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Hi guys, I've had my Mi5 for almost a week and have been using it non-stop as my daily. Here's my full review video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SQCJNFdtE It covers everything from the build, camera, benchmarks, GPS, charging time and gaming.
Overall it's not a bad phone considering the price and the power Snapdragon 820 you get. A premium build and one of the better 1080p screens I've seen. But it's ultimately let down with a disappointing camera. Doesn't live up to 4 Axis & Xiaomi marketing hype machine. 4k video is full of artifacts and the focus is all over the place at times.
Still gaming it will play everything at 60 fps, super smooth and the battery can give over 7 hours of OST. I do like the size build and feel of it.
Pros:
Very good at benchmarks
Super smooth gaming
Doesn't seem to throttle or get too hot.
Preium build quality
Excellent audio output, both 3.5mm and loudspeaker.
Cheap for a Snapdragon 820 mobile
Great front camera in good light*
One of the better 1080p screens I've seen. Super bright at 565 nits max brightness. (Not quite the claimed 600 nits)
Cons:
GPS performance is quite poor for a flagship. Won't lock on and use GLONASS sats
The camera is disappointing. Not up to flagship spec when recording video
Camera struggles with focus at times and in low light
Front camera drops frames in low light and video is choppy due to this
Very slippery build. I have almost dropped it countless times (Skin or case needed)
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4k Video samples:
Not maasively fussed on camera performance tbh.
Other points are valid. Although not 100% on build quality just yet. The left side of my rear case is ever so slightly raised off the front and it's bothering me.
It's a lonnnnng trip back to China for a replacement!
Here's a clip of the Mi5 running Antutu 6 Vs my Galaxy S7 Edge and Redmi Note 3 Pro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UhVrlMCDQ
It gets close to 140,000 points which is very decent.
Hey, what kernel version does the mi5 use eg 3.10, 3.16, 3.18?
Thanks
I've been hugely disappointed with the Mi5. I got it the day after release and it just hasn't felt right. I came from a Mi Note, which has probably been the best phone I've ever had. Perfect size in my opinion and everything works perfect.
The Mi5 has a strange size and the even more curved/rounded back just doesn't feel good in the hand. It's far too curved. It should have been more like the Mi Note. I don't feel comfortable holding it without a grippier case.
Despite the Mi Note having a Snapdragon 801, the SD 820, in my opinion doesn't offer a huge difference in speed and normal everyday tasks like browsing, reading news, listening to music and watching videos and the odd game.
The finger print sensor is ok, but I think the round sensor on the Redmi Note 3 is superior. It looks ugly on the Mi5 I think.
The camera is speedy, yes. But so was the Mi Note camera. The quality is not noticeable in my eyes. And the 4 axis OIS is just a big gimmick.
Haven't been this disappointed with a phone since I last used an iPhone haha.
Im always using a silicone case with my phones.. GPS is fast i cant complain here.
The camera is very good in Daylight, bad at dark places.. i tried to adjust with manual settings but so far not really successful.
Samsung and LG has longer experiences in building Cameras or Mobile Phones, so don`t expect too much in Dark places.
But one thing i like, is the price-value in Xiaomi devices which is good.
Xiaomi mi5 is it new make?
Xiaomi has created U.S. wait AN awfully lasting for a successor to the Mi four, and, thankfully, we've got not been saddened. The Mi five offers a chic and applied science unibody style and guarantees high performance, due to its flower 820 processor and Adreno GPU.
Marshmallow, along side Xiaomi’s MIUI interface, ensures a high degree of customization choices. The fingerprint scanner and NFC are each valuable additions, enhancing user expertise.
The device’s processor, battery and camera, on paper, area unit promising, and a radical check within the close to future can ensure the extent of the Mi 5’s talents. I would like to say its looming Android Smartphones in India
Hendrickson said:
Hi guys, I've had my Mi5 for almost a week and have been using it non-stop as my daily. Here's my full review video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SQCJNFdtE It covers everything from the build, camera, benchmarks, GPS, charging time and gaming.
Overall it's not a bad phone considering the price and the power Snapdragon 820 you get. A premium build and one of the better 1080p screens I've seen. But it's ultimately let down with a disappointing camera. Doesn't live up to 4 Axis & Xiaomi marketing hype machine. 4k video is full of artifacts and the focus is all over the place at times.
Still gaming it will play everything at 60 fps, super smooth and the battery can give over 7 hours of OST. I do like the size build and feel of it.
Pros:
Very good at benchmarks
Super smooth gaming
Doesn't seem to throttle or get too hot.
Preium build quality
Excellent audio output, both 3.5mm and loudspeaker.
Cheap for a Snapdragon 820 mobile
Great front camera in good light*
One of the better 1080p screens I've seen. Super bright at 565 nits max brightness. (Not quite the claimed 600 nits)
Cons:
GPS performance is quite poor for a flagship. Won't lock on and use GLONASS sats
The camera is disappointing. Not up to flagship spec when recording video
Camera struggles with focus at times and in low light
Front camera drops frames in low light and video is choppy due to this
Very slippery build. I have almost dropped it countless times (Skin or case needed)
Camera samples:
4k Video samples:
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Which xiaomi mi5 you have? 32 or 64?
tango007 said:
Xiaomi has created U.S. wait AN awfully lasting for a successor to the Mi four, and, thankfully, we've got not been saddened. The Mi five offers a chic and applied science unibody style and guarantees high performance, due to its flower 820 processor and Adreno GPU.
Marshmallow, along side Xiaomi’s MIUI interface, ensures a high degree of customization choices. The fingerprint scanner and NFC are each valuable additions, enhancing user expertise.
The device’s processor, battery and camera, on paper, area unit promising, and a radical check within the close to future can ensure the extent of the Mi 5’s talents. I would like to say its looming Android Smartphones in India
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Thanks for good description!
I'm looking forward to switch from S6 Edge to the Mi5, because I started to hate Samsung (mainly because of their software)...
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I'm looking forward to switch from S6 Edge to the Mi5, because I started to hate Samsung (mainly because of their software)...
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The camera on the Mi 5 won't be as good as the S6! (Not saying it is bad on the Mi 5. Just prepare yourself)
Why this: Samsung puts pretty nice cameras in phones and has good software behind it. It's hard to challenge Samsungs position in this matter. (For most brands.)
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The camera on the Mi 5 won't be as good as the S6! (Not saying it is bad on the Mi 5. Just prepare yourself)
Why this: Samsung puts pretty nice cameras in phones and has good software behind it. It's hard to challenge Samsungs position in this matter. (For most brands.)
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Yeah I just thought so. But I fortunately don't feel myself beeing a hobby photographer, so it's an issue I can deal with.
Either way Xiaomi will surely release some updates to the Mi5 camera as the OIS has some pretty big bugs.
And because the Mi5 is much cheaper, I can tinker with it. I will most likely try to fit a QI receiver inside on the 1st day (and post the results).
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Yeah I just thought so. But I fortunately don't feel myself beeing a hobby photographer, so it's an issue I can deal with.
Either way Xiaomi will surely release some updates to the Mi5 camera as the OIS has some pretty big bugs.
And because the Mi5 is much cheaper, I can tinker with it. I will most likely try to fit a QI receiver inside on the 1st day (and post the results).
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I have just received my mi5 having come from an s6. I havent done a comparison of the camera just yet but initial shots look very good on the mi5. Again I am no photographer so just casual snaps, which are fine on the mi5.
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I have just received my mi5 having come from an s6. I havent done a comparison of the camera just yet but initial shots look very good on the mi5. Again I am no photographer so just casual snaps, which are fine on the mi5.
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Thanks skoobee. If you can post a couple of low light shots of the two devices, I'll be very grateful.
Apparently gsmarena, unlike every other reviewer, has found a very mature camera performance.
I will try and do that in the next day or two. I have to say I am extremely impressed with the mi5. I was a little worried about signal strength in my house as on the s6 is very very poor and I have to use Wi-Fi calling. With the mi5 I can't use Wi-Fi calling but I don't need to. The signal is about twice that of the s6 but the clarity is so much better is unbelievable (even better than s6 on Wi-Fi calling)
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Which xiaomi mi5 you have? 32 or 64?
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seems good quality video!
I've had no issues at all with 4K video, smooth and jitter free...
And my girlfriend who has been using an S6 for over a year immediately found the Mi 5 camera far superior.
1080p display.... a bit disappointing.,...
I don't see 1080p as a negative. The DPI is 400+, is probably higher than the human eye can see anyway, and higher PPI is sacrificed for better battery life. I find it a bit PPI and mpixel chased a bit strange, especially when our computer monitor 24"+ is typically 1080p. I prefer thing such as quick charge 3.0 and usb c type as the most important things. Coming from HTC - king of bloatware that can't be removed without root, I am looking forward to sleek a Xiaomi
I've got both at the moment. But one has to go.
So I'm a bit torn between which is the better option, what do you guys think?
On the one hand, the Pixel:
- No LED
- No Wifi calling (certainly not for Three UK)
- 'Pixel' navigation (I'm just not used to it, I know traditional can be re-enabled via ADB - but can you just use a new launcher?)
- No facial recognition (This feature is particularly good on the Mate 20 Pro)
- Smaller battery
- Single camera (but I'm not sure this is an issue)
- No Pro camera options
- Bigger notch than the Mate 20 pro
However:
- Clean Android
- gets quickest updates
- No stupid background killing processes - this in particular is annoying and takes some configuration to get things working right on the Mate 20 Pro
- Excellent night camera
- Good fingerprint sensor. It's crap on the Mate 20 Pro.
- It doesn't have the curved edges like the Mate 20 Pro - but I'm not sure I even like them.
SD845 vs Kirin 980.
Anything else I'm missing? Any thoughts or opinions?
i really really hate emui, and love stock android , butt the hardware on the mate 20 is just kicking some p3 xl ass.......
I don't like the design of the Pixel, the notch is unnecessarily deep, what's going on with the weird glass design on the back and I don't like rear fingerprint readers.
The night mode on the M20P is fine for me and I've always a phone with a decent macro mode.
Yes there are some niggles with the M20P but I'm using a different launcher and fluid gestures and am happy with how I've got it set up.
It all depends on what you value the most.
On paper they're pretty equal in terms of camera performance.
I like my phones to last tho, I can charge this phone and not charge it for 2 days sometimes 3 (if it's light use). Yes, emui is hated by many, I just use nova launcher, debloated this phone with adb and now it's the best phone I've ever owned.
The battery life and camera are fantastic, reverse wireless charge saved a few mates of mine and if you're running low on juice you just charge it for about 15 minutes to half an hour and you got juice for a day.
Also, face unlock works like a charm for me.
The notch doesn't bother me, I don't even notice it most of the times.
Performance wise there isn't a faster phone atm, it's pretty much as fast as the op6t.
The only true difference would be the android updates, but coming from a mate 9 which still gets its security updates I wouldn't stress about it that much.
My first phone mate9 4+32, battery storage is not enough to change the Honor 10, the National Day was stolen, support for a month and other mate20pro. I don't know much about other brands, so this post will not be discussed.
Before I bought it, I was still hesitant to be choose a magic or a Honor edition. After all, the price difference was more than a little, and the two mobile phones had their own advantages. After the release of the foreign country, I went to the experience store and touched it, and suddenly fell. I have to say that the Honor user played mate20pro is without any resistance, the whole devices feel, weight, integrity and technology sense are impeccable, a feeling of elegant. At that time, I booked the Jade green pro 8+256 UD directly in the experience store. I didn’t have any plans to buy the 6+128 version. It’s worth more than a thousand teeth.
At that time, the most controversial Arrangement lens was actually not ugly, and even had some good-looking (maybe my aesthetic was raped). The high recognition can be said to be an advantage, and a ball can be recognized.
In terms of appearance, everyone knows the combination of Samsung and Apple. I have been tangled for a long time, but I am finally get used to it. The structured light is really convenient. not to mention the unlocking. Pro-test grimace tongue can be used on the flat screen, the mask can not be solved, and the nose must be leaked at least. On the back, the back is very good, and the reason for the reservation is not hesitant because of the back panel, the texture of the small lines is too comfortable. Huawei's previous mate and p series can be described as ugly, unlike the p20 youth color, mate20 is stable and beautiful, The curvature of the frame in the side curved screen is particularly cool and feels better than my Samsung. After using it for so long, I still haven’t looked tired, and I am very satisfied with the overall appearance (except for Norch).
In terms of battery life, the factory version is particularly good, and it is used heavily for one and a half days. The current 176 version is also good, second only to the factory version. But the middle version update is too bad, you have to charge it in one day. Charging is also first-class, 40w gets me flying, you plug in, do something, it is full . It is estimated that it is not possible to return to the 18w charge. When the new machine is charged, there is still some high temp. The upper right corner is a little hot. It is estimated to be 50 degrees. The power adapter is also very hot. I am worried that it is not a problem device. The result will be fine. It is estimated that Huawei’s theory of metaphysics . Now, no matter whether it is used or charged, there has never been a case of overheating. It is estimated that the hottest time is only 40 degrees, and winter can't warm up.
In terms of performance, the 980 is really strong. I haven’t met stuck in two months, and it even goes a bit more faster. krin980 is really worthy.
I too have both (and a Note 9) and there are lots of pros and cons on both sides for me though being able to expand the storage on the Mate is the clincher, 128gb on the 3XL is just about enough but does require some managing, on the Mate or any other phone with expandable storage it is a non-issue.
Hello
here's a question for owners of Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
Having made experience with it, and knowing what you know, would you buy a Xiaomi Mi Note 10 today?
I ask because I'm about to change smartphone and I'm leaning towards the Mi Note 10.
Looks a solid pick to me; I especially like the Camera and the presence of OIS.
I don't like the fact that the storage can't be expanded, but I've been living constrained within 32 GB with a Huawei P9 for the last 4 and a half years... don't think it'll be much worse within 128 GB.
Everything else about the Mi Note 10 --> I don't know.
How is the skin? Does it have the features you want? What about bugs?
Does the phone heat during usage? If so, when? My P9 would heat quickly while using the Camera.
Keeping the screen On for a good while (browsing, or a long chat...) would also heat my phone.
What about the AMOLED panel? Anything I should know about it? My P9 got an IPS, I never had OLED tech to play with.
How is the Camera software? The P9's is lovely, letting me choose ISO, shutter speed, EV, AutoFocus mode, white balance...
Does the Mi Note 10 have a professional mode?
What about the software updates? Does Xiaomi make them frequently?
Please share your opinion on this device and tell me why you would buy it again today.
And also why you wouldn't.
Thank you
Umb0 said:
Hello
here's a question for owners of Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
Having made experience with it, and knowing what you know, would you buy a Xiaomi Mi Note 10 today?
I ask because I'm about to change smartphone and I'm leaning towards the Mi Note 10.
Looks a solid pick to me; I especially like the Camera and the presence of OIS.
I don't like the fact that the storage can't be expanded, but I've been living constrained within 32 GB with a Huawei P9 for the last 4 and a half years... don't think it'll be much worse within 128 GB.
Everything else about the Mi Note 10 --> I don't know.
How is the skin? Does it have the features you want? What about bugs?
Does the phone heat during usage? If so, when? My P9 would heat quickly while using the Camera.
Keeping the screen On for a good while (browsing, or a long chat...) would also heat my phone.
What about the AMOLED panel? Anything I should know about it? My P9 got an IPS, I never had OLED tech to play with.
How is the Camera software? The P9's is lovely, letting me choose ISO, shutter speed, EV, AutoFocus mode, white balance...
Does the Mi Note 10 have a professional mode?
What about the software updates? Does Xiaomi make them frequently?
Please share your opinion on this device and tell me why you would buy it again today.
And also why you wouldn't.
Thank you
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I saw you reposted your question somewhere else, so I'm reposting mine answer too
Well, mate. Simple answer to your question would be: probably yes. I'll explain this "probably" bit later
At first, I've been using stock MIUI ROM only for one week. I've instantly applied for unlocking bootloader in order to flash Xiaomi.eu, which is a debloated version of MIUI with some improvements. I think it improves an overall performance a little bit. There are some other custom ROMs available for tucana, based on AOSP, but I prefer to stay with MIUI at the moment.
1) Camera: It's really good, but it could be even better with better SoC In my opinion, it is bit too weak at least for the huge main lens. Sometimes it lags, but it's not absolutely bad though. The pics quality is really good. Especially huge main lens gives bright, clear photos, it shines most in the night/low light scenarios. Even better with GCam. OIS is an excellent addon. Tele lenses are good enough, wide angle as well. Macro lens is only 2mpx and it is useful for me only when I need to take a photo of a very close object (1-2 cm), but quality is rather poor. But surprisingly, you can take very good macro pictures with wide angle lens
Just one thing: main lens isn't very good for macro shots. Because of its size, it can blur edges of the objects. But for landscapes and people it's just perfect.
There is a PRO mode with EV correction, exposure time, focus and white balance manual sliders. You can get additional features like long exposure, cloninig and stickers with a Magisk module (they are present on stock in Mi Note 10 pro).
Overall, I would give 8 out of 10 as for camera experience.
2) Storage: 128GB is more than enough for me. My previous device was Redmi Note 4 with 32GB plus 16BG on SD card and I managed as well. If you keep your device reasonably clean, I dont think there is much to worry. I sync my photos with Google Photos, so I can delete them from storage later. The only minor inconvenience is that when I want to/have to make factory reset (granted, most people dont do it often ), I have to copy files from internal storage to USB rather than keep them on SD card. But I can live with that.
3) Skin: I've always liked MIUI, so I'm satisfied. Stock features are ok, although I always like to customize my device as much as possible, so I root it and use Xposed Framework. But this is mainly matter of personal preferences. MIUI is heavy skin though, so it can explain occasional lags and little worse battery life than you could expect from >5000mAh battery. It's not absolutely bad though, I can easily use the phone more than one day with moderate usage (I don't play games).
I didn't notice much heating during usage, although as I mentioned, I'm not a gamer It heats a bit only when turbo charging, but it's not unusual.
3) AMOLED screen: Perfect for me. Nothing to complain about. Some people doesn't like rounded edges, I don't mind. Quality is excellent. OLED gives inifinite contrast, so black is totally black (because unused pixels are just turned off). Highest brightness is high enought to see everything even in sunlight (this is the biggest advantage over LCD). And you can use Always-on Display - I like this feature a lot.
4) Software: With stock ROM, as far as I know, updates are not that rare, but not very frequent too. The phone just got official Android 11 and since it started with A9, it's probably last major update (but probably will be getting new MIUI longer). I use weekly beta and I have A11 for some time already Actually there is one annoyance with MIUI based on A11: permissions and restrictions. You have to manually grant almost all permissions and with those more sensitive, you have to wait 10 seconds until the system lets you to grant it. It drives me crazy but fortunately, you have to do it only once Generally, MIUI A11 performes just ok.
So, despite those minor shortcomings, I would probably buy this phone again. I had limited budget and it was within my range. But if you can afford, I'd recommend to consider Mi Note 10 Pro. It has more powerful SoC and that can make a difference.
If you'd like to know something more, I can tell you Cheers!
It's nice of you to share, thanks
(and, sorry for having you chase me on this other thread )
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So, despite those minor shortcomings, I would probably buy this phone again. I had limited budget and it was within my range. But if you can afford, I'd recommend to consider Mi Note 10 Pro. It has more powerful SoC and that can make a difference.
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My budget wouldn't quite afford me a Mi Note 10, but I'm willing to shell an extra for this phone.
The Mi Note 10 Pro is far above my limit, instead. Will prices drop once the Mi 11 hits the market?
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I'd happily buy a mid-range should I find one that takes proper photos without a metric ton of postprocessing to mask a cheap sensor. Even some flagships of today leave much to be desired here [...]
If you got recommendations, feel free to tell -in PM if they're OT here-.
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You say that the Mi Note 10 Pro has better SoC over the Mi Note 10, but the two units should be identical save for RAM/Storage GB (6/128 vs. 8/256). Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean?
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If you'd like to know something more, I can tell you Cheers!
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Yes, I forgot to ask about the fingerprint sensor!
I'm spoiled by the phenomenal one on the Huawei P9.
I'm an EMT and wear non-trasparent lattice gloves most of the time and yet the P9's sensor recognizes my fingerprint without issues. Gloves on, just press on the sensor a tiny bit harder --> it unlocks lightning fast as always.
How good is the Mi Note 10's fingerprint sensor, instead?
As for the software...
I don't make rooting. Bricking an expensive device taugh me a lesson, and I decided to stick to OTA and stock software as much as I can. Should stock MIUI be somewhat heavy, I'll live with it.
But it doesn't hurt to know things in advance, so thank you
Another question:
Is there some kind of Secure Folder in MIUI? I mean an encrypted storage protected by password/fingerprint.
Thank you again.
I'd like to hear more on the Mi Note 10...
Umb0 said:
It's nice of you to share, thanks
(and, sorry for having you chase me on this other thread )
My budget wouldn't quite afford me a Mi Note 10, but I'm willing to shell an extra for this phone.
The Mi Note 10 Pro is far above my limit, instead. Will prices drop once the Mi 11 hits the market?
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I'd happily buy a mid-range should I find one that takes proper photos without a metric ton of postprocessing to mask a cheap sensor. Even some flagships of today leave much to be desired here [...]
If you got recommendations, feel free to tell -in PM if they're OT here-.
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You say that the Mi Note 10 Pro has better SoC over the Mi Note 10, but the two units should be identical save for RAM/Storage GB (6/128 vs. 8/256). Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean?
Yes, I forgot to ask about the fingerprint sensor!
I'm spoiled by the phenomenal one on the Huawei P9.
I'm an EMT and wear non-trasparent lattice gloves most of the time and yet the P9's sensor recognizes my fingerprint without issues. Gloves on, just press on the sensor a tiny bit harder --> it unlocks lightning fast as always.
How good is the Mi Note 10's fingerprint sensor, instead?
As for the software...
I don't make rooting. Bricking an expensive device taugh me a lesson, and I decided to stick to OTA and stock software as much as I can. Should stock MIUI be somewhat heavy, I'll live with it.
But it doesn't hurt to know things in advance, so thank you
Another question:
Is there some kind of Secure Folder in MIUI? I mean an encrypted storage protected by password/fingerprint.
Thank you again.
I'd like to hear more on the Mi Note 10...
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Sorry, my bad, you are right - Mi Note 10 and Mi Note 10 Pro have the same chipset. I must remembered it wrong. But another options you might consider are:
1) Mi Note 10 Lite: The same chipset and bit less equiped with cameras than regular Mi Note 10, but as I know from reviews, people praise photos quality as well. There is no 108mpx camera, but I must admit - it's a bit overrated. It consumes much power, but in practice I use the full resolution very rarely. It's not really neccessary in real life. Lite version has 48mpx and it's probably sufficient. And no blurry macros from main lens Amoled screen present as well and the prices should be considerably lower.
2) Mi 10T: If you don't care about Amoled that much (personally I care ). It has high screen refresh rate, so user experience should be really fluent. Supported by powerful chipset. I don't know much about cameras, you would have to watch some reviews. And I don't know about prices...
3) Mi 9T/Mi 9T Pro: I'm not sure they are still available, but they were among the best Xiaomi devices up to date. Mi 9T Pro has more powerful chipset, but is more expensive obvioulsy. Both have Amoled screen, good photo quality, no notch. The latter can be advantage or disadvantage, depending on what do you expect (selfie lens pop up automatically). I was considering Mi 9T seriously until Mi Note 10 appeared
As for Mi Note 10's fingerprint: It's ok. I wouldn't call it phenomenal though. When the screen is active (I mean on lock screen or in the secured app login screen) it works pretty fast. But it's noticeably slower on Always-on Display - I have to hold my finger a little bit longer to get unlocked. Alternatively, I use face unlock. It's standard on MIUI. I know its less secure, but Im not that scared And my enviroment is relatively safe. Face unlock works really fast.
There are tools to secure your data and apps. I just use app lock for one app with my passwords, and I checked you can secure any folder in the file manager.
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Thanks for the tip, that was a revelation!
I've had the Mi Note 10 for just over a year, and I'd buy it again. The stock camera sometimes over-processes/saturates greens in landscapes, but it's not a deal-breaker. The portrait mode can produce some excellent pics. I've occasionally tried Gcam mods, but the stock camera is good enough most of the time.
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Sorry, my bad, you are right - Mi Note 10 and Mi Note 10 Pro have the same chipset. I must remembered it wrong. But another options you might consider are:
1) Mi Note 10 Lite: The same chipset and bit less equiped with cameras than regular Mi Note 10, but as I know from reviews, people praise photos quality as well. There is no 108mpx camera, but I must admit - it's a bit overrated. It consumes much power, but in practice I use the full resolution very rarely. It's not really neccessary in real life. Lite version has 48mpx and it's probably sufficient. And no blurry macros from main lens Amoled screen present as well and the prices should be considerably lower.
2) Mi 10T: If you don't care about Amoled that much (personally I care ). It has high screen refresh rate, so user experience should be really fluent. Supported by powerful chipset. I don't know much about cameras, you would have to watch some reviews. And I don't know about prices...
3) Mi 9T/Mi 9T Pro: I'm not sure they are still available, but they were among the best Xiaomi devices up to date. Mi 9T Pro has more powerful chipset, but is more expensive obvioulsy. Both have Amoled screen, good photo quality, no notch. The latter can be advantage or disadvantage, depending on what do you expect (selfie lens pop up automatically). I was considering Mi 9T seriously until Mi Note 10 appeared
As for Mi Note 10's fingerprint: It's ok. I wouldn't call it phenomenal though. When the screen is active (I mean on lock screen or in the secured app login screen) it works pretty fast. But it's noticeably slower on Always-on Display - I have to hold my finger a little bit longer to get unlocked. Alternatively, I use face unlock. It's standard on MIUI. I know its less secure, but Im not that scared And my enviroment is relatively safe. Face unlock works really fast.
There are tools to secure your data and apps. I just use app lock for one app with my passwords, and I checked you can secure any folder in the file manager.
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The more I look at the pics the Mi Note 10 can take, the more I'm set to it.
I was looking at the Mi 10T too.
I may buy it or the Mi Note 10 for the same price right now.
Speaking for myself, the Mi 10T sports a number of features that I don't find useful or even valuable, but I'd have to pay for nonetheless.
5G support is a pink invisible unicorn in my Country, at least for a good while. 4G devices are perfect.
The high Hz panel is a battery drain I don't need. You want 144 Hz? The chip must compose and present each. Talking of a... *mumbling* some quick math... 60:100=144:x ... x=144*100/60 ... x=240%... umm, talking of a +140% workload increase over a 60 Hz panel. No thanks!
The SoC is also powerful. Perhaps too much? My P9 runs 4x @ 2.5 and 4x @ 1.8 GHz cores. I can tell you it drains the battery quickly. I value more a slower chip that won't drink energy like beer.
Then there's the IPS vs. AMOLED thing... I've been living with IPS for the last 4.5 years and I appreciate it, but in total darkness the grey fog where black should be is gonna make you wish you chose differently.
Last, but not least, I have no samples to compare the Cameras against other devices. I'm sure that the Camera department has been shrunk to contain the production costs. It also lacks OIS, which I want this time around
As for the Lite versions... they were all in my radar. But none has OIS, and their photos always show artifacts from lot of Post-Processing (PP) to enhance the details. Sure, every phone does PP, but there's a reason if the more expensive devices don't need as much PP as the midrangers.
Camera wise, the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 is something! It's also modern and doesn't cost me a fortune
What I'm not thrilled about are the panel's rounded edges. Will get used to 'em, but I don't dig the change.
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Spoiler: 33 Hours Later (a true story)...
I'll just edit this in, hoping it's not against forum rules.
This afternoon I went to buy the smartphone. I could hardly believe to have found it so close to home (6 km) and at such a low price (349 €). And it was not from some minuscule shop nobody heard of, but in a Shopping Center and from none other than... um, I'm not sure I can name them.
(Open...
But I can reveal that it's a 2-words name, each word starting with M and each 5 characters long.
In their ads a capital red M character is also the omnipresent 3D object appearing in place of whatever the advertized product is.
Funny how they use their original name in all Europe, but in my Country alone they operate under a different name (always starting with M. Also, the ads copy the same graphics as the german originals).
... closed)
Anyway...
When I go at the counter, the surprises begin. They have 6 units total available and each box is NOT sealed, each phone has a protective film applied ALREADY, and there's a hidden EXTRA cost of 24 € for the "service", in addition to the price stated online.
I couldn't believe my ears as the clerk explained this stuff.
I asked if the phones were returned products or even refurbished, for none of this was explained or hinted at, online.
Heed his words: he didn't say they were "new" or "not refurbished", he said they were "not damaged products"!
Yeah, right...
I said this to him: "You can't prove your claim since the boxes are open. Keep your pre-applied protective films. For 350 euros I buy a sealed box covered by full warranty. You have one ready now, or I go away".
He mumbled: "I'm sorry" while turning at his monitor -- couldn't sustain my stare.
I didn't buy online to reserve the merchandise.
I could do so up until midnight yesterday, but waited too much and lost the opportunity (for reason unknown the merchandise went Unavailable for the time being).
Lady Luck herself made me miss the deal -- thank you thank you thank you!
Had I bought online, now it'd be trouble because... 1) I wouldn't get my money back (they'd give me a time-limited voucher valid in their shops only, but they got nothing I want) and... 2) to retrieve my merchandise at the counter I'd be charged the hidden 24 € -- else I wouldn't walk away with my property. Believe, it's all true!
I wonder what would have been sent me if I purchased online and chose to have it delivered home, and shudder at the idea of receiving a refurbished unit sold for pristine.
This thought is further strengthened by the customer reviews found on the website. Two reviews only, the last one from December 2020 saying that he "likes the Mi Note 10 but is disappointed by the lame touch display and fingerprint sensor".
From all accounts the Mi Note 10 doesn't mount lame hardware. I believe that this guy was sold a refurbished unit and he doesn't suspect it. He also praised the low price of the Mi Note 10. Sounds like he got a device from the lot I was presented today.
This is plain Commercial Misbehavior
[SMALL UPDATE]
In the end I bought the smartphone, at another shop, for another price.
I opted to have it delivered at the very shop, because it's near home and I'd go retrieve it myself.
Why use a courier when the shop is a mere 3 km from home -- right?
The package will arrive in two days from now, that is: the coming Monday... however I won't be able to retrieve it because starting with Monday we're in Lockdown and all shops will be closed. Until March 29th.
Covid sucks in every way
Hello K40 Pro / Mi11X Pro Users,
I am planning to Buy K40 Pro 8GB 256 GB Variant within few days. I play PUBG regularly. Also I love photography. I have seen some people are saying that K40 Pro heats a lots, specially on PUBG HDR Gaming or Camera App.
Is that True ?
Thank You Very Much.
I would love to listen to your K40 Pro / Mi 11i / Mi 11X Pro experience.
If you play heavy graphic game like genshij impact or crank up the graphic of some game to the max then the heating issue is real. After all only the gaming phone like rog 5 or magic 6 could handle the heating issue of the 888 on heavy game.
AveyBD said:
Hello K40 Pro / Mi11X Pro Users,
I am planning to Buy K40 8GB 256 GB Variant within few days. I play PUBG regularly. Also I love photography. I have seen some people are saying that K40 Pro heats a lots, specially on PUBG HDR Gaming or Camera App.
Is that True ?
Thank You Very Much.
I would love to listen to your K40 Pro / Mi 11i / Mi 11X Pro experience.
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Use it for a full week and seem like there're no Heating issue with my device.
no heating issue with hdr pubg very smooth for longer time
makiothekid said:
Use it for a full week and seem like there're no Heating issue with my device.
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Do you play heavy games ???
Blezi said:
If you play heavy graphic game like genshij impact or crank up the graphic of some game to the max then the heating issue is real. After all only the gaming phone like rog 5 or magic 6 could handle the heating issue of the 888 on heavy game.
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I will not play heavy games too much. May be PUBG for one hour in Smooth Extreme . Will it make the phone heated ?
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no heating issue with hdr pubg very smooth for longer time
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Thank you very much for clearing my confusion
AveyBD said:
Thank you very much for clearing my confusion
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Yeah just because of bloatware and background process eating cpu constantly so disable or delete them completely with root then no heating issue at all
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Do you play heavy games ???
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I play Arena of valor at max setting 122hz, watch youtube for hours.
Any Indian website that resells the Mi 11X Pro? I've already tried Big Brother Google, no positive results...
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Yeah just because of bloatware and background process eating cpu constantly so disable or delete them completely with root then no heating issue at all
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What exactly did you disable? I had the K40 Pro Plus and dumped it (was running Xiaomi.eu and planned to dev a kernel for it) but it would heat up just downloading apps, pretty much anything I did on it would make the entire top half of the device "cook." I put a temperature gun to it and it was ridiculous how high it got. The only thing that worked was putting a radiator cooler on it, and well, I really couldn't stand carrying around a radiator fan and a USB-C cable with me just so the phone wouldn't overheat. Back to my Op8T since just curious what you disabled to remove the heat.
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What exactly did you disable? I had the K40 Pro Plus and dumped it (was running Xiaomi.eu and planned to dev a kernel for it) but it would heat up just downloading apps, pretty much anything I did on it would make the entire top half of the device "cook." I put a temperature gun to it and it was ridiculous how high it got. The only thing that worked was putting a radiator cooler on it, and well, I really couldn't stand carrying around a radiator fan and a USB-C cable with me just so the phone wouldn't overheat. Back to my Op8T since just curious what you disabled to remove the heat.
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EDIT: And to answer your question, some discussed disabling NFC by removing its components in order to stop the heating while using the .EU builds.
To be fair, I have been criticizing the recent choices of smartphone makers, and I feel like the latest one (plastic frames) made the issue with the SD888 even worse.
My K20 Pro (and many other flagships before 2021) heats up while under heavy use, but it dissipates the heat thanks to its aluminum frame (and it, although not as much and jokingly, can use one's hands as "water cooling" thanks to the blood flow).
I usually don't like people who mumble about conspiracies, but this trend feels like a slippery slope (it feels like the manufacturers are slowly "testing" which BS they can shove down the customers' throats without backlash).
First the headphone jack, then the notch (while there was a pop-up mechanism as an alternative, people complain how it's a moving part but aren't aware that a replacement is up to around 20$), then the "environmentally-friendly" lack of a charger in flagships and now the use of plastic.
But the price gets higher and the value stagnates or actually gets traded off.
I considered buying the Mi 11i but then I saw all the cases of overheating. Then I thought "well, the OnePlus 9 costs at least 200$ more here, it will probably have a metal frame and better thermals if they want you to pay so much". But lo and behold, it also has a plastic frame and to "cover" that, they capped the in-game fps to 60 so people wouldn't see the mess that the SD888 is.
I am honestly appalled by the fact that there are so many phones released by Xiaomi this year but not a single one is an optimal choice.
The Redmi Note 10 Pro has a good screen and a 108MP camera but its CPU is mediocre and it can't record beyond [email protected]
The Poco F3 has a great CPU that doesn't overheat but has the same 48MP camera as my Redmi K20 Pro while officially only supporting [email protected] (while the K20 Pro shoots [email protected] from the get go, and I know GCam lets you enforce [email protected] on the F3 but that's just an improvisation).
The Mi11i has a 108MP camera but its CPU overheats due to the incompetence of Xiaomi and Qualcomm when it comes to thermal design.
And the Mi 11 has a curved, IMO overkill 1440p screen (I dislike curved screens as someone who owned a Galaxy S9+, and I can say the same about 1440p smartphone screens), a 108MP camera but an unattractive design and an even higher price tag.
My point:
For the same reasons you mentioned (and more), I am going to steer clear of the SD888, and am buying the Poco F3 instead of the Mi 11i since the price here is 200$ lower, there is an active development for it and because my K20 Pro is damaged and dying.
Yet it's frustrating how there are so many new phones nowadays but none can provide what I want without having to pay as much as for a goddamn gaming laptop(which I didn't have to do 2 years ago when I bought an "all-screen" phone with a headphone jack, flagship processor with decent thermals, an aluminium frame and a decent camera for 400$ - the Redmi K20 Pro).
2 years later, you pretty much trade a 60Hz screen for 120Hz and a metal frame for a plastic one (and thus potentially worse thermals) while losing the headphone jack and getting a hole blown through the screen for a selfie camera one uses maybe twice a day on average (unless their self-esteem is so low that they need their ego stroked every hour in the form of liked selfies).
To each their own, but nowadays it feels like there is less of a "choice" while buying a phone, and rather a matter of "picking the less disappointing option".
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EDIT: And to answer your question, some discussed disabling NFC by removing its components in order to stop the heating while using the .EU builds.
To be fair, I have been criticizing the recent choices of smartphone makers, and I feel like the latest one (plastic frames) made the issue with the SD888 even worse.
My K20 Pro (and many other flagships before 2021) heats up while under heavy use, but it dissipates the heat thanks to its aluminum frame (and it, although not as much and jokingly, can use one's hands as "water cooling" thanks to the blood flow).
I usually don't like people who mumble about conspiracies, but this trend feels like a slippery slope (it feels like the manufacturers are slowly "testing" which BS they can shove down the customers' throats without backlash).
First the headphone jack, then the notch (while there was a pop-up mechanism as an alternative, people complain how it's a moving part but aren't aware that a replacement is up to around 20$), then the "environmentally-friendly" lack of a charger in flagships and now the use of plastic.
But the price gets higher and the value stagnates or actually gets traded off.
I considered buying the Mi 11i but then I saw all the cases of overheating. Then I thought "well, the OnePlus 9 costs at least 200$ more here, it will probably have a metal frame and better thermals if they want you to pay so much". But lo and behold, it also has a plastic frame and to "cover" that, they capped the in-game fps to 60 so people wouldn't see the mess that the SD888 is.
I am honestly appalled by the fact that there are so many phones released by Xiaomi this year but not a single one is an optimal choice.
The Redmi Note 10 Pro has a good screen and a 108MP camera but its CPU is mediocre and it can't record beyond [email protected]
The Poco F3 has a great CPU that doesn't overheat but has the same 48MP camera as my Redmi K20 Pro while officially only supporting [email protected] (while the K20 Pro shoots [email protected] from the get go, and I know GCam lets you enforce [email protected] on the F3 but that's just an improvisation).
The Mi11i has a 108MP camera but its CPU overheats due to the incompetence of Xiaomi and Qualcomm when it comes to thermal design.
And the Mi 11 has a curved, IMO overkill 1440p screen (I dislike curved screens as someone who owned a Galaxy S9+, and I can say the same about 1440p smartphone screens), a 108MP camera but an unattractive design and an even higher price tag.
My point:
For the same reasons you mentioned (and more), I am going to steer clear of the SD888, and am buying the Poco F3 instead of the Mi 11i since the price here is 200$ lower, there is an active development for it and because my K20 Pro is damaged and dying.
Yet it's frustrating how there are so many new phones nowadays but none can provide what I want without having to pay as much as for a goddamn gaming laptop(which I didn't have to do 2 years ago when I bought an "all-screen" phone with a headphone jack, flagship processor with decent thermals, an aluminium frame and a decent camera for 400$ - the Redmi K20 Pro).
2 years later, you pretty much trade a 60Hz screen for 120Hz and a metal frame for a plastic one (and thus potentially worse thermals) while losing the headphone jack and getting a hole blown through the screen for a selfie camera one uses maybe twice a day on average (unless their self-esteem is so low that they need their ego stroked every hour in the form of liked selfies).
To each their own, but nowadays it feels like there is less of a "choice" while buying a phone, and rather a matter of "picking the less disappointing option".
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spot on, don't know why xiaomi has been going in this direction but i honestly can't find an optimal choice to upgrade from my K20 pro
See:
Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra review: Refined to near perfection
The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is a more refined Galaxy S22 Ultra, and while it might have features you don't need, it's one of the best.
www.xda-developers.com
I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Time will tell. I doubt it will improve the SOT much. There's also the burden of the variable refresh rate display. Not sure how much more scoped storage impacts battery life but it requires more cpu cycles.
Starting with the N20U the batteries have gotten bigger, as has the thickness and weight of all the Samsung flagships. At the same time even with the larger capacity batteries the SOT decreased.
Poor form factor and performance balance have now become Samsung's flagship hallmark.
Their last great flagship remains the N10+. No 5G or variable refresh rate display but more functional with a display color/gamma accuracy/calibration that likely exceeds all those that followed. If Samsung adopted a fixed 90hz display refresh rate much better color/gamma accuracy could be achieved. They won't do this because Samsung is now marketing hype rather than performance driven. Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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Agreed, I wouldn't get the 5G N10+ variant. With an unlimited grandfathered 4G data plan it's a no brainer. Since 5G started rolling out 4G has even better bandwidth. Because many websites limit data speeds even the 4G download speed isn't fully utilized most times. The power drain of 5G remains an issue on the newer models as does the SOC, display and camera. They reached the thermal limits of the available surface area. The N10+ can operate at a 99F ambient temperature doing internet browsing with no cooling for an extended time because it's using less power and producing less waste heat.
Storage is inadequate and expensive on all models after the N20U.
30 gms heavier, worse display/ratio and a much worse SOT than the N10+. Not a well balanced flagship at all. S23U is more of the same... bs.
The claims that Android 11, 12 or 13 are more efficient than 9 I have severe doubts about. Even if Google implements a more efficient file system the overhead of scoped storage* remains. I like to see a side by side comparison on a N10+ running on 9 vs 10, 11 and 12. No one does that.
*In Android 10 scoped storage isn't fully active. It doesn't seem faster than Pie and SOT may be slightly worse. Still playing with my other N10+ that was factory loaded with Q. I prefer Pie as it's more functional and easier to troubleshoot.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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Expect another hand warmer...
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Expect another hand warmer...
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I hope not.
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I hope not.
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Don't be the first to buy it. Samsung's recent track record speaks for itself. Besides they'll be more desperate after 6 months to sell the excess units. Predictably there will be a shortage of 1 and .5tb variants though.
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Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
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Not my second language...
dazed1 said:
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
zhuanlan.zhihu.com
Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
Not my second language...
Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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dazed1 said:
Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
blackhawk said:
Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
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Its not real 1'' but its very big, its bigger then Sony RX100 for example, its 132mm2, and sensor size doesnt matter as much when you got 30 frames stacked, that remove like 80% of the noise, and bring much more "light" into the sensor. No need to believe, ive seen the results,
And low light action shots? Books and parked cars don't move... people do.