Like, why have to choose between Ubuntu or Android, when TWRP-based recoveries, like Safestrap for example, come with ROM Slots?
because its probably very hard to make a custom phone, best to first see if theres a market for it and try to even out, let alone make profit... , is it worth the effort and money invested?
Once they succeed, then they can be more creative and flexible with what can be offered.... who knows, its possible 90% of users on this forum are just leeches who demand things and never actually give back, im hoping thats incorrect.
Myrmeko said:
Like, why have to choose between Ubuntu or Android, when TWRP-based recoveries, like Safestrap for example, come with ROM Slots?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can't gurantee anything but maybe one will come (for the regular Pro 1 but as they are almost the same...)
Dual boot is being worked on.
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw4B1H4h39I&ab_channel=LinuxForEveryone
Source of the video:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pro1-x-smartphone-functionality-choice-control/x/25022341#/
Srkineo said:
Dual boot is being worked on.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think it should be possible to dual boot any A/B device as long as the userdata can be a polyglot.
sonhy said:
because its probably very hard to make a custom phone, best to first see if theres a market for it and try to even out, let alone make profit... , is it worth the effort and money invested?
Once they succeed, then they can be more creative and flexible with what can be offered.... who knows, its possible 90% of users on this forum are just leeches who demand things and never actually give back, im hoping thats incorrect.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
10 odd years ago, I bought my first Android phone. It was an HTC Evo. I discovered xda-developers, found all the CyanogenMOD ROMs, etc. for that Evo, and never looked back. In 2012/13, I 'upgraded' to a Samsung S4 and didn't bother to root it, and I've 'upgraded' hardware many times since then. There was always that; 'Why am I doing this?!?' thought, in the back of my mind...but, I needed a phone to get the job done.
So, here we are in 2020, I have a Samsung S9 that works, that I bought a little over 2 years ago, but...it has Android 10, with the Samsung embellishments, but won't see anything other than security updates going forward. About this time, 10 years ago, I bought an Asus laptop. I don't recall which version of M$ Windows was installed (according to the sticker, it was Windows 7 Home), but that's irrelevant because; A) Whichever version was installed is now obsolete, B) The day after I brought it home, it was running Gentoo Linux. This got me to wondering WHY I couldn't have a cellphone that 'just works' for more than 2.5-3 years, AND was 'current!'
I was all set to pull the trigger on a Pixel 5, through my carrier, reasoning that it was the 'flagship' of the Google line and, despite the ho-hum specs, would be supported longer than the <insert OEM here> phone. Then the ALL About ANDROID podcast (twit.tv) mentioned the Pro1-X phone in TWO consecutive podcasts! That piqued my interest! As of yesterday, I ordered a Pro1-X, with the LineageOS. This is MY way of giving back to those developers that provided me with the ROMS that I downloaded, installed, and used years ago...
ALL of my computers run a version of *nix! Hopefully, I'll be just as happy with my Pro1-X (I may upgrade to the Debian offering, if available) when the phone arrives! :fingers-crossed:
Shack01 said:
10 odd years ago, I bought my first Android phone. It was an HTC Evo. I discovered xda-developers, found all the CyanogenMOD ROMs, etc. for that Evo, and never looked back. In 2012/13, I 'upgraded' to a Samsung S4 and didn't bother to root it, and I've 'upgraded' hardware many times since then. There was always that; 'Why am I doing this?!?' thought, in the back of my mind...but, I needed a phone to get the job done.
So, here we are in 2020, I have a Samsung S9 that works, that I bought a little over 2 years ago, but...it has Android 10, with the Samsung embellishments, but won't see anything other than security updates going forward. About this time, 10 years ago, I bought an Asus laptop. I don't recall which version of M$ Windows was installed (according to the sticker, it was Windows 7 Home), but that's irrelevant because; A) Whichever version was installed is now obsolete, B) The day after I brought it home, it was running Gentoo Linux. This got me to wondering WHY I couldn't have a cellphone that 'just works' for more than 2.5-3 years, AND was 'current!'
I was all set to pull the trigger on a Pixel 5, through my carrier, reasoning that it was the 'flagship' of the Google line and, despite the ho-hum specs, would be supported longer than the <insert OEM here> phone. Then the ALL About ANDROID podcast (twit.tv) mentioned the Pro1-X phone in TWO consecutive podcasts! That piqued my interest! As of yesterday, I ordered a Pro1-X, with the LineageOS. This is MY way of giving back to those developers that provided me with the ROMS that I downloaded, installed, and used years ago...
ALL of my computers run a version of *nix! Hopefully, I'll be just as happy with my Pro1-X (I may upgrade to the Debian offering, if available) when the phone arrives! :fingers-crossed:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Completely agree with the sentiment here. I purchased my Pro1-X (XDA edition) with the hopes that instead of chasing the next flagship every year, I will finally have a phone that I can optimize and update myself, and , more importantly, a phone that is secure and can run Ubuntu Touch.
Related
A month ago I sold all of my tablets and have bought the Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid.
Primarily verifiable need for it to work. But since I now possessed no other tablet, I quickly found that my root right for certain things missing for recreational use. To use the Sixaxis app for example.
So I wanted to ask here if maybe a developer have already dealt with it, to root the device.
Would be really happy.
sorry for my english, my best friend is google translate
regards
Alex
It's pretty much a Raw Android Tablet and should work with anything in the play store. No one seems to be looking in to doing anything with this tablet since it's so expensive and it's made for such a specific use. I asked questions about it for months and no one acknowledged me about it.
Sinsecond said:
A month ago I sold all of my tablets and have bought the Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid.
Primarily verifiable need for it to work. But since I now possessed no other tablet, I quickly found that my root right for certain things missing for recreational use. To use the Sixaxis app for example.
So I wanted to ask here if maybe a developer have already dealt with it, to root the device.
Would be really happy.
sorry for my english, my best friend is google translate
regards
Alex
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Tablet malfunctioned and I lost some files. Would love to be able to use a recovery program to get them back (need root to do so).
Test this https://github.com/linux-shield/shield-root/blob/master/README.md
Use adb reboot bootloader
Test unlock bootloader only
Sorry for my bad english
Any news ?
c4b4l3 said:
Test this ...
Use adb reboot bootloader
Test unlock bootloader only
Sorry for my bad english
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry to revive the thread but since I am considering buying one.
Did any one try to root it with success ?
JediRemi said:
Sorry to revive the thread but since I am considering buying one.
Did any one try to root it with success ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I find it unlikely that anyone who owns it has tried rooting the CCH yet, Myself included. Of course, I am tempted to root it, but I wouldn't do it until I am sure I can restore everything in case it messes up. The android system recovery that comes with the tablet has no commands for the user, so even a custom recovery would be required to backup/restore. It's not exactly an easily replacable tablet, and the device is quite expensive after all. The reason I am tempted to root is not related to wacom and their tech at all, but once you have root, you end up wanting it across your devices. Unless you want root for a specific app, and unless you're ABSOLUTELY sure that app can benefit from the cintiq, I wouldn't take the risk that comes with trying to root.
That said, you will not be disappointed with the tablet without root, it really is a cintiq on the go, as well as a Tegra 4 android tablet. Really rock solid performance, excellent battery life( I actually did clock 12 hours straight on high performance), and pretty much pure android without any fancy changes.
Maybe I'll succumb and try to root someday, but that's a remote possibility. Unless I end up damaging it somehow, and replacement seems inevitable, in which case I'll try it before replacing.
This is Wacom's reply to an enquiry about rooting: http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=15901
This is a nearly two-year-old thread, but now that I have my own CCH thanks to a bit of luck on eBay, I should report that yes, you CAN root it!
Wacom's complete negligence in updating it does have one benefit: towelroot still works due to the old January 2014-dated kernel, but you need towelroot v1 and not v3 as currently offered on towelroot.com. I figured this out when I looked up other Tegra 4-based systems and how well towelroot worked on those.
From there on, just let SuperSU update the binary, and then you're good.
I feel like this is just the beginning of figuring out how to update the CCH to a recent version of Android, since Wacom themselves have been even less than useless with properly supporting it during its lifespan and have now discontinued it with no pretense of further support. @aniruddhahar, you with me here? We both know what this thing's capable of if they'd just updated it past Jelly Bean, and with Android N on the horizon and finally baking multi-window into base AOSP, the timing couldn't be better!
This is indeed some heartening news, thanks @NamelessFragger ! The CCH hardware checks out to run at least lollipop/marshmallow, and frankly I'd be happy to even get past Jelly Bean to KK or Lollipop. However, the problem is the role the CCH plays at work. It's easy to replace a smartphone or a tablet, but a damaged Cintiq could mean 1000-2000 USD for replacement. Having said that, I'll be trying to root it at least. But unless we get some info about the hardware switch from android mode to desktop mode, I find it doubtful that we may be able to upgrade the device while still retaining the Cintiq capabilities which are vital to any CCH artist using the device in daily production work.
Also, I cannot find links to the v1 APK of towelroot anywhere. Could you please upload it here?
I wonder if this news should also be shared on the Wacom forums...
@aniruddhahar: I figure that's one of the major reasons the CCH dev scene is nonexistent - the likelihood that anyone who is willing to pay well over $1,000 for one of these things depends on it working reliably and without issue to make a living. Not only would it be expensive to replace, but the downtime until replacement is a major setback to an artist's livelihood who needs it to work.
It's not a toy - it's a tool, and one that can do something that almost no other tablet computer can do nearly as well as it does.
However, while Wacom doesn't feel like handing out the source code that would reveal whatever kernel modifications they made to make the monitor mode switch work, I have a feeling that with enough effort, we could reverse-engineer their implementation. The Tegra 4 sources for other devices like the NVIDIA Shield Portable is already floating around out there, and that could be a potential launching point for an updated Android ROM, even if it might take a while before we get the monitor mode switch going. We might even have pen digitizer-related sources from Samsung's various Galaxy Note products that may also help to a limited extent, differences in digitizers aside.
There's more important things to tackle before any custom ROM efforts, however, like getting a custom recovery set up so that we can easily flash Nandroid backups and future custom ROMs.
As things currently stand, I haven't seen Wacom put out any ROM images and PC-based flashing utilities like most other Android manufacturers, so unless your idea of a recovery is hard-dumping the NAND with an eMMC reader and hard-flashing it with a known good dump if your system becomes unbootable, tread carefully.
towelroot v1
any safe links to towelroot v1?
did you try v3 and it failed?
I am a dev... In fact, I'm working on a custom filesystem at work right now. I have a CCH and like many.. I find it difficult to look at knowing how awesome the hardware is and how Wacom abandoned it. I was doing everything with this unit... movies, video games, video conferencing, etc. I read comics, and holding the unit vertically makes for an excellent digital comic book experience.
It is, quite frankly, the best tablet experience I've ever had. And it's sitting there on Jellybean.
How close are we to pulling he trigger on a GPL violation submission? I understand they've "lost" the source?
bumpity bump bump
Would really like to see some progress here.
Did someone actually root the Hybrid with towelroot v1? Did we ever hear back from Wacom on getting the source?
They shut their forums down, unfortunately. This is really the only other thread on the internet discussing the cintiq hybrid. Such a shame.
-toad
I rooted my Hybrid last November, but I didn't use towelroot, so I can't speak to that method. I used KingoRoot v1.4.2 for PC. It's been a while (not to mention the long parade of root tools/apps that failed before that), so I don't remember exactly, step-by-step, how I originally did it.
In the hopes that this might help other Hybrid owners, I've scoured my Hybrid and computer for any related files, zipped them and posted a link below for posterity.
EDIT: Unfortunately, I mostly lurk here, and the site won't let me post outside links until I have at least 10 posts--which I don't--so I had to get creative with the urls. :\
Files I'm including:
KingoRoot Apk v1.9
com.kingoroot.com-2.apk
KingoRoot v1.4.2 for PC
android_root.exe
KingoUser Apk v2.0.5
KingoUser.apk
Kingo Android Root.url
The files are provided AS-IS. I make no guarantee that they won't blow up your device. If your device explodes into a barrage of radioactive shrapnel, I am NOT responsible. These files worked for me. They may not work for you, and I have no idea if newer updates work either. Your mileage may vary.
**TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK**
So... Doom and gloom aside...
dracolusus.com/xda-developers/devices/cintiq-companion-hybrid/cintiq-root.zip
You can visit KingoRoot's website here:
kingoapp.com/android-root.htm
I think I installed the PC program first, plugged the tablet into the comp, and the program pushed KingoUser.apk (SuperUser) to the device. I'm not sure about the KingoRoot apk, though; I may have downloaded it from the play store separately either before or after rooting, or it could have been pushed by the program too, but I don't remember now.
More Bump
I got my Companion Hybrid about a year ago, and was astonished that Wacom didn't even try to provide updates for the Cintiq. I love the thing, but there is no immersive mode, the notification bar crashes the UI sometimes, and whatever background I have set will reset to the default jelly bean one after about a week. It's infuriating that someone could put so little effort into providing stable software, but still lock out people who are willing to put the work in.
When I called Wacom's support about getting root access, the guy who helped me just said its not possible, that there will be no updates ever, and that Wacom no longer supports the Companion Hybrid at all beyond the 1-year replacement warranty.
My biggest complaint of all is that when the tablet is in Android mode all the hardware buttons are pretty much useless.
This is all just a big rant I guess, but I would LOVE to see this thing running Android 5 or 6. This tablet has so much untapped potential.
Slightly off-topic but CCH owners are very hard to track down and Wacom forums are down so cannot ask there. I recently acquired a CCH by pure luck but the previous owner reset it before sending and that wiped some fix to the camera that he had applied which means when I open camera app in Android mode it shows 'Cannot connect to Camera'. He swears there was a fix for this which he can no longer find.
I don't want to send it back but just trying my luck here to see if anyone knows of this issue and the possible fix? When connected to PC, the front camera works fine with Skype with notification blue LED and all..
Sorry if it is the wrong thread but since my new thread will probably not catch you attention I thought I will post here.
Thanks.
I wasn't aware of any camera issue, since my camera has always worked fine. I got mine second hand off e-bay, though, so maybe its original owner applied the fix. I didn't pay too close attention to whether or not it had been reset before being sent to me; I was more focused on getting it rooted.
I did a quick google search for the issue, but only this thread and some post about the Surface Pro camera app came up. If you could post some more info about it, I'll see if I can find any useful files on mine.
Hopefully, a more experienced user will grace us with their expertise...
Camera never worked on mine, any camera or gallery app just crashes. I got it off eBay on July 2014 and it was factory reset when I got. Did some firmware update using Wacom settings app but didn't fix camera.
As for original question: KingRoot (kingroot.net/tutorials) worked perfectly for me.
Me 2!
if anyone ever figures this out- please please email me! I use cch as my daily work tool and so disappointed from day one on the android mode. Thought I would be able to use it as a bring home, over coffee at Starbucks, hotel lobby art pad; but instead its locked in at work, poorly connected with its craptastic matrix like cable system, nearly immobile.
need to crack this egg [email protected]
I realize this is a bit old, but for anyone looking to do this, New King Root works just fine.
Sinsecond said:
A month ago I sold all of my tablets and have bought the Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid.
Primarily verifiable need for it to work. But since I now possessed no other tablet, I quickly found that my root right for certain things missing for recreational use. To use the Sixaxis app for example.
So I wanted to ask here if maybe a developer have already dealt with it, to root the device.
Would be really happy.
sorry for my english, my best friend is google translate
regards
Alex
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bump
Any progress? I found this thread a few years ago and have waited for it to update lol
I've basically had mine since release, neither camera worked. It just crashes.
I still don't trust KingoRoot after all the reports of stealing IMEIs and other such data. towelroot is proven, and I'll toss up a Dropbox link for you all if needed. It's actually taken from an archived version of the site anyway.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140616011907/http://towelroot.com/
Both of my cameras work, though neither are particularly good in the image quality department. Not sure what to say there regarding the camera app crashing.
Also, I apologize for being many months late to this, but ever since the Wacom forums went down and this thread got buried, I didn't think I'd get in contact with the CCH community at large again:
cloudtoad said:
any safe links to towelroot v1?
did you try v3 and it failed?
I am a dev... In fact, I'm working on a custom filesystem at work right now. I have a CCH and like many.. I find it difficult to look at knowing how awesome the hardware is and how Wacom abandoned it. I was doing everything with this unit... movies, video games, video conferencing, etc. I read comics, and holding the unit vertically makes for an excellent digital comic book experience.
It is, quite frankly, the best tablet experience I've ever had. And it's sitting there on Jellybean.
How close are we to pulling he trigger on a GPL violation submission? I understand they've "lost" the source?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tried v3, and it failed. v1 worked.
I've had no updates on the source code situation over these past few months, so consider that trigger pulled, even if they've lost the source.
Anyway, let me reiterate my findings, many of which are going to make development on this a pain:
-There is no fastboot mode. Seriously, I have yet to find a way to get it to work, because the usual adb commands don't work. It may not even be present. Because of this, I don't even know if the bootloader's locked or unlocked. We can only pray it's the latter.
-APX mode is present like you'd expect on a Tegra device (assuming ExpressKeys on left, hold the top two buttons down while powering on until the status LED flashes red), but without a proper image to use with Nvflash, it's of no use. I doubt Wacom has such a recovery image to give us in the first place.
-The stock recovery is the most useless stock recovery I've ever seen! Your only option is to hit the center rocker button or the power button to reboot normally, as there's no menu.
-Backing up the boot and recovery partitions is trivial with Flashify, or more recently, FlashFire once you're rooted. What ISN'T trivial is just unpacking and repacking them consistently, such that the repacked version with no change to the contents is identical to the original. Maybe I just haven't found the right tools yet.
-I have not tested any attempts to reflash the recovery partition yet. Compiling TWRP is a bit in over my head, especially for a device without proper kernel sources, and the CWM Builder site's long dead. TWRP has no equivalent. At least you don't have to worry about things like getting Cintiq mode working in recovery, which should simplify things should we have to resort to using generic Tegra 4 sources.
-NVIDIA's dropped software support for Tegra 4, so it doesn't have official kernel/driver/whatever code updates for Android Marshmallow onward. Porting the latest Nougat over may prove even more troublesome as a result, and it's already confirmed that the Remix Ultratablet (which uses the same SoC) won't be getting RemixOS 3.0 officially because of it.
The cards are stacked against us, but nevertheless, I still feel this is one piece of hardware that deserves some community support since Wacom let everyone down on updates.
I got in to rooting and flashing when I was on my Samsung Fascinate, it was the device I learned the ropes on. By the time I was ready to upgrade devices, I was already running ICS on my Fascinate. We all know the history of the S3 and it being a flagship device for Samsung......and there were countless ROM builds for it. One of the most stable team builds I've ever been on was AOKP. Coming up through versions of OTA builds, AOKP was always on top....IMO. There were other ROM's that opened different customizations, but in my eyes none were as solid and consistent as AOKP was. Then we all know the hybrid ROM's came about, based on several different builds. There is where I found Rootbox, to this day I don't think I'll ever find a more complete and stable ROM. Its too bad its dev dropped building, but good for him as he was finishing school.
After owning my Note 3 now since it hit the stores, I finally rooted and flashed about a month or better ago. I tried a few ROM's, wasn't impressed with anything.....then a friend recommended HyperDrive. I had been on Release 7 for about a month, and pretty damn happy. Recently I flashed to their Release 8, which is KitKat. Granted, I know development is still early on KK.....but I've just been overwhelmed with the errors and bugs. I am generally a patient person, but this "stable" release is far from my experience with the S3 ROM's. And I do take into consideration these are two very different devices, based on different builds of Android software also.
Am I being too critical? Should I just shut up and wait it out? Where is AOKP? Where are the other teams with their big builds? Are they beyond forums now, and strictly WikiRoot and Gooim? I don't even venture over there, so I may really be missing out all together. A quick glimpse at AOKP's site and I found Note3 nightlies for "Unified Note 3", no specific carrier. Is this for ALL devices Note 3? Am I getting too old for this stuff?
Someone pass me a beer. :laugh:
LXative said:
I got in to rooting and flashing when I was on my Samsung Fascinate, it was the device I learned the ropes on. By the time I was ready to upgrade devices, I was already running ICS on my Fascinate. We all know the history of the S3 and it being a flagship device for Samsung......and there were countless ROM builds for it. One of the most stable team builds I've ever been on was AOKP. Coming up through versions of OTA builds, AOKP was always on top....IMO. There were other ROM's that opened different customizations, but in my eyes none were as solid and consistent as AOKP was. Then we all know the hybrid ROM's came about, based on several different builds. There is where I found Rootbox, to this day I don't think I'll ever find a more complete and stable ROM. Its too bad its dev dropped building, but good for him as he was finishing school.
After owning my Note 3 now since it hit the stores, I finally rooted and flashed about a month or better ago. I tried a few ROM's, wasn't impressed with anything.....then a friend recommended HyperDrive. I had been on Release 7 for about a month, and pretty damn happy. Recently I flashed to their Release 8, which is KitKat. Granted, I know development is still early on KK.....but I've just been overwhelmed with the errors and bugs. I am generally a patient person, but this "stable" release is far from my experience with the S3 ROM's. And I do take into consideration these are two very different devices, based on different builds of Android software also.
Am I being too critical? Should I just shut up and wait it out? Where is AOKP? Where are the other teams with their big builds? Are they beyond forums now, and strictly WikiRoot and Gooim? I don't even venture over there, so I may really be missing out all together. A quick glimpse at AOKP's site and I found Note3 nightlies for "Unified Note 3", no specific carrier. Is this for ALL devices Note 3? Am I getting too old for this stuff?
Someone pass me a beer. :laugh:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
With a locked boot loader we're currently stuck with TW based ROMs. If you're having that many bugs on HyperDrive give a different ROM a try. I use a few different ones and do not have any issues at all.
Only the developer editions can run AOSP roms...retail devices are stuck with touch wiz because safestrap recvovery limits you to using the stock kernel only. I feel your pain with TW KitKat NC2...it is pretty buggy. Hoping the NC4 update will fix some things. For the mean time I am chillaxin on Beans MJE B.6
I can't believe you just asked that!
Request denied: Imma gonna kick you!!
I came from a Droid RAZR (original) that used Safestrap with a locked bootloader, but it had tons of AOSP and AOKP roms. What makes the Note 3 different?
Sent from my SM-N900V using XDA Free mobile app
Retail Note 3 is locked to the stock kernel, aosp uses a diff one. I think others like Bionic can use kexec to boot which was what they were looking into on NC2 since kernel modules are enabled (and why they told everyone not to take the ota)
Thanks for the replies. I will admit I know how to get rooted and flash ROM's, but don't know a whole lot about the guts of the phone along with these limitations.
So in short, the retail carrier phones are all TouchWhiz forever? I am pulling that correctly out of these replies? Or is this something that some of the cell phone hacking geniuses that bring us this whole side of the cellular world, actually be able to overcome to allow us to run AOSP?
On an additional note, are all devices going to be like this from here on out? I had no clue about a "developer edition" phone, how does one acquire such a device?
Man, I need to catch up on my lingo.
LXative said:
Thanks for the replies. I will admit I know how to get rooted and flash ROM's, but don't know a whole lot about the guts of the phone along with these limitations.
So in short, the retail carrier phones are all TouchWhiz forever? I am pulling that correctly out of these replies? Or is this something that some of the cell phone hacking geniuses that bring us this whole side of the cellular world, actually be able to overcome to allow us to run AOSP?
On an additional note, are all devices going to be like this from here on out? I had no clue about a "developer edition" phone, how does one acquire such a device?
Man, I need to catch up on my lingo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What you are use to no longer exists...Samsung is locking the device so tight these days, root will more then likely be a thing of the past. The VZW S5 has a 12k bounty just for root and nobody has cracked it. The developer editions are going to be the only way to root and flash roms. The downfall is you have to buy the device outright, no warranty, and samsung nor verizon provides updates for the DE. You would think no big deal, I will rely on Devs for updates, but there is a catch.
These days a lot of stuff is hidden in the bootloader partition that allows certain features of the device to work correctly. So If I want to upgrade from MJE to NC2 I need to flash a modified firmware pack. The problem is with DE is we can not flash that firmware pack without locking the bootloader. So we are then left with using a modfified stock kernel which allows us to use kitkat but we have to deal with certain bugs.
On a side note we can run AOSP all day with no issues being it uses its own kernel, but there is very few devs left working on Verizon devices. CM11 is all we have. I believe we can run some T-mobile roms with Apn edits.
The retail edition relies on Root privilidges for safe strap recovery to work. However since kernel modules are disabled on the latest update, kexec or any side load program that installs kernels will not work. Therfore Touchwiz is what all the retail devices can run.
It is really a no win situation at this point with Samsung devices on Verizon. Both Retail and DE have their own limitations.
I will probably continue to purchase Dev edition phones since I buy my device outright to keep unlimited. Also I am guranteed root capability to at the very least and I can mod my own stock rom. And if the retail gets a update down the road that is worthy of taking, I can choose to take it and lock the device. However as slow as verizon releases updates, I will most likely move on to another device before the update has any relevancy.
Your best bet is to move to T-mobile if you want a lot of development...I would but I am not sold on their service around my area.
Awesome, thanks for the break down.......it really helped me understand things a lot better.
Seems like I might just be best to flash back to stock and be happy as possible with the customization features Apex gives me. I REALLY don't understand the logic in locking the devs......no matter what they do, in the least someone is going to try to break into it.......especially if it is a popular device. It wouldn't be so bad on the other hand, if they would give us just some of the customization's that you can find in just about every custom ROM out there. You know they are paying attention to what the developers do on forums like this......but I personally really don't see them doing anything about it.
FYI, I too wanted to keep my data plan so I bought my Note 3 out right.....had no real clue about the dev edition though. From the sounds of it, I'm pretty discouraged about the current time and future of customization......especially for those of us who bought our phones out right. Pisses me off.
I've considered T-Mobile too, and it works fine everywhere but where I work. Being I get a stipend, I can't have a cell phone while I am at work.....that doesn't work. Or else I'd be long gone.
droidstyle said:
Only the developer editions can run AOSP roms...retail devices are stuck with touch wiz because safestrap recvovery limits you to using the stock kernel only. I feel your pain with TW KitKat NC2...it is pretty buggy. Hoping the NC4 update will fix some things. For the mean time I am chillaxin on Beans MJE B.6
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This. No need to go away from Beans mje build until I buy a new home...
Actually I was under the impression the leak allowed for an unsigned kernel and there was work on an AOSP rom for the vzw Note 3?
Morkai Almandragon said:
Actually I was under the impression the leak allowed for an unsigned kernel and there was work on an AOSP rom for the vzw Note 3?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The leak allows a "possible" exploit of our bootloader that would allow kernel modification. I'm sure smart people are trying. But what I've heard is that even the smarties will find this hard to do. Plus we don't even know if it will work.
I guarantee you if someone finds a way, it will be supwr noticable where to find that info on the forum.
<Note3>
Not trying to derail the thread, but it sounds like a couple of you bought devices outright "to keep unlimited data." Despite what vzw customer service and tech support may say, that is not true at all. I and many others with unlimited got a subsidized N3 from vzw. If you have a non-unlimited line on your account due for an upgrade, use it to get subsidized N3 on same capped data plan. Activate N3 and make calls on it. Turn off both phones. Go online and transfer lines on myverizon. Change N3 to your unlimited phone number. Take SIM card out of your current unlimited device and put in N3, turn on and call the device activation number just like you had purchased a phone outright from third party. There's another step in there about lUk8dia753 reactivating the original phone back on its original capped line, but I forget when you do it. Google knows. The point is Verizon will subsidize new devices that end up on unlimited data plans. In a circuitous way, it's legally required by the conditions of their purchase of the block c spectrum - the open device rule.
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
badchorizo said:
Not trying to derail the thread, but it sounds like a couple of you bought devices outright "to keep unlimited data." Despite what vzw customer service and tech support may say, that is not true at all. I and many others with unlimited got a subsidized N3 from vzw. If you have a non-unlimited line on your account due for an upgrade, use it to get subsidized N3 on same capped data plan. Activate N3 and make calls on it. Turn off both phones. Go online and transfer lines on myverizon. Change N3 to your unlimited phone number. Take SIM card out of your current unlimited device and put in N3, turn on and call the device activation number just like you had purchased a phone outright from third party. There's another step in there about lUk8dia753 reactivating the original phone back on its original capped line, but I forget when you do it. Google knows. The point is Verizon will subsidize new devices that end up on unlimited data plans. In a circuitous way, it's legally required by the conditions of their purchase of the block c spectrum - the open device rule.
Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
True but that does not work when the other lines on your account already have used their upgrade and are out 2yrs before they can upgrade. So from July 2012- July 2014, I have to buy my device outright to keep unlimited.
Being someone who is trying to learn about rooting etc. I have found this thread very useful. To me if I choose to root a phone the biggest benefits I see would be getting rid of bloat and the UI. I love "plain" Android and Nexus devices, I like things simple, uncluttered, as I believe the way Google intends for it to be.
So if I understand this correctly at this point with a rooted Note3 I can not enjoy the benefits of running a stock JB or KK rom as it was straight from Google? Something about a locked bootloader is preventing these type of roms from running on our devices as of now, and who knows for how long?
mgftp said:
Being someone who is trying to learn about rooting etc. I have found this thread very useful. To me if I choose to root a phone the biggest benefits I see would be getting rid of bloat and the UI. I love "plain" Android and Nexus devices, I like things simple, uncluttered, as I believe the way Google intends for it to be.
So if I understand this correctly at this point with a rooted Note3 I can not enjoy the benefits of running a stock JB or KK rom as it was straight from Google? Something about a locked bootloader is preventing these type of roms from running on our devices as of now, and who knows for how long?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You and I both - I find a huge attraction with the Nexus devices. Problem is, I'm on a carrier that refuses to carry them because they can't load adware on the phone and make a huge profit on what is already a huge profit (Verizon Wireless). I spent most of my youth on T-Mobile so when I got the Droid 1 on Verizon, I was pretty happy - better reception, etc... but the whole concept of adware really ticked me off. Without adware we could get a lot better battery life. These apps were running in the background of a phone I bought and paid money for (or promised $ for 2 years). What gives them the right to load it with adware?
The HTC Thunderbolt on Verizon - I was the first few to get it... The Blockbuster app glitched and was stuck downloading gigs of movie thumbnails. This killed the phone in 5-6 hours - no matter how many times you killed the app, it would start up and go downloading again till your battery ran out. Not only was Verizon forcing adware but the adware apps were so poorly programmed it drove me to Apple. Good job Google/Verizon! So after a few years of Apple (adware less phones) and relative bliss.... I went back to Android with the Moto X and now the Note 3. Sure, freezing Adware is nice... but rooting still provided much better battery life.
I'm one of those people who doesn't understand the idea of paying Direct TV/Cable TV $120+/mo for them to make $$$$ off of you via advertisements. If I pay retail for my phone (Verizon Edge plan) - I expect it to be mine.
I'm a sucker for ASOP.... but after owning the Note 3 for awhile (rooted) - I highly recommend you try it out. I'm getting insane battery life, the OS is light and fast, I run a custom launcher (Nova), and there is absolutely no adware/app that runs on my phone that I don't want. My only fear is... after the Note 3 (since the S5 is impossible to root and most likely the Note 4) - what will we have? Google Play Editions??? This mystical expensive Silver editions???
I'll try to keep my Note 3 as long as I can but if Google is getting rid of the Nexus lineup .... either I'll have to go back to T-Mobile - they do pay the ETF. Quite a few of the Verizon Note 3 devs left for T-Mobile.
Back to your post ---- there are quite a few lightweight roms to flashs on the Note 3 even a 600mb one!
droidstyle said:
True but that does not work when the other lines on your account already have used their upgrade and are out 2yrs before they can upgrade. So from July 2012- July 2014, I have to buy my device outright to keep unlimited.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can transfer your upgrade to one of those lines. That's what I did - the capped line I used isn't due for an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but mine was up back in December. So I "gave" that upgrade to the capped line, bought a Note 3, and then swapped sims.
shaw0050 said:
You can transfer your upgrade to one of those lines. That's what I did - the capped line I used isn't due for an upgrade for another couple of weeks, but mine was up back in December. So I "gave" that upgrade to the capped line, bought a Note 3, and then swapped sims.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure how you accomplished that but I tried and was told I would lose unlimited if I transfered my upgrade to another line. Aside from that I will probably continue to purchase developer devices being Samsung retail devices can no longer be rooted.
droidstyle said:
Not sure how you accomplished that but I tried and was told I would lose unlimited if I transfered my upgrade to another line. Aside from that I will probably continue to purchase developer devices being Samsung retail devices can no longer be rooted.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you are interested in a retail device and using your upgrade you can purchase from an online retailer such as best buy and select keep old plan and ship to home. As long as you insert your current sim card before powering it on and discard the new one they send you you will keep your UDP and have your contract extended two years when you power up the new device. The trigger to knock you off UDP is tied to the new sim, nothing else. There are many threads around various forums regarding this but look at android central and slickdeals if you wanna know more.
Slickdeals thread: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6964624
i kept unlimited by upgrading a basic phone (with no data plan) on my plan to the note 3, then switching it to my line.
edit: but i dont know how you get 20GB with reqular use. i get about 4-5gb with regular use, and my highest was 18gb in a month by USB tethering to my computer and torrenting a bunch of "linux software distros".
Hi all,
I'm new here and as green as it gets with all forms of computing.
I recently used "One Click Root" (which turned out to be 5000 clicks, customer support and a bit of money) to root my Galaxy S6 and got them to install LineageOS on it as well, and I really like it.
My motivation was that I am old and grumpy, and hated Google pestering/prompting me continuously on a device I paid for outright. I strongly dislike their tactics, and preferred to go this way and update my now unsupported device, rather than buy a new one and have them all over me possibly even more.
I then went on to find that rooting (which has an unfortunate double meaning in my native Australian slang) is quite the hobby, and I'm interested in having a dabble just for the hell of it. So I have bought a clean second hand Nexus 5X, which is supposedly the "noob friendly" place to start.
It's not like I haven't studied every post and article, and I've tried a couple of packages, but have gone almost nowhere with it. I've managed to get the bootloader unlocked via the Nexus Root Toolkit, and it seems I've got TWRP on there as well, but an older version. I don't know if it's rooted, but the NRT root phase seemed to fail each time, so probably not.
I am hoping some kind soul would take me under their wing and really walk me through this in absolute basics of computing, let alone rooting. I would very much appreciate it, as I'm very interested in learning this/something new.
It may well test your patience... To put it into perspective, I've only just learned how to open a command window etc. I'm not joking about step by step, I'll need to be told were to put drivers when I download them, the lot. There is a possibility I'm too computer illiterate for this forum, but if someone will try to help me through I'll pay attention and be patient.
I would just like to root the phone, and install LineageOS. On my S6 I have used FDroid/Yalp to install the few apps I use.
Thank you in advance for anyone who would like to help me out.
Didn't feel a lot of love there, but I guess there was call for a collective sigh with another noob asking to be walked with hand held through the process, step by step.
Good news for me is that I actually did it, and my Nexus 5X is now running LineageOS 15.1, with no gapps installed at all.
I did try it with gapps, but the "Big G" just got straight up to their old tricks, demanding I do this and that, so I reinstalled without it. I must say the phone works really slickly with this ROM, and it's just such a cleaner screen. I really like it. I'm also surprised at what a good device the 5X is, considering I'd never heard of one before and thought it was all about Samsung Galaxy's.
I'm 50yo and not a huge apps person, and at this stage I'm only running F-Droid/Yalp, Spotify, AccuBattery, Protonmail and Line. Interestingly they all work without gapps on my S6/LOS 14.1, but Line keeps stopping on my Nexus 5X running LOS 15.1.
I'm feeling all keen now, and am scouting around for a few more cheap devices to play with.
Due to a little frustration I decided to create a whole thread for this.
I suck at computers and I have no idea what I am doing so I ended up bricking my device lmao.
In theory, the thought of rooting your device, and installing a custom OS sounds great! (Like communism) but when put in practice never really works out. The reason for that (I think) is because there are so many different versions, models, and brands. I end up spending all my time trying to refine my search to the right software and versions, and then when I do, I am stuck with some stupid site like (every damn rom site) with a 20kb/s download rate, and a page full of ads! Why? Because they are storing like 2 billion different 2GB roms. In my opinion paying for faster download speed from these websites is ridiculous. I don't even know why they offer (you would have to be stupid(like me)).
(tl;dr: Android SUCKS)
So, now to my actual question...
With the release of the Librem 5 phone, there really is not going to be a point to rooting phones anymore, because google with already be decimated from it... But that comes out in April/May and I still need a phone in the meantime.
So.. Are there any cheap phones ($500+/-), that are not a pain in the ass to root? And one that the developers actually care about to actively develop. All I wan't is a phone I can install stock android with root, and that can be installed without google or gapps. Also I live in Canada, which is another reason why it's a pain in the ass to find a decent phone because all our carriers deadbolt their firmware, and bootloaders like their storing the coordinates to some secret location with a pot of gold.
starscrpt said:
Due to a little frustration I decided to create a whole thread for this.
I suck at computers and I have no idea what I am doing so I ended up bricking my device lmao.
In theory, the thought of rooting your device, and installing a custom OS sounds great! (Like communism) but when put in practice never really works out. The reason for that (I think) is because there are so many different versions, models, and brands. I end up spending all my time trying to refine my search to the right software and versions, and then when I do, I am stuck with some stupid site like (every damn rom site) with a 20kb/s download rate, and a page full of ads! Why? Because they are storing like 2 billion different 2GB roms. In my opinion paying for faster download speed from these websites is ridiculous. I don't even know why they offer (you would have to be stupid(like me)).
(tl;dr: Android SUCKS)
So, now to my actual question...
With the release of the Librem 5 phone, there really is not going to be a point to rooting phones anymore, because google with already be decimated from it... But that comes out in April/May and I still need a phone in the meantime.
So.. Are there any cheap phones ($500+/-), that are not a pain in the ass to root? And one that the developers actually care about to actively develop. All I wan't is a phone I can install stock android with root, and that can be installed without google or gapps. Also I live in Canada, which is another reason why it's a pain in the ass to find a decent phone because all our carriers deadbolt their firmware, and bootloaders like their storing the coordinates to some secret location with a pot of gold.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try Mediatek phones, they are cheap, easy to unlock and root.
However, you will have to search whether they have a custom ROM since Mediatek never releases their source.
HIT THANKS IF FOUND USEFUL
Right. I'm sorry to have to post this up but I'm out of options and time.
Before I shell out £500+ on a new premium phone which I normally do every few years I thought I'd try and re use my old phone as I'm now old and hate spending money.
I've replaced some tired parts from my old g5 and it's looking good again.
It's running Android 8.0 which I believe was the last official update for it?
I'd like to get android 10 on it as I'm a big vanilla Google fan and my research led me to lineage18?
Read a few posts, installed ADB/fastboot on my Windows 10 laptop. Got lost, watched some videos, got confused and then frustrated and I'm now at the point where I advertise the phone on eBay and uninstall the stuff on my laptop and just buy a new phone.
The problem is I'm a 40 year old father with 2 babies and **** all time. It takes me ages to get my head round stuff and when I've only got 10 mins before one of them wakes in an evening I'm back to square one and even more pissed off I don't understand it.
Sorry for the sympathy hunting rant, but really would prefer to chuck someone some cash to get this done. The stubbornness in me wants to succeed though. So anyone who wants some £££ speak up. Anyone who can also link up specific instructions would also be appreciated. Remember, I don't understand jargon, abbreviations and I haven't used a pc properly in 5 years and where I was once pretty good at building my own gaming pc I'm now a full time consumer who needs spoon feeding instructions like a toddler (Apple iPhone user) because I'm so impatient.
One video I found which had the most detail in for setting up the install and then putting it on your phone assumed I'd done it before. Which should explain my problem better. I need my hand held, I need to be able to pause and repeat. Don't tell me to "open the command prompt" then move onto the next task because I'll spend 40 minutes googling how to do that. Heck I'd even consider allowing someone to remotely connect to my laptop to do it while I watch.
I hope this post isn't too pathetic, I really like this phone and have had it since it was released, but will understand if it seems too much work.
I really am looking forward to the day my kids are old enough to entertain themselves and I can think straight for more than 5 minutes at a time
Thanks in advance
@theblueflash you don't say which phone exactly you've got.
For H850 you can get unlock codes from LG easily.
I know (and did on three H850) how to unlock the bootloader (kind of BIOS like on PCs).
Without ADB and Fastboot you can't do it so you gotta find someone.
Mine is running now on Android 11.
I attach 2 files which are not up-to-date but describe very good what to do.
There is not more to do exept take a newer TWRP and (if root needed) Magisk instead of SuperSU.
But it will take longer than 5 minutes.