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It seems like the camcorder is much higher quality, seems odd, since it's coming from the same lens. Even just switching between the two, the camcorder doesn't have as much viewing angle, and everything seems much sharper.
Anyone else notice this?
I have noticed it.
Wider angle = more in the picture = lower quality.
It's the same 5mp camera for both the camcorder and camera but since the camera has a wider viewing angle, more is in the picture at once and it decreases the relative resolution.
Unsure how it has a wider viewing angle, it is the same hardware.
My camcorder video always comes out looking nicer than my photos, even after I lower the resolution on the photos to 1280x720 after the picture is taken. The camera should natively look nicer on the small screen, since it's a larger resolution snapshot.
You probably just aren't holding the phone as still as you think you are. Try resting it on something stable when you are taking pictures if possible. Also, make sure you are holding down the shutter button to focus before you let go.
Done this, camera appears more blurry on the display even before taking a picture. Camcorder appears much more sharp and vivid.
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Unsure how it has a wider viewing angle, it is the same hardware.
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The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
spitefulcheerio said:
The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
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Partially correct, the camera physically moves to focus, but it's not changing the viewing angle. http://www.newscaletech.com/phone_camera.html
The resolution is changed within the app, it just crops the image. Camcorder is just likely sampling at a higher rate so there's less noise, and the stock camera app on the atrix is terrible.
spitefulcheerio said:
The camera does not have a fixed lens, it can focus and zoom. When the camera is being used, the lens is at it's widest angle possible. Since the camcorder would not be able to process that wide of a video fast enough in 720p, the lens has a shorter viewing angle (aka wider focal length).
I'm big in photography so I'm speaking from knowledge of cameras and it may or may not be the same on cell hpones...but I'm pretty sure it is.
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The term "fixed lens" is ambiguous, since it doesn't specify which aspect is "fixed."
The Atrix camera module has a fixed focal length lens (i.e. not a zoom lens), but it is not a fixed focus lens (i.e. it has variable focus, in this case autofocus). The "zoom" function is just digital zoom, electronically cropping the image.
In video capture mode, the camera is cropping a section of the sensor, rather than using its full area as in still camera mode. (This increases the apparent focal length of the lens, but it's not actually changing the optics.) The video mode probably does this so that the resolution in the portion of the sensor used is a regular multiple of the video capture resolution, which can greatly simplify the image processing requirements.
Regarding the OP's original question, the viewfinder image appears sharper in video capture mode, but if you actually capture still and video images of the same scene, the still images are sharper. The better looking viewfinder in video mode is probably a result of the same reason they only use a cropped section of the sensor. It's like if you view an image in Photoshop at 25% size, it looks great because it's easy to scale the pixels that way, but if you view it at some usual magnification like 43%, it looks fuzzy.
Well I am trying to see if there is a way to record with the resolution 1392x1392 which is the high MP taking picture. It has better clarity than the 1280x720p.
Hello devlopers and friends Ever since I brought poco f1 and installed gcam and other third party camera apps my front camera resolution drops to 5mp. Only official camera app is able to use 20 mp resolution.
I know there are many threads about pixel Bining and stuff but i don't agree with them. The main problem is at the end a 5Mp Image is 5Mp and 20 Mp is 20 mp.
But i think and request devlopers to please look to it.
## According to my theory As confirmed by Device info Harware app There are three camera sensors in poco F1 out of which the one with camera ID 0 is 13 the one with camera ID 1 is 20 and with camera ID 2 is is 5 megapixel.
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13 Mp back camera primary Camera Id 0
5mp back camera primary camera Id2
20 mp front camera Id 1
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According to my theory the five megapixel and the 20 megapixel camera are conflicting with each other and gcam is taking the values from 5 megapixel instead of 20 megapixel sensor. So I request that developers that they can try I and confirm if it is the case and if it is true please make a fix for it
thanks
On specs sheet, the front facing camera has 20mp but in gcam it says 5mp. Google Camera is using what they called "Pixel Binning" and it is a software implementation.
This process is the procedure of combining a cluster of pixels into a single pixel. As such, in 2x2 binning, an array of 4 pixels becomes a single larger pixel, reducing the overall number of pixels.
13mp back camera is the main camera shooter
5mp back camera is the depth sensor
20mp front camera is the secondary camera shooter
One good example is this
Darklouis said:
On specs sheet, the front facing camera has 20mp but in gcam it says 5mp. Google Camera is using what they called "Pixel Binning" and it is a software implementation.
This process is the procedure of combining a cluster of pixels into a single pixel. As such, in 2x2 binning, an array of 4 pixels becomes a single larger pixel, reducing the overall number of pixels.
13mp back camera is the main camera shooter
5mp back camera is the depth sensor
20mp front camera is the secondary camera shooter
One good example is this
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Thanks for replying
The question is that why gcam and other apps detect only 5mp sensor.
Lets agree gcam uses pixel Bining and stuff.
But why other apps detect and capture 5mp are they all using pixel Bining.
And why only Mi Camera can capture at full potential of the sensor. Is there a catch we all are ignoring.
Pixel Bining or not at the end when zoomed 5Mp image is storing lesser data .
And also imagine a 20mp full resolution shot with gcam cam make things go from OK to wow.
harshgohan said:
Thanks for replying
The question is that why gcam and other apps detect only 5mp sensor.
Lets agree gcam uses pixel Bining and stuff.
But why other apps detect and capture 5mp are they all using pixel Bining.
And why only Mi Camera can capture at full potential of the sensor. Is there a catch we all are ignoring.
Pixel Bining or not at the end when zoomed 5Mp image is storing lesser data .
And also imagine a 20mp full resolution shot with gcam cam make things go from OK to wow.
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It doesn't really change anything. And it doesn't mean more resolution = more quality. It is a matter of fact of image processing. If you really compare MIUI Stock Camera and Google Camera, you will see the big difference from the two since that Stock Camera doesn't uses Pixel Binning algorithm
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It doesn't really change anything. And it doesn't mean more resolution = more quality. It is a matter of fact of image processing. If you really compare MIUI Stock Camera and Google Camera, you will see the big difference from the two since that Stock Camera doesn't uses Pixel Binning algorithm
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Pixel binning gives better shots in low lighting conditions only. No significant difference in well lit conditions. Thats why i want to capture with full resolution in Google camera because its awesome.
Also if pixel binning is so justified why don't we capture 3 mp photo with rear camera and say its better than 13mp because its not
Justified ( That 20 mp shot from miui cam is not good than gcam)
Not justified ( That it is due to only pixel binning . It is due to google computational algorithms.)
#pixelbinning is justified only in badly lit photos not everywhere
Agreed doesn't mean More resolution=more quality
But More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of gcam it means awesome shot)
More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of miui camera it means ok shot cause it does not uses multiple shots and algorithms to produce good shots)
harshgohan said:
Pixel binning gives better shots in low lighting conditions only. No significant difference in well lit conditions. Thats why i want to capture with full resolution in Google camera because its awesome.
Also if pixel binning is so justified why don't we capture 3 mp photo with rear camera and say its better than 13mp because its not
Justified ( That 20 mp shot from miui cam is not good than gcam)
Not justified ( That it is due to only pixel binning . It is due to google computational algorithms.)
#pixelbinning is justified only in badly lit photos not everywhere
Agreed doesn't mean More resolution=more quality
But More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of gcam it means awesome shot)
More resolution =More information per inch in captured shot ( in case of miui camera it means ok shot cause it does not uses multiple shots and algorithms to produce good shots)
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Then use the stock camera if you really wanted the 20mp. Use gcam if you wanted better image processing.
This was explained a long time ago and it is really not a big issue or some conspiracy about the 20mp sensor
Yes it is a issue One plus devices had this issue Zen devices had issues similar in Auxiliary camera regarding resolutions on gcam. All those were fixed due to efforts of devlopers.But i think people just want to accept everything and not work it out. If some one can try to find a fix there will be a fix. But if everyone just accept the fate lie down nothing is gonna happen
Similar issue, i can't change photo camera resolution on miui 11.0.5.0.
harshgohan said:
According to my theory the five megapixel and the 20 megapixel camera are conflicting with each other and gcam is taking the values from 5 megapixel instead of 20 megapixel sensor. So I request that developers that they can try I and confirm if it is the case and if it is true please make a fix for it
thanks
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Dude, you are suggesting your gcam is taking front selfies with rear 5MP sensor?
A 20MP image is only twice as big 5MP image. Not 4 times big.
Gcam 5MP selfie carries much more details than 20MP MiUi camera, day or night. Period. MiUi camera does a lot smoothening.
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Gcam 5MP selfie carries much more details than 20MP MiUi camera, day or night. Period. MiUi camera does a lot smoothening.
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Or maybe gcam does lot's of sharpening to make them look "detailed" zoomed out? When zoomed in you can see tiny coloured squares.
Update I used Redmi note8 Pro and Redmi k20 pro with gcam They all produce 5 mp front and 12mp back irrespective of the sensor resolution. Maybe gcam only supports these resolution maximum.
Honestly i would love larger resolution support with gcam .
In k20pro gcam can take images in 48 MP resolution
In back But issue is in front it only takes with 5mp resolution and this 5MP resolution is useless when you zoom the image or see it laptop you can see amount of noise.This really need a fix .
Can i disable Pixel Bining
I think no devloper is interested in This.
I wish there were devs who would look at it but sad thing is no one really care
True story
Actually Gcam detects full one Megapixel when individual pixel size is more that 1.1 π size..
Poco f1 or other Xiaomi phone with 20mp sensor has individual pixel size of 0.8/0.9/1.0 π size.
But Gcam detect full 13mp in my Redmi note 5 AI because the sensor's pixel size is 1.12 π.
Thus even in my old device has a 13mp insane Gcam selfie.
Hello there, this is dedicated to all my photographers and videographers of LG G8x.
First things first, no matter what how many times you complaint them the problem is not fixable through software updates because front camera have fixed focus.
So i think there is no other option than this.
Case 1: (Professional phone photographers)
Guys if you are carrying a 35mm or 50mm then mount it to the front camera and zooming 1.5x is the solution for shooting 4:3 aspect ratios and only 1.2x zoom for 9:16 or higher aspect ratios.
+ Get lot of blur or shallow depth of field.
+ Can use Canon or Nikon lenses to achieve high end quality. Plus features if your lens have OIS, UV protection etc.
- Weight is a problem.
- Zooming 1.5x makes photo to loose its quality a little bit (especially in nights).
Case 2: (Cheap solution)
This is an inexpensive solution, get yourself a wide angle lens for under 200 rupees for indians and under 2 US dollars.
Buy that 3 in one lens and use the wide angle and zoom 1.2x for 4:3 aspect ratio and 1.1x for 9:16 or higher aspect ratios.
+ Very Cheap
+ Light Weight
+ Less zoom means lesser quality reduction
- No quality lenses are used, little bit lesser color reproduction.
Buy anywhere online by typing 3 in 1 lenses for phone.
Hope this would help you out, if helps don't say thanks but help me find a solution to record 1080p 240 fps video with zooming (stock camera doesn't allow zooming in that setting)
Filmic pro is not working for slow motion .
Moment pro camera doesn't work for slow motion.
Google Camera doesn't record slow motion.
Suggest me a way to do this.
Thank you for all the patience.
Arvindrockz79 said:
Hello there, this is dedicated to all my photographers and videographers of LG G8x.
First things first, no matter what how many times you complaint them the problem is not fixable through software updates because front camera have fixed focus.
So i think there is no other option than this.
Case 1: (Professional phone photographers)
Guys if you are carrying a 35mm or 50mm then mount it to the front camera and zooming 1.5x is the solution for shooting 4:3 aspect ratios and only 1.2x zoom for 9:16 or higher aspect ratios.
+ Get lot of blur or shallow depth of field.
+ Can use Canon or Nikon lenses to achieve high end quality. Plus features if your lens have OIS, UV protection etc.
- Weight is a problem.
- Zooming 1.5x makes photo to loose its quality a little bit (especially in nights).
Case 2: (Cheap solution)
This is an inexpensive solution, get yourself a wide angle lens for under 200 rupees for indians and under 2 US dollars.
Buy that 3 in one lens and use the wide angle and zoom 1.2x for 4:3 aspect ratio and 1.1x for 9:16 or higher aspect ratios.
+ Very Cheap
+ Light Weight
+ Less zoom means lesser quality reduction
- No quality lenses are used, little bit lesser color reproduction.
Buy anywhere online by typing 3 in 1 lenses for phone.
Hope this would help you out, if helps don't say thanks but help me find a solution to record 1080p 240 fps video with zooming (stock camera doesn't allow zooming in that setting)
Filmic pro is not working for slow motion .
Moment pro camera doesn't work for slow motion.
Google Camera doesn't record slow motion.
Suggest me a way to do this.
Thank you for all the patience.
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why you actualy need to zoom ,just crope the video after recording done ,using a video editor.
our device didn't have an optical zoom even in photo mode if we zoom 8x it just uses its digital zoom.
you just click a pic at 8x and same pic at 1x then you crop the 1x pic to 8x then compare 8x pic vs croped pic. result will be same:fingers-crossed:
give me a like, i gave you a solution with best explanation
I appreciate your idea but actually thing is when you film it with no zoom and crop it later, same results i agree. But you won't get the flexibility of knowing what exactly you ate shooting, you can't see the full sized video as a reference while shooting.
1) You barely see the depth.
2) Hard to manage White balance and Exposure.
I do need some other working apps that would support this phone zooming while filming at 1080p 240fps.
Tried many of the popular apps
Google Camera, Filmic Pro, Moment pro camera, Proshot, Hedge camera 2, (MiUi 11 Camera, Oneplus Camera- Stock).
Arvindrockz79 said:
I appreciate your idea but actually thing is when you film it with no zoom and crop it later, same results i agree. But you won't get the flexibility of knowing what exactly you ate shooting, you can't see the full sized video as a reference while shooting.
1) You barely see the depth.
2) Hard to manage White balance and Exposure.
I do need some other working apps that would support this phone zooming while filming at 1080p 240fps.
Tried many of the popular apps
Google Camera, Filmic Pro, Moment pro camera, Proshot, Hedge camera 2, (MiUi 11 Camera, Oneplus Camera- Stock).
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Filimic pro have the support of zooming in(@240fps) i tried it working:laugh:
Wondering how much storage space will one picture take for the Google Pixel 6 take with the new 50MP camera. My current Google XL 2 using a 12MP camera would take ~5MB/picture.
The sensor uses pixel binning, so the output image is 12,5 MP.
The binned picture file size is also worryingly low. I wish they gave us more.optiions to select and store higher quality images and video.
You can always save in raw + jpeg, though I'm not entirely sure if it processes the raw image
This main 50 megspixel camera is compressing the photo so much that having 50 mp is useless. Too much compression and still using their computational technology at 12 megapixels so we aren't really seeing what the difference a 50 megapixel camera would make. File sizes should be 25 mb or higher with a jpeg at 50 megapixels. Yes I'm a photographer
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This main 50 megspixel camera is compressing the photo so much that having 50 mp is useless. Too much compression and still using their computational technology at 12 megapixels so we aren't really seeing what the difference a 50 megapixel camera would make. File sizes should be 25 mb or higher with a jpeg at 50 megapixels. Yes I'm a photographer
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You are right. Apart from some improvement to noise levels and colour, the details are virtually the same as my pixel 4xl.
I think the only real benefit of the 50MP sensor is when you zoom (hopefully). So when you zoom in it no longer pixel bins and you're using a native 12MP section of the sensor before you get into digital-only zoom.
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I think the only real benefit of the 50MP sensor is when you zoom (hopefully). So when you zoom in it no longer pixel bins and you're using a native 12MP section of the sensor before you get into digital-only zoom.
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I haven't found that to be the case. There is a 2x zoom that doesn't look too bad (slightly oilpaint like) and a 4x that is the optical zoom on the telephoto sensor that's very good... Another issue is the camera automatically switches between the main sensor at 4x and the telephoto 4x sensor depending on focal distance so you can't use the 4x optical to take close shots.
So what's the point of a 50MP sensor binned to 12.5MP if it always does it? Why not use a native 12.5MP sensor and get even more light in, by avoiding the gaps between the pixels used in each 'bin'?
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So what's the point of a 50MP sensor binned to 12.5MP if it always does it? Why not use a native 12.5MP sensor and get even more light in, by avoiding the gaps between the pixels used in each 'bin'?
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better low light, better noise reduction
WibblyW said:
So what's the point of a 50MP sensor binned to 12.5MP if it always does it? Why not use a native 12.5MP sensor and get even more light in, by avoiding the gaps between the pixels used in each 'bin'?
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As above, better noise level and light input.
Definitely better pictures on the main and 4x sensor than the pixel 4 xl for sure.
I just wish we had a full size version and higher quality image export.
So using 4x small pixels in a bin is better than one big one the same size for noise/light (assuming the technologies are the same)?
Ok so that seems to be the case
Hamamatsu Learning Center: Pixel Binning
A charge-coupled device (CCD) is a semiconductor ideally suited for use in digital imaging applications as a means of transferring integrated photogenerated charge.
hamamatsu.magnet.fsu.edu
Photos would be much better in well-lit situations using 50 megapixels. Pixel binning down to 12 megapixels would be fine in low light but it's not acceptable to me to do this in well-lit situations. They need an update for the camera to decide when the situation is lit well enough to use the 50 megapixels and to decide when it's not lit well enough and use the 12.5 megapixels as they are. Because regardless of what anyone thinks s 50 megapixel photo would have much more detail than what's being done now by binning every photo. Google has to make a decision to move forward with their camera and use it to its fullest potential in which they are not doing now.
If i want a photo with 50 mpx can i just use raw ? Or it still bins?
DMart9406 said:
If i want a photo with 50 mpx can i just use raw ? Or it still bins?
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Still a 12mp image. The file size is larger however and there's more info from the sensor to play with.
RAW images will also not be compressed in a lossy way
Maybe some gcam ports will allow us to take photos in 50 mpx...
I invite you to my post here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/samsung-isocell-gn1-sensor.4359031/#post-85911883
Its a quad Bayer subpixel layout. Because it groups four of the same color pixel together it only has 12.5 mp of color data. The 50 mp claim is marketing bs. Essentially it just upscales the 12.5 mp image using the extra luma data. The sensor is also too small for 50 mp to turn out well.
The main advantage is you can do an HDR photo with one exposure. Because there's four subpixels, you can have four different exposure values with one photo. Although I don't think Google is utilizing this.
A 50mp picture would be a total waste with the lenses in these phones. The "extra" detail that a 50mp could show would be offset by the poor quality lenses (I'm speaking in general terms here - not specifically about one phone or another). These tiny phone lenses can only produce so much sharpness, clarity and detail. In other words, eventually it's the lenses that are the limiting factor in the picture quality and putting in a sensor with such high resolution that it greatly exceeds the quality of the lens will not produce better images.
By binning the sensor pixels, you get the benefit of "larger pixels" (so more light absorption) without exceeding the quality limitations of the lenses.