With all of the problems that the Pixel 6 / 6Pro have encountered in its 6 month existence, how can you still say that this is a great phone??
Set aside the “mY pHoNe iS wOrKiNg FiNe” BS for just a minute, and acknowledge that there are thousands of others not as fortunate. Google has literally admitted that many are experiencing connectivity issues, and that they may fix it in the June update…. How is this acceptable to you, as a Pixel supporter?
The main purpose of a phone is communication, right? Connectivity issues prevents communication, right?
Let’s use a car comparison; a car’s main purpose is to drive, right?? What if Ford released a car 6 months ago, and for thousands of customers, this new car just…won’t drive sometimes? You can’t quite explain why; it turns on fine…but sometimes, it just won’t move. Ford said said that if you come by their shop in June, they should be able to figure out why it stops driving sometimes. In the meantime, just sit tight in your car…or take an uber if you need to get somewhere.
Ford would be facing bankruptcy and millions of lawsuits (from customers, and from dealerships) if this happened. So why does Google get a pass for essentially making a car that doesn’t drive all the time?
Google has made incredible phones. It’s okay to admit that this one time, they created a terrible phone that will be forgotten about when the 7 comes out.
It's just a phone, who cares if it's 'forgotten about', I don't fret over whether my taps are forgotten about or my towels are forgotten about (yes I'm typing this while taking a dump). Mine works fine, too bad if yours doesnt- return it. People shouldn't be trying to find deeper personal meaning in their possessions. Look up commodity fetishism.
My phone bought a week back has been working flawlessly, stable and force close free.
Perhaps the first batches of the phones are the ones that are giving issues.
Same goes for my previous phone the P2 XL I waiting to almost a year later to buy it and had zero issues with the device.
The P6 is a pleasure to use and I feel sorry for anyone that is encountering serious problems since I don't see any of the problems myself.
Definitely look into RMA or return the device within the time frame after purchasing.
The only downside is the fingerprint reader of course, I miss the one from my P2 XL.
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My phone bought a week back has been working flawlessly, stable and force close free.
Perhaps the first batches of the phones are the ones that are giving issues.
Same goes for my previous phone the P2 XL I waiting to almost a year later to buy it and had zero issues with the device.
The P6 is a pleasure to use and I feel sorry for anyone that is encountering serious problems since I don't see any of the problems myself.
Definitely look into RMA or return the device within the time frame after purchasing.
The only downside is the fingerprint reader of course, I miss the one from my P2 XL.
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Some really good reports coming out on A13 beta 2 FPR. I can't install a beta now but hopefully this will either roll out to us soon or give us a very stable beta 3 to install. I'm very disappointed with the FPR even though it works most of the time now. After a shower forget about it. However, on the positive side my hands are very supple now but my wife wants to know why I have moisturizer with me at all times.
Now let's get back to the OP and the comparison of a $40,000 automobile with a $600 phone. One can travel at 150 Km/hr and get you a misdemeanor in jail for doing that. The other will take a picture of you behind bars. One you can get into the backseat of and make love. The other you can take a selfie with... hmm. ok not a great comparison. Ok, here's one. A car can take you to a store to get a replacement but you can't take a phone to get you a new car. But then again there's Uber.. hmm.. Silliness aside, how can anyone compare an automobile to a phone and try to equivocate the two? Oh well, Saturday entertainment I guess.
i am not a diehard other then for android, most of the issues the pixel 6 has are from software and not hardware ( other then just lemon devices). its nice to have a lot of features, but how about google fix the issues your users have before you push new features and new systems?
it would be better if android had a two year cycle with less system changes. more fixes and more software plugins for OS features that users can choose or deny.
i have 3 google devices and the pixel 6 is the most buggy of the bunch and android 12 has been annoying from the start
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i am not a diehard other then for android, most of the issues the pixel 6 has are from software and not hardware ( other then just lemon devices). its nice to have a lot of features, but how about google fix the issues your users have before you push new features and new systems?
it would be better if android had a two year cycle with less system changes. more fixes and more software plugins for OS features that users can choose or deny.
i have 3 google devices and the pixel 6 is the most buggy of the bunch and android 12 has been annoying from the start
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You sir are a 100% right that it is a software issue that causes issues.
Not the Android OS, but the apks, mods, Roms, kernels, etc.
There seems to be a habit of people following social media and YouTube videos. And these people will come to XDA for help after they ruin their device.
It is not the Google fault if people do not stick to the basics.
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I find it funny that every year when Google releases a new device with a new Operating system. That people will complain it is the worst device ever.
And they will say in the same breath that the previous year was the best device ever.
If do not believe me, look at all past Google devices and see what was said.
The bottom line is when the Pixel 7 is released with Android 13. It will be the worst device ever and the Pixel 6 will be the best ever.
This all sounds like a cry for attention to me.
I goty first pixel 6 pro on 25th march got home charged it and did the set up from previous back up somehow the phone boot looped I couldn't fix it that was Saturday got a replacement device on the Tuesday as shop didn't have a replacement and I didn't take the paperwork.
Got replacement phone amdnib had no problems at all with it works as should
Let's face it though the fingerprint reader is a joke. It shares the same hardware as other devices that work flawlessly. Yes l know some people don't have issues bla bla bla don't waste your time posting that there are enough people that do.
But FP reader aside the biggest problem with the pixel 6 is android 12 is Garbage. Watching some of Google IO yet again there saying the pixel 7 has the best ever battery life sure they said that last year and the year before and the year before and the year before
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Let's face it though the fingerprint reader is a joke. It shares the same hardware as other devices that work flawlessly. Yes l know some people don't have issues bla bla bla don't waste your time posting that there are enough people that do.
But FP reader aside the biggest problem with the pixel 6 is android 12 is Garbage. Watching some of Google IO yet again there saying the pixel 7 has the best ever battery life sure they said that last year and the year before and the year before and the year before
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I always liked the P5 finger print reader.
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If do not believe me, look at all past Google devices and see what was said.
The bottom line is when the Pixel 7 is released with Android 13. It will be the worst device ever and the Pixel 6 will be the best ever.
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You hit the nail in the head. 100%. Been like this since the early days of the Nexus program.
That said my P6 has been flawless. My wife's too. Same for a friend of ours who has one. Ditto for a guy at work.
The ones with problems always post the most.
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You hit the nail in the head. 100%. Been like this since the early days of the Nexus program.
That said my P6 has been flawless. My wife's too. Same for a friend of ours who has one. Ditto for a guy at work.
The ones with problems always post the most.
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Can't say I know my Pixel 6 well enough to love it, but I'm Ok with it. We won't do better for the price, IMO. The fingerprint sensor drives me bat**** when it really matters but most times it doesn't matter. Other than that my first Pixel is doing its job well enough. I chalk up any problems to the early adopter tax.
A separate thread has claims that Android 13 improved the fingerprint sensor so that's promising. Maybe A13 improves camera issues too.
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Can't say I know my Pixel 6 well enough to love it, but I'm Ok with it. We won't do better for the price, IMO. The fingerprint sensor drives me bat**** when it really matters but most times it doesn't matter. Other than that my first Pixel is doing its job well enough. I chalk up any problems to the early adopter tax.
A separate thread has claims that Android 13 improved the fingerprint sensor so that's promising. Maybe A13 improves camera issues too.
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My main reason for the Pixel 6, instead of the pro was the price.
Other manufacturers are at twice the price. Unless you go of the grid and get something like the Blu.
No matter what kind of device it is, a forum dedicated to that device will be filled with complaints, and it will appear that the device is unreliable, faulty, buggy etc. This has been the case for every phone I've owned, every fitness tracker I've owned, every computer I've owned, even a few cars I've owned. Few people will post just to let you know how great the device is.
My phone is, .....how did you put it..... '“mY pHoNe iS wOrKiNg FiNe”
My P6 is quick, lasts all day, doesn't crash, takes great pictures, does everything it's supposed to, and works pretty good as a phone too. No buyers remorse, no other phone I'd rather have.
That has not been my experience. Phone has been great. Sure it sounds like some people (and perhaps more than usual) have had issues, but that is true of any phone. Pixel 6 is most popular Pixel ever because it is good at a reasonable price point.
With all of the problems that the Pixel 6 / 6Pro have encountered in its 6 month existence, how can you still say that this is a great phone??
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Simple, ~I~ have not encountered these problems, and my phone in my experience has been great.
Set aside the “mY pHoNe iS wOrKiNg FiNe” BS for just a minute, and acknowledge that there are thousands of others not as fortunate.
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The fact that "my phone is working fine" is not "BS", it's a matter of fact. Discounting the "thousands of others" who have not had problems illustrates the flaw in your logic.
Google ... may fix it in the June update…. How is this acceptable to you, as a Pixel supporter?
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Apple just pushed iOS 15.5, what about all the bugs they fixed in that release? Microsoft just released updates for Windows. My Linux distro just got a hundred updates on my last apt get update | apt get upgrade. How is that acceptable to iPhone, Windows, or Linux users? Simple: Software, by its nature, has bugs. The developer of the software identifies and fixes the bugs, and releases patches. That's literally the software product life cycle.
If the phone doesn't work for you, get another one. Simple. But don't take the negative press as gospel. Media outlets make money from selling ads, but they need traffic to get that money... and to get that traffic they run sensational, polarizing headlines and articles. The more fantastic the claim, the better - for the media outlet.
Headlines like "Bugs affect less than 1% of users" or "90%+ of users haven't reported any problems" aren't going to get clicks, so they don't get written, and all you see are the negatively biased articles.
I used to be in the biz, I wrote oodles of tech articles, so I know first-hand what's going on. Don't get suckered into negativity.
@joelevi He already was suckered into negativity, as both his post and subsequent behavior demonstrate.
He was never interested in actual discussion. Responding to him at all will do nothing as he has closed his mind to all attempts to reason with him. The best we can do is what you did: poke holes in his logic and shake our heads sadly at him, letting him wallow in his ignorance. Meanwhile we enjoy our devices.
I've had my issues with the device for sure. But I came from an OP9 that was a "flagship" device that had NO OIS, constant issues with Android Auto connectivity, and was just a complete waste of $900 despite my love of Oxygen OS.
I'm on A13 Beta 2 and the fingerprint reader is MUCH more reliable, and about as fast as my GF's Samsung Galaxy 20 FE. Why they haven't rolled the FP fix out from A13 to A12 is ridiculous, I agree, but the Beta has been working exceptionally well for me.
All the other nitpicks I've had with the Pixel 6 came from the Launcher, and the lack of a weather app. I fixed those by installing Ruthless Launcher, and APKs for Oneplus Weather and Oneplus Widgets. That's the great thing about Android. It's customizable, and you can take it upon yourself to find things you like.
I just realized that there is a Pixel 7 thread already. The P7 is 6 month away and the complaints on the screen size has started in one thread. The specs have not been released yet for the P7.
Case and point... Lol...
It's their first try at the new Tensor chip, it is pretty normal to expect bugs since no other device in history was coded to work on a similar platform. Also, with May update i encounter only minor bugs which don't alter with the phone functionality, maybe i'm a particular case or just Google took action of those bugs.
What do you expect from a 600$ not chinese phone with top tier SoC, camera and build quality?
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So I've had my ups and downs with this tablet. My GPS has been borked since day 1, no biggie to me but I don't like that fact. They gave me an adapter that works, for free. Never use it...
I'm on my 3rd free RMA, it is being shipped back to me now even though I wanted to pick it up...anyway, each free RMA was definitely caused by my own actions. So they have fixed my prime 3 times now when I have been the problem. Of course, I don't state it that way to them and I am very polite...
Each RMA has been super fast too, never more than 3 days!
I have my gripes with this tablet, like: why the hell was it so laggy after the JB update?! or why the hell couldn't I connect to my adhoc wifi originally?! Which made it useless to me to begin with. So, I have had serious issues with my tf201 from day one, but Asus & SMS Infocomm has resonded quickly and exceeded my expectations every time. I straight up told the guy (same guy that has taken my tablet all 3 RMA's) this last time, that it was my fault the tablet is bricked. Told him it is unloacked and I messed it up. Asus, still warranted it and no charges to me.
With all that being said, I don't think there are enough positive experiences being posted on here. I would like to see more positivity.
Also, this is making me seriously consider getting an Asus Transformer Book i7 when they are available!
true that tf200 sucks big time especially for its price tag at time of release.
1. gps doesn't work
2. wifi is piss poor
3. slow i/o
4. dead camera within 9 months
5. volume is soft
1+2 is alleviated with dongle which is goodwill on asus side.
3 is a downer. my sgs2 can install apps much quicker.
5 i use loudness app
To answer your lack of positive threads in this forum, i believe most tf200 like me are satisfied with our mainstream usage. People with negative experiences are much much more likely to voice out their opinions.
androwookie rom is amazing. you shd give it a try.
in short, tf200 is beta product. some HW flaws can be fixed by rma. SW lag can be improved by custom roms.
Given a choice, if I had perfect information, I would have skipped the Prime or Asus tablets entirely and bought Windows 8 Tabs.
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true that tf200 sucks big time especially for its price tag at time of release.
1. gps doesn't work
2. wifi is piss poor
3. slow i/o
4. dead camera within 9 months
5. volume is soft
1+2 is alleviated with dongle which is goodwill on asus side.
3 is a downer. my sgs2 can install apps much quicker.
5 i use loudness app
To answer your lack of positive threads in this forum, i believe most tf200 like me are satisfied with our mainstream usage. People with negative experiences are much much more likely to voice out their opinions.
androwookie rom is amazing. you shd give it a try.
in short, tf200 is beta product. some HW flaws can be fixed by rma. SW lag can be improved by custom roms.
Given a choice, if I had perfect information, I would have skipped the Prime or Asus tablets entirely and bought Windows 8 Tabs.
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I think it's a good deal more profound than that, consider: what sort of person goes to a modding forum to ask for help? someone who is happy with the device? or someone who is unhappy and wants to change it ?
I bought my TF201 in Jan of last year and it has been rockin' the whole time, The only issue I have noticed of those listed is that there are some minor lag issues with JB, but only when I use certain apps. (firefox mobile lags, dolphin does not.
In that time I have not been very active on XDA at all, thus have not posted my positive review- I haven't had a reason to come here
The only reason I'm here now Is that I'm bored today and don't have much else to do.
I work tech support and we see this all the time- we get calls from about 10% of the users, and they are unhappy. No one else calls tech support because they don't break their computers
Good points.
I just like tinkering with these things and have had no problems with my phones when rooting, unlocking, and installing custom roms. I am, however, having hell with this thing. I follow steps to the tee and brick it every time. So I'm done messing with it now. It's not as laggy now as when I sent it in. Maybe there was yet another update between the time I bricked it and they re-flashed it.
I would like to say that SMS Infocomm has been fast as hell fixing this thing for me and it has always been free of charge to me. Although they scratched it once the 2nd time, and scuffed it up this time (3rd rma). Very unhappy about the scuffing. You pay $600 for something............rant avoided.
Anyway, my experience with the rma process has been extensive and I'm very happy with the turn around time.
Anybody have any thoughts on the transformer book tx300?
Its good to hear that story!
I am right there with you... rooted and unlocked tons of devices; LG, Samsung, and HTC, and ive never had any issues. The TF201 i managed to brick with hardly any ROM'ing at all.. And I am ridiculously careful!
Anyways, I ALMOST posted mine on Ebay for parts, but decided to pull it and just try an RMA first, even though i was fully aware it had no warranty anymore and I had personally bricked it. Its been about two weeks now (much longer than I had expected) and the status is still "product is being repaired." Its been that way for about a week now. Hopefully since I wasnt already contacted about the cost, they are indeed fixing it under warranty. If so, I will be more than delighted.... but I will be selling that mother for a Nexus 10 straight away
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In that time I have not been very active on XDA at all, thus have not posted my positive review- I haven't had a reason to come here
The only reason I'm here now Is that I'm bored today and don't have much else to do.
I work tech support and we see this all the time- we get calls from about 10% of the users, and they are unhappy. No one else calls tech support because they don't break their computers
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I agree. I bought mine right when they came out in December and never had any problems until the JB update, and that was just a little lag. I didn't post anything on here because I didn't have any problems, so i was just lurking around on here. Any questions I had I asked on a transformer specific forum that I was already a member of. I think the prime gets a worse reputation that it deserves because the people posting are the minority of owners, and the silent majority are content with their purchases. I only returned mine because getting a full refund for a year old tablet was too good to pass up, so I returned it and got a new laptop.
First off: I am not anti-Google. I use all the main Google apps. I have had four Android phones, own 2 Nexus 7's and would take Android over iOS any day of the week.
But...
I am through with this piece of crap that passes for the Nexus 10.
Since buying this thing when it first came out I have had to put up with dodgy wifi connections, creaky flexing back panels, random freezes and reboots, and - worst of all - deal-breakingly poor quality control on the screens. I have been through several RMAs with Google Play (to the point where they are refusing to send me any more replacements - and at the moment they are not even replying to my emails) and am now on my 5th device. All of the devices have had unacceptable levels of light bleed, and - worse still - blotchy screens with uneven yellow or blue tints. I have been through nightmares with the Play store and TNT trying to get devices returned and shipped, and have a pile of email correspondence so long that it could be turned into a Peter Jackson trilogy. The Play store is staffed by some of the greatest morons that I have ever had the misfortune to have to deal with. I have constantly been given wrong or misleading information, and have had to harass and badger them at every stage to get anything done. I still have a device listed as 'pending' on my Google Wallet that has long since been returned, despite being told on numerous occasions that an 'expert' was going to remove it.
For anyone with a perfect device, or who is just happy with their's however it is: I am genuinely pleased for you. This could, and more importantly, should, have been an amazing piece of kit. But as it is, my time with the Nexus 10 has been, without any shadow of a doubt, the absolute worst customer experience I have had in my entire life, by a long country mile.
My blotchy, creaky, light bleedy slab of **** is going back. I'll be getting a full refund and returning to my long neglected iPad. Which actually works like it's supposed to.
YMMV
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When you got the second sample and were still unhappy then it was masochistic to keep trying. You should have given up and ended the pain way before getting to the fifth device. Clearly it is not designed to the quality you require and most, if not all, of the samples were probably typical of the quality of everyone else's.
Crap is in the eye of the beholder. Many others, including myself, are not sensitive to the defects you point out. I don't care about an occasional reboot (which only happened in the first day for me), the light bleed, case cracking sounds, etc. Different people have different needs.
You were asking the support people to make the product right for you, which is probably impossible given that particular design. How do you expect them to behave? They certainly aren't going to say the nexus 10 is **** and they also can't say that you are wrong. The nexus 10 is not **** for most people and you are not wrong for wanting a particular level of quality.
To make a long story short you should walk away and spend your energy finding something better instead of banging your head against a lost cause.
+1 for "my two cents"
Well it took me forever to get a good one... Returns and repairs but its pretty good now.
Funny you praise the nexus 7 while cursing this one. I got 8 crap n7s in a row. Finding one without bleed and lifted screen is like finding a unicorn. The ones not plagued by screen issues are pretty cool... The same can be said for the n10.
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First off: I am not anti-Google. I use all the main Google apps. I have had four Android phones, own 2 Nexus 7's and would take Android over iOS any day of the week.
But...
I am through with this piece of crap that passes for the Nexus 10.
Since buying this thing when it first came out I have had to put up with dodgy wifi connections, creaky flexing back panels, random freezes and reboots, and - worst of all - deal-breakingly poor quality control on the screens. I have been through several RMAs with Google Play (to the point where they are refusing to send me any more replacements - and at the moment they are not even replying to my emails) and am now on my 5th device. All of the devices have had unacceptable levels of light bleed, and - worse still - blotchy screens with uneven yellow or blue tints. I have been through nightmares with the Play store and TNT trying to get devices returned and shipped, and have a pile of email correspondence so long that it could be turned into a Peter Jackson trilogy. The Play store is staffed by some of the greatest morons that I have ever had the misfortune to have to deal with. I have constantly been given wrong or misleading information, and have had to harass and badger them at every stage to get anything done. I still have a device listed as 'pending' on my Google Wallet that has long since been returned, despite being told on numerous occasions that an 'expert' was going to remove it.
For anyone with a perfect device, or who is just happy with their's however it is: I am genuinely pleased for you. This could, and more importantly, should, have been an amazing piece of kit. But as it is, my time with the Nexus 10 has been, without any shadow of a doubt, the absolute worst customer experience I have had in my entire life, by a long country mile.
My blotchy, creaky, light bleedy slab of **** is going back. I'll be getting a full refund and returning to my long neglected iPad. Which actually works like it's supposed to.
YMMV
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Cool story
You know, I can see your point, but I can't see how it merits a new thread here.
What do we gain from reading it? What do you gain from us having read it? (I can totally understand what you gained by writing it, but why not pin in on a wall, be it real or virtual?).
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You know, I can see your point, but I can't see how it merits a new thread here.
What do we gain from reading it? What do you gain from us having read it? (I can totally understand what you gained by writing it, but why not pin in on a wall, be it real or virtual?).
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It is possible @boominski is a troll. Just saying.
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You know, I can see your point, but I can't see how it merits a new thread here.
What do we gain from reading it? What do you gain from us having read it? (I can totally understand what you gained by writing it, but why not pin in on a wall, be it real or virtual?).
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He is sharing his bad experience. Anyone looking to buy a Nexus 10 should be aware of both the good side, and bad sides.
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He is sharing his bad experience. Anyone looking to buy a Nexus 10 should be aware of both the good side, and bad sides.
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There is a difference between useful sharing of a bad experience and trashing it. He seems to be saying that he was harmed and the world owes him something. No company owes anyone anything unless they misrepresent the product or are outright fraudulent.
I actually feel sorry for the support team on this one. Sending 5 units is beyond the call of duty. I would quit responding to his emails also. A friend of mine worked in support and he called these customers "screamers". There was nothing you could do to make them happy. He wanted to tell them to give up and buy a competitors product but he could have lost his job for saying that.
It is *possible* he is an apple fan coming here to troll. I'm not accusing him but I've seen this on other forums many times. The fact that he says he is going back to his iPad is a clue.
I feel so sorry to the customer service handle your case.
Such customer shall be doing such job to learn the lesson.
Requesting 5 times changing was ridiculous. If 2nd change not fulfil your requirements. Stop continue and by just requested for full refund as it was known the thing never right nor matter how many times you change it.
It was great for your continue using back your satisfied iPad.
Think twice in future before repeating such hilarious attitude.
Idk, on one hand, if he really wanted the device, 5 tries at it doesn't seem too bad. On the other hand, if decent QC was actually existent, then so many replacements wouldn't have to be issued to find an "acceptable" device (for $400 I wouldn't deal with excessive screen bleed nor a creaky back either; luckily I have neither on my first device though).
So, it's either deal with the QC flaws on a $400 device, or annoy CS because of lack of QC. Maybe annoying them will actually make Google/Samsung do some better QC
As for the Apple part, I do agree it is kind of unnecessary. But then again if that's the tablet that works for him, then meh.
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There is a difference between useful sharing of a bad experience and trashing it. He seems to be saying that he was harmed and the world owes him something. No company owes anyone anything unless they misrepresent the product or are outright fraudulent.
I actually feel sorry for the support team on this one. Sending 5 units is beyond the call of duty. I would quit responding to his emails also. A friend of mine worked in support and he called these customers "screamers". There was nothing you could do to make them happy. He wanted to tell them to give up and buy a competitors product but he could have lost his job for saying that.
It is *possible* he is an apple fan coming here to troll. I'm not accusing him but I've seen this on other forums many times. The fact that he says he is going back to his iPad is a clue.
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Not trolling at all. Actually reading this on my Nexus 7 rather than my iPad. Android is so far ahead of iOS it feels like a backward step to have to use it. Was going to sell the thing if the Nexus 10 turned out right. Such a shame since the N10 pisses all over the iPad in every respect. Apart from the defective screen, obviously. I can overlook the creaks (put it in a case) and the light bleed (don't watch films in the dark).I can even overlook the WiFi and reboot issues, but an uneven screen is a deal breaker. I use my tablets primarily for reading, so yellow patches are highly distracting. And as for the Play Store staff: I have come across some who have been extremely helpful, but I've also been repeatedly given wrong information, lied to and messed about. The customer service is genuinely appalling. As for just giving in: it took me three exchanges to get a decent iPad (uneven screen again), so am not inclined to throw in the towel. What would make me happy? A reasonably uniform screen. I'm not looking for perfection. I know these are mass produced consumer products. But equally I see no reason to spend £300 on something sub-standard. If Google don't want me returning things then they should get their quality control sorted out. And yes - writing this has been cathartic.
Good bye
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As someone who has worked in retail for 17 year in positions that involve selling the general public goods what you hear from over the top customers is usually about 40% truth and 60% exaggeration in the hopes it will escalate their problem and get it resolved quickly to `their' satisifaction. Typically what is considered `their satisfaction' is a set of goal posts that never stops moving.
The replacement collectors I pay no attention to.. There is one dude around here that his signature is how he's had 5 Nexus 10 replacements and 5 Nexus 4 replacements.. Seriously.. I can't take that seriously..
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As someone who has worked in retail for 17 year in positions that involve selling the general public goods what you hear from over the top customers is usually about 40% truth and 60% exaggeration in the hopes it will escalate their problem and get it resolved quickly to `their' satisifaction. Typically what is considered `their satisfaction' is a set of goal posts that never stops moving.
The replacement collectors I pay no attention to.. There is one dude around here that his signature is how he's had 5 Nexus 10 replacements and 5 Nexus 4 replacements.. Seriously.. I can't take that seriously..
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Which part of my post do you think is an exaggeration? The part where I said that I wasn't looking for perfection, could live with light bleed, wifi drop-outs and reboots, but drew the line at wanting a 'reasonably' even screen in terms of temperature and light distribution was a clue as to what I consider my 'goalposts' to be. My iPad isn't perfect: the screen is not 100% uniform and it has minor light bleed. My Nexus 7 isn't perfect: it has some light bleed, wifi drop-outs and the screen flicker issue. My Android phone isn't perfect: the screen is not 100% even. But are they acceptable? Yes. Because. even though consumer devices are not perfect, they are of a 'reasonable' quality.
That = 'goalposts'.
Why is that too hard for some people to understand?
Nothing in this world is perfection.
From all you write, you are finding for perfection but just not admit only.
Why life so hard? You can't be happy and satisfied forever as you are too towards for perfection. They is no such thing in this world!
this thing is sooo slugish and freezes after 4.2.2 update
this thing is going to my sisters 7 year old. I already told him if he drops and breaks it he will be doing us all a favor. ever since the 4.2.2 update it became laggy in all areas.
i think the only good thing about this thing was the ppi.....i did a lot of ebook reading.
I ordered ( just got the confirmation from microsoft) a surface pro. sorry google, i tried so many times along with 4 rma's and i just cant do this any more. please open those brick motar stores you keep talking about. it will make it easier for us to return your products.
...joe
The customer service representatives tell you to return it until you get one you are satisfied with. Not the other way around. They are quick to offer another RMA. I stopped after the second one had horrible light bleed because I didn't want to play THEIR game any more. I got a refund and got the hell out of the crappy RMA merry go round. I'm waiting to hear if they have fixed the quality control issues but sadly it still sounds like a crap shoot.
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this thing is going to my sisters 7 year old. I already told him if he drops and breaks it he will be doing us all a favor. ever since the 4.2.2 update it became laggy in all areas.
i think the only good thing about this thing was the ppi.....i did a lot of ebook reading.
I ordered ( just got the confirmation from microsoft) a surface pro. sorry google, i tried so many times along with 4 rma's and i just cant do this any more. please open those brick motar stores you keep talking about. it will make it easier for us to return your products.
...joe
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Really? for me after 4.2.2 I find the tablet is more responsiveness and battery life is improved - not sluggish at all. I have not had a reboot so far while using the tabet but did experience a few wifi drops (reconnected after a few seconds). Still trying to figure out where wifi drops happen as I'm running a Asus RT-N66U (with Tomato firmware).
I am running stock and lost root after the OTA upgrade. Have you tried a factory reset?
I genuinely can't believe that people see the need to RMA their N10 (or any device) due to the smallest things that they've found by specifically looking for them. Yes my N10 has light bleed and yes it did have problems with rebooting (before 4.2.2) but it doesn't bother me.
I would never use an LCD screen on full brightness in a dark room so will never notice the small amounts of light bleed it has. The reboots are a software issue that can be fixed by an update and are so infrequent that they are almost insignificant anyway. And a 'creaky back' definitely doesn't warrant getting the thing replaced; it's plastic so is bound to creak when you purposely flex it which you're not supposed to do.
Is anyone else shocked by the sheer number of people that will happily request multiple replacements because of the stupidest things and then wonder why the price increases or the customer service seems rushed? They've somehow got pay for all the testing, repackaging, restocking and reselling of these apparently 'defective' devices.
so they said first quarter.... Has there been any news on if/when? Should we just assume April?
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so they said first quarter.... Has there been any news on if/when? Should we just assume April?
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They actually said first half, not first quarter. Honestly I'll be shocked if it gets updated.
At this point, I don't even care about Huawei's Lollipop. I'm starting to doubt it will happen.
I'll just wait quietly for CM12. :good:
Won't matter. I'm sticking with what mine came with. It's fast & STABLE. Unless the time comes an app REQUIRES
5.x, I'm leaving mine alone. You know that if/when 5 is released, it will probably take a couple of updates to fix bugs that
will pop up, plus, Huawei, like any other device manufacturer wants people to buy new devices, so it is always in their best
interest, be it a manufacturer, carrier provider or whoever, to not push updates, but talk people into throwing away a 1 year
old device, and buying a new one. It's just business...not saying its right, but that is the way it is.
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Won't matter. I'm sticking with what mine came with. It's fast & STABLE. Unless the time comes an app REQUIRES
5.x, I'm leaving mine alone. You know that if/when 5 is released, it will probably take a couple of updates to fix bugs that
will pop up, plus, Huawei, like any other device manufacturer wants people to buy new devices, so it is always in their best
interest, be it a manufacturer, carrier provider or whoever, to not push updates, but talk people into throwing away a 1 year
old device, and buying a new one. It's just business...not saying its right, but that is the way it is.
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Not true actually. People won't buy from a manufacturer that doesn't release updates. Plain and simple as that. It's in their best interest to update to new version. If you watched what happened when they said they wouldn't release KitKat you would know that.
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Not true actually. People won't buy from a manufacturer that doesn't release updates. Plain and simple as that. It's in their best interest to update to new version. If you watched what happened when they said they wouldn't release KitKat you would know that.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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I don't think Huawei would endorse what he just said, nor would they be likely to give him any sort of kickback for saying it! Seriously, read it again and ask yourself if that's really likely.
He's a bit of a missionary, but what has he said that isn't true? Does anyone seriously think that new builds are not often buggy? As someone who moved to Huawei and the Mate 2 because of dissatisfaction with the bugginess of KitKat on the Nexus 4, I'm in agreement with him. When and IF Huawei releases Lollipop for this phone, I'll let the eager early adopters dive in first while I wait until (and if) it's been shown to be stable and reliable before I'll consider installing it.
Clearly the part of manufactures niy releasing updates is good for them. As my post clearly states. Customers do not buy from manufactures that don't update their products.
Every device has bugs. Feel free to run a logcat and see for yourself. The goal is to minimize them and eliminate the ones which are or could become a threat to the operating system.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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He's just voicing his opinion. And what he says is obviously true. All Android releases have had bugs. Even iOS releases.
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Clearly the part of manufactures niy releasing updates is good for them. As my post clearly states. Customers do not buy from manufactures that don't update their products.
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You may well be right about that, but I don't see a lot of evidence. Everyone of us with a Mate 2 bought a device from a manufacturer with a history of not providing updates. Either we did it knowingly, or we didn't bother to check.
One thing I haven't said, and I should, is that I do appreciate the adventurous users and developers who charge into unknown territory while those of us who are timid are holding back, waiting to find out just how bad the new bugs are this time. I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from trying the latest and the greatest, as long as they understand the risks.
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I'm starting to suspect this guy might be getting some sort of kickback from Huawei or something . He consistently pops up in any thread about updates to quickly disregard it and sing the praises of the current build. He always throws that little hint of doubt that the new build might be buggy and won't be as stable or good as it currently is. It's just a little fishy.
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I wish I was getting a kickback! I just am happy with the device being STABLE. On my old Note1, even though Samsung never officially supported anything past 4.1.2, I was happy with it because it was STABLE. There were threads on XDA with build after build of this rom or that rom with 4.4.x and they all had this or that issue. When I find a build that is flat stable, unless another build is as stable, and all of my apps and features are working, I LEAVE IT ALONE.
I work on machines and when I was in my 20's (now in my 50's) a manufacturer came out with some new software, that was on 12, 32 pin e-proms. I promptly went out that day and updated all of my customers machines, 14 of them, with 12 chips per machine. 2 days later, the manufacturer issued a recall, and I had to go out, tear them all down, load the old chips back into them, restore all the user information back into them. THAT was my earliest lesson in "if it ain't broke, DON'T fix it.
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I wish I was getting a kickback! I just am happy with the device being STABLE. On my old Note1, even though Samsung never officially supported anything past 4.1.2, I was happy with it because it was STABLE. There were threads on XDA with build after build of this rom or that rom with 4.4.x and they all had this or that issue. When I find a build that is flat stable, unless another build is as stable, and all of my apps and features are working, I LEAVE IT ALONE.
I work on machines and when I was in my 20's (now in my 50's) a manufacturer came out with some new software, that was on 12, 32 pin e-proms. I promptly went out that day and updated all of my customers machines, 14 of them, with 12 chips per machine. 2 days later, the manufacturer issued a recall, and I had to go out, tear them all down, load the old chips back into them, restore all the user information back into them. THAT was my earliest lesson in "if it ain't broke, DON'T fix it.
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I guess my skepticism comes from your repeated insistence that the current build is so perfectly stable. It has it's fair share of bugs. The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it. This phone is the buggiest Android phone I've ever had. Its only saving grace is the ridiculous battery. I want an update to make it less buggy, and yet I keep seeing you drop into threads talking about how stable the phone is. Can you see why I might not trust that your intentions are on the up and up?
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I guess my skepticism comes from your repeated insistence that the current build is so perfectly stable. It has it's fair share of bugs. The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it. This phone is the buggiest Android phone I've ever had. Its only saving grace is the ridiculous battery. I want an update to make it less buggy, and yet I keep seeing you drop into threads talking about how stable the phone is. Can you see why I might not trust that your intentions are on the up and up?
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Thanks for this. It's a good reminder that we can have very different experiences with the same device. I haven't had these problems. If I did, I'm sure I'd be very eager for an update, or anything else that might offer hope of improvement.
Of course, there's no guarantee that an update will fix your problems. In my case, Lollipop did solve my problems with the Nexus 4. I could go back to that phone now, if I had to. But I like the Mate 2 (Jelly Bean notwithstanding) too much. Meanwhile, I see lots of Nexus 4 owners complaining of bugs in Lollipop and saying that KitKat was much better.
FWIW, I do experience a few bugs in Jelly Bean on the Mate 2. But the ones I have are minor and I've learned to deal with them. So, like p51d007, I regard it as a stable, working system. I understand your viewpoint much better now.
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The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it.
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I have experienced/still experience these things. Every single thing in every single sentence here. Except for the Amazon app.
I only have a few issues. Since the update my camera screen focuses but the picture is blurry... it use to be the screen was blurry and the picture was good. I'd rather go back
I also think it might help with even better battery life, and also activate the "OK Google" hot-word from any screen....
That's about all my complaints. And I'm an early adopter so I'll give it a go when/if it ever comes out.
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I guess my skepticism comes from your repeated insistence that the current build is so perfectly stable. It has it's fair share of bugs. The audio cutting out is a pretty common one that I've had to work through a couple times. Any time I have a Google Calendar reminder pop up, calendar crashes over and over again until I dismiss the reminder. It reboots randomly about once a week. Switching from portrait to landscape is slow and inconsistent at best. Let's not forget about that looping reboot that occurred during a random Amazon update a few months back (that did not affect any other phone). I had to do a factory reset because of that which is a major pain. Not to mention the bugs with Emo, which is just a hot mess of an Android skin, make it practically mandatory that you put a new launcher on it. This phone is the buggiest Android phone I've ever had. Its only saving grace is the ridiculous battery. I want an update to make it less buggy, and yet I keep seeing you drop into threads talking about how stable the phone is. Can you see why I might not trust that your intentions are on the up and up?
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Yes, completely understandable. I suppose I "got lucky" and got one free of bugs. I do have one annoyance though.
That once a day pop up not to listen to loud music :cyclops:
Got to remember we are posting on XDA. Which is here exactly for modding and developing android.....
This is no way to penetrate the US market. Huawei
I heard rumors that Huawei was inline to build the next Nexus device. I really doubt that is the case now..
If they are not going to update there phones they might as well leave the US market or just build cheap $99 phones.
Only Moto or Nexus for me from now on!
Also I was highly pissed at Moto for not updating my old Phone but they changed my mind with the Moto X 2013 that they have kept up to date so far!
Huawei Go home! My
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I heard rumors that Huawei was inline to build the next Nexus device. I really doubt that is the case now..
If they are not going to update there phones they might as well leave the US market or just build cheap $99 phones.
Only Moto or Nexus for me from now on!
Also I was highly pissed at Moto for not updating my old Phone but they changed my mind with the Moto X 2013 that they have kept up to date so far!
Huawei Go home! My
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They are working on a Nexus, as well as LG again (possible 2015 Nexus 5?). Huawei wants to expand to the west. The best way to do that would be in a Nexus phone, since most people cringe at the idea of Chinese software, as if their own government doesn't spy on them. And since the Mate 2 was supposed to be their break in America, it only makes sense to build good relations using it.
They aren't doing a great job, but at least they are trying. I didn't expect this phone to get any updates when I got it.
Like many of you, I've experienced the same issues with my Nexus 6P shutting off when the battery gets to around 15% which began happening as soon as I installed 7.0. I bought my device from Best Buy. I called Google. Google blamed Huawei and wouldn't help me. I called Huawei. Huawei blamed Google.
My device was under warranty so Huawei sent me several RMA's. Every RMA came back with 7.0 (the device originally came with 6.0) and had the same issue with the phone shutting off early while the battery still showed a charge. After two months of this nonsense Huawei finally sent me a new Nexus 6P. The new device came with 6.0 and doesn't shut off prematurely.
I called Google yesterday and told them I have a brand new Nexus 6P and will be out of warranty this month. I asked if they recommend I install 7.1.1. The rep replied that I should install it so I can enjoy all the wonderful benefits. I then asked what if after installing 7.1.1, I experience my phone shutting off when the battery gets to 15%? Will Google provide me with any type of recourse and either repair or replace my device? The rep replied no they will absolutely not and instead they will refer me to Huawei.
I reiterated that I have a brand new device with 6.0 installed that works perfectly. I said if I install 7.1.1 and my phone begins shutting off with 15% battery life left, it would clearly show that Google / 7.1.1 is the cause. I again asked if Google would provide me with any type of recourse in the event this happens. The rep once again stated that there is nothing Google will do for me.
Given my experience and Google's reply, I'm selling my brand new Aluminum 128 GB Nexus 6P. Google has shown me that they are perfectly fine ruining their customers devices and not holding themselves accountable and instead screwing over their customers.
Time to give Apple a chance. At least their hardware and software are all made under one company so there won't be any finger pointing and blame if my device needs a repair. Their store is five minutes from my house so I won't have to package my device, take it to the post office, and wait two weeks to get it back.
Good luck to the rest of you who are still experiencing issues and are not getting a satisfactory resolution
I got a brand new 6P running 6.0.1 for Christmas. After about a week I installed Nougat. It has been over 2 months with various versions of Nougat (7.0, 7.1, etc) on my phone and I have not experienced any random shutdowns, boot loops, etc at any battery percentage (including 15% or less). The issue is degraded batteries, not Google's software.
Why not install 7 and see if it still shuts off early. If it does then flash 6.0 back.
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Like many of you, I've experienced the same issues with my Nexus 6P shutting off when the battery gets to around 15% which began happening as soon as I installed 7.0. I bought my device from Best Buy. I called Google. Google blamed Huawei and wouldn't help me. I called Huawei. Huawei blamed Google.
My device was under warranty so Huawei sent me several RMA's. Every RMA came back with 7.0 (the device originally came with 6.0) and had the same issue with the phone shutting off early while the battery still showed a charge. After two months of this nonsense Huawei finally sent me a new Nexus 6P. The new device came with 6.0 and doesn't shut off prematurely.
I called Google yesterday and told them I have a brand new Nexus 6P and will be out of warranty this month. I asked if they recommend I install 7.1.1. The rep replied that I should install it so I can enjoy all the wonderful benefits. I then asked what if after installing 7.1.1, I experience my phone shutting off when the battery gets to 15%? Will Google provide me with any type of recourse and either repair or replace my device? The rep replied no they will absolutely not and instead they will refer me to Huawei.
I reiterated that I have a brand new device with 6.0 installed that works perfectly. I said if I install 7.1.1 and my phone begins shutting off with 15% battery life left, it would clearly show that Google / 7.1.1 is the cause. I again asked if Google would provide me with any type of recourse in the event this happens. The rep once again stated that there is nothing Google will do for me.
Given my experience and Google's reply, I'm selling my brand new Aluminum 128 GB Nexus 6P. Google has shown me that they are perfectly fine ruining their customers devices and not holding themselves accountable and instead screwing over their customers.
Time to give Apple a chance. At least their hardware and software are all made under one company so there won't be any finger pointing and blame if my device needs a repair. Their store is five minutes from my house so I won't have to package my device, take it to the post office, and wait two weeks to get it back.
Good luck to the rest of you who are still experiencing issues and are not getting a satisfactory resolution
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I really wouldn't go to apple. Trust me you'll regret it.
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I got a brand new 6P running 6.0.1 for Christmas. After about a week I installed Nougat. It has been over 2 months with various versions of Nougat (7.0, 7.1, etc) on my phone and I have not experienced any random shutdowns, boot loops, etc at any battery percentage (including 15% or less). The issue is degraded batteries, not Google's software.
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Over time, batteries do degrade, but they should still drain all the way down to 0%. Degraded batteries don't just shut off at random percentages of 15%, 25%, 50%, etc. When I bought my phone (on 6.0) and for months afterward, my battery life was fantastic and I never experienced a random shut off with battery percentage still left. After downloading 7.0, my battery drained noticeably faster and begin randomly shutting off with a 15% battery charge left. While there are many Nexus 6P owners that have experienced no issues, there are thousands of Nexus 6P owners whose devices worked flawlessly on 6.0, and experienced the same thing I did upon downloading 7.0. The common denominator is downloading 7.0. Google has acknowledged the issue and I was told buy a Google that I they have been working on a fix since October. I asked what the ETA is and he couldn't tell me. Combined with his answer that Google would do nothing for me if I installed 7.0 my new device and experienced the same battery drain and shut off issues told me everything I need to know about how Google treats it's customers.
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Why not install 7 and see if it still shuts off early. If it does then flash 6.0 back.
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After installing 7.0, flashing back to 6.0 doesn't fix the issue as many 6P owners experiencing this issue have attested to.
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I really wouldn't go to apple. Trust me you'll regret it.
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Why will I regret it? I'm not being sarcastic I'm genuinely curious as to your reason.
Buh-bye
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Why will I regret it? I'm not being sarcastic I'm genuinely curious as to your reason.
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Lots of reasons Bro. I despise apple and consider them crooks. They used to innovate when Steve jobs was still around but now they just repackage the same **** every year with small upgrades still a year behind android. You'll miss out on cool mods, widgets, roms, Kernels, etc. I would miss viper4arise and many other mods way too much to switch to a locked down boring phone with little customisability and access to the system bit that's just my opinion. Don't be surprised if it starts slowing down and getting laggy as they are built and updated to kill them off as newer ones come out (another reason I am against apple as well as their rubbish build quality. Like their easily crack able screens and Apple tax on their devices whether, phone, tablet or Mac. If you want a good phone then I struggle to see why you don't just get a oneplus 3t or pixel phone. Android does have its downfalls but you shouldn't be put of them because of problems on just one device. There are many apple devices that have boot loops from ios updates and you can't just fix it like am android device. If your warranty is void then you're screwed. You won't be better off, you will end up just losing out and paying more because they overcharge their poor excuse of a phone like mad.
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Owning each iPhone from 3G - 6S I can assure you that your problems will not be solved by switching. If you think the 15% problem is bad wait a few months and your iphone will be shutting down between the 50% - 20% mark and even if you have a Apple Care plan they will not fix it. You'll get a replacement then after that your told to wait for updates that will improve battery life. The catch? Those updates never arrive. It's a HUGE reason I switched over to the 6P.
That being said my experience with the NA branch of Huawei has been an absolute nightmare but my provider came through and i'm pretty happy with my replacement (3rd replacement since launch)
Again I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE Apple fan boy and while I still LOVE my Macbook Pro ( 1950 days of use and counting without a single problem) I won't ever go back to their mobile line.
It has zero to do with the firmware version. My 6P has been running Nougat since the previews and it will discharge to 0 before shutting down.
Early shutdowns are caused by battery wear. Pretty much all of my buddies with older iPhone 6's are seeing the same thing. So good luck with switching to Apple, it will not make a difference at all.
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Lots of reasons Bro. I despise apple and consider them crooks. They used to innovate when Steve jobs was still around but now they just repackage the same **** every year with small upgrades still a year behind android. You'll miss out on cool mods, widgets, roms, Kernels, etc. I would miss viper4arise and many other mods way too much to switch to a locked down boring phone with little customisability and access to the system bit that's just my opinion. Don't be surprised if it starts slowing down and getting laggy as they are built and updated to kill them off as newer ones come out (another reason I am against apple as well as their rubbish build quality. Like their easily crack able screens and Apple tax on their devices whether, phone, tablet or Mac. If you want a good phone then I struggle to see why you don't just get a oneplus 3t or pixel phone. Android does have its downfalls but you shouldn't be put of them because of problems on just one device. There are many apple devices that have boot loops from ios updates and you can't just fix it like am android device. If your warranty is void then you're screwed. You won't be better off, you will end up just losing out and paying more because they overcharge their poor excuse of a phone like mad.
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Thanks for posting your opinion. I'm not up on most of the things you talked about like roms, mods kernels, etc. I'm a fairly basic user. Don't really know what I'm missing out on being able to do these things. I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. At its core, the battery should work correctly and not drain excessively fast and shut off at 15%. Since this has been happening to thousands of Nexus 6P owners, I would have expected Google to stand behind their phone and support their customers. In my case, and in thousands of other cases, they haven't.
You mentioned getting a good phone like the OnePlus 3T or Pixel. Last year, the Nexus 6P was considered by many to be the best Android phone. Even if that's no longer the case, it should still work well and correctly. If it doesn't, and it's the fault of Google's OS updates, they should stand behind their customers and do the right thing. They haven't. As for the Pixel, it seems to have the same issues as the Nexus 6P https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230806
Ironically, many of the arguments you make against Apple are the exact same issues that I'm experiencing with Google. My device slowed down considerably, my battery shut off at 15%, it seemed like this happened right as the Pixel came out, my warranty through Huawei is almost up and Google straight up told me if I experience these same issues as a result of downloading 7.1.1, I'm screwed, as they won't help me.
I understand this is an Android forum and everyone is going to be very passionate about supporting Android and crapping on Apple. I totally understand that. It's like talking politics. People are always passionate about the side they believe in and rip the other side. In my case, I'm not partial or emotionally attached to either company. I'm simply venting about my very disappointing experience with Google.
My main point about considering Apple was that at least they have a store I could go into if I experience issues and speak to somebody in person. I feel that gives customers a better chance of getting a fair resolution compared to packaging your phone up, sending it away for up to two weeks, only to get it back with the possibility of it not being repaired or having similar issues. I was without my device for 2 months until I finally got a new replacement. That's just unacceptable.
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Owning each iPhone from 3G - 6S I can assure you that your problems will not be solved by switching. If you think the 15% problem is bad wait a few months and your iphone will be shutting down between the 50% - 20% mark and even if you have a Apple Care plan they will not fix it. You'll get a replacement then after that your told to wait for updates that will improve battery life. The catch? Those updates never arrive. It's a HUGE reason I switched over to the 6P.
That being said my experience with the NA branch of Huawei has been an absolute nightmare but my provider came through and i'm pretty happy with my replacement (3rd replacement since launch)
Again I'm speaking as someone who was a HUGE Apple fan boy and while I still LOVE my Macbook Pro ( 1950 days of use and counting without a single problem) I won't ever go back to their mobile line.
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Thanks for your input and experience. Sounds like your experience with Apple is as bad as mine was with Google. I just feel I'd have a better shot having an issue resolved speaking with somebody face to face, then on the phone.
I agree with you that Huawei has some pretty subpar customer service. Talk about making customers jump through hoops just to get an RMA, only to have to wait weeks, and in my case two months, before finally getting a new device that works.
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It has zero to do with the firmware version. My 6P has been running Nougat since the previews and it will discharge to 0 before shutting down.
Early shutdowns are caused by battery wear. Pretty much all of my buddies with older iPhone 6's are seeing the same thing. So good luck with switching to Apple, it will not make a difference at all.
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I've never had a phone where it shut off before the battery ran all the way down to 0%. Never experienced an early shutdown before my Nexus 6P.
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Thanks for posting your opinion. I'm not up on most of the things you talked about like roms, mods kernels, etc. I'm a fairly basic user. Don't really know what I'm missing out on being able to do these things. I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. At its core, the battery should work correctly and not drain excessively fast and shut off at 15%. Since this has been happening to thousands of Nexus 6P owners, I would have expected Google to stand behind their phone and support their customers. In my case, and in thousands of other cases, they haven't.
You mentioned getting a good phone like the OnePlus 3T or Pixel. Last year, the Nexus 6P was considered by many to be the best Android phone. Even if that's no longer the case, it should still work well and correctly. If it doesn't, and it's the fault of Google's OS updates, they should stand behind their customers and do the right thing. They haven't. As for the Pixel, it seems to have the same issues as the Nexus 6P https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230806
Ironically, many of the arguments you make against Apple are the exact same issues that I'm experiencing with Google. My device slowed down considerably, my battery shut off at 15%, it seemed like this happened right as the Pixel came out, my warranty through Huawei is almost up and Google straight up told me if I experience these same issues as a result of downloading 7.1.1, I'm screwed, as they won't help me.
I understand this is an Android forum and everyone is going to be very passionate about supporting Android and crapping on Apple. I totally understand that. It's like talking politics. People are always passionate about the side they believe in and rip the other side. In my case, I'm not partial or emotionally attached to either company. I'm simply venting about my very disappointing experience with Google.
My main point about considering Apple was that at least they have a store I could go into if I experience issues and speak to somebody in person. I feel that gives customers a better chance of getting a fair resolution compared to packaging your phone up, sending it away for up to two weeks, only to get it back with the possibility of it not being repaired or having similar issues. I was without my device for 2 months until I finally got a new replacement. That's just unacceptable.
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Yeah, I get your point and appreciate it and yes it is with Google. Apple do have many problems with their phones similar to Google. If you want to try a new phone then I would highly recommend the oneplus 3t as that is using oxygen os and has no problems like Google. So the modding community is very active a D yes I agree you are missing out on a lot if you have an android device and aren't modding it. That's basically the whole point of Xda. If you have to then get an iPhone but I really think that should be a last resort. They are still really behind other phones. The OnePlus 3t has no problems I think and has a great battery and charges in only 30 minutes from zero to a hundred percent unlike apples 2 hour charge. There are so many other reasons to stick with android. I recommend simply go ogling about it and downloading an app called Mr Phone and you'll see from the specs how inferior the iphone is compared to the majority of devices. And yes with android devices there aren't really shops like apples to help people in person but that's because the majority of Android phones don't have as many problems as apples phones. Just dp a bit research before you make any hasty decisions
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X12321 said:
Thanks for posting your opinion. I'm not up on most of the things you talked about like roms, mods kernels, etc. I'm a fairly basic user. Don't really know what I'm missing out on being able to do these things. I just want my phone to work the way it's supposed to. At its core, the battery should work correctly and not drain excessively fast and shut off at 15%. Since this has been happening to thousands of Nexus 6P owners, I would have expected Google to stand behind their phone and support their customers. In my case, and in thousands of other cases, they haven't.
You mentioned getting a good phone like the OnePlus 3T or Pixel. Last year, the Nexus 6P was considered by many to be the best Android phone. Even if that's no longer the case, it should still work well and correctly. If it doesn't, and it's the fault of Google's OS updates, they should stand behind their customers and do the right thing. They haven't. As for the Pixel, it seems to have the same issues as the Nexus 6P https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=230806
Ironically, many of the arguments you make against Apple are the exact same issues that I'm experiencing with Google. My device slowed down considerably, my battery shut off at 15%, it seemed like this happened right as the Pixel came out, my warranty through Huawei is almost up and Google straight up told me if I experience these same issues as a result of downloading 7.1.1, I'm screwed, as they won't help me.
I understand this is an Android forum and everyone is going to be very passionate about supporting Android and crapping on Apple. I totally understand that. It's like talking politics. People are always passionate about the side they believe in and rip the other side. In my case, I'm not partial or emotionally attached to either company. I'm simply venting about my very disappointing experience with Google.
My main point about considering Apple was that at least they have a store I could go into if I experience issues and speak to somebody in person. I feel that gives customers a better chance of getting a fair resolution compared to packaging your phone up, sending it away for up to two weeks, only to get it back with the possibility of it not being repaired or having similar issues. I was without my device for 2 months until I finally got a new replacement. That's just unacceptable.
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.androidauthority.com
To the OP:
I am currently experiencing the shutdown issue. This is my 6th RMA I will be sending in once the replacement arrives via FedEx today. I purchased my 6P through Project Fi and I am stuck with either the 6P, 5X, or the new Pixel devices. It does suck that I have experienced the battery issue but the Project Fi section of Google has been fantastic and simply send me out another 6P without question.
I used to be a huge Apple guy, and in some ways I still am. I've own every iPhone up to the iPhone 5. I experienced the same type of battery shutdown issues and a host of others. The sad thing was that even though I had Apple Care (4 and 4S), I had to purchase a new device as they didn't cover the issues under Apple Care. It sucked really bad and that sparked me coming over to Android. I didn't start with Google directly though so I had Samsung phones, Sony, LG, and even at one point a cheap chinese knockoff.
Yes it sucks that this issue with the 6P is happening, but you can at least go to other Android devices that aren't, unless you're using Project Fi, then you'll just be crippled to just T-Mobile service on Fi. You can go to Apple if you want, and the experience might be good, but remember how much more you will be spending for less.
The only reason I stuck it out with Apple for so long was because I got a refund from my place of employment for half of the cost of the device because I used it for work as well as personal.
Let me say why my next phone will be an iPhone too.
1. Zero problems!
Apple phones are built to last and if there ever are are any problems with their phones they are quick to release updates and make replacement programs straight away for easy fixes. (Unlike what happened here, simply disgusting)
2. Best Operating System
Their operating system is the same on any iPhone. Google didnt update their nexus 6p with everything the pixel had and I understand we're getting finger sensing things but still its just not the same. Were still missing pixel launcher, blue accent and other things. iOS also just looks nicer in my opinion. I know you can customize with android but stock android just cant compare to the looks and animations of iOS.
3. iMessage, handoff, and more
When allo first released I thought that would be the iMessage killer but it turns out to be yet another social app majority of people don't use. iMessage is the perfect messaging app. It has a desktop client fully encrypted and oh it includes SMS!
Handoff and syncing of things across all devices is another thing android just cant compare to.
I don't care what anyone says iOS is better in my opinion.
drew_t said:
Let me say why my next phone will be an iPhone too.
1. Zero problems!
Apple phones are built to last and if there ever are are any problems with their phones they are quick to release updates and make replacement programs straight away for easy fixes. (Unlike what happened here, simply disgusting)
2. Best Operating System
Their operating system is the same on any iPhone. Google didnt update their nexus 6p with everything the pixel had and I understand we're getting finger sensing things but still its just not the same. Were still missing pixel launcher, blue accent and other things. iOS also just looks nicer in my opinion. I know you can customize with android but stock android just cant compare to the looks and animations of iOS.
3. iMessage, handoff, and more
When allo first released I thought that would be the iMessage killer but it turns out to be yet another social app majority of people don't use. iMessage is the perfect messaging app. It has a desktop client fully encrypted and oh it includes SMS!
Handoff and syncing of things across all devices is another thing android just cant compare to.
I don't care what anyone says iOS is better in my opinion.
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u mad bro?
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I don't care what anyone says iOS is better in my opinion.
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Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion...but why express yours here? Pretty much everyone here has the opposite opinion. Are you tolling, or trying to convert us?
To the OP... I tend to agree with the suggestion to move to a 3T or other phone. I know you feel like that would be giving up and letting google cheat you...but sometimes its the best way to get to where you want to be. Im not an Apple hater by any means. They make a premium product (although Macbooks arent what they used to be from a build quality standpoint) that millions are happy with. I just dont ever want to "mary" a coorporate giant, which is kind of what you do when you buy their products. I like the freedom of the Android platform.
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u mad bro?
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Yes I am pretty mad bro!
My phone is dying on me everyday and living in Canada where its always cold makes it even worse.
Feels like Android 12 has still lot of bugs here and there in the Pixel 6 atm.
Yes I do I think it's a placeholder OS untill Google decides to release fuchsia when ever that to might be.
It's as buggy as a rainforest!
Yes, and it's getting annoying how companies (not just Google) are using us as their QA nowadays. Why do we have to be the beta testers? It's annoying
Raw pathogen contaminanted cookie dough...
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Yes I do I think it's a placeholder OS untill Google decides to release fuchsia when ever that to might be.
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This. Absolutely
F**k Google, & everything about them these days. They want to be apple & for pixel to be an iPhone in terms of quality, consumer reverence and everything else but are never willing to put in the effort to properly do so, and yet they continue(for whatever super super crazy reason Insanity maybe) think that they are actually achieving said desire but in reality barely scratch 1% of it. That 1% is done very poorly too these days.
Fuscia had better the most amazing os that's ever existed and better be so on day1 if Google ever hopes to maybe win back some affection and respect because everything they do these days just destroys any and all respects and or friendly feelings towards them. Every one of their products and services has gone downhill in terms of quality & everything
Makes me wonder who or what made them get rid of good design for quick settings(android 9 -11) and go for the ugly, tiles that are unnecessarily wide and cover most of the space on screen.
The notifications need not have a huge card like background when you pull down the top bar.
Also, the settings needto two pulls from top bar.
Its a cabal by the screen manufacturers association. Trying to ensure everyone buys phones with bigger screens.
stevenespinosa51 said:
F**k Google, & everything about them these days. They want to be apple & for pixel to be an iPhone in terms of quality, consumer reverence and everything else but are never willing to put in the effort to properly do so, and yet they continue(for whatever super super crazy reason Insanity maybe) think that they are actually achieving said desire but in reality barely scratch 1% of it. That 1% is done very poorly too these days.
Fuscia had better the most amazing os that's ever existed and better be so on day1 if Google ever hopes to maybe win back some affection and respect because everything they do these days just destroys any and all respects and or friendly feelings towards them. Every one of their products and services has gone downhill in terms of quality & everything
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Try Samsung with there high priced devices and bloated software with rare updates.
You can install any past software version on your Google device or try a custom rom to have it your way.
Yes so far I really dislike it, seems a bit too simple.
vandyman said:
Try Samsung with there high priced devices and bloated software with rare updates.
You can install any past software version on your Google device or try a custom rom to have it your way.
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You don't update especially if you're running on Android 9 or 10 on a Samsung.
Not needed. In actual use security isn't an issue... and neither is usability and functionality.
This N10+ hasn't been updated in 2 years, it's current load is over 1.5 yo, still fast and stable.
The Gmail app often doesn't want to send. WiFi data seems to have very poor latency.
The good thing is Google will have most of the bugs squashed in a month or two. They can't test for every single use case scenario so we have to be beta testers. 12 was a huge overhaul.
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The good thing is Google will have most of the bugs squashed in a month or two. They can't test for every single use case scenario so we have to be beta testers. 12 was a huge overhaul.
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The estimates I see to flatten out all the bugs and integrate scoped storage with 3rd party app developers is more like 2-3 years. Android got worse with 11, and 12 is no charm either. Maybe 14 or 15...
It's a mess... oh, I mean a huge improvement, not.
I'm not buying any of Google's hype.
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The estimates I see to flatten out all the bugs and integrate scoped storage with 3rd party app developers is more like 2-3 years. Android got worse with 11, and 12 is no charm either. Maybe 14 or 15...
It's a mess... oh, I mean a huge improvement, not.
I'm not buying any of Google's hype.
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Wish they'd give us a android 11 ROM to use though in the meantime
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Wish they'd give us a android 11 ROM to use though in the meantime
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Agreed. Google seems to think anything they squeeze out is gold. They missed their calling ignoring waste management.
This is one of the big reasons I just bought a new N10+, to stay running on Pie. However it's running on Q because of its manufacturing date.
Little to no issues with Q but most likely because Samsung heavily modified its UI.
I don't think there are going to be many immediate solutions for 11 or 12 because Google has bitten off more than they and their developers can chew.
More stupid Google fubars to come... who wants betaware?
Bugs all over the place. I don't care what new features you add if you break the existing ones.
I just put in the return request for my p6. Waiting to receive return kit. I'm gonna use my upgrade for something else. I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually might go for iphone 13 pro. It would be my first apple device ever. what do you think?
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I just put in the return request for my p6. Waiting to receive return kit. I'm gonna use my upgrade for something else. I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually might go for iphone 13 pro. It would be my first apple device ever. what do you think?
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Apples have their own issues. You'll lose the flexibility of Android.
That said 2021 has been a complete Android dumpster fire. Get an older flagship running on Pie or Q and be happy.
Security is not an issue unless you do something stupid.