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It seems that 9 times out of 10 I read about a problem with an android, it's about an OS update breaking things:
"Can't root the latest stock ROM update nohow"
"Latest mfc ROM / CM / etc. incorporated XXX change and now I can't get Viper4Android / AutomateIt / whatever working"
"Latest 5.x ROM now requires root for the same app / action that didn't require root before"
"SELinux / Knox / etc. can't be disabled nohow on the latest ROM"
Personally I got everything working just the way I want on the rooted form of the stock 4.4.2 ROM that came with my LG G Pro 2
--and I'd strangle anyone who hits the update button on it (except I think rooting disabled the OTA update thing)
----and I have half a mind to buy another identical phone for backup, because this phone still seems to be able to go toe to toe with the latest flagships (1080p screen is plenty dense enough for my eyes, 3GB/32GB still seems to be the maximum amount of memory any phone packs, I could care less about new CPUs that eat batteries at the same rate that they increase performance) and more importantly, I'm very pessimistic about the prospects of being able to get Viper4Android, Xposed framework, VolumeSteps+, PBMC Mappings and AutomateIt all working on whatever ROM that comes with whatever next phone I would have to buy when this one breaks.
I read the adventures of those who upgrade their ROM nightly and run into a different compatibility problem every night the way I listen to the ravings of a lunatic walking out of a spectacular train wreck
And I have a friend whom I bought a Sony Z3 for who had gone through trying a dozen different ROMs in a few weeks. It's a brick now
You can argue that the older versions of Android would have more stability and mods, but most end users are not as tech savvy and are less demanding as yourself. All they need is a phone that functions properly for them. Usually developers release updates to fix stuff with the current firmware, so most end users would be tempted to do the update when it comes out. They would be less concerned with things like V4A and custom mods which require more knowledge. As for LG G Pro 2, I wouldn't say it's able to go head to head with other flagship phones, unless you used a custom ROM with it. Specifications wise, it will still lose out to most phones, because no matter how much you attempt to tweak the software, it is still limited by the hardware. Furthermore, when you compare the developer database to Samsung and Sony, LG has a much smaller database as compared to both manufacturers. You can find plenty of custom ROMs for Samsung and Sony phones, but not so for LG phones. Just my two cents.
No LG Android 10 for any V30, so stop asking
https://www.xda-developers.com/lg-ux-9-0-android-10-update-schedule/
I said this before, explained WHY multiple times -- and now it's official.
No V30, including V30S, is getting LG Android 10 update. V30 launched with Nougat and has all the OS updates (Oreo and Pie) it's going to get.
V30S doesn't have Treble so that proves it was never a new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo. V30S was just a V30+ with more RAM, updated to Oreo at the factory before release., prior to all the other V30 then getting Oreo a couple of months later. V30S was basically a V30+ with more RAM, released as a marketing gimmick to try to compete with the 2018 Snapdragon 845 Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+. Was still a Snapdragon 835 V30 "Joan" phone, which runs same V30 firmware. (Samsung had exclusive rights to Snapdragon 845 for a few months.
IF it was a new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo, V30S would have required Treble. If it was new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo, then it would be eligible for two OS updates -- Pie and Android 10. But since V30S didn't have Treble, it was NOT a new phone.
Later LG released actual Snapdragon 845 phones: G7, V35, V40. Those all had Oreo and had Treble -- proving they were indeed new phones.)
V30/V30+/V30S still should get some more security updates and fixes. But no Android 10.
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P.S. Stop calling Android 10 "Q". Its no longer beta.
"L", "M", "N", "O", "P", "Q" were the beta letters before release and Google officially named them. I could go all the way back to beta "C" which became "Cupcake" -- but you get the point.
L became Lollipop (Android 5, 2014)
M became Marshmallow (Android 6, 2015)
N became Nougat (Android 7, 2016)
O became Oreo (Android 8, 2017)
P became Pie (Android 9, 2018)
Q simply became Android 10, 2019
Deal with it. Google decided not to use sweet snack/dessert name anymore, so they only went with the version number instead. There was always a version number behind the dessert name.
No one calls "Oreo" and "Pie" as "O" or "P", since they are not beta anymore. No one asks "Do we have a new 'P' KDZ yet?" nor "Which is better 'O' or 'P''? Everyone calls them "OREO" and "PIE". Well, "Q" isn't beta anymore either... It's "Android 10".
Here's the Oreo official statue at Google Headquarters:
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Here's the counterpart Android 10 statue:
Ho noes~
Frankly, I'm not sure I'd trust LG to put out a stable version of it anyway. Doesn't Pie OTA still have the silly lag issue fixed with LG's backup thing?
Shame. really wanted that desktop mode.
still - seems rather strange... what about the SD845 V35? it should get android 10 no? yet it is not listed.
also please note that the road-map is just for 2020, so maybe the V30S + V35 are planned for 2021?
wonder if we will be able to port some features to our v30's, as i really like this phone
Septfox said:
Ho noes~
Frankly, I'm not sure I'd trust LG to put out a stable version of it anyway. Doesn't Pie OTA still have the silly lag issue fixed with LG's backup thing?
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Yeah, Pie on some variants is still wonky. Like US998, and Sprint LS998 still doesn't have it. Also AME H939DS doesn't have it yet.
Orof said:
Shame. really wanted that desktop mode.
still - seems rather strange... what about the SD845 V35? it should get android 10 no? yet it is not listed.
also please note that the road-map is just for 2020, so maybe the V30S + V35 are planned for 2021?
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Uhmm, no. Android 10 was released in 2019. No OEM is going to still be pushing updates for it in 2021.
It's possible V35 still may get it as this was ITALY LG list, and V35 was not released in Europe. Was released to North and South America.
LG Italia has stated that the Android 10 update will be available for nine phones.
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But V30 was released in Europe and the H930G was specifically released in Italy. Their V30+ was even eligible for the official LG Bootloader Unlock Code -- which we don't need thanks to WTF exploit.
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Uhmm, no. Android 10 was released in 2019. No OEM is going to still be pushing updates for it in 2021.
It's possible V35 still may get it as this was ITALY LG list, and V35 was not released in Europe. Was released to North and South America.
But V30 was released in Europe and the H930G was specifically released in Italy. Their V30+ was even eligible for the official LG Bootloader Unlock Code -- which we don't need thanks to WTF exploit.
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So was the v30s ever released in italy? If not, that might also be the reason it is not listed there even though it only got one major update...
I don't know... Better ask lg directly i guess
Fully expected. After years with LG, moving to S20+ anyway.
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So was the v30s ever released in italy? If not, that might also be the reason it is not listed there even though it only got one major update...
I don't know... Better ask lg directly i guess
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V30s was not released in Europe either but it also got two OS updates: Oreo and Pie.
Is considered the V30 variant which LAUNCHED with Nougat.
It was merely V30+ updated to Oreo and 2GB RAM added prior being sold to the public. V30S is still a JOAN phone, which "launched" with Nougat. If someone doesn't know what that means, it means it's a V30 and runs V30 firmware. It's even in the model number V30S
V30S was merely a re-modeled house not a brand new house. It was a marketing gimmick, not an actual new phone.
But I'm repeating myself...if it was a new phone with OREO it would have had TREBLE. It doesn't, so that irrefutablly proves it was not a new phone!
Any website that says otherwise really has no clue what they are talking about. They never actually owned a V30S and they probably don't understand that all new Android phones with Oreo (or later) REQUIRE Treble.
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I said this before, explained WHY multiple times -- and now it's official.
No V30, including V30S, is getting LG Android 10 update. V30 launched with Nougat and has all the OS updates (Oreo and Pie) it's going to get.
V30S doesn't have Treble so that proves it was never a new phone LAUNCHED on Oreo. It was merely a V30+ with more RAM released as a marketing gimmick to try to compete with the 2018 Snapdragon 845 Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+. Was still a Snapdragon 835 V30 "Joan" phone, which runs same V30 firmware. (Samsung had exclusive rights to Snapdragon 845 for a few months. Later LG released actual Snapdragon 845 phones.)
We still should get some more security updates and fixes. But no Android 10.
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Dear Brian Kwon,
You are tasked with turning around LG's failing mobile divison. The task will be difficult, but there is good news. LG makes flagship phones with phenomenal hardware. The problems at LG are self-inflicted and can be fixed. You might take a moment of your time to browse threads like this one on xda for a sense of the problems. Three of them are software support, communication, and execution. There are a a few simple things for you to do. 1) Flagship phones like the V and G series should ship with current versions of Android. 2) LG should standby their committments to release updates. 3) LG should be transparent with customers, stonewalling is unacceptable.
The V30 flagship is a great example of LG's problems. For clarification I am referring to the open market V30. It was released with Android 7 even though 8.1 was the current release. There have been a few security updates but no Pie. My wife's Sony XZ2 Compact has been on Pie for 18 months. Part of the appeal of Android is running AoSP roms. It would be refreshing to know in advance which models LG will allow bootloader unlock and rooting. Even better, just offer the option. It is also unacceptable that the software stack for use on Verizon is broken, i.e. no VoWIFI or Visual VoiceMail.
These issues are a toxic combination for anyone laying out USD800 or more to keep for two to four years. You should think of fixing these problems as building and maintaining a relationship with your customers and distributors. Their safisfaction is your success.
The lack of loyalty and transactioanl behavior of LG hits home when it comes time to buy a new phone. I have a couple of V30s', and they weren't cheap. The hardware is holding up well and that is great. I'll be in the market for a new device in a 18 months or so. It shouldn't be for access to security updates or current Android. It should be for new hardware and the capabilities new hardware creates like longer battery life, 5G, speed and so on.
For these reasons, I am not considering an LG model like a V50 in the future and I am sure I am not alone. I hope you change my mind.
Thank you,
cmrntnnr
It's time to move onto a newer phone. I don't keep phones after 2 years anyway. V30 came out in 2017. I got mine in May 2018. Battery health is down to 89%. Processor will soon be 3 generations old. 4GB RAM is mid-range spec. Gonna look for LG G8 (not X) deals.
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It's time to move onto a newer phone. I don't keep phones after 2 years anyway. V30 came out in 2017. I got mine in May 2018. Battery health is down to 89%. Processor will soon be 3 generations old. 4GB RAM is mid-range spec. Gonna look for LG G8 (not X) deals.
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Thanks, nobody cares.
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Thanks, nobody cares.
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you're welcome. nobody cares about your post either.
Lol
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What email address did you send this to? I'd like to do the same (with some edits so that it's not just a plain copy/paste) to let him know the same thing from me... if oyu don't mind.
Sorry, I don't have an address. The letter format seemed like a good way to express my frustration and hope. Maybe it will be conveyed to him by some LG staff monitoring xda, I amuse myself....
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What email address did you send this to? I'd like to do the same (with some edits so that it's not just a plain copy/paste) to let him know the same thing from me... if oyu don't mind.
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HKSpeed said:
It's time to move onto a newer phone. I don't keep phones after 2 years anyway. V30 came out in 2017. I got mine in May 2018. Battery health is down to 89%. Processor will soon be 3 generations old. 4GB RAM is mid-range spec. Gonna look for LG G8 (not X) deals.
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Mate gone are the days where in terms of performance and most features update made a difference V30's Display,SD835 and Most features are still upto par aside from gesture gimmick you are opting for
I recently came back from SD845/6gb Ram to SD835/4gb and the difference is not that dramatic as it would have been from 835 to 820 or 820 to 810 also keeping in mind the thermals of those older chips only that aside from performance was frustrating
SD835 in my experience to date is Snapdragon's one of the most stable and long lasting chips I can even point you to some tech youtubers despite of having budget and devices laying around using SD835's
Infact given the phones I have used I would say buying a 835 Pixel 2XL is better than going for a G8 (but thats just personal preference including UI features and all ) but there was this feel about Pixel 2XL given its higher price tag I always felt its well worth it in terms of that build ,polished UI and implemented features and yeah GCAM and its Night Sight
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Sorry, I don't have an address. The letter format seemed like a good way to express my frustration and hope. Maybe it will be conveyed to him by some LG staff monitoring xda, I amuse myself....
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Mailing address is fine... I amuse myself that way as well
I do not even want Pie lol Forget 10, Here are my reasons and people should know what they are upgrading for and why.
The best question is do you really need it just because it's latest OS ? Have a look at this Windows 10 change at higher ups and one can correlate how Win10 is a disaster their priorities changed to a SaaS model there is no more RTM release like 7 and 8.1 and get 10 years of updates it's SAC - 6 months and then 18 Months later it's EOL, there are automatic driver updates it creates a lot of issues and so many BSODs, auto update the damn BIOS patches (Intel Meltdown and Spectre), well I run a Haswell 4710MQ processor with a sockted GPU MXM chipset and If I installed latest patches it will ruin the performance. And SGX bug makes the Undervolting not possible, meaning no control, they are forcing those updates into the Windows Update packages and BIOS. Just hit that forum and see how many issues are there with Win10, see the latest Win10 feature - modern standby causing havoc.
Then we have the worst of the Android 10 issues, the TWRP itself is hard to work on, here's Pixel 3a's TWRP thread and see the last page, unless you flash a custom kernel with Fastboot and Magisk the TWRP won't work for Android 10. And on top the damn Filesystem issues - Pixel 2 got A/B filesystem and bam you can't flash properly and (read this very informative) then you get the Pixel 3 logical partitioning system along with the dynamic fused partitions, then you have Android 10 + Pixel 4 mega lockdown, Huawei style EROFS clone of Read only Ext4 partition system, exactly like how Huawei's puppet masters wanted at their homeland. Edit : here's the LZ Play backdoor, that XDA portal never published.
Do you think google will stop there ? Remember when A/B system came it was rejoiced for that Treble, devs are great but that Treble with GSI being generic doesn't add anything to the OS customizations, maybe some ROMs can be flashed with Magisk, but what about our custom Mods like the Anxious mod etc, and then A/B was enforced with 8.x released devices with CTS for Safety Net. I think they will enforce all this dynamic partitions with Android 10 and up and eventually the modding will further wither away which is already less, less than 0.5% of whole Android devices owners root and run Custom stuff.
Do you really want Android 10 ? What feature is it ? don't say multitasking or the gestures lol. Both are inferior to Oreo, simple fact - A phone has 16:9 or 18:9 or the 19:5:9 or the latest S20s worst 21:9 tall ratios, all are Vertical, so a vertical card stack like from Lollipop, Marshmallow, Oreo had the same stacks, making you see all the multitasked apps in one single shot and decide and scroll flick is fast and quick switching as well. Now see the Horizontal iPhone X style, even iPhone 8 had stacked design. With X they changed it, you can see only 1 card on Android on iOS you can see at-least 2. Google blatantly copied it and ruined it badly. Then you have Clipboard API restriction, more more APIs blacklisted, and list goes on and on, Youtubers and all mainstream blogs even Android Police just parrot 24/7 updates updates, what about the features ? Why not a removable battery, or 3.5mm jack without compromise, SD slot for reliability, if they are emphasized, these ridiculous 1 year lifecycle of HW refresh and OS refresh will stop and create breathing room for better devices and more support and less e-waste too.
Then you have the Scoped Storage on Android 10 (Issue Tracker) in the SDK, on a Pixel phone, Pixel recorder (Massively inferior to what LG offers - HiFi DAC routed, Audio with Karaoke input option a.k.a Studio Mode with separate files option for input included, Bit-rate selection, Storage selection, Multiple formats, Time-series graph & Peak meter per channel which are LIVE, Lossless recording, Tags, Timer, Sample Rate, Limiter, Low Freq Cut off, High Gain for higher sensitivity damn it this is a phone or a dedicated recorder ? ) the recording files cannot be seen in any app. YOU CAN'T see the files the app recorded. Period, why ? Google wants to force us into iOS style sharing bs, on iOS you must share the file to another app to view it 1:1 exact sandboxed bs copied over to Android and it will break millions of phones with Android R or 11 whatever they want to call it, since Android 12 will force the latest SDK-1 format which PlayStore mandates. Here's a latest reddit post on it, good points are discussed there. And in case you missed the XDA article by FX app dev (I recommend that app heavily, it's a must have, using since GB-KK) and the in-depth analysis Blog for the whole disaster which even mentions on how Google wants more subscription based direction and how to approach this.
Tell me again who wants Android 10 again now ? Nougat 7 is LTS release it is like KK 4.4 which will be running for at-least 4 more years. So get the damn battery replaced by LG OEM officially restore the Oreo final backup with Magisk and enjoy the best of what you can get right now. Yes security updates are needed but most of the time the malware comes from unwanted apps on your phone which you are responsible, same for PC too, it doesn't need an AV and get robbed by the AV companies instead if you take little care and grow your knowledge with basics you retain the control / power in your hands, if more people don't want that's what will happen. Look at iPhone users, they cannot live without that ecosystem unhealthy Apple
Security through Obscurity is never real, thanks for reading hope it did help something
On a side note, is the latest Magisk working without issues on our LG Oreo 20h Stock ?, I'm running old 19.3 and 7.3.4 manager ?
Great post... I've said the same thing for a while - why do I want Pie? It really doesn't give us anything really new (other than numerous bugs, apparently). Any new "feature" you want can be easily added if you REALLY want it, but it's not that big of a deal for most people. This isn't an iPhone (which requires OS updates to gain functionality)... Google has been pulling that into the apps directly, so you don't need a specific OS (GENERALLY speaking)... to get a feature...
To answer your last question, yes you can run the latest Magisk. I think the only limitation is that it cannot be installed with TWRP at initial startup, for some reason. However, once it's installed and you're in the OS, you can update without issue. I'm on VS996 win 20.3 and 7.5.1 without issue.
Security updates V30/V30+
I didn't realise some V30's still weren't on Pie, my V30+ has been on it since September. Battery life is better and they have improved audio playback with .dxd audio files. I'm still stuck on the September security patch though. Has LG given up on V30 security too?
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding Pie (official) on the LG V30, I understand there is a US998 version of Pie, I already frankensteined (?) an H931 to US998, unlocked bootloader and rooted. I was about to update to Pie but was wondering if its worth it? I bought this phone recently with Oreo on it and the AT&T rom. Downgraded to Nougat as per Frankenstein method instructions and went back up to Oreo, this time US998, was able to unlock bootloader and root. For the little while I was on Nougat, could definitely tell the battery did not drain as quick as on Oreo (as I had read before buying the phone) and I read some users started getting battery life back with Pie, among a few Pie features. But I also heard, updating to Pie actually changes the partition structure and thus making it harder to install custom roms in the future? is that true? I'm wondering mostly because I would like to extend the life of the device eventually and going the Android 10 route (LOS or whatever) or similar. I did this with the LG G3 back in the day, using crDroid Nougat which made it faster than ever, had all nougat features, no bloatware, lots of stable features of the rom itself, and made the battery better than ever. My original idea was to update to Pie then do a factory reset to make sure everything works as it should.
TLDR: Should I update to Pie? or stay in Oreo?
Thanks.
You can always upgrade to pie at any point right? So why give it a go when you gone through Oreo custom ROMs too
I came from Oreo don't see much night and day difference just a few e.g pill navigation , LG's dual apps(works with a selective few)
Also right now custom Roms for Oreo are better compared to Android 10 ROMs for this device ,go for a AOSP pie (e.g havoc 9) give it a try
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techyrock said:
You can always upgrade to pie at any point right? So why give it a go when you gone through Oreo custom ROMs too
I came from Oreo don't see much night and day difference just a few e.g pill navigation , LG's dual apps(works with a selective few)
Also right now custom Roms for Oreo are better compared to Android 10 ROMs for this device ,go for a AOSP pie (e.g havoc 9) give it a try
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Thanks for the quick reply! Are there custom roms that have, eg: better battery life and quad dac working normally? I mean, the battery is not bad, but I can tell there is a certain drain compared to the stock Nougat the phone comes with (again though, I bought this refurbished with Oreo already on it).
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Thanks for the quick reply! Are there custom roms that have, eg: better battery life and quad dac working normally? I mean, the battery is not bad, but I can tell there is a certain drain compared to the stock Nougat the phone comes with (again though, I bought this refurbished with Oreo already on it).
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I didn't notice that much of a battery differences in between Pie and Oreo,
both being rooted in similar apps Pie might be slightly better? Or maybe same, like there wasn't dramatic drain on Oreo for me to be forced to come back to Pie,
Hmm among custom ROM I haven't had much of luck meaning I have Havoc a try and since I was coming from pie to Oreo to havoc couldn't get it working without permissive kernel and then didn't bother and flashed PIE zip I have lots of data 6gb WhatsApp alone so I avoid swapping ROMs I'll thought when I get the V40 or V30+ or smth with 845~855
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Moonfrost said:
Hello everyone!
I have a question regarding Pie (official) on the LG V30, I understand there is a US998 version of Pie, I already frankensteined (?) an H931 to US998, unlocked bootloader and rooted. I was about to update to Pie but was wondering if its worth it? I bought this phone recently with Oreo on it and the AT&T rom. Downgraded to Nougat as per Frankenstein method instructions and went back up to Oreo, this time US998, was able to unlock bootloader and root. For the little while I was on Nougat, could definitely tell the battery did not drain as quick as on Oreo (as I had read before buying the phone) and I read some users started getting battery life back with Pie, among a few Pie features. But I also heard, updating to Pie actually changes the partition structure and thus making it harder to install custom roms in the future? is that true? I'm wondering mostly because I would like to extend the life of the device eventually and going the Android 10 route (LOS or whatever) or similar. I did this with the LG G3 back in the day, using crDroid Nougat which made it faster than ever, had all nougat features, no bloatware, lots of stable features of the rom itself, and made the battery better than ever. My original idea was to update to Pie then do a factory reset to make sure everything works as it should.
TLDR: Should I update to Pie? or stay in Oreo?
Thanks.
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Just make sure you update to latest Oreo, not the early Oreo needed for Bootloader Unlock. You need latest Oreo for DTS 3D Stereo and the many camera improvements.
I'm still on rooted stock US998 20h Oreo.
For using android 10 ROMs you'd need to have stock pie
But to use pie aosp it'd be best if you stay with stock oreo as Android 10 ROMs have a few bugs
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/detailed-guide-aosp-roms-issues-solution-t4002535
Yep, seen that, I was doing some research. I think I will just stick to newest Oreo for now and try some custom pie roms, such as Havoc OS. Eventually, if I see any stable Android 10 roms appear, I'll move to that. Thanks for your help!
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Just make sure you update to latest Oreo, not the early Oreo needed for Bootloader Unlock. You need latest Oreo for DTS 3D Stereo and the many camera improvements.
I'm still on rooted stock US998 20h Oreo.
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Hi Chazz,
I still have LG V30 h931 US998 20h rooted (stock) following your instructions. It has been solid as a rock, and I can do anything I need to with it. Recently picked up a One Plus 9 pro and I am seriously considering returning it before the 14 days run out. Battery life on my V30 is measured in days, not hours.
Just not seeing all that much increased performance to justify the 1k price. If I return it, I will get a Nord 10 and save a lot of cash.
Thanks for your hard work on this device. I hope there is a decent mod or update around the bend for this great phone someday soon.
hammeru said:
Hi Chazz,
I still have LG V30 h931 US998 20h rooted (stock) following your instructions. It has been solid as a rock, and I can do anything I need to with it. Recently picked up a One Plus 9 pro and I am seriously considering returning it before the 14 days run out. Battery life on my V30 is measured in days, not hours.
Just not seeing all that much increased performance to justify the 1k price. If I return it, I will get a Nord 10 and save a lot of cash.
Thanks for your hard work on this device. I hope there is a decent mod or update around the bend for this great phone someday soon.
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Hi Chazz,
I just installed DTS 3D Stereo and it appears to be working with the eq add-on installed as well.
In your opinion, Which are the better camera mods and what do I need to be careful about if installing one?
Since the DTS 3D installed without issue am I good to go? (I should know this already right?)
Thank you so much for your help and support to all of the V30 fans for so long. I now have a Pixel 4A 5G as a tester and I am still not overly impressed with it over my rooted 2017 LG V30. A camera upgrade via software would likely keep me happy with this phone for several more years.
hammeru said:
Hi Chazz,
I just installed DTS 3D Stereo and it appears to be working with the eq add-on installed as well.
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You're welcome.
hammeru said:
In your opinion, Which are the better camera mods and what do I need to be careful about if installing one?
Since the DTS 3D installed without issue am I good to go? (I should know this already right?)
Thank you so much for your help and support to all of the V30 fans for so long. I now have a Pixel 4A 5G as a tester and I am still not overly impressed with it over my rooted 2017 LG V30. A camera upgrade via software would likely keep me happy with this phone for several more years.
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There are plenty of GCam versions out there but I admit I have lost track of which ones are better. In the first year of development, there was always something wrong with them and most people ended up using two different versions for various scenarios. i.e. one for wide angle, one for regular lens, etc. Maybe that all got fixed, but I am not sure. Then TotallyAnxious developed her omnibus module which included camera from the V35/V40, but her module is no longer available.
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You're welcome.
There are plenty of GCam versions out there but I admit I have lost track of which ones are better. In the first year of development, there was always something wrong with them and most people ended up using two different versions for various scenarios. i.e. one for wide angle, one for regular lens, etc. Maybe that all got fixed, but I am not sure. Then TotallyAnxious developed her omnibus module which included camera from the V35/V40, but her module is no longer available.
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Thank you for the reply, I will let you know what I end up doing and if it ended up being an improvement.
Frankly the V30 camera is decent enough for most of what what I need it for.
FWIW, I am still on Oreo and I use Arnova's mod for GCam 6.1 (the latest version usable on Oreo... newer revs require Pie or higher). I found that the recommendations at this link worked best for me, in general: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-suggested/
I use the stock cam as well as this one as needed... this one does crash sometimes, but it works great for night-sight pictures, which is all I use it for.
Hi, this question may sound weird. I believe I made a general post about but got lost.
I have the XT1650-03 and also XT1543 (may sound off topic but is not).
Both of them are running custom roms, the Z running Android 9, and the G3 2015 running Android 7.
My question is, how do you know which is the "optimal" version for a phone? I'm not talking about features, or security updates. Is like having a PC running Windows 7, and then upgrading (doing a clean install of course) to Windows 10 and you see that the computer works but has a hard time with it. The same could be said with Linux versions; maybe.
I'm debating myself between staying where I'm or going back to stock on both phones, then rooting them, as not much modification was done and both of them are my daily drivers; so I care more for stability and optimal resource use during the day than anything else.
I remember once @ lost101 made some optimized roms for the Moto G, basically stock roms but without bloatware and some optimizations, but haven't seen anyhing for the G3 or even the Z. I remember my Moto G lasted quite a long time before I gave it to my mom a few years ago, today she has a Moto E, but still has my old Moto G working, she has it as a backup phone; still with the improved Moto G stock rom.
Edit: I also wanted to thank @squid2, @sd_shadow, their files have also kept in shape my trusty Moto G3
Sorry, I'm getting old for this.
XDADoog said:
Hi, this question may sound weird. I believe I made a general post about but got lost.
I have the XT1650-03 and also XT1543 (may sound off topic but is not).
Both of them are running custom roms, the Z running Android 9, and the G3 2015 running Android 7.
My question is, how do you know which is the "optimal" version for a phone? I'm not talking about features, or security updates. Is like having a PC running Windows 7, and then upgrading (doing a clean install of course) to Windows 10 and you see that the computer works but has a hard time with it. The same could be said with Linux versions; maybe.
I'm debating myself between staying where I'm or going back to stock on both phones, then rooting them, as not much modification was done and both of them are my daily drivers; so I care more for stability and optimal resource use during the day than anything else.
I remember once @ lost101 made some optimized roms for the Moto G, basically stock roms but without bloatware and some optimizations, but haven't seen anyhing for the G3 or even the Z. I remember my Moto G lasted quite a long time before I gave it to my mom a few years ago, today she has a Moto E, but still has my old Moto G working, she has it as a backup phone; still with the improved Moto G stock rom.
Edit: I also wanted to thank @squid2, @sd_shadow, their files have also kept in shape my trusty Moto G3
Sorry, I'm getting old for this.
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This may not help you as much as you would like The most optimized ROM is the one that works the best for you.
Most ROMs that are going beyond what the OEM provided are building that against the base firmware of the device. So a device that doesn't have A/B slots, won't get seamless updates, or treble support (ok, there are rare cases for Treble). The point is, custom ROMs are providing kernel and security updates. For some people, all of the bells and whistles in a custom ROM is not optimized for their use. For others, stock is never enough. I personally retire a device that no longer gets security updates, either from the OEM or at least from the custom development community.
Often a device performs badly due to an aging battery. Also, any ROM, over time can get bogged down and benefit from a factory reset fresh start.
You need to decide what serves you and your device best
@ktmom It does help, thank you.
The thing is that, I was debating myself thinking that the whole android world depended heavily on the phone's tech specs. I mean, I have read about a Moto G with Android 9 but... for a daily driver, that doesn't need all the bells and whistles... is it worth it? is it too much? That's what I was thinking.
Thank you for taking your time and answering me, I really appreciate it.
I think sometimes the new and improved specs are being chased because it's shiny. I tend to buy last season's model Google phone from swappa. I think the Nexus 6 is roughly equivalent to the Moto G. The N6 has several A9 ROMs still developed and at least one A10 ROM. I still have two N6 devices but they run as control devices in the house. Either could be pressed back into service as a daily driver if needed.
Which is better as a daily. I'm already unlocked and rooted on Oreo... Runs perfect but I've read multiple comments about Pie being better...
Is it true? Opinions please and why...
Thanks. Hope everyone is safe at home
If you're happy with oreo. Don't upgrade to pie.
Oreo FTW. I'm still running it on 5 of our family's phones.
jafferkhan said:
Which is better as a daily. I'm already unlocked and rooted on Oreo... Runs perfect but I've read multiple comments about Pie being better...
Is it true? Opinions please and why...
Thanks. Hope everyone is safe at home
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Especially for US998, nothing about Pie is "better" than the last stable Oreo. I'm on rooted Oreo with Magisk mods. US998 Pie is wonky and lots of trouble. LG never released the Open Market US998 Pie but only the U.S. Cellular US998 Pie. For people using other carriers like Verizon, some functionality is lost vs the Open Market US998 Oreo. For other Pie KDZ, it's a mixed bag.
However, if you decide to check it out and don't like it, then downgrading from Pie back to Oreo causes issues with camera, flashlight and other sensors and while there is the a workaround which mostly works, you still risk having to use permissive kernel/mode. I have this warning at the top of every Pie KDZ thread.
On stock Pie seems LG slowed the charging speed and one of our Telegram devs (who works on a stock-based Pie ROM) made a list of other stuff LG degraded in stock Pie vs stock Oreo. I just asked him to re-submit it and I'll post it here.
HOWEVER, to run AOSP/LOS-17 based ROMs you do need to install stock Pie. But I have never run a custom ROM on this phone since I bought it. In the past, since like 2010, I've had custom ROMs on every other Android phone and tablet -- and helped friends do the same. But on this phone, I kept it rooted stock with a couple of mods. Our AOSP custom ROM devs work very hard and we appreciate the developments -- but with my current job I need my phone to work at all times of the day and night. Best for me personally to run rooted stock.
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From Aeron Li, the dev for AIX (stock based Pie ROM) and AIS (stock based Oreo ROM):
The pros and cons of Stock 9 Pie for LG v30:
CONS:
- lowered the processor frequencies at 518/800 MHz instead of 300 MHz and the Adreno graphics core at 257 MHz instead of 180 MHz in the Governor Interactive scheduler, which always works out of the box by default. Changing the scheduler requires a root and specialized programs for editing CPU / GPU parameters.
The result is twofold, on the one hand, an increase in speed (vaunted smoothness of the UI, which, in principle, is achievable by slightly different, MUCH MORE HUMAN METHODS) on the other hand, is a decrease in the battery life of the device, but since Android 9 has additional means of optimizing the battery, this is not so noticeable. Consider, the life time remained almost the same, but as a result we were simply deceived, because Google promises with the transition from Oreo to Pie an improvement in battery time, but in fact we do not have this.
- Lightweight sound driver. Stock Oreo calmly supports 384kHz / 32bit sound, and if you have certain tools, you can reconfigure it to output sound with improved quality by recounting with Aqstic and QuadDAC Saber. The 9 Pie driver does not have such an opportunity.
-LG removed FULLY ANT + support from 9 Pie. These are widely used (in Europe, the USA, Korea for sure) medical and sports devices - scales, sports trackers, bicycle microcomputers, etc. Why so is a mystery to me. It's a shame.
- device performance profiles + Thermal Engine profiles. They are awful. Not only that, in conjunction with the overestimated frequencies of the scheduler, by default the phone quickly “warms up”, thanks to them it starts to throttle faster to cool off. therefore, User Expirience is getting worse.
- depending on the region, the camera is trimmed in functionality. The same CinemaMode can write video either in FHD maximum or in UHD.
- Depending on the region, the WiFi settings functionality is cut. For example, for America, settings for displaying WiFi networks by signal level are available, the ability to select the carrier frequency for connecting to dual-frequency routers (auto / 2.49 / 5GHz), it is possible to choose the priority and the WiFi zone depending on the location (home / work / street ), there is an automatic connection to specialized WiFi XT networks.
- at some regions there is no way to transfer the access point to the 5GHz band. Only 2.4 GHz mode is available.
- Gestures (yes, neutered) are implemented using the launcher and not at the level of the system framework. Of course, I don’t know whether it was Google who originally did 9 Pie this way, or whether LG tried it. But for me, this is a minus of the system.
- no AR emoticons in the selfie camera. Minus for an amateur, but still.
- There is no DTS-X implementation for speakers. Moreover, the hardware is supported by us, and the mode can even be turned on, however, due to the cut-off audio path, it simply will not work.
-No equalizer as in older models, the same G7. At the same time, if you just install the application from the older device into the system (and add some string into build.prop), it will appear in the settings and work!
-A controversial point, but for me this is a huge minus. Again, I don’t know, maybe it’s because of Android 9 Pie, or LG is to blame, there is no choice to determine the geolocation in an expanded form (GPS + A-GPS + for mobile networks / GPS / For mobile networks). In addition, VERY increased battery consumption by the item "Help search for WiFi networks to improve geolocation". The fad consumes up to 2% of the battery in 8 hours. Someone does not care, but someone cherishes literally every milliampere-hour of the battery.
- degraded HEVC decoder. Cannot normally decode HFR (High Frame Rate) videos - videos with FPS over 60 - 120/240 fps. All your slow-mo recorded in HEVC will appear with overcontrast and hue.
PROS:
- fluent UI
- more CPU/GPU performance
- Newer API, support for newer games, apps, Vulkan API
- newer security patches (last was from december' 2019 at South Korean v300 device firmware)
- better CPU utilizing for idle mode and DOZE mode
In principle, these are the main disadvantages of the drain of LG Android 9 Pie. At least what I remembered now.
ChazzMatt said:
Nothing about Pie is "better" than the last stable Oreo. I'm on rooted Oreo with Magisk mods.
However downgrading from Pie back to Oreo causes issues with camera, flashlight and other sensors and while there is the a workaround which mostly works, you still risk having to use permissive kernel/mode. I have this warning at the top of every Pie KDZ thread.
On stock Pie seems LG slowed the charging speed and one of our Telegram devs made a list of other stuff LG degraded in stock Pie vs stock Oreo. I just asked him to re-submit it and I'll post it here.
HOWEVER, to run LOS-17 based ROMs you need to install stock Pie. But I have never run a custom ROM on this phone since I bought it. In the past, since like 2010, I've had custom ROMs on every other Android phone and tablet -- and helped friends do the same. But on this phone, I kept it rooted stock with a couple of mods.
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Thank you for the detailed reply. I understand... Even I've read countless complains regarding Pie for the v30 ... I too am rooted on stock Oreo and it's been fantastic for me. However... I have a G6 that's on Pie but it's not usable, it's way too slow and being a Verizon phone, it's bootloader is locked... I thought moving to Pie would help with the v30 but I feel that is not the case.
Looks like I'll be sticking to Oreo.
Thanks again. Hope y'all are safe at home
tech_infinity said:
If you're happy with oreo. Don't upgrade to pie.
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Thanks man
schwinn8 said:
Oreo FTW. I'm still running it on 5 of our family's phones.
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Understood. Thanks for replying
Is the battery better on pie? Is there a difference in this case?
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Is the battery better on pie? Is there a difference in this case?
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No difference on battery usage itself, but charging is slower.
Oreo, ESPECIALLY if you have a US998.
Using Ting on T-Mobile's network, I upgraded both me and my wife's US998 models to pie after purchasing them about a year ago. I knew going in that Pie doesn't support VOLTE or WIFI Calling for T-Mobile (at least not with the US998 model) but I didn't expect it to be that big of a deal, considering I really don't care much about those features.
Now, keep in mind we don't do a lot of voice calling but the last couple of months we noticed that we had phone calls going straight to voicemail, and noticing some SMS messages took FOREVER to get, however clicking Airplane Mode on and off again would make them appear instantly. I never could figure it out until TING told me it was because the traditional 2G networks were being de-prioritized. Basically, without VOLTE if the towers are busy older tech gets put on the back burner - so calls and some SMS text messages won't go through.
Now with my wife working from home she had constant struggles getting calls to connect, and she was missing a lot of calls and texts from her work. A few days ago I reverted both phones to Oreo and everything is working perfectly.
MasterTec said:
Oreo, ESPECIALLY if you have a US998.
Using Ting on T-Mobile's network, I upgraded both me and my wife's US998 models to pie after purchasing them about a year ago. I knew going in that Pie doesn't support VOLTE or WIFI Calling for T-Mobile (at least not with the US998 model) but I didn't expect it to be that big of a deal, considering I really don't care much about those features.
Now, keep in mind we don't do a lot of voice calling but the last couple of months we noticed that we had phone calls going straight to voicemail, and noticing some SMS messages took FOREVER to get, however clicking Airplane Mode on and off again would make them appear instantly. I never could figure it out until TING told me it was because the traditional 2G networks were being de-prioritized. Basically, without VOLTE if the towers are busy older tech gets put on the back burner - so calls and some SMS text messages won't go through.
Now with my wife working from home she had constant struggles getting calls to connect, and she was missing a lot of calls and texts from her work. A few days ago I reverted both phones to Oreo and everything is working perfectly.
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I understand, looks like I'll be staying on Oreo, and downgrading my old G6 to Oreo as well. It felt much smoother. On Pie it feels terrible
ChazzMatt said:
Especially for US998, nothing about Pie is "better" than the last stable Oreo. I'm on rooted Oreo with Magisk mods. US998 Pie is wonky and lots of trouble. LG never released the Open Market US998 Pie but only the U.S. Cellular US998 Pie. For people using other carriers like Verizon, some functionality is lost vs the Open Market US998 Oreo. For other Pie KDZ, it's a mixed bag.
However, if you decide to check it out and don't like it, then downgrading from Pie back to Oreo causes issues with camera, flashlight and other sensors and while there is the a workaround which mostly works, you still risk having to use permissive kernel/mode. I have this warning at the top of every Pie KDZ thread.
On stock Pie seems LG slowed the charging speed and one of our Telegram devs (who works on a stock-based Pie ROM) made a list of other stuff LG degraded in stock Pie vs stock Oreo. I just asked him to re-submit it and I'll post it here.
HOWEVER, to run AOSP/LOS-17 based ROMs you do need to install stock Pie. But I have never run a custom ROM on this phone since I bought it. In the past, since like 2010, I've had custom ROMs on every other Android phone and tablet -- and helped friends do the same. But on this phone, I kept it rooted stock with a couple of mods. Our AOSP custom ROM devs work very hard and we appreciate the developments -- but with my current job I need my phone to work at all times of the day and night. Best for me personally to run rooted stock.
________
From Aeron Li, the dev for AIX (stock based Pie ROM) and AIS (stock based Oreo ROM):
The pros and cons of Stock 9 Pie for LG v30:
CONS:
- lowered the processor frequencies at 518/800 MHz instead of 300 MHz and the Adreno graphics core at 257 MHz instead of 180 MHz in the Governor Interactive scheduler, which always works out of the box by default. Changing the scheduler requires a root and specialized programs for editing CPU / GPU parameters.
The result is twofold, on the one hand, an increase in speed (vaunted smoothness of the UI, which, in principle, is achievable by slightly different, MUCH MORE HUMAN METHODS) on the other hand, is a decrease in the battery life of the device, but since Android 9 has additional means of optimizing the battery, this is not so noticeable. Consider, the life time remained almost the same, but as a result we were simply deceived, because Google promises with the transition from Oreo to Pie an improvement in battery time, but in fact we do not have this.
- Lightweight sound driver. Stock Oreo calmly supports 384kHz / 32bit sound, and if you have certain tools, you can reconfigure it to output sound with improved quality by recounting with Aqstic and QuadDAC Saber. The 9 Pie driver does not have such an opportunity.
-LG removed FULLY ANT + support from 9 Pie. These are widely used (in Europe, the USA, Korea for sure) medical and sports devices - scales, sports trackers, bicycle microcomputers, etc. Why so is a mystery to me. It's a shame.
- device performance profiles + Thermal Engine profiles. They are awful. Not only that, in conjunction with the overestimated frequencies of the scheduler, by default the phone quickly “warms up”, thanks to them it starts to throttle faster to cool off. therefore, User Expirience is getting worse.
- depending on the region, the camera is trimmed in functionality. The same CinemaMode can write video either in FHD maximum or in UHD.
- Depending on the region, the WiFi settings functionality is cut. For example, for America, settings for displaying WiFi networks by signal level are available, the ability to select the carrier frequency for connecting to dual-frequency routers (auto / 2.49 / 5GHz), it is possible to choose the priority and the WiFi zone depending on the location (home / work / street ), there is an automatic connection to specialized WiFi XT networks.
- at some regions there is no way to transfer the access point to the 5GHz band. Only 2.4 GHz mode is available.
- Gestures (yes, neutered) are implemented using the launcher and not at the level of the system framework. Of course, I don’t know whether it was Google who originally did 9 Pie this way, or whether LG tried it. But for me, this is a minus of the system.
- no AR emoticons in the selfie camera. Minus for an amateur, but still.
- There is no DTS-X implementation for speakers. Moreover, the hardware is supported by us, and the mode can even be turned on, however, due to the cut-off audio path, it simply will not work.
-No equalizer as in older models, the same G7. At the same time, if you just install the application from the older device into the system (and add some string into build.prop), it will appear in the settings and work!
-A controversial point, but for me this is a huge minus. Again, I don’t know, maybe it’s because of Android 9 Pie, or LG is to blame, there is no choice to determine the geolocation in an expanded form (GPS + A-GPS + for mobile networks / GPS / For mobile networks). In addition, VERY increased battery consumption by the item "Help search for WiFi networks to improve geolocation". The fad consumes up to 2% of the battery in 8 hours. Someone does not care, but someone cherishes literally every milliampere-hour of the battery.
- degraded HEVC decoder. Cannot normally decode HFR (High Frame Rate) videos - videos with FPS over 60 - 120/240 fps. All your slow-mo recorded in HEVC will appear with overcontrast and hue.
PROS:
- fluent UI
- more CPU/GPU performance
- Newer API, support for newer games, apps, Vulkan API
- newer security patches (last was from december' 2019 at South Korean v300 device firmware)
- better CPU utilizing for idle mode and DOZE mode
In principle, these are the main disadvantages of the drain of LG Android 9 Pie. At least what I remembered now.
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Hi..I am using stock Oreo (V20F-IND-XX) without rooted on H930DS Indian variant. I am interested to root and downloaded all necessary files from WTF. Can you suggest what mods can be installed after rooting in oreo. ?Its not like i m lazy to search on forums. Since you are very much active in using V30 i thought you might have an clear idea.
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Hi..I am using stock Oreo (V20F-IND-XX) without rooted on H930DS Indian variant. I am interested to root and downloaded all necessary files from WTF. Can you suggest what mods can be installed after rooting in oreo. ?Its not like i m lazy to search on forums. Since you are very much active in using V30 i thought you might have an clear idea.
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First of all, rooting is a philosophy. It means you actually own your phone. Like being the "admin" of your own handheld computer. Until you root your phone, the OEM/carrier still has full control. Three years ago, Samsung bricked the new state-of the-art Note 7 phones on purpose (due to the controversial battery issues) with a forced "brick" update -- to force users to trade that phone to get lesser phones like Galaxy S7 (which at that point was over a year old). This proved Samsung really still "owned" and controlled those devices. So, most people had paid hundreds of dollars to basically RENT their phones from Samsung. Still the property of Samsung. But not all Note 7 phones had bad batteries, and many users LOVED their Note 7 phones. The few people who got to KEEP their Note 7 phones were those who had rooted their phones. Samsung couldn't force the BRICK update on them. So, they were the real owners, not Samsung.
In the beginning with Android it was assumed you would want to root your phone. Why would you own a computer you weren't the admin? Android is based on Linux and you can root to add more options, more features, improve performance. Only in the past 3 or 4 years have OEMs/carriers really locked down phones and users are being brainwashed to believe root isn't "necessary". Please. Until you root, it's not really your phone.
Yes, in the future it may be impossible to root as OEM security measures have gotten tighter. But until it becomes impossible, I want to own my own phone.
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Second, with root you can install not only Magisk mods but also Xposed mods. Xposed framework is installed as a Magisk mod, then you install Xposed mods in that framework. If you're concerned about passing Safety Net for Xposed mods there's a branch called edXposed which hides root like Magisk does for their mods.
Gravity Box is probably the best known Xposed mod, and can be installed with edXposed. It's like a full custom ROM in one module with dozens of features, options. ROM-IN-A-BOX. While it's really designed to work with pure Android, the stock LG GUI is light enough most features work. This article will tell you some about Gravity Box in general. Here's also a YouTube video. You would want the Oreo version, of course.
Main features
- QuickSettings tile management with additional tiles
- Pie Controls
- Expanded desktop with semi-immersive and immersive modes
- Lockscreen tweaks
- Statusbar tweaks
- Navigation bar tweaks
- Power tweaks
- Display tweaks
- Media tweaks
- Phone tweaks
- Hardware key actions
- Launcher tweaks
- Screen recording
- Smart radio
- Notification control (per-app notification LED/sounds/vibrations)
- Fingerprint Launcher
- Advanced tuning of Framework and System UI parameters
... and many more
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I do not have edXposed installed myself -- I don't care about passing Safety Net -- but I wrote up instructions in the Guide section for installing edXposed several months ago.
See attached Screenshots for the mods I have installed. This is just my choice and you may want others.
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Third, with this V30 phone you need root to enable the DTS 3D SURROUND stereo framework which LG delivered with latter Oreo builds. This is also why you need to update to latest Oreo after initial bootloader unlock on early Oreo. The TWRP flashable zips have it already configured, and you just flash Magisk -- or if you flash full image KDZ you can change build prop yourself.
ChazzMatt said:
First of all, rooting is a philosophy. It means you actually own your phone. Like being the "admin" of your own handheld computer. Until you root your phone, the OEM/carrier still has full control. Three years ago, Samsung bricked the new state-of the-art Note 7 phones on purpose (due to the controversial battery issues) with a forced "brick" update -- to force users to trade that phone to get lesser phones like Galaxy S7 (which at that point was over a year old). This proved Samsung really still "owned" and controlled those devices. So, most people had paid hundreds of dollars to basically RENT their phones from Samsung. Still the property of Samsung. But not all Note 7 phones had bad batteries, and many users LOVED their Note 7 phones. The few people who got to KEEP their Note 7 phones were those who had rooted their phones. Samsung couldn't force the BRICK update on them. So, they were the real owners, not Samsung.
In the beginning with Android it was assumed you would want to root your phone. Why would you own a computer you weren't the admin? Android is based on Linux and you can root to add more options, more features, improve performance. Only in the past 3 or 4 years have OEMs/carriers really locked down phones and users are being brainwashed to believe root isn't "necessary". Please. Until you root, it's not really your phone.
Yes, in the future it may be impossible to root as OEM security measures have gotten tighter. But until it becomes impossible, I want to own my own phone.
________
Second, with root you can install not only Magisk mods but also Xposed mods. Xposed framework is installed as a Magisk mod, then you install Xposed mods in that framework. If you're concerned about passing Safety Net for Xposed mods there's a branch called edXposed which hides root like Magisk does for their mods.
Gravity Box is probably the best known Xposed mod, and can be installed with edXposed. It's like a full custom ROM in one module with dozens of features, options. ROM-IN-A-BOX. While it's really designed to work with pure Android, the stock LG GUI is light enough most features work. This article will tell you some about Gravity Box in general. Here's also a YouTube video. You would want the Oreo version, of course.
I do not have edXposed installed myself -- I don't care about passing Safety Net -- but I wrote up instructions in the Guide section for installing edXposed several months ago.
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Thanks for the heads up... About to root my phone
ChazzMatt said:
First of all, rooting is a philosophy. It means you actually own your phone. Like being the "admin" of your own handheld computer. Until you root your phone, the OEM/carrier still has full control. Three years ago, Samsung bricked the new state-of the-art Note 7 phones on purpose (due to the controversial battery issues) with a forced "brick" update -- to force users to trade that phone to get lesser phones like Galaxy S7 (which at that point was over a year old). This proved Samsung really still "owned" and controlled those devices. So, most people had paid hundreds of dollars to basically RENT their phones from Samsung. Still the property of Samsung. But not all Note 7 phones had bad batteries, and many users LOVED their Note 7 phones. The few people who got to KEEP their Note 7 phones were those who had rooted their phones. Samsung couldn't force the BRICK update on them. So, they were the real owners, not Samsung.
In the beginning with Android it was assumed you would want to root your phone. Why would you own a computer you weren't the admin? Android is based on Linux and you can root to add more options, more features, improve performance. Only in the past 3 or 4 years have OEMs/carriers really locked down phones and users are being brainwashed to believe root isn't "necessary". Please. Until you root, it's not really your phone.
Yes, in the future it may be impossible to root as OEM security measures have gotten tighter. But until it becomes impossible, I want to own my own phone.
________
Second, with root you can install not only Magisk mods but also Xposed mods. Xposed framework is installed as a Magisk mod, then you install Xposed mods in that framework. If you're concerned about passing Safety Net for Xposed mods there's a branch called edXposed which hides root like Magisk does for their mods.
Gravity Box is probably the best known Xposed mod, and can be installed with edXposed. It's like a full custom ROM in one module with dozens of features, options. ROM-IN-A-BOX. While it's really designed to work with pure Android, the stock LG GUI is light enough most features work. This article will tell you some about Gravity Box in general. Here's also a YouTube video. You would want the Oreo version, of course.
I do not have edXposed installed myself -- I don't care about passing Safety Net -- but I wrote up instructions in the Guide section for installing edXposed several months ago.
See attached Screenshots for the mods I have installed. This is just my choice and you may want others.
_____
Third, with this V30 phone you need root to enable the DTS 3D SURROUND stereo framework LG delivered with latter Oreo.
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I am curious about xposed, wasn't edxposed a requirement to get those modules running?
Could you please link the relevant forum where you've written about installing it without edxposed?
jafferkhan said:
I am curious about xposed, wasn't edxposed a requirement to get those modules running?
Could you please link the relevant forum where you've written about installing it without edxposed?
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edXPosed is only a requirement to have xposed modules running AND pass Safety Net.
"Regular" xposed doesn't pass Safety Net. But I don't care about Safety Net. I carry my wallet with me when I go out, my banking app doesn't rely on Safety Net to let me use it -- it relies on password or fingerprint. I don't play games which require Safety Net. If/when I ever do care about Safety Net I'll go back and install the edxposed version of xposed.
To just install xposed you install the "xposed framework" magisk module. See my screenshots a couple of posts up for Magisk modules. One of them is xposed framework. Then once that is installed and you reboot, you can install whatever xposed modules you want. I installed Oreo Gravity Box and a couple of others. In that post with the screenshots I also gave link to the Oreo Gravity Box.
jafferkhan said:
I understand, looks like I'll be staying on Oreo, and downgrading my old G6 to Oreo as well. It felt much smoother. On Pie it feels terrible
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Actually it's a shame because my phone worked so much better with PIE. Battery life was way better and everything just seemed smoother and more reliable. Not that there are really any specific problems with OREO but I did notice my battery life took a hit and the phone is a bit less butter, but really I have no complaints.
Until someone figures out how to port the VOLTE functions to PIE on the US998 (without bricking the phone) my options are pretty limited, and I'm too cheap to buy a new phone when the old one works just fine.
I'm using Pie (JF zip), and it looks like volte and wifi calling are working. These are screenshots from two diff phones, because one phone has a t-mobile sim - which allows wifi calling (no doubt it works, I've used it), and the other phone has a mint mobile sim (using t-mo networks) and it shows the HD icon which I believe indicates using volte? The mint sim doesn't allow wifi calling, they indicate as much on website, the only v30 they allow wifi calling have t-mo imei.
I'm very happy with Pie, works great imo
AsItLies said:
I'm using Pie (JF zip), and it looks like volte and wifi calling are working. These are screenshots from two diff phones, because one phone has a t-mobile sim - which allows wifi calling (no doubt it works, I've used it), and the other phone has a mint mobile sim (using t-mo networks) and it shows the HD icon which I believe indicates using volte? The mint sim doesn't allow wifi calling, they indicate as much on website, the only v30 they allow wifi calling have t-mo imei.
I'm very happy with Pie, works great imo
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On 2nd screenshot i see "4G LTE". That's just the LTE icon in U.S. Whereas in U.S., stupidly "4G" icon is really HSPA.
Where is this HD icon you are talking about?
ChazzMatt said:
Where is this HD icon you are talking about?
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I assume @AsItLies is referring to the green "HD" dial button. That's how I remember it looking when I had my H932 on T-Mo.
I'm right now trying to get VoLTE (HD Voice) working on my US998 with Red Pocket GSMA, after they enabled it on all networks: GSMT (T-Mo), GSMA (AT&T), CDMA (Verizon) and CDMAS (Sprint, select phones only). They used to only have it on GSMT.
https://help.redpocket.com/hc/en-us...-and-can-I-use-it-with-my-Red-Pocket-service-
So far I haven't been able to make it work on US998, but I've only just begun. I have one on Oreo 20h and one on Pie 30b.
Both these phones came with 30b (from YYWireless on eBay) and in my case Pie worked flawlessly on both. I rolled back to Oreo on one of the phones because I had an app that doesn't work on Pie, and probably never will. Pie is undeniably a bit slower, more lagging. Disabling SRTC and LDB/MLT helps a lot, and after also disabling animation it's fine. But no doubt Oreo is faster. OTOH, I have LTE issues on Oreo (phone only reluctantly connects to LTE, prefers HSPA, spends long time searching for network after every boot) whereas on Pie it was perfect (and still is on the other Pie phone). Also, the "Adaptive battery" feature on Pie is brilliant.
I've considered upgrading the Oreo phone back to Pie to see if the LTE problem goes away, or whether it's a persistent modem issue. But I would roll back to Oreo anyway, and right now it is not a high priority in my life.