I don't plan to mention anything else as they are just gimmicky features. I have a galaxy s3 and use a note 2 from time to time. They're all cool features but half the time they don't work. Until they are reliable I don't consider them features.
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Product identity and consumer understanding.
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Like most of us I spend a fair amount of time reading various reports, industry reviews and forum posts. There is an awful lot of confusion with regard to mobile devices.
When is a mobile phone a mobile phone and when is a tablet a tablet? Part of the sales problems with the in between range of devices is identity. Unofficially we have named them 'phablets'. This IS important. Far to many professional reviewers write about the size of over 5" screens as being to big and not mobile. I tend to agree with them. Hang on. I tend to agree with them when they review said device as a mobile phone. IF we could officially adopt an industry name and categorisation such as 'phablet' this would reduce customer confusion and also help with sales and customer satisfaction.
When the net book was introduced they initially came out with an 8" screen. Toshiba made them, started a whole new segment in the portable device section. Consumers then purchased them and moaned about the screen being too small! Next model came with a 9" then 10" then before we new it we where in the lap top range so customers reverted back to lap tops and the net book died.
Then came the ultra book with an Intel industry specification. That seems to have worked as the industry has kept to that specification thus there is zero identity crisis when one purchases an ultra book.
The Xperia Ultra et al are not true mobile phones. With this is mind such devices come under an awful lot of fire as reviewers compare such devices with, for example, the Apple 5S. rather absurd when one thinks about it BUT understandable because as yet the term 'phablet' is unofficial. it matters, identity matters to avoid wrong and negative comparison.
IF those who make 'phablets' call them 'phablets' and box them as 'phablets' the consumer can make a much more educated choice of purchase.
The Ultra and those of a similar size should be marketed as a new breed of device, their strengths should be highlighted and that way this constant comparison game wold stop. No one reviews a car with a motor bike! Tow different machines.
I would very much like to see an industry standard with regard to this situation and each device market under that criteria. So much criticism is aimed at the Ultra also Note and Mega etc as being too big as a mobile phone. They ARE! They are not too big if we call them what they are...vis,,,a phablet
A phablet is not a mobile phone nor a tablet so why should we not celebrate the difference and concentrate on our phablets strengths?
Comparing this with vehicle sales, The classification of a 'city car' is a small run about, A city car is not suitable for a family of six nor long journeys that is why car manufacturers came up with the MPU and the large family car.
An MPV would not sell well as a car yet cannot be compared with a mini bus. Bingo a new catagorisation of a vehicle. Same with the SUV and 4X4.
To Joe public this boxing of different vehicles makes sense and no one would compare a city car with an MPV. No crisis of identity. We like to place things in boxes to label things its human nature.
Words and correct identification matter. Sales and consumer opinion matter. To this end we could boost sales also have a greater customer level of satisfaction if we called out Ultra et al what it is and not what it is not. What is the problem with the large companies marketing their phablets as phablets?
Just another ramble.
Ryland
I posted this in another thread bit thought it may well be best in a thread of its own?
For me though, the definition is this:
A phone: a communication tool that has embedded earpiece into it, plus pocketable.
A tablet: a media tool that doesn't have direct calling capability so no ear piece to it. And plus it is not pocketable (must be put on the bag)
A phablet word actually isn't required nowadays. The only cause it exists was because Samsung made an ad for the note 1 ("a phone? Or a tablet?") so people starts to make an acronym for that. But actually they should be classified still as a phone because of such characteristics i described above.
Plus XZU should be still called phone because it is pocketable. I still put it on my chest pocket with confidence so yes it is a phone ^_^. Yeah it will be compared to an iphone but still, they have the same function so it is comparable.
Plus if you think about it, other than samsung, no tablet so far that promotes an alternative input like stylus, but they are still called as a tablet. So no a phablet acronym isn't necessary.
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hansip87 said:
For me though, the definition is this:
A phone: a communication tool that has embedded earpiece into it, plus pocketable.
A tablet: a media tool that doesn't have direct calling capability so no ear piece to it. And plus it is not pocketable (must be put on the bag)
A phablet word actually isn't required nowadays. The only cause it exists was because Samsung made an ad for the note 1 ("a phone? Or a tablet?") so people starts to make an acronym for that. But actually they should be classified still as a phone because of such characteristics i described above.
Plus XZU should be still called phone because it is pocketable. I still put it on my chest pocket with confidence so yes it is a phone ^_^. Yeah it will be compared to an iphone but still, they have the same function so it is comparable.
Plus if you think about it, other than samsung, no tablet so far that promotes an alternative input like stylus, but they are still called as a tablet. So no a phablet acronym isn't necessary.
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I agree I use my xperia z ultra as a phone, I make calls on it, however I also sold my tablet, because of I have no need for it anymore.
So if it's not a tablet why don't I want one anymore? Something no other phone managed to do, including note 2.
I guess the z ultra is truly an all in one device, a tablet that I enjoy to carry around everywhere with me because it's smaller, because I don't have two carry two devices, and last but not least, I have to because it's my phone.
I really believe that z ultra is ahead of its time having it for a few months now the size has become normal for me, even putting it next to my ear is not weird anymore like when I first got it. I believe in about a year or max two. This will become normal large size smartphones.
The only thing that puts me off the xperia z ultra is the word phablet.
I hate that word! It churns my stomach, makes me think of someone doing a large poo!
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I agree with the OP
My brother has had two phablets, I think both CN built units - one a ZTE. Both have been in the 7 - 8 inch with full calling ability. These are way too big to be called phones and really on the small side for tablet.