Here is a simple test with a simple printed paper I did with my camera and the S23U, the situation of the camera is much worse than the S23 because of the ISO and because is using the complete frame in the shot, so you see complete edge to edge lens sharpness
M6 MKII: ISO 500 @ 22mm f/5.6, image occupy the entire frame to better check edge to edge sharpness, you can see edge to edge sharpness, its a pity greedy Canon discontinued this fantastic travel camera...
S23U: ISO 50 @ 50mpx, not possible to occupy the entire frame because of the distance it does not focus, so part of the frame is occupied and this could be an advantage to the S23U but it is not in practice because just moving a bit from the center it loses sharpness a lot and even worse detail because of the heavy noise correction.
Versions in REALRAW and PRO: EXPERTRAW pictures are much sharper than PRO... Come on Samsung, what are you doing?
I did not post the 12mpx shot because is not a fair comparison and in this phone having the 50mpx option who will shot in 12mpx when using the normal lens...
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The files are in the attachment for the size and you can make a comparison on your screen, is easy to see why a camera make a big difference, much better sharpness edge to edge, much better detail compare to the S23U because S23U apply heavy noise correction in its sensor and the quality of lens edge to edge of the S23U is by far really bad like any camera phone.
This is a very very simple comparison because to be fair we need to buy the target, even if I shoot with the phone when I don't have my camera, I prefer to do all my travel and home videos with the phone.
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
blackhawk said:
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
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Just wanted to do it at ISO 500 as worst case, at ISO 100 it will be even better.
I added more shots with a bigger target printed in laser to fill the frame of the S23U, the shot of M6mkII is at ISO 3200 (no noise reduction) and the 12mpx and 50mpx of S23U with EXPERTRAW, the lens of S23U are not able to resolve correctly 50Mpx moving a little out from the center, much worse in higher mpxs, so this camera at 200mpx is useless because of the lenses not able to resolve and the noisy sensor.
If you check the chart, at 50Mpx the lens resolves well in the center, moving a bit from the center aberrations start to appear.
At 12mpx the lens resolution is acceptable center to border, with much less aberrations compared to 50mpx but still we see the cheap glass used.
This is a nice test to do in any phone to understand if the phone brands are able to resolve the mpx they promote, in the case of Samsung is able to resolve 50mpx in the center only.
M6 was shoot at ISO 3200 without noise reduction and it destroys the S23U camera in any aspect and the difference is pretty big. (we didn't include color rendition here because the situation of S23U could be much worse)
The pictures in the attachment
CONCLUSION: if you want to do simple point and shoots with low quality glass and a sensor with noticeable noise reduction, use the phone.
Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
citytrader said:
That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Correct and for the pleasure I have the M6, a real pleasure... everyone that likes photography should try a mirrorless DSLR in any brand they like to see the difference.
You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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Is my mistake, is EXPERTRAW not realraw, I corrected the original post.
For the people that want check sharpness and to do their own testing printing the chart, I will attach the PDF that is better printed in A3 or around that size.
It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
joewoo said:
It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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Honestly, it really depends on your needs. The best camera is the one you have with you.
I have a Canon R6 with a 70-200mm and other lenses but I definitely don't have this on me all the time while I have this phone with me at all times and so I still want to get the best out of it, hence why I also use a mix of stock cam 12mp, stock 50mp and GCAM.
Knowing the strengths and limitations of each tool / mode is how you can get better result. For example, using 50mp mode I frame more than I need so I can then crop and avoid part of the edge softness. Still end up with a file that's more detailed than the 12mp. For everyday though gcam 12mp is good enough.
But when I went to shoot at a friend's wedding of course the phone is out of the question and I used the R6. But when travelling and hiking, I challenged myself to travel light (got tired of carrying heavy gear around all the time) and managed to get very good results that did some very fine prints for our home. Again, I'm not selling my travel pictures online etc. So having the top quality isn't always necessary. In the end for social media sharing and small prints at home you should usually be fine with phone pictures.
It really depends on the intended purpose of your pictures (or willingness to carry heavy gear around) so I don't think it's fair to say that one is better than the other. In terms of pure quality of course dslr will win but there are many other considerations to be had.
Everyone knows a professional camera is going to take better pictures than any cell phone camera. So what's the point of all this? Nobody is gonna lug their main camera around with them everywhere they go. But the S23U does take greaat pictures at 12 mpx and with telephoto 3x and 10x. It also makes phone calls, has social media, stream movies and plays games which is something your DSLR will never be able to do. Nobody here bought the phone thinking they were getting a DSLR quality camera. I don't really give two chits because the phone does what its been designed to do. If you were expecting a DSLR in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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R in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
citytrader said:
I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
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The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
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The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
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LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
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LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
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I've shot in Philly's bad sections. I hold it by the lens base next to my chest. Basically a 5# hammer. Rather slam it into someone's face than have it stolen. Jogging only works if you see them coming as they tend to be lazy
Had some bangers come up to me at a fair once. Turned out all they wanted to do is pose, that was interesting. Be friendly but be prepared...
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Hey Guys,
I got my Note about 2 weeks ago and have noticed that the camera and pictures are unusually grainy/noisy and the auto focus is subpar which results in blurry pictures. I have messed with the ISO settings changing it to 100 and 200.. which seems to help some, but its still noticeable as well as the settings dont save. I have tried 3rd party apps as well, still the problem persists. I've also compared my camera and photos to a buddy's Sprint Note 2 and his are far superior. My next step is to go to Verizon, but i just wanted to see if anyone else was having issues. I have heard that it could probably be the Drivers and that it might be fixed with an update, hopefully so, because of now, im highly disappointed.
any input or advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Josh
That doesn't sound right, I get great pics from mine.
Obviously they are not as good as my EOS 1D Canon DSLR but they are amazing for a camera phone IMHO.
Here is a shot I took in a very dimly lit room where I wasn't even sure the pics would come out:
http://s361.beta.photobucket.com/user/jmorton10_photo/media/Camera-ZOOM_zpsbafd9ff2.jpg.html
I took over 100 shots and they all came out great. I printed an 8"x10" pic from this and nobody can believe it's from my phone.
I have used Camera ZoomFX or Camera FV-5 (to save RAW images) in my last 3-4 phones.
it's definitely not right.
to get even a decent picture, i have to manually set the ISO to 100 or 200, then focus (because the auto focus is terrible as well) and then if i move even the slightest, the picture comes out blurry.
Moose1988 said:
it's definitely not right.
to get even a decent picture, i have to manually set the ISO to 100 or 200, then focus (because the auto focus is terrible as well) and then if i move even the slightest, the picture comes out blurry.
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You have anti shake on?
Like most phones I find pics pretty bad if im not in bright light...or using flash..
And manually setting the iso at 100 in dark conditions is obviously gonna blur..youre better off using the flash and turning the exposure down a bit
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You have anti shake on?
Like most phones I find pics pretty bad if im not in bright light...or using flash..
And manually setting the iso at 100 in dark conditions is obviously gonna blur..youre better off using the flash and turning the exposure down a bit
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well when setting the ISO to lower levels, Anti Shake is greyed out.
and everything in low light is gonna blur, yeah.. but im talking about all the time. regardless of light. I can get somewhat better pictures when I adjust the settings, but, that is somewhat time consuming when wanting to take a quick picture, especially since it doesnt save the settings I choose.
I am having the same problem. No solution yet.
Is your camera lense dirty? Wipe it with a microfiber cloth or something.
I'm having problems with blurry pictures as well. Seems like the camera is not "fast" enough trying to capture kids who move around while you're trying to take a picture. I've got it set to single shot, highest resolution, auto iso and auto exposure and still get some noisy pics and blurry faces. Not sure what it is....
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I am having the same problem. No solution yet.
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Maybe an update will help. Here's to hoping
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Is your camera lense dirty? Wipe it with a microfiber cloth or something.
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I make sure its clean everytime. I thought that might be it but no. Its more of a grain.. like its the software or a driver issue
1dirtypanda said:
I'm having problems with blurry pictures as well. Seems like the camera is not "fast" enough trying to capture kids who move around while you're trying to take a picture. I've got it set to single shot, highest resolution, auto iso and auto exposure and still get some noisy pics and blurry faces. Not sure what it is....
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Yeah exactly. I have the same exact issues.
Could it be a Verizon Note issue?
I just did some testing, seems anti shake adds an enormous amount of noise to images, as does auto contrast.
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I just did some testing, seems anti shake adds an enormous amount of noise to images, as does auto contrast.
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I never use either of those settings, but I'm definitely surprised that as ruins the image like that.
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I'm having problems with blurry pictures as well. Seems like the camera is not "fast" enough trying to capture kids who move around while you're trying to take a picture.
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LOL, no big surprise there.
Some real digital cameras are going to have that problem..
I don't think its the anti shake as I have mine turned off. I have my flash set to off but maybe because the room I'm in isn't bright enough so it's pumping up the iso to capture the shot and thus its grainier..
But I've still notice that it's hard to get a good picture of moving subjects like kids oe dogs as it doesn't seem to focus on the right place or the focus point moves to easily.
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But I've still notice that it's hard to get a good picture of moving subjects like kids oe dogs as it doesn't seem to focus on the right place or the focus point moves to easily.
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These are some of the main reasons people buy DSLRs. NO little dc is going to be fast enough for any kind of action shots.
I have done pro photography for years. When I want to take any kind of action (especially in lower light like you typically find inside your house), I grab my DSLR with a fast lens. That camera will shoot 8 frames per second, all in perfect focus, stops all action and will do it easily in lower light conditions.
The camera phone however works great if you give it half a chance. If you are taking a posed shot (like the one I posted where the girls were not moving) and have enough light (use the flash if necessary) then the phone and its tiny little lens and sensor will give very decent results.
I have been playing with the camera a ton in the last couple days using this app:
http://www.camerafv5.com/
The more I practice with it, the more impressed I am with this device.
If you understand basic photography, FV-5 gives you tons of ways to very quickly/easily make a fast settings change with one fast click to change things like the auto focus point, white balance setting etc to give really outstanding results within the limitations of the actual hardware.
Posters talk about an update like that will magically cure why they can't take a decent picture. No update is going to fix blurry pics when the cause of that is user error (and reading some of these posts it is obvious to me that is the case).
Posters are expecting results that are way beyond the capabilities of a device that is a phone first and also happens to also take snapshots. Expecting it to capture perfectly focused, sharp images of your kid or dog running around the yard is ridiculous. That is the job of a DSLR, even some of the better dedicated DCs will struggle with those kind of shots.
There are two basic settings that apply to any picture taken, F stop (how much light the lens lets in) and shutter speed (how long the shutter stays open while snapping the picture). Both these settings are adjustable on the better quality digital cameras. The faster the shutter speed, the better it is for stopping action. If you shoot at say 1/1000 of a second, you can shoot a clear pic of a race car. On the other hand, 1/15 of a second is so slow that even a slight twitch on the photographers part will result in a blurry image.
With the phone cameras, you don't have the luxury of altering these settings much (if there is any adjustment at all). With the tiny lens of the N2 (or ANY camera phone) you cannot alter the F stop setting at all, it is what's called a fixed aperature and is not adjustable. That only leaves the shutter speed to change to get the correct exposure for any particular shot.
Using Camera FV-5, you can get a small amount of manual control to make that shutter speed faster (better to stop movement) but it doesn't help all that much because if you pick a really fast/short shutter speed the image will usually come out way too dark as it is not letting in enough light to properly expose the image. With a good quality DC, you would open up the F stop more to compensate for this, but you can't do that with the fixed aperature phone camera lens (which is so tiny it doesn't let in much light to begin with)
Camera FV-5 gives you more control than the stock camera app which gives you no control al all, but the tiny lens/sensor etc can only do just so much. I have simplified a lot of this info to make it easier to understand, but the same basic principles apply to any camera all the way back to film cameras.
To take better pics with the N2, try to...
1: hold the camera as still as possible, brace it against something to help with this if possible
2: provide as much light as possible. Either add more ambient light or use the flash (or both)
3: don't expect results that equal a good quality digital camera, the N2 works great for basically posed snapshots etc. If you're trying to shhot your kids Varsity Basketball league or your 2 year old chasing the dog around the back yard get yourself a basic DSLR.
Well for me... I do know how to use a camera.. I've set all the settings, I know basic photography. I know its a phone camera, but my thunderbolt took better pictures than this. To me it seems like a phone issue... NOT a user issue. Thanks for the lesson though. Appreciate it. :good:
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Well for me... I do know how to use a camera.. I've set all the settings, I know basic photography. I know its a phone camera, but my thunderbolt took better pictures than this. To me it seems like a phone issue... NOT a user issue. Thanks for the lesson though. Appreciate it. :good:
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So maybe it is a phone issue, maybe yours has defective hardware??
I'm hoping so. It really seems more grainy than it should be. I still need to go to Verizon and check another Note 2.
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I never use either of those settings, but I'm definitely surprised that as ruins the image like that.
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LOL, no big surprise there.
Some real digital cameras are going to have that problem..
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I'm not talking about kids running around but rather them sitting still long a full 2-3s so I can snap a good picture without them moving their head. I don't have problems with my gnex camera at all in the same location. I seem to be having similar focus or grainy images that the op is seeing.
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The problem is that your last phone was an htc. Im coming from a Rezound and that camera was way better than this one. Never really even mess with the settings on the Rezound and the pictures always came out crisp and detailed.
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The problem is that your last phone was an htc. Im coming from a Rezound and that camera was way better than this one. Never really even mess with the settings on the Rezound and the pictures always came out crisp and detailed.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative here at all, but I don't agree with this.
I still have two Rezounds and I rarely used the cameras because even though I kept reading how awesome the Rezound camera was I was never overly impressed with mine. I recently compared identical shots from one of the Rezounds with my N2. I left both on full auto so it was a fair comparison.
All the shots from the N2 came out perfect while the shots from the Rezound varied considerably. Some of the Rezound shots where too dark and others missed the focus point.
I really think some of you guys may have defective N2s and should go back to verizon and compare yours to another unit to compare results. My N2 is the first phone camera that works so well for me that I don't feel the need to carry an extra small P&S camera with me along with the phone.
I took over 100 shots of a Christmas party for my 12 year old daughters soccer team. I sent them to all the parents of the girls and they are thrilled with the shots. I took them inside where the light was not that great and most other phone cameras would have produced disastrous results. The shots are all perfectly exposed and it only missed the AF point on a couple shots.
The parents have all seen me shooting with my Canon EOS 1D DSLR over the years and naturally assumed that was what I was using to take the shots. When I told them the shots all came from my phone they where astounded. I printed a few 8"x10" shots for some of the parents and they can't believe it was possible to get a shot of that quality from a phone.
One of them told me yesterday they had framed the shot and hung it in their family room. Now, granted I have been doing photography professionally for years and I will always take better pictures in most situations without even thinking about it but I don't think that's the case here. I had my wife take some shots with the note to make sure that it wasn't just me. Her results where not as good as mine, but they where just fine as far as the camera performance.
Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
For years, a misconception among most consumers is that the higher the megapixel count, the better quality of images. Actually, the number of megapixels is only one of many factors that determine picture quality, with sensors and image processors each playing a critical role.
The 2.0 micrometer UltraPixel has effectively twice the surface area of the typical 1.4 micrometer pixel found on 8MP solutions from leading competitors and far larger than the 1.1 micrometer pixel on 13MP sensors.
In order to provide the best quality on our camera, we have designed our own HTC ImageChip 2 to perform some of the processing at the hardware level.
Aperture is the width that a camera lens opens when a picture gets taken.
Aperture is measured in f-stops, with the smallest f-stop numbers representing the largest apertures.
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Length of time required to capture an image, resulting in misaligned light streams coming into the sensor.
The physical shaking of the hand while holding the camera or pressing the shutter button.
To address the first issue, HTC's camera is now capable of capturing full size photos in up to 1/48 of a second, compared to 1/30 of a second from other competitors and the HTC One X (2012). This is a significant improvement in shutter speed on a smartphone camera, producing photos and videos that are sharper and clearer in all conditions.
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And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
Yep, the One has a great image sensor for a cellphone. Sure it's pictures wont blow up as big as the S4's pictures, but these 4MP pics look great on my 55 inch G Series Panasonic plasma. I mean how much bigger do you want them? I'm not one to crop my pictures, nor am I one to use a digital zoom. My feet are my zoom (think of using a prime lens). I would like to see HTC remove the AA filter and give us just us the raw images. That would be pretty awesome, and in theory it would really show off what HTC is trying to do.
In the meantime I've been able to get some great shots, and that's good enough for me.
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Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
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Unrelated, Actually it was AMD that showed Intel that Mhz was the wrong way of looking at things. Intel turned the war around when they started thinking like AMD. AMD grabbed a lot of market share during those times. P2-PD years. Now back to the info on great camera tech
(photography geek here)
I applaud HTC's decision to back away from the megapixel war and focus on photosite size and light-gathering capabilities. Cell phones have been capable of taking decent photos in good lighting for some time, but its a rare phone that can take non-blurry, non-noise-laden photos in even most average room lighting. The typical lux ratings of the average living room are astonishingly low, actually -- it's a testament to the design of our eyes that we see so well when most cameras really struggle to gather sufficient light.
Anyway, as I said, I love the direction HTC has gone, although in reality I think they sacrificed too much resolution to reach their goal. 4MP is simply not enough in many scenarios. Go thoroughly read the in depth comparisons on some of the thorough HTC One / Galaxy S4 reviews (such as Anandtech's exhaustive review/comparo) and it becomes obvious: While the One holds a measurable advantage in low-light scenarios, its lack of resolution often negates any benefits that it offers. Given equivalent exposure, competitors' 8-13MP images can be downsampled to match the 4MP max output of the One, generally reducing the effect of visible noise, while offering vastly improved sharpness and details.
And the output from the One in low light, medium-high ISO situations is not nearly as clean or sharp as you would think based on the "Ultrapixel" claims. Any base, entry-model, bare bones point and shoot camera would outperform it in areas of detail, clarity, noise handling and dynamic range.
Still, it's true that the One can absolutely enable shots in extremely low lighting situations that other camera phones simply can't capture at all due to the limitations of their apertures and ISO ceilings. But in average low-light scenarios, the One isn't as far ahead of the competition as you would think after reading that white paper (don't forget, "white paper" is industry code for "scientific sounding paid advertisement").
All this said, I love the One and its camera, flaws and all. The fact that it enables me to get keepers, even if not the best, in situations when other camera phones would simply produce a dark, blurred mess, makes the tradeoff worth it. And since most of my phone photos go to a typical web gallery (i.e. - not huge printed output), the results are acceptable.
In the end, my point is simply that while HTC has gone in an excellent direction, they need to strike a better balance between sensor & photosite size and resolution. Other improvements, such as moving away from plastic lens elements, improved processing algorithms, etc would make up for a lot as well. A 6-8MP HTC One with Apple's sapphire lens elements and a little better image processing (HTC cameras simply struggle to nail colors and sharpness in auto mode, IMHO) would be ideal.
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
I really like what HTC did with the camera but if I had to choose to swap that camera I would swap it with the 13mp on the oppo 5.
seattletecg said:
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone. As I said in my prev post the oppo 5 camera would be the best thing for me. I think that phone has the best smartphone camera.
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In reality I think it would of been better for a higher mp camera. This was taken with night mode, a lot of the pics I take has noise to it thanks to the 4mp camera that the one has.
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Monk4Life said:
I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I don't know how well the nexus 4 camera is. But take pictures with the one with text in the distance and try to see how sharp that text is. I use my note 2 to take pictures of say phone numbers of houses for sale while i'm driving. I do the same with my htc one and I"m not able to make out the text. Also look at pictures on the web of htc one pics and look at pictures with words in the distance. No matter how you look at it its still 4 megapixels
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Great read. Inspired to look at old photos from my GS2, and its f-stop and "bokeh" ability.
Thanks a lot, will be late for work tmw morning
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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This is the starting, watch next year in HTC's next flagship(hopes for the best).
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yes they will get better, next year maybe a 6 ultra pixel or 8 would be the best but maybe years off.
I have to say I am super disappointed with the camera, its the one thing that makes me want the GS4, I am hoping some software mods can help, but I doubt it.
The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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Yep, its funny I installed Camera FX, and the pictures are 100% better, very clear not all fuzzy. Lol HTC cant make a camera that works better than a generic camera app. lol
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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Zoom with your feet instead of using the digital zoom. I'd prefer the Nokia camera, but this is a close second in my book. I look at pictures on my phone, laptop, and tv. These 4MP pictures look just fine on all three.
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For all you guys debating if the 4mp is good or not, look at the development of DSLRs. I've had people complain about my 10mp 4/3 camera have less mp than their LG but my camera definitely takes a whole lot better pictures.
Sensor size is all I have to say.
One also has an advantage of having an optical image stabilizer which is a whole lot better than digital.
Higher megapixel count is better for cropping. I'm supprised they haven't yet developed cropping zoom, which 4mp of a 13mp is about 3x zoom with no distortion. Also using the mp count would be good for cropped digital stabilization.
4mp is enough for Facebook and other things because Facebook takes 2mp 2048x1xxx on high quality, so even if needed, you can still crop out half the picture without distortion.
My only complaint about the One's camera is that it has a preference for ramping up the iso and using stabilization instead of the great flash in darker pictures.
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FxCamera by Bitcellar Inc. is free from the market and fantastic. It has made every phone cam capture better than stock pics with all the phones and tablets I have used.
For unlocked users, you guys should try a custom rom on 1.29. Increases quality greatly.
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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The problem is in the size of the pixels.
You can only fit so many pixels on a cameraphone, the lens is only so big. So with a lower pixel count, you lose clarity but you have bigger pixels. bigger pixels let in more light which makes the pictures brighter in low lighting conditions. HTC looked at the data and saw that people were using their cameras for:
- selfies
-pictures of food in restaurants
- pictures with friends
- more selfies
-etc etc
and they were uploading them to:
- facebook (which has a ****ty resolution cap i think its 2mp or something)
- instagram (smaller cap then facebook)
-twitter (see above)
so on paper it makes sense for them to go this way. The majority of their customers dont need 13mp, they're never going to use 13mp.
So for what it is, I think they made the right move. That being said, being a 30 year old tech junkie I would have preferred 13mp not for the count but because pictures do look significantly clearer on say the SGS4 compared to the One in normal lighting conditions. But its not something to go up in arms about. At this point, whatever keeps HTC afloat I'm all for it.
As I got a P10 (sadly not the P10 Plus) at MWC, I have been out and about in Barcelona taking photos.
I thought it was probably a good idea to create a thread for others to post to.
Here are my first photos at night:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/26/huawei-p10-night-photos-around-barcelona-and-first-impressions/
Followed by some in the late afternoon:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/27/huawei-p10-more-photos-around-barcelona-during-mwc-2017/
And an open Google Photos gallery that anyone can contribute to.
https://goo.gl/photos/BCfjQvk6zQmwm9w79
The camera is pretty much identical to the Mate 9, but it does have the new portrait functions (that may come to the Mate 9 in a future update).
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
4K video samples; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCuoPs57Q4Q
jonmorris said:
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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Yes, and I do but it's not in the ideal position. I wish more companies would use two stage shutters like Sony.
I made some night shots for testing:
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All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
Got my P10 yesterday and here is my first shot (with aperture mode).
Jannomag said:
I made some night shots for testing:
All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
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Great shots. On your iPhone have you or did you try using Nightcap Pro?
P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way ☺
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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No editing.
vicusbass said:
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
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Many thanks! I am getting mine and getting rid of the OP 3T on Tuesday. The OP is a fast and nice phone, but a lacks a decent allrounder camera.
SebastianAlejandro said:
Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
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Hello Sebastian
This is a quote from the review on GSMArena:
"You'd argue that the f/2.2 aperture is quite dim by today's standards, to which Leica replies that you have two of those, so double the light. In effect that makes the aperture f/1.6 (2.2 divided by the square root of 2)."
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-review-1520p8.php
Also the arpeture on the plus model is still better, but not much
http://m.androidcentral.com/huawei-p10-vs-p10-plus-camera-comparison
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Thanks for sharing your beautifull pictures. It realy helps me to decide to buy this phone.
KyleGriffiths said:
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
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Love the photos. Have you used an older Huawei or Honor phone previously to the P10 Plus?
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
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I absolutely agree. My s10+ that I traded was a beast at night photos. Now my Note 10+ looks like pictures were taken from a laptop cam. So grainy and blurry at night or even during the day unless it's outside in a very nicely light place. Someone was saying some cases might cause this issue but I tried it without a case and no difference. Clearing cache and storage with rebooting does not help either. Mine is unlocked and the pictures were bad when i was on the U1 firmware and now I am t-mobile firmware and no difference. I am thinking about calling Samsung and asking for replacement. It seems this issue has been happening ever since the s8. A lot of complaints with the Note 9 too.
I feel regret for trading in my perfect s10+
I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
ok either i have another device and got scammed with note 10 +sticker on the box or something really wrong with your devices guys !!!
the photo and video quality is superb on this phone. the only area were my previous p30 pro shines over it is the night time and still very decent performer !
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I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Would love to, but XDA app says bad request when I try to attach an image.
I really do not know what device are the both complainers talking about, the camera is excelent, chinese cheap phones are by no means better than note's camera, so, only god knows what are you holding in your hands, or how you are using it
Takes great photos to me.
Most seem to havd hdr on. So moving shortly after taking a photo gives a blured photo. But other then that.
Great photos
Coming from a Pixel 3 XL (and previously a 2 XL), the overall image quality is a noticeable step down for me (Note10+ photos seem granier, blurrier, smudgier, etc.), but the versatility of the Note10+'s cameras are unmatched. The versatility alone is enough for me to sacrifice some image quality.
Video is a no contest. The Note10+ video capabilities puts the 3 XL to shame. However, Live Focus Video is atrocious and needs a lot of improvement.
Live Focus for portrait photos is mediocre at best. It softens way too much at the higher blur levels, to the point where the subject and background turn out smudgy and seem to 'melt' into one. Granted, I have taken a handful of good Live Focus photos, but the 3 XL's Portrait Mode is hands-down superior imho.
I have also noticed the shutter speed to be slightly slower on the Note10+ compared to the 3 XL, as I seem to capture more blurry shots of my 3yo son with the Note10+.
Quick question for everyone. Do you guys have HDR always enabled? I do, so I'm wondering if this is contributing to the slower shutter speed/lag.
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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I agree completely
Blaalad12 said:
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Nic
Blaalad12 said:
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Agree... I keep doing more and more tests and honestly i am even impressed by photos in the dark with the normal (wide angle) lens..
However there is some stuff not working well, like portrait mode in the dark, too grainy, probably due to the apperture. Need to use wide angle lens for dark situations.
I find it amazing to read complaints but none posts examples about it with the settings used.
Perhaps it has something to do with Qualcomm's processing vs Exynos? It seems Exynos Note 10 people are happy with quality and at least one of the two people in this thread with image quality issue is using Snapdragon Note 10 plus
Mine, too me at least seems good. I have snapdragon version, and maybe it's just me coming from my note 8? Hopefully these come through clear... The night shot was just on regular mode
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The note 8 camera is indeed really good, this note10+ is just plain excellent, that's it
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
Korowin said:
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
Klaudas said:
Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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Thank you both. Scene Optimizer didn't help at all and i will try that saturation thing, though it tells me it is not available for RAW mode
Still it is good to hear, that I am not the only one, so it is not a HW issue, but a software one. Right?
I am not expecting for the phone to replace my Nikon 6 II, but use it, when I am taking a walk and shoot something nice and not need to carry the camera and all the additional things with it
Stock app on s23u screen look ok. Because the screen is washed out with too much blue and green.
But when Ive edited the picture on my benq 4k screen 99% color accuracy, wow, indeed over saturated !
I will follow the Gcam thread closely, I think a member is very close to have a config file on point.
Itnis actually a really good point. I javent thought that i also have Vivid mode on the phone and things might look quite different on other devices.
I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
Korowin said:
I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
Klaudas said:
Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
Already did. I aslo spoke with a rep from Samsun US, but I am not sure if he will log it
Does it mean though that you dont have such an issue with your phone?
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Maybe I have but I like colors on my photos
Well not when the Oranges in your shot are trying to get out of the screen and have a life of their own
Don't use Expert RAW, as best as I can tell it has fewer capabilities that PRO mode in the stock app. Once in pro mode click the icon in the top right of the screen (looks like two concentric circles connected by spokes). Then along the bottom there are a bunch of cryptic icons. When you click on each some verbiage will appear explaining what they are. First one is contrast, second highlights, third shadows, fourth saturation, fifth tint. Take down saturation, highlights and shadows 2-3 clicks and bring contrast up the same amount and see what you think.
Other settings to adjust in tandem: from the modes panel pull down Pro mode to the modes strip at the bottom; under Advanced Picture options change storage mode to either RAW or RAW+JPEG if you want to futz with things in Photoshop; and most importantly under Settings to Keep make sure that camera mode and filters are checked.
Korowin said:
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behavior with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Well, I don't have my S23 Ultra yet and don't know how you got yours so fast. I'm still waiting and I ordered mine on the 16th, day before they were to be released.
That said, all high end phones and my Nikon Camera have settings that affect that, for an example the "VIVID" setting in my Nikon would cause the saturation problem with your photos and can be adjusted.
Also mid to high end Samsung TVs have that too. In the showrooms they're all set to VIVID or something similar to make the picture POP. Samsung phones probably comes that way as well.
So read your manual and find settings for saturation and adjust to your liking.
Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
Korowin said:
Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
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I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
william58 said:
I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
View attachment 5847523I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
Vasil Andreev Photography
Vasil Andreev Photography, София, България. 1,548 likes · 62 talking about this. Landscape, Wildlife and Macro Photography
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Korowin said:
you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
Vasil Andreev Photography
Vasil Andreev Photography, София, България. 1,548 likes · 62 talking about this. Landscape, Wildlife and Macro Photography
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Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
william58 said:
Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
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Awesome. I am still browsing and I love it. I am still new. Got the Nikon a year ago, had no clue what is going on, and still pushing through it. It is quite a lot of fun, having in mind I hated taking pictures before.
And I kind of like it, that this phone gives me the opportunity to dig into how it is working and what it does to get even more out of it.
I found that using my note9 for photos they came out exactly as what I see with my eyes. The 23 ultra threw a bunch of blue into the sky and made things much more vibrant than what it really looks like. When comparing the iPhone and s23 yes you can see pros and cons but no one really can see how enhanced the photos are. I can't find a way to make the pictures look less exaggerated. I don't think we should have to resort to using pro settings every time. Has anyone foud a way to correct the photos? Debating on returning back to the note
Master255 said:
I recommend just switching to S22. It has no such problems and everything works automatically. With him you do not need to be a professional to just take a photo.
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Sure. Makes sens. Ditch the batter battery, go for exinos, leave the better and flatter display, the otherwise perfect performance for me, the better ram and storage, etc. I can also get a Nokia with a flash life.
Having in mind I own a semi pro camera, this is a solid advice.
Cheers!
Master255 said:
The battery in the s22 is exactly the same, the s22 also has snapdragon, the screen in the s23 is greener displays less details and has fewer colors compared to the s22, the RAM is exactly the same, the drive too. As you can see the camera is so professional in the s23 that ordinary users can not use it. So you don't lose anything by switching to the s22!
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The things you are listing are not the same. I will get exinos cuz i am in the EU. The display is more energy efficient and i dont see the color stuff you are listing. It is a matter of set up.
The s23 ram is 5x, which means newer and faster. The storage is 4.0, which also means newer and faster, and more efficient
There is more in the s23U than the spec sheet tells in comparison to s22U.