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Hey XDA,
I got my S3 at launch, and ever since I've seen some great Jelly Bean roms coming out I've been tempted to flash one on. My only problem is that I'll be losing S Beam, Smart Stay and Direct Call.
Just wondering if anyone who has already done so can give me some advice on weather it's worth it? Weather the Jelly Bean features outweigh the built in ones or not? Any feedback would be great, thanks.
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Hey XDA,
I got my S3 at launch, and ever since I've seen some great Jelly Bean roms coming out I've been tempted to flash one on. My only problem is that I'll be losing S Beam, Smart Stay and Direct Call.
Just wondering if anyone who has already done so can give me some advice on weather it's worth it? Weather the Jelly Bean features outweigh the built in ones or not? Any feedback would be great, thanks.
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Samsung is almost ready testing Jellybean for the S3, it will come out in about 6-8 weeks officialy. Maybe some leaked roms will pop up at Sammobile soon. If you only want to root for Jellybean i would not do it and wait for a little while.
If you want those features stock with Samsung based roms and wait for the official jelly, in the meantime check out a few custom s Samsung roms to keep the flash addiction happy
There's a few reasons I'd flash one of these roms on it. #1 being I for some reason am a massive vanilla android fan, and #2 being that I live in Australia and it will probably take them an extra 6 months to bring the official update here after it's released. Although, I did get the "Stability Improvement" update last weekend, a few weeks off the rest of the world, is that an indication of future updates being that quick also?
Thanks for your replies and I look forward to continue this thread to help me decide. One part of me is thinking how hard is it to touch the screen to stop it from sleeping, press a button to call someone, or use bluetooth to transfer files bigger than web pages. The other is saying what's the point of getting the latest and greatest smartphone to get rid of it's advertised features?
I think ultimately the answer is just flash it and if you don't like them just restore your nandroid! I've got 4 now, of different roms/kernels ....it's like having quad boot!
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I think ultimately the answer is just flash it and if you don't like them just restore your nandroid! I've got 4 now, of different roms/kernels ....it's like having quad boot!
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Wait you can have multiple roms installed at once? I thought you could only have one! I'm quite new to this. Also while I'm here, how do I edit my signature? I can't find it in the CP anywhere
XoomZoom said:
Wait you can have multiple roms installed at once? I thought you could only have one! I'm quite new to this. Also while I'm here, how do I edit my signature? I can't find it in the CP anywhere
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if you root then you can create a nandroid backup(complete system image) so I try different roms, if I like one I set it all up then do a nandroid, so if I want to try other roms and come back I just restore it, but now that this will lose your data between making that original nandroid and returning to it
Are you kidding me? Another "Custom Rom or Not" Thread???? Really !?????
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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Already hundreds of times something has been written about these threads!
Don't open such Threads!
-Use Google
-Use other forums
-decide for yourself
XDA was made for DEVELOPERS to come and collaborate together. It's pretty sad that people have become so entitled to think XDA is a community where you can demand things, ask stupid questions, and expect people to solve your issues for you.
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Are you kidding me? Another "Custom Rom or Not" Thread???? Really !?????
Already hundreds of times something has been written about these threads!
Don't open such Threads!
-Use Google
-Use other forums
-decide for yourself
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Everyone's situation is different, hence why I'm asking. Also, I'm not "demanding" anything, I'm simply asking people who have already done what I'm thinking an opinion, and even developers can explain what the pros of using their software compared to stock if they so desire. I may be new to these forums, but I've been a part of the Android community since it's release so I don't appreciate being treated like a so called "noob" when if you calm down, sit back and think about it I have not broken any rules, and I posted it in Questions and Answers not the Development section so this is also the correct section.
To the other people who actually cared to share their opinion, thanks, and I think I'll give a few custom roms a go.
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Everyone's situation is different, hence why I'm asking. Also, I'm not "demanding" anything, I'm simply asking people who have already done what I'm thinking an opinion, and even developers can explain what the pros of using their software compared to stock if they so desire. I may be new to these forums, but I've been a part of the Android community since it's release so I don't appreciate being treated like a so called "noob" when if you calm down, sit back and think about it I have not broken any rules, and I posted it in Questions and Answers not the Development section so this is also the correct section.
To the other people who actually cared to share their opinion, thanks, and I think I'll give a few custom roms a go.
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Nevertheless, you can compare your questions with other questions and answer them. Be it here or in other forums.
Because I do not think your question is "unique" and can not be answered with another question that has already been asked.
You must simply enter your title in Google and then you'll find massive pages, where the same or similar question has been answered.
Why I am so upset about it? I have already explained in my text.
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Everyone's situation is different, hence why I'm asking. Also, I'm not "demanding" anything, I'm simply asking people who have already done what I'm thinking an opinion, and even developers can explain what the pros of using their software compared to stock if they so desire. I may be new to these forums, but I've been a part of the Android community since it's release so I don't appreciate being treated like a so called "noob" when if you calm down, sit back and think about it I have not broken any rules, and I posted it in Questions and Answers not the Development section so this is also the correct section.
To the other people who actually cared to share their opinion, thanks, and I think I'll give a few custom roms a go.
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This is not exactly a whats best rom post its asking is JB reliable enough to install; as its a not yet released firmware .Plus featureless lost .
Simple solution for whats the best rom posts is to report to a mod let them decide .
Personally i would not report this as its not a whats best rom post .
But OP i would actually wait for JB release from Samsung .
jje
JJEgan said:
This is not exactly a whats best rom post its asking is JB reliable enough to install; as its a not yet released firmware .Plus featureless lost .
Simple solution for whats the best rom posts is to report to a mod let them decide .
Personally i would not report this as its not a whats best rom post .
But OP i would actually wait for JB release from Samsung .
jje
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Then he should change the title. There may be discrepancies because of his title.
You have to admit that the title "Custom Rom or Not?" sounds like such a post
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Then he should change the title. There may be discrepancies because of his title.
You have to admit that the title "Custom Rom or Not?" sounds like such a post
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Its getting a bit off topic but i dont actually disagree with your viewpoint . Its just a complete waste of time forum is what its users are and their is no way around a general lowering of standards apart from the mods saying bang bang .I gave up a long long time ago and now ignore many posts .
OP not included in the above .
jje
Thank you all, I appreciate the feedback and I will change the title.
I have decided I'll do a backup of my current software and just give a few roms a go can't hurt unless I brick it.
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Thank you all, I appreciate the feedback and I will change the title.
I have decided I'll do a backup of my current software and just give a few roms a go can't hurt unless I brick it.
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Try temasek's rom, it's fast and fluid and i rarely have launcher redraws. Google Now is suprisingly useful in all times.
Some people think they are mods, just report the threads instead of coming into every thread you think look useless lol.. Talk about waste of energy
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Depends of the guys, i really appreciate the work of developers, but in 1 month, i see like 4 or 5 updates, with annoying updates like, NEW KEYBOARD, CHANGED BUILD.PROP and others, but nothing with NEW KERNEL, if possible get 3 or 4 developers to do 1 thing!! Or Stable kernel only in 2014 :/
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Depends of the guys, i really appreciate the work of developers, but in 1 month, i see like 4 or 5 updates, with annoying updates like, NEW KEYBOARD, CHANGED BUILD.PROP and others, but nothing with NEW KERNEL, if possible get 3 or 4 developers to do 1 thing!! Or Stable kernel only in 2014 :/
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A few questions:
There are not many devs left here. Do you think it is a good idea criticize our work like that?
Are you saying you don't want any updates unless it is a new kernel?
Have you considered trying to build a kernel yourself instead of complaining?
Just asking.....
I heard that the devs working on porting the XOOM kernel have progressed. Hopefully in due time...
It will, it's under development.
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A few questions:
There are not many devs left here. Do you think it is a good idea criticize our work like that?
Are you saying you don't want any updates unless it is a new kernel?
Have you considered trying to build a kernel yourself instead of complaining?
Just asking.....
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Im not criticating man, i really appreciate your work, you win my 10+ repp i only said that these updates dont be affect anything that the guys test. Because, i see much guys from here, and from other forums, that trying ICS several weeks because it have a new update, did you understand? hehe
Dont think wrong about my answr ;P
What exactly is the point of threads like this? People around here are getting just too good at nothing but whining and complaining. FYI, opening a thread like this is exactly the same thing as asking for ETAs, and I really hope everyone knows you NEVER ask for ETAs here. Instead of littering the forum with useless whiny adn wallowy threads like this, you could have helped the development efforts yourself. But no, people would rather just sit around idly and complain and whihe.
If you want a stable and fully functional ICS/JB right away, get a different device. If you want it in some undefined time, have patience, be supportive and QUIT ASKING. Better yet, instead of just waiting, take initiative and MAKE IT HAPPEN YOURSELF.
Hey Guys, I've reported this thread. I've got fed up with threads like these. Only asking for ETAs, growing up a bad mood... not throwing good vibes at all. We need patience, not ETAs. If you need a kernel so bad, then you've gotta have patience. That'll do the trick
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What exactly is the point of threads like this? People around here are getting just too good at nothing but whining and complaining. FYI, opening a thread like this is exactly the same thing as asking for ETAs, and I really hope everyone knows you NEVER ask for ETAs here. Instead of littering the forum with useless whiny adn wallowy threads like this, you could have helped the development efforts yourself. But no, people would rather just sit around idly and complain and whihe.
If you want a stable and fully functional ICS/JB right away, get a different device. If you want it in some undefined time, have patience, be supportive and QUIT ASKING. Better yet, instead of just waiting, take initiative and MAKE IT HAPPEN YOURSELF.
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Hey Guys, I've reported this thread. I've got fed up with threads like these. Only asking for ETAs, growing up a bad mood... not throwing good vibes at all. We need patience, not ETAs. If you need a kernel so bad, then you've gotta have patience. That'll do the trick
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wow, you've reported this thread?! all the guy was asking was how things are progressing. After the initial excitement of the ics leak there hasn't been anything of very much. He said he appreciated the work of the people who put the time and effort into trying to keep our phone as current as possible. Who do you think you are Ravilov labeling someone as whiny and wallowing (although just what you think the poster is wallowing in is beyond me - he asked a simple question). As for your pathetic 'no one asks for eta's' comment... I can only assume you've been spending too much time here.
Thankfully, the question was answered bu Syl and takemeouttt.
This is a forum, where people ask questions and, hopefully, get civil and informative answers.
1) New Keyboard -- Because people wanted to try the new keyboard with 'Swype'-like features.
2) build.prop edits -- Because different people are having different issues with the ICS roms. Devs are pretty much taking stabs in the dark to see which combination helps which device. (tegra part?)
3) Xoom Kernel Port -- Is compiled, but will be a while before everyone can test it and/or have a stable release (source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941654)
As for your original question, there's a strong possibility we might, but don't expect it anytime soon. If it was that easy, Motorola would have done it at the same time they did it for Xoom. Remember, developers might also upgrade to newer devices. Would seem pointless to develop for a device--that even the manufacturer abandoned, when you have a shiny new device.
The current "team" of developers ARE working "together". In my experience, it's hard to collaborate on something with another person remotely, but they seem to be managing it. Going by the thread, there are at least 2 active developers. Might be others who aren't updating in the thread, but are simply contributing by email and/or other ways?
This thread may or may not be pointless. I think if it gets closed at this point, it might help someone trying to find a simple answer without going through 1000's of posts in the development section.
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wow, you've reported this thread?! all the guy was asking was how things are progressing. After the initial excitement of the ics leak there hasn't been anything of very much. He said he appreciated the work of the people who put the time and effort into trying to keep our phone as current as possible. Who do you think you are Ravilov labeling someone as whiny and wallowing (although just what you think the poster is wallowing in is beyond me - he asked a simple question). As for your pathetic 'no one asks for eta's' comment... I can only assume you've been spending too much time here.
Thankfully, the question was answered bu Syl and takemeouttt.
This is a forum, where people ask questions and, hopefully, get civil and informative answers.
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Maybe i've should answered this:
See the proper thread in the forum. Hint: search button.
Now thats an appropiate response to the question in the 1st post.
How long more do ppl keep their atrix?
toyota86 said:
How long more do ppl keep their atrix?
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I bought an atrix 2 weeks ago, i'm waiting to the delivery from China, so i think i would keep it for a year
I think that the community is simply misguided.
There is not a single post which clearly explains that we hit a brick wall regarding battery life.
Not knowing that, it IS frustrating to see a "new update!!" as the title of the ROM post and find only minor graphical changes inside.
There is a simple way to solve that, we need a sticky with an explanation regarding the entire Atrix ICS issue.
It should have a brief explanation that the ICS and JB roms that we have now are incomplete and generally suffer from graphical issues due to the old kernel constrains and even though we have a leaked version of the original ICS kernel, it is only barely functional and in most cases far from being a daily driver.
It will save a LOT of browsing (for me at least) since I check almost daily on the progress in the development section and it is quite a hassle to browse through all the latest comments for a clue of any changes or new ideas of how to make the rom work better and it will inform all those that don't bother checking and simply end up disappointed in the new changes.
Creating such a post is easy and I can do so if you'll approve of my idea, but the major point is to make it sticky and up to date, even if the update is simply updating the title just to show that no progress regarding kernel development/ ICS implementation for the Atrix was made.
I have no problems updating it either.
I adore the dev community here and all of you guys.
It's nice to see optimism where other developers and testers would just give up.
I love you guys and keep up the nice job. :highfive:
Why we just can't delete everything and add the rom from galaxy r
mixlis said:
Why we just can't delete everything and add the rom from galaxy r
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I think epinter tried taking the kernel from either the galaxy r and other similar phones and came out with the same issues as we get with the leaked kernel.
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Tough to say if it will ever happen, but at least there are a few people still interested enough to try. Seems the current best hope is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2016837
All the top devs are working on the kernel plz support them by donating something try reading QandA section
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Does anyone know whats the most stable ICS/JB rom here? Need one with good battery life, & hwaccell...
Hey everyone, I'm new here and have been trying to find out what's going on with the i717 in regards to kitkat rom development. Anyone have any updates or know how soon we can expect to see some nightlies or any types of builds?
Thanks!
Has it even been released yet?
amcateesd said:
Hey everyone, I'm new here and have been trying to find out what's going on with the i717 in regards to kitkat rom development. Anyone have any updates or know how soon we can expect to see some nightlies or any types of builds?
Thanks!
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I will edit my original post here cause I was a bit of an A-hole. this was you first post and I didn't want your first impression to be as nobody here wants to help. of course if you had already read the previous, than I am too late and can only apologize.
a few spoken rules in one of the threads for newbies here.
1. run a search, maybe the question has already been asked before
2. read, read, read
3. help yourself first, as nobody is going to do the work for you.
there are thousands of people that are more than willing to help here, but you should be mindful of repeating questions as some folks can get irritated. it is usually someone that asks a specific question about an issue that was just addressed 2 post up or on the previous page.
making a personal request for an immediate feature that may have just been announce can also annoy some developers. some to the point where they have stopped developing.
good luck and remember to read
captemo said:
I will edit my original post here cause I was a bit of an A-hole. this was you first post and I didn't want your first impression to be as nobody here wants to help. of course if you had already read the previous, than I am too late and can only apologize.
a few spoken rules in one of the threads for newbies here.
1. run a search, maybe the question has already been asked before
2. read, read, read
3. help yourself first, as nobody is going to do the work for you.
there are thousands of people that are more than willing to help here, but you should be mindful of repeating questions as some folks can get irritated. it is usually someone that asks a specific question about an issue that was just addressed 2 post up or on the previous page.
making a personal request for an immediate feature that may have just been announce can also annoy some developers. some to the point where they have stopped developing.
good luck and remember to read
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Thanks, I didn't read until after the edit, however from browsing around here I was worried I would just be told to shut the **** up etc...
I have tried looking all over the place for info on a 4.4 rom and if people are working on one for the i717. So far I can't find anything. I was just wondering if anyone knew if the phone would be getting a ROM or left behind.
Our latest official release was 4.1.2.
As you can see, we now have ROMs on 4.2.2, 4.3 and 4.3.1. I have not seen any devs "promise" a 4.4 rom, and I don't expect them to.
But, the 4.4 source just dropped few days ago, and I am pretty sure that they are looking at it, at the very least. If history is any indication, I would say we are going to get 4.4 roms eventually. Developing a rom is hard work, so please just wait.
Asking for an ETA might be irritating for devs, if you are not contributing to the development. And if you are contributing to the development, you should already know the answer to the question.
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Our latest official release was 4.1.2.
As you can see, we now have ROMs on 4.2.2, 4.3 and 4.3.1. I have not seen any devs "promise" a 4.4 rom, and I don't expect them to.
But, the 4.4 source just dropped few days ago, and I am pretty sure that they are looking at it, at the very least. If history is any indication, I would say we are going to get 4.4 roms eventually. Developing a rom is hard work, so please just wait.
Asking for an ETA might be irritating for devs, if you are not contributing to the development. And if you are contributing to the development, you should already know the answer to the question.
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Sorry, I don't mean to annoy anyone. I only came here because no other place had info and was told to go to XDA. I am not trying to rush anyone and I know these things are a ton of work. Like I said I was only wondering if people thought at some point 4.4 would come to the i717 not plz give me rom now.
amcateesd said:
Sorry, I don't mean to annoy anyone. I only came here because no other place had info and was told to go to XDA. I am not trying to rush anyone and I know these things are a ton of work. Like I said I was only wondering if people thought at some point 4.4 would come to the i717 not plz give me rom now.
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Jamie has gotten CM11 to fully build for the i717 but he hasn't completely debugged it yet.....I would think he will be posting it soon.
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dparrothead1 said:
Jamie has gotten CM11 to fully build for the i717 but he hasn't completely debugged it yet.....I would think he will be posting it soon.
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Thank you so much for your answer! It's nice to see people take five seconds to answer a simple question, I really do appreciate it. Have a greatrest of your day!!!
Its just a phone.
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Its just a phone.
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And?
He posted the preview in General. I haven't been able to flash it personally because I use TWRP (and only CWM works at this point) but you're welcome to check it out. Flashed CWM Recover to try. P3 ran well, although obviously a bit buggy. P4 is out now with less bugs--both ran smoothly...well enough that I'm happy using it as a daily driver.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2518785&highlight=4+4+kitkat
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He posted the preview in General. I haven't been able to flash it personally because I use TWRP (and only CWM works at this point) but you're welcome to check it out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2518785&highlight=4+4+kitkat
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Yes, relative to ASOP/CM, the ones that I am aware of: JamieD81 is already working a version of CM11 plus his stand-alone Uber kernel and I believe that you will see Liquidsmooth (Patch_Adams) and Hellybean (ThdDude) come up with their versions.If you have not yet tried them, they all have excellent 4.3.1 kernel & Jellybean builds.
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ddochi11 said:
Our latest official release was 4.1.2.
As you can see, we now have ROMs on 4.2.2, 4.3 and 4.3.1. I have not seen any devs "promise" a 4.4 rom, and I don't expect them to.
But, the 4.4 source just dropped few days ago, and I am pretty sure that they are looking at it, at the very least. If history is any indication, I would say we are going to get 4.4 roms eventually. Developing a rom is hard work, so please just wait.
Asking for an ETA might be irritating for devs, if you are not contributing to the development. And if you are contributing to the development, you should already know the answer to the question.
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I would be happy with 4.3 if MHL works to use Chromecast features.
Would love to recycle older devices and connect to TV or Projector permanently.
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Most of the official ROMS are still in alpha, beta or nightly with no milestone version. Why is that?
Because most people don't rely on roms....xposed framework has greatly impacted my usage of roms.
I dunno why. Most of what I have used certainly didn't feel like a beta.
I am pretty gosh darn thankful we have what we have considering the limited number of newer devices with Verizon that can be tinkered with.
Exactly,
You should be thankful for what you have and not question what you don't.
A lot of devs and myself have jumped to the nexus 6, yet we still come here and build for you guys.
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Because most people don't rely on roms....xposed framework has greatly impacted my usage of roms.
I dunno why. Most of what I have used certainly didn't feel like a beta.
I am pretty gosh darn thankful we have what we have considering the limited number of newer devices with Verizon that can be tinkered with.
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I'm only curious because it's over a year old and they are still in this stage. That's all.
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Exactly,
You should be thankful for what you have and not question what you don't.
A lot of devs and myself have jumped to the nexus 6, yet we still come here and build for you guys.
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What was the purpose of your reply?
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What was the purpose of your reply?
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What was the purpose of your question? To piss of the few devs that still build for the g3?
Because thats how it came off, as ungrateful.
bweN diorD said:
What was the purpose of your question? To piss of the few devs that still build for the g3?
Because thats how it came off, as ungrateful.
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Well you need some perspective glasses. My question was just that, a question. If you have a problem with my question, maybe you should've asked someone else what they thought I'd the question instead of jumping to the conclusion that my question was other than a question. Don't be a troll.
Why would you insult someone who is contributing to the community? He was just saying that you shouldn't worry about the state of the roms here just be thankful that there is something for you to flash since a lot of developers have moved on from this device. I don't think your original question was wrong but the way you handled the responses were. Again just be thankful you have what you have or install Linux and compile the roms yourself.
Wow... His question didn't seem too insulting to me, just a bit ignorant and curious.
Most 'Unofficial' ROMs are work that someone has ported to the device; they are not supported by the teams that made the original.
Official ROMs are created by and most supported by the team on the specific device; the download is usually a link to the team's website. However, in many cases, they may only have one device among them and have not tested everything to the extent that either a test group or the public at large would, naturally. Development is always a WIP, so the BETA indicator is almost universal in custom ROMs where there is not major funding. More often, stock-based ROMs are called stable, because they are working with the base of a stable product that includes all the proprietary drivers and frameworks, vetted by a commissioned dev team at the OEM and another at the carrier.
Some devs/teams here are able to do more testing than others, but the BETA is often an exemption for anything that might not have been found in limited testing. In short, a ROM is often in beta because it has not been thoroughly tested by numerous testers on a specific device, providing detailed feedback and some debugging to the dev team. The more that users here dig in and try to help as opposed to saying "Does this work on this?" or "Why this don't workee??", the more stable those Beta ROMs tend to be--and some are rock solid or only have a few niggles.
Also, if the codebase that a dev starts with is a beta or nightly release (e.g. CM or PA), the child/forked ROM will most always carry over the alpha or beta label.
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Why would you insult someone who is contributing to the community? He was just saying that you shouldn't worry about the state of the roms here just be thankful that there is something for you to flash since a lot of developers have moved on from this device. I don't think your original question was wrong but the way you handled the responses were. Again just be thankful you have what you have or install Linux and compile the roms yourself.
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But I wasn't complaining. Simply asking a question about alpha and beta ROMs for the device. How is that insulting? If that was insulting, then every post made should be insulting. Why go any deeper? I just asked a question.
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Wow... His question didn't seem too insulting to me, just a bit ignorant and curious.
Most 'Unofficial' ROMs are work that someone has ported to the device; they are not supported by the teams that made the original.
Official ROMs are created by and most supported by the team on the specific device; the download is usually a link to the team's website. However, in many cases, they may only have one device among them and have not tested everything to the extent that either a test group or the public at large would, naturally. Development is always a WIP, so the BETA indicator is almost universal in custom ROMs where there is not major funding. More often, stock-based ROMs are called stable, because they are working with the base of a stable product that includes all the proprietary drivers and frameworks, vetted by a commissioned dev team at the OEM and another at the carrier.
Some devs/teams here are able to do more testing than others, but the BETA is often an exemption for anything that might not have been found in limited testing. In short, a ROM is often in beta because it has not been thoroughly tested by numerous testers on a specific device, providing detailed feedback and some debugging to the dev team. The more that users here dig in and try to help as opposed to saying "Does this work on this?" or "Why this don't workee??", the more stable those Beta ROMs tend to be--and some are rock solid or only have a few niggles.
Also, if the codebase that a dev starts with is a beta or nightly release (e.g. CM or PA), the child/forked ROM will most always carry over the alpha or beta label.
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Thank you! Ignorant, yes. Curious yes, that's all. Ignorant because I don't know. Curious because I want to know why.
digitallure said:
Thank you! Ignorant, yes. Curious yes, that's all. Ignorant because I don't know. Curious because I want to know why.
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I get it, but you have to know your audience a little. Here, it's a bunch of developers and enthusiasts who freely give their time, skills, and work. While your question was about labels and versioning, the way that it is written, some may take it as "Why isn't your contribution further along and/or more stable than it is? Hell, it's been a year! How do you account for this?"
That BS isn't right when it's coming from someone who is paying you thousands for your work.
It's really absurd to see people happy with the arrive of GSI roms that doesn't feature Moto mod support. I've tried some roms and the obvious result is that non of it let you use any mod so, ¿Is there any chance that developers build a ron or a module that let Moto mods work in GSI?
I agree, it's very annoying, there is even a super detailed guide on how to implement it on XDA somewhere. It has been accomplished already for all main mods, including JBL. (Maybe version 2)?
I tried bringing this guide to the attention of devs and got in **** for posting it in the development section so devs could see it lol
At least the battery mod will still charge the phone in recovery mode our little secret lol.
Well, at least we have Pie ROMs. And I don't know how compatible the Mods framework is with GSI. @MusicAlleyInc and you where already told that most devs wont do that since that can break too much stuff on the way and none are willing to go through the hassels just to satisfy a hand full of people actually using modules
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Well, at least we have Pie ROMs. And I don't know how compatible the Mods framework is with GSI. @MusicAlleyInc and you where already told that most devs wont do that since that can break too much stuff on the way and none are willing to go through the hassels just to satisfy a hand full of people actually using modules
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Many people use Turbopower, and JBL.
Those are referenced over and over.
Most times, Turbopower works but efficiency mode does not.
JBL often works without volume control.
These Roms are all using the same basic foundation.
Artim_96 said:
Well, at least we have Pie ROMs. And I don't know how compatible the Mods framework is with GSI. @MusicAlleyInc and you where already told that most devs wont do that since that can break too much stuff on the way and none are willing to go through the hassels just to satisfy a hand full of people actually using modules
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As I said: there is a tutorial which describes how to do this PROPERLY, without breaking anything, maybe a few things in the mods not working yet, but not breaking other things.
> https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72601804&postcount=2 <
It has been done, can be done, and obviously can be done if Motorola can do it in the first place.
And as noted, many people do use mods. That is why any intelligent person would have bought this phone. It's not to satisfy a handful of people, it's to have our phones work as they are meant to work.
MusicAlleyInc said:
As I said: there is a tutorial which I posted in this very forum which describes how to do this PROPERLY, without breaking anything.
It has been done, can be done, and obviously can be done if Motorola can do it in the first place.
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Well, there is quite a big difference between being Motorola, getting paid for it and having access to all necessary source code and being a dev doing that in your free time a having only limited access to necessary source codes
Artim_96 said:
Well, there is quite a big difference between being Motorola, getting paid for it and having access to all necessary source code and being a dev doing that in your free time a having only limited access to necessary source codes
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There is also a difference between competence and incompetence. The main mods used >already< work without issues except for the JBL mod, which is only an issue because of some proprietary code or driver or something.
But who the hell cares, that is what Bluetooth speakers are for.
All most people really care about is the battery mod and projector. Exclusive features like that without any simple/efficient alternatives.
These mods have worked stable in many custom ROMS when a little extra effort was made to make something competent. The only reason they are not working in Pie ROMS is because GSI's are universal and don't have them implemented in their base as they have been in past custom ROMS which were made FOR THIS PHONE...
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There is also a difference between competence and incompetence.
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While you call every ROM developer incompetent, when you know oh so much about that and how it had to be done, why haven't you just made your own ROM supporting every Moto mod?
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The only reason they are not working in Pie ROMS is because GSI's are universal and don't have them implemented as they have been in past custom ROMS...
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...And what was this thread about?
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MusicAlleyInc said:
There is also a difference between competence and incompetence. [\quote]
While you call every ROM developer incompetent, when you know oh so much about that and how it had to be done, why haven't you just made your own ROM supporting every Moto mod?
...And what was this thread about?
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What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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MusicAlleyInc said:
Artim_96 said:
What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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You complain most ROMs do not (fully) support mods, that means in your words those ROM developers are all incompetent
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Artim_96 said:
What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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Neither did I claim to know so much, I simply shared what I found.. an observation, do you gather?
It's not cool twisting peoples words to try to make them look bad.
Why would I build a ROM that supports most mods: when it has been done, that makes no sense...
Neither does the attitude I have received while trying to relay this information to devs for the benefit of the entire Moto Z2 play community.
I am not a DEV, perhaps that is another reason why I don't build my own ROM.
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MusicAlleyInc said:
You complain most ROMs do not (fully) support mods, that means in your words those ROM developers are all incompetent
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By the very definition of competence, building something that doesn't fully work is technically incompetence IN REGARDS TO THIS SUBJECT MATTER.
Especially when it has been already achieved to some degree. I am not complaining, nor did i say "fully" either. I am highlighting this fact and this fact only, do you have an issue with facts, or just a problem with pretense?
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I am not a DEV, perhaps that is another reason why I don't build my own.
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Then, just maybe, you should leave those topics to people who actually are instead of whining in several threads about devs deciding not to support it. You simply have no right to complain.
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Then, just maybe, you should leave those topics to people who actually are instead of whining in several threads about devs deciding not to support it. You simply have no right to complain.
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Maybe you need to understand the concept of progress and a constructive attitude.
Calling it whining is literally just making things personal, and totally unnecessary.
You insist on trying to dictate my intention as negative, your problem, not mine.
The thing is that GSI roms are generic, I know. But I have not seen any developments in Android P working around the mod support, ¿There's no possible way to build a module that let the users use turbo power mod in GSI? We have a great phone with a great power mod and we can't use it. For me is absurd to use GSI if I cannot get the most out of it
"Then, just maybe, you should leave those topics to people who actually ARE implementing this the same way the guy in the link I posted did....?"
But yet everyone is so fast to tell me nobody is and that nobody IS or has much interested in replicating his work, hmmm.
MusicAlleyInc said:
Maybe you need to understand the concept of progress and a constructive attitude.
Calling it whining is literally just making things personal, and totally unnecessary.
You insist on trying to dictate my intention as negative, your problem, not mine.
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Then just read the thread you opened on that topic. That's basically the definition of whining. And you are surprised that it wasn't taken very well when you don't stick to the forum rules about what belongs in which section and write it with such an attitude basically telling anyone that reads it that you think most ROM devs are just lazy and don't care about their users interests
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The thing is that GSI roms are generic, I know. But I have not seen any developments in Android P working around the mod support, ¿There's no possible way to build a module that let the users use turbo power mod in GSI? We have a great phone with a great power mod and we can't use it. For me is absurd to use GSI if I cannot get the most out of it
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Be happy that at least you can get something out of it for now using recovery mode.
I say just be patient, Stock Pie shouldn't be that far off. And if you want CUSTOM PIE and mod support, well chances look good that it can be done when dev's have access to stock pie firmware?
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Then just read the thread you opened on that topic. That's basically the definition of whining. And you are surprised that it wasn't taken very well when you don't stick to the forum rules about what belongs in which section and write it with such an attitude basically telling anyone that reads it that you think most ROM devs are just lazy and don't care about their users interests
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Dude, please cease and desist and stop twisting things out of context. You are pretentiously whining about me sharing important information and expecting ROMS made for this phone to make use of something that allows mods to work for this phone. Give it a rest.
And that post was totally soiled by someone with an attitude similar to your own, the reason I broke forum rules was for citing blatent ignorance as ignorance. Yeah, ask me how bad I feel about that.
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What's your problem? I didn't call every ROM developer incompetent, I was actually highlighting the competence of ones who achieved mod compatibility.
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That very developer removed mods support to improve the stability and performance of the Rom. And don't try to teach the developers how to create a ROM , we have only one left.
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MusicAlleyInc said:
That very developer removed mods support to improve the stability and performance of the Rom. And don't try to teach the developers how to create a ROM , we have only one left.
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So the same guy who claims he got these mods working stable and was promoting other people used what he learned, removes his work from his ROM because it makes it perform worse?
How does it impact performance? I have run at least 3 or 4 ROM with projector and turbo pack support that were absolutely fine and stable.
Also: it's fairly obvious this dude was the one trying to teach developers how to integrate mod support into their ROM, not me.
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A post of his from that thread:
"Rom discontinued
hey guys thanks for using this rom
sorry if i couldn't bring up ALL mods without bug (key word being ALL)
but i can't keep this rom updated anymore
so unfortunately i have to say Rom discontinued
this is mod apps update flashable zip to make new mods work https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=889964283620776495
all sources is online and ready for interested dev continue developing it"
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Sorry, but can you produce evidence of your claim?
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guys ! would you please stop bickering?
the OP of this thread wanted some insight about his problem and you use it to flame each-other ... this is not cool, huh?
I urge you to stop here, help the guy if possible and to keep it civil, I have trust in your cooperation, please don`t disappoint me...
thank you!