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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi A2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
The camera (software) of the Mi A2 is once again a disappointment, Xiaomi still isn't even close to the competition.
Here's a medium/low light composition (100% crop) taken with my old Redmi Note 3 Pro (Samsung Sensor) and the Mi A2.
I've taken more samples with the A2, hoping for better sharpness and contrast and selected the best ones - but only that single image on the Redmi Note 3 Pro.
The Redmi Note 3 (as well as the Note 4X and Mi A1 with Google HDR+ Camera) easily outperform the Mi A2 in a few hundred shots I've taken so far in all situations, except for:
- Daylight action shots (still close but in most situations the shorter aperture helps)
- Extremely low light (the Redmi Note 3 still has the edge on sharpness and focus accuracy, but the A2 wins with a bit less noise and better contrast / dynamic range)
daywalker313 said:
The camera (software) of the Mi A2 is once again a disappointment, Xiaomi still isn't even close to the competition.
Here's a medium/low light composition (100% crop) taken with my old Redmi Note 3 Pro (Samsung Sensor) and the Mi A2.
I've taken more samples with the A2, hoping for better sharpness and contrast and selected the best ones - but only that single image on the Redmi Note 3 Pro.
The Redmi Note 3 (as well as the Note 4X and Mi A1 with Google HDR+ Camera) easily outperform the Mi A2 in a few hundred shots I've taken so far in all situations, except for:
- Daylight action shots (still close but in most situations the shorter aperture helps)
- Extremely low light (the Redmi Note 3 still has the edge on sharpness and focus accuracy, but the A2 wins with a bit less noise and better contrast / dynamic range)
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Can't exactly say that I am disappointed https://pandainthecloud.de/nextcloud/index.php/apps/gallery/s/mW2GqLcFXEa84ds#
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The camera (software) of the Mi A2 is once again a disappointment, Xiaomi still isn't even close to the competition.
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That sounds like my experience as well. I'm currently comparing this phone (for my dad) against my Nexus 5X, and straight out of the box images even with HDR just can't be compared.
However, I specifically bought this device for the price point + androidOne combo. With the google camera port and camera2api enabled, this is just about on-par with the Nexus 5X. I'd almost consider getting this for myself!
I noticed in your Redmi sample, you had used a google cam port. Try a google cam port on the A2, it's quite the improvement. I'll have opportunity to post some samples in the next few days, since I just got the A2 yesterday
Photo samples below:
Mi A2 Test Photos [Google Camera Port]
Particular characteristics noticed:
- autofocus isn't always on-point if you just shoot from the hip (aka double-tap power, then immediately single tap volume button); for best results you should wait like a second to lock focus
- some google camera ports allow you to tweak highlight and shadow saturation; explore around!
- colours aren't 100% accurate, but could just be a simple white-balance adjustment in snapseed, etc.
Front camera is better than rear camera
Why is the rear camera produces 8mp pictures? I just opened the camera app and took the shot.
OverTheEdge said:
Why is the rear camera produces 8mp pictures? I just opened the camera app and took the shot.
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18:9 your photo is in 8 mpx
16:9 9 mpx
4:3 12 mpx
lelozerien said:
18:9 your photo is in 8 mpx
16:9 9 mpx
4:3 12 mpx
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Thanks!
OverTheEdge said:
Why is the rear camera produces 8mp pictures? I just opened the camera app and took the shot.
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Maby you are on "low quality" mode.
Go to the camera settings and select the "high quality" option.
Both cameras have its own settings, so if you want to change the resolution of the frontal camera, you are gonna have to swipe to that camera and then acces to the settings.
I hope it works
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Maby you are on "low quality" mode.
Go to the camera settings and select the "high quality" option.
Both cameras have its own settings, so if you want to change the resolution of the frontal camera, you are gonna have to swipe to that camera and then acces to the settings.
I hope it works
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No, it was on high quality. Changing it to 4:3 fixed it and made the photos produced to 12mp instead of 8mp.
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Why is the potrait mode resolution on my mi a2 is 16mp and 20mp....i thought the camera resolution is 12mp on the primary camera
Why there is so much difference between mia1 portrait and mia2 portrait ? i like mi a1 blur co'z they look close to natural like dslr blur and a2 blur seems to artificial why?
Some amazing shots with the stock cam:
xxx.flickr.com/gp/[email protected]/97pfu5
Honest review: I agree with @Benjamin_L
My previous phone was Redmi 3S. With Google Camera it produced more sharper images than Mi A2 with Google Camera. It looks like there's some kind of pixel binning thing happening even with the primary sensor. Edges are not crisp/sharp. Dynamic range is good though with GCam ports in every phone it no longer matters.
Only place where it wins from other phones is its low light performance due to the aperture. Otherwise the camera is not really that great, as speculated in every blog. Sure, in stock camera comparisons with other phones, Mi A2 is the better one. However once we move to GCam, other phones are at par with Mi A2, in fact better, in Daylight.
I'm going to show the common strength and weaknesses of these two, and help you decide which is best for you.
So let's start with similarities :
- USB Type C 2.0
- OLED screen
- HDR10 compatible
- In-screen FP scanner
- Wide, ultrawide, and telephoto lens (48, 13, 8mp)
- Front and back glass design
- Same band compatibilities
- Widevine L1 (global)
- UFS 2.1 Storage
- NFC
- Google Pay
- Fast charge capable
- Bluetooth 5.0
etc. etc.
Now the differences (I'm going to try to make it as short as possible) :
Mi 9T - , Mi 9 SE -
1- 6.39" screen , 5.97" screen
2- Amoled screen , Samsung Amoled screen
3- 4000mah battery , 3070mah battery
4- Sony IMX582 sensor , Sony IMX586 sensor
5- 4K30 with EIS , 4K30 without EIS
6- 1080p up to 960fps , 1080p up to 120fps
7- f/2.2 front camera , f/2.0 front camera
8- Pop-up camera , Dot notch camera/display
9- No support for PD fast charging , Supports PD fast charging
10- Less sensors , More sensors
11- SD 730 , SD 712
12- 8nm processor , 10nm processor
13- 3.5mm jack , no 3.5 jack
Description :
1, 5, 8, 11, 13 are self-explanatory.
2. The Mi 9 SE has a better display than the Mi 9T. It's probably an in-house made Xiaomi amoled screen on the 9T. Therefore, the SE should have better colours and contrast.
3. Despite the 9T having a bigger battery, the SE seems to be able to keep up with the 9T in a few testings on Youtube, maybe the SE will average few hours less than the 9T. So the battery shouldn't be a huge deal, unless you're a heavy gamer go for the 9T.
4. From my research, the 582 can only be recorded up to 4K30, that's all I could fine. However, I've seen a few videos showing a slightly softer image in detail compared to the 586. This is more noticeable in low light, but different image processing could have a play in this scenario.
6. I have no idea why the 9T can record 960fps at 1080p. The SD 730 on Qualcomm's site states that it can record up to 120fps at 1080p and 240fps at 720p (no information about the SD 712). So I don't see why the SE wouldn't be able to record 1080p960.
7. In theory, the SE should produce better selfies than the 9T, especially at low light, but image processing plays a major role here.
9. It's hard for me to explain, just google it XD
10. The SE has more sensors than the 9T for navigation and whatnot. FYI, the SE has an IR blaster where the 9T lacks.
12. A lower nm process results in better performance and better battery life. So the 9T has a lower battery consumption than the SE.
Research is all done by me. Information that I've gathered are from the following sites :
mi.com/global (for spec comparison)
youtube.com (camera and image performance, battery performance)
qualcomm.com (processor specs)
google.com (for definitions and explanations)
Feel free to leave a comment if I miss anything, or leave your opinions!
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Hmm... I think you missed the main point of an Mi 9 SE owner:
0. SIZE: Mi 9T >> Mi 9 SE, which is the best relatively compact Android with best price/value ratio
1.-13. mostly similar
Winner is Mi 9 SE. If you prefer oven pans -> Mi 9T
mi9se more sexy and compact
I'm going to show the common strength and weaknesses of these two, and help you decide which is best for you.
So let's start with similarities :
- USB Type C 2.0
- OLED screen
- HDR10 compatible
- In-screen FP scanner
- Wide, ultrawide, and telephoto lens (48, 13, 8mp)
- Front and back glass design
- Same band compatibilities
- Widevine L1 (global)
- UFS 2.1 Storage
- NFC
- Google Pay
- Fast charge capable
- Bluetooth 5.0
etc. etc.
Now the differences (I'm going to try to make it as short as possible) :
Mi 9T - , Mi 9 SE -
1- 6.39" screen , 5.97" screen
2- Amoled screen , Samsung Amoled screen
3- 4000mah battery , 3070mah battery
4- Sony IMX582 sensor , Sony IMX586 sensor
5- 4K30 with EIS , 4K30 without EIS
6- 1080p up to 960fps , 1080p up to 120fps
7- f/2.2 front camera , f/2.0 front camera
8- Pop-up camera , Dot notch camera/display
9- No support for PD fast charging , Supports PD fast charging
10- Less sensors , More sensors
11- SD 730 , SD 712
12- 8nm processor , 10nm processor
13- 3.5mm jack , no 3.5 jack
Description :
1, 5, 8, 11, 13 are self-explanatory.
2. The Mi 9 SE has a better display than the Mi 9T. It's probably an in-house made Xiaomi amoled screen on the 9T. Therefore, the SE should have better colours and contrast.
3. Despite the 9T having a bigger battery, the SE seems to be able to keep up with the 9T in a few testings on Youtube, maybe the SE will average few hours less than the 9T. So the battery shouldn't be a huge deal, unless you're a heavy gamer go for the 9T.
4. From my research, the 582 can only be recorded up to 4K30, that's all I could fine. However, I've seen a few videos showing a slightly softer image in detail compared to the 586. This is more noticeable in low light, but different image processing could have a play in this scenario.
6. I have no idea why the 9T can record 960fps at 1080p. The SD 730 on Qualcomm's site states that it can record up to 120fps at 1080p and 240fps at 720p (no information about the SD 712). So I don't see why the SE wouldn't be able to record 1080p960.
7. In theory, the SE should produce better selfies than the 9T, especially at low light, but image processing plays a major role here.
9. It's hard for me to explain, just google it XD
10. The SE has more sensors than the 9T for navigation and whatnot. FYI, the SE has an IR blaster where the 9T lacks.
12. A lower nm process results in better performance and better battery life. So the 9T has a lower battery consumption than the SE.
Research is all done by me. Information that I've gathered are from the following sites :
mi.com/global (for spec comparison)
youtube.com (camera and image performance, battery performance)
qualcomm.com (processor specs)
google.com (for definitions and explanations)
Feel free to leave a comment if I miss anything, or leave your opinions!
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Last week I watched a H265 4K MKV movie on the MI9T. So H265 is definitely supported.
olihey said:
Last week I watched a H265 4K MKV movie on the MI9T. So H265 is definitely supported.
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And we can record video with this H265 So ... ;D
The screen of the mi 9t is actually Super Amoled. Screenshot from Aida i.imgur.com/RqSoc0j
Sent from my Mi 9T using Tapatalk
MaxSour said:
The screen of the mi 9t is actually Super Amoled. Screenshot from Aida i.imgur.com/RqSoc0j
Sent from my Mi 9T using Tapatalk
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The thing is that Xiaomi uses two displays, one it's a Super Amoled, the other one it's Amoled. You can see on this page:
https://www.mi.com/es/mi-9-t/specs/
One it's the same as Mi 9, Mix 3, 9 Se, etc.
The other who knows. So I think that maybe it's the reason that it's not listed as super Amoled, you might get the other one.
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H265 playback on the 9T it's available.
olihey said:
Last week I watched a H265 4K MKV movie on the MI9T. So H265 is definitely supported.
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razielmcr said:
The thing is that Xiaomi uses two displays, one it's a Super Amoled, the other one it's Amoled. You can see on this page:
https://www.mi.com/es/mi-9-t/specs/
One it's the same as Mi 9, Mix 3, 9 Se, etc.
The other who knows. So I think that maybe it's the reason that it's not listed as super Amoled, you might get the other one.
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H265 playback on the 9T it's available.
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Thanks for the feedbacks, sometimes xiaomi doesn't list the full specs for some reason. And about the AMOLED screens, I personally think the one in the 9T is not a Samsung one, it was probably a cheaper AMOLED screen for xiaomi to put in the phone, I could be wrong though.
Jt380p said:
Thanks for the feedbacks, sometimes xiaomi doesn't list the full specs for some reason. And about the AMOLED screens, I personally think the one in the 9T is not a Samsung one, it was probably a cheaper AMOLED screen for xiaomi to put in the phone, I could be wrong though.
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Hmm, maybe you should read this. It's the same I just said, but better explained.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com..._and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Tl;dr: they are using both, as the site lists two screens.
Xiaomi mi9t, has better screen then mi9, more bright on sunlight, that was confirmed on some reviews
Hello devlopers and friends Ever since I brought poco f1 and installed gcam and other third party camera apps my front camera resolution drops to 5mp. Only official camera app is able to use 20 mp resolution.
I know there are many threads about pixel Bining and stuff but i don't agree with them. The main problem is at the end a 5Mp Image is 5Mp and 20 Mp is 20 mp.
But i think and request devlopers to please look to it.
## According to my theory As confirmed by Device info Harware app There are three camera sensors in poco F1 out of which the one with camera ID 0 is 13 the one with camera ID 1 is 20 and with camera ID 2 is is 5 megapixel.
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13 Mp back camera primary Camera Id 0
5mp back camera primary camera Id2
20 mp front camera Id 1
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According to my theory the five megapixel and the 20 megapixel camera are conflicting with each other and gcam is taking the values from 5 megapixel instead of 20 megapixel sensor. So I request that developers that they can try I and confirm if it is the case and if it is true please make a fix for it
thanks
On specs sheet, the front facing camera has 20mp but in gcam it says 5mp. Google Camera is using what they called "Pixel Binning" and it is a software implementation.
This process is the procedure of combining a cluster of pixels into a single pixel. As such, in 2x2 binning, an array of 4 pixels becomes a single larger pixel, reducing the overall number of pixels.
13mp back camera is the main camera shooter
5mp back camera is the depth sensor
20mp front camera is the secondary camera shooter
One good example is this
Darklouis said:
On specs sheet, the front facing camera has 20mp but in gcam it says 5mp. Google Camera is using what they called "Pixel Binning" and it is a software implementation.
This process is the procedure of combining a cluster of pixels into a single pixel. As such, in 2x2 binning, an array of 4 pixels becomes a single larger pixel, reducing the overall number of pixels.
13mp back camera is the main camera shooter
5mp back camera is the depth sensor
20mp front camera is the secondary camera shooter
One good example is this
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Thanks for replying
The question is that why gcam and other apps detect only 5mp sensor.
Lets agree gcam uses pixel Bining and stuff.
But why other apps detect and capture 5mp are they all using pixel Bining.
And why only Mi Camera can capture at full potential of the sensor. Is there a catch we all are ignoring.
Pixel Bining or not at the end when zoomed 5Mp image is storing lesser data .
And also imagine a 20mp full resolution shot with gcam cam make things go from OK to wow.
harshgohan said:
Thanks for replying
The question is that why gcam and other apps detect only 5mp sensor.
Lets agree gcam uses pixel Bining and stuff.
But why other apps detect and capture 5mp are they all using pixel Bining.
And why only Mi Camera can capture at full potential of the sensor. Is there a catch we all are ignoring.
Pixel Bining or not at the end when zoomed 5Mp image is storing lesser data .
And also imagine a 20mp full resolution shot with gcam cam make things go from OK to wow.
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It doesn't really change anything. And it doesn't mean more resolution = more quality. It is a matter of fact of image processing. If you really compare MIUI Stock Camera and Google Camera, you will see the big difference from the two since that Stock Camera doesn't uses Pixel Binning algorithm
Darklouis said:
It doesn't really change anything. And it doesn't mean more resolution = more quality. It is a matter of fact of image processing. If you really compare MIUI Stock Camera and Google Camera, you will see the big difference from the two since that Stock Camera doesn't uses Pixel Binning algorithm
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Pixel binning gives better shots in low lighting conditions only. No significant difference in well lit conditions. Thats why i want to capture with full resolution in Google camera because its awesome.
Also if pixel binning is so justified why don't we capture 3 mp photo with rear camera and say its better than 13mp because its not
Justified ( That 20 mp shot from miui cam is not good than gcam)
Not justified ( That it is due to only pixel binning . It is due to google computational algorithms.)
#pixelbinning is justified only in badly lit photos not everywhere
Agreed doesn't mean More resolution=more quality
But More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of gcam it means awesome shot)
More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of miui camera it means ok shot cause it does not uses multiple shots and algorithms to produce good shots)
harshgohan said:
Pixel binning gives better shots in low lighting conditions only. No significant difference in well lit conditions. Thats why i want to capture with full resolution in Google camera because its awesome.
Also if pixel binning is so justified why don't we capture 3 mp photo with rear camera and say its better than 13mp because its not
Justified ( That 20 mp shot from miui cam is not good than gcam)
Not justified ( That it is due to only pixel binning . It is due to google computational algorithms.)
#pixelbinning is justified only in badly lit photos not everywhere
Agreed doesn't mean More resolution=more quality
But More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of gcam it means awesome shot)
More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of miui camera it means ok shot cause it does not uses multiple shots and algorithms to produce good shots)
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Then use the stock camera if you really wanted the 20mp. Use gcam if you wanted better image processing.
This was explained a long time ago and it is really not a big issue or some conspiracy about the 20mp sensor
Yes it is a issue One plus devices had this issue Zen devices had issues similar in Auxiliary camera regarding resolutions on gcam. All those were fixed due to efforts of devlopers.But i think people just want to accept everything and not work it out. If some one can try to find a fix there will be a fix. But if everyone just accept the fate lie down nothing is gonna happen
Similar issue, i can't change photo camera resolution on miui 11.0.5.0.
harshgohan said:
According to my theory the five megapixel and the 20 megapixel camera are conflicting with each other and gcam is taking the values from 5 megapixel instead of 20 megapixel sensor. So I request that developers that they can try I and confirm if it is the case and if it is true please make a fix for it
thanks
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Dude, you are suggesting your gcam is taking front selfies with rear 5MP sensor?
A 20MP image is only twice as big 5MP image. Not 4 times big.
Gcam 5MP selfie carries much more details than 20MP MiUi camera, day or night. Period. MiUi camera does a lot smoothening.
lockhrt999 said:
Gcam 5MP selfie carries much more details than 20MP MiUi camera, day or night. Period. MiUi camera does a lot smoothening.
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Or maybe gcam does lot's of sharpening to make them look "detailed" zoomed out? When zoomed in you can see tiny coloured squares.
Update I used Redmi note8 Pro and Redmi k20 pro with gcam They all produce 5 mp front and 12mp back irrespective of the sensor resolution. Maybe gcam only supports these resolution maximum.
Honestly i would love larger resolution support with gcam .
In k20pro gcam can take images in 48 MP resolution
In back But issue is in front it only takes with 5mp resolution and this 5MP resolution is useless when you zoom the image or see it laptop you can see amount of noise.This really need a fix .
Can i disable Pixel Bining
I think no devloper is interested in This.
I wish there were devs who would look at it but sad thing is no one really care
True story
Actually Gcam detects full one Megapixel when individual pixel size is more that 1.1 π size..
Poco f1 or other Xiaomi phone with 20mp sensor has individual pixel size of 0.8/0.9/1.0 π size.
But Gcam detect full 13mp in my Redmi note 5 AI because the sensor's pixel size is 1.12 π.
Thus even in my old device has a 13mp insane Gcam selfie.
Hi Oppo Forum,
After using a Nokia Lumia 1020 for over 5 years, I had been on the look out for a good camera phone (something that can come close to the 1020 legend but not cost a bomb). Almost decided on the Oppo Reno 10x Zoom as it is an attractive package! However based on my research, I know some camera functionality is missing for now. Keen to know if it will come in a software update. These are:
1. Video recording using the Wide Angle and Telescopic lenses (in addition to the main 48 MPx lens).
2. Super Slow motion recording at greater than 240 fps (up to 960 fps). Even lower phones like the Honor View 20 have it already!
Would love to buy the phone if both of these are assured in future updates!
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Hi Oppo Forum,
After using a Nokia Lumia 1020 for over 5 years, I had been on the look out for a good camera phone (something that can come close to the 1020 legend but not cost a bomb). Almost decided on the Oppo Reno 10x Zoom as it is an attractive package! However based on my research, I know some camera functionality is missing for now. Keen to know if it will come in a software update. These are:
1. Video recording using the Wide Angle and Telescopic lenses (in addition to the main 48 MPx lens).
2. Super Slow motion recording at greater than 240 fps (up to 960 fps). Even lower phones like the Honor View 20 have it already!
Would love to buy the phone if both of these are assured in future updates!
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Nope
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Nope
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So no chance then?
BTW, read somewhere that video works on the Telephoto Lens. Is that the case?
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So no chance then?
BTW, read somewhere that video works on the Telephoto Lens. Is that the case?
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In beta Android 10 update added 5x for video but is working with main camera. Where do you read that?
tsoureki said:
In beta Android 10 update added 5x for video but is working with main camera. Where do you read that?
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On this site itself: https://www.xda-developers.com/oppo-reno-10x-zoom-review/
"Unfortunately, OPPO doesn’t allow users to record videos with the ultra-wide-angle camera. Videos can be recorded with the telephoto camera, but again, the 125mm focal length limits the usefulness of this option."
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Glifford said:
Hi Oppo Forum,
After using a Nokia Lumia 1020 for over 5 years, I had been on the look out for a good camera phone (something that can come close to the 1020 legend but not cost a bomb). Almost decided on the Oppo Reno 10x Zoom as it is an attractive package! However based on my research, I know some camera functionality is missing for now. Keen to know if it will come in a software update. These are:
1. Video recording using the Wide Angle and Telescopic lenses (in addition to the main 48 MPx lens).
2. Super Slow motion recording at greater than 240 fps (up to 960 fps). Even lower phones like the Honor View 20 have it already!
Would love to buy the phone if both of these are assured in future updates!
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The phone's camera is a beast in my opinion (ask any other user) and about the slow-mo, the phone can do 480 fps at 720p and 960fps in lower phones are interpolated fake frames and not real 960fps. The camera itself should have inbuilt cache memory to capture such 960fps and imx586 in the oppo , OnePlus 7 and redmi k20 pro doesn't have it. The redmi k20 pro can do 960fps but interpolated frames and it looks bad.(I tested it personally).