[REF] windows vista working on my touch pro... wm6.1 rdp - Touch Pro CDMA

hey all, check out this video of mine - full windows vista on my htc touch pro!
really it is just windows mobile remote desktop but there is absolutely zero lag except for when i play games or 1080p videos... simply amazing what tech can do now a days.
click here for the video
let me just say, that this, my friends, is the future of mobile computing.
1) handheld device with a Rx rate that is > 10Mbit/sec
2) desktop computer with a Tx rate that is > 10Mbit/sec
3) software (or even hardware acceleration) that is capable of rendering the complete desktop experience and Tx via internet
although, just a simple HD video stream of the server-side and an ultra fast Tx/Rx of input commands from the client to the server would work just as well and probably be easier to do. remote desktop mobile is great, but it can be so much simpler to provide the robust experience of the desktop computing environment.
why try and shrink everything to fit in such small devices? worry about thermal issues, ie no active cooling in a pda phone? just make it good enough to send and recieve data fast enough that there is no noticable lag (a human can't react to something that fast - check it http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.html)... so really, all you need is a connection between the two devices with a ping anywhere between 0ms and 190ms and there will be no noticable difference to the user (visually no lag @ 190ms, audiologists say our reaction time to sound is about 160ms).
i am just floored with this notion. if this doesn't become the standard in the years to come, i will seriously be surprised. the only thing limiting us right now is bandwidth, as my own testing of this has shown that any lag is not even close to noticable (esp since the ping to my comp via EVDO was less than 20ms) on the connections we already have. just a bit more throughput and this technology will be perfect.
the beauty of this type of computing is that the mobile device is not bound by the processor or video card or anything else, save the uplink and downlink speed for the internet (and driving the units display too); and, of course, the program on the "server"/desktop that renders and Tx the data...
anyone else ready for the future?
some might say "oh, well that's too small for me... i'll take my lappy or desktop over that any day..." screens are small now - but what about when flexable LCD/OLED screens become mainstream? you could fold up a device in your pocket and unravel it to a 22" monitor... or how about this, google picoprojector - cabable of displaying 1080p images, decent lumen output (not that bright, but the thing is the size of a zippo lighter), nice contrast ratio, DLP... that could be incorporated into the device - some new business phones in japan already have a pico-dlp projector built in.
i can't tell you how many times ive just wanted to use my gaming rig, work on photoshop, or do some 3D editing but ive been stuck somewhere without my monster rig - or on a long flight but my lappy is no powerhouse (7150m gfx just doesn't cut it)...
and what about that, what if the connection speeds (and also rendering speed of the stream too) was fast enough were i could just throw it on a "dummy" laptop (kinda like the redfly?) that has nothing more than a high-res display, CDMA 4G (which is just as fast as gigabit lan), keyboard, and wifi - this machine would act EXACTLY as your desktop, except you can take it with you anywhere there is a cell phone signal or wifi signal...
man, when 4G hits the USA, things are going to really open up... literally, the flood gates will be pulled back then - can you imagine? gigabit networking over a cell network??!! downloading a full DVD-5 in just under 5 minutes!!?

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TheTruth said:
hey all, check out this video of mine - full windows vista on my htc touch pro!
really it is just windows mobile remote desktop but there is absolutely zero lag except for when i play games or 1080p videos... simply amazing what tech can do now a days.
click here for the video
let me just say, that this, my friends, is the future of mobile computing.
1) handheld device with a Rx rate that is > 10Mbit/sec
2) desktop computer with a Tx rate that is > 10Mbit/sec
3) software (or even hardware acceleration) that is capable of rendering the complete desktop experience and Tx via internet
although, just a simple HD video stream of the server-side and an ultra fast Tx/Rx of input commands from the client to the server would work just as well and probably be easier to do. remote desktop mobile is great, but it can be so much simpler to provide the robust experience of the desktop computing environment.
why try and shrink everything to fit in such small devices? worry about thermal issues, ie no active cooling in a pda phone? just make it good enough to send and recieve data fast enough that there is no noticable lag (a human can't react to something that fast - check it http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/Lab/110/reaction.html)... so really, all you need is a connection between the two devices with a ping anywhere between 0ms and 190ms and there will be no noticable difference to the user (visually no lag @ 190ms, audiologists say our reaction time to sound is about 160ms).
i am just floored with this notion. if this doesn't become the standard in the years to come, i will seriously be surprised. the only thing limiting us right now is bandwidth, as my own testing of this has shown that any lag is not even close to noticable (esp since the ping to my comp via EVDO was less than 20ms) on the connections we already have. just a bit more throughput and this technology will be perfect.
the beauty of this type of computing is that the mobile device is not bound by the processor or video card or anything else, save the uplink and downlink speed for the internet (and driving the units display too); and, of course, the program on the "server"/desktop that renders and Tx the data...
anyone else ready for the future?
some might say "oh, well that's too small for me... i'll take my lappy or desktop over that any day..." screens are small now - but what about when flexable LCD/OLED screens become mainstream? you could fold up a device in your pocket and unravel it to a 22" monitor... or how about this, google picoprojector - cabable of displaying 1080p images, decent lumen output (not that bright, but the thing is the size of a zippo lighter), nice contrast ratio, DLP... that could be incorporated into the device - some new business phones in japan already have a pico-dlp projector built in.
i can't tell you how many times ive just wanted to use my gaming rig, work on photoshop, or do some 3D editing but ive been stuck somewhere without my monster rig - or on a long flight but my lappy is no powerhouse (7150m gfx just doesn't cut it)...
and what about that, what if the connection speeds (and also rendering speed of the stream too) was fast enough were i could just throw it on a "dummy" laptop (kinda like the redfly?) that has nothing more than a high-res display, CDMA 4G (which is just as fast as gigabit lan), keyboard, and wifi - this machine would act EXACTLY as your desktop, except you can take it with you anywhere there is a cell phone signal or wifi signal...
man, when 4G hits the USA, things are going to really open up... literally, the flood gates will be pulled back then - can you imagine? gigabit networking over a cell network??!! downloading a full DVD-5 in just under 5 minutes!!?
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Looks good....are you using a static IP at home?

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Nice OP.
I've been doing that a lot on the run, especially when one of the servers or the nodes gone haywire.
I have to say, a VGA screen is better than the QVGA.
Now, time to pull some prank that I can run OS X on this thing

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no static IP, unfortunately verizon fios does not hand them out to residential users; alas, it is dynamic... however, fios only renews the IP every so often - not sure if it is every hour, day, or week - but for the solid 3 or 4 hours i played around with my desktop via my touch pro today, the IP stayed the same.
really, all i wanted to do was wake on my PVR via the magical buzz from the lan - which causes my comp to either boot into mythbuntu or vista configed to load up sagetv, siggraph, and a firewirestb controller automatically. sagetv works beautifully like this - not only can i placeshift and watch the tube (i have sling too, but it doesn't allow for pvr) but i can have my pvr(computer) turned off and be like "oh crap, i forgot to turn on the pvr to record the penn state game... no problem, i'll just log in remotely, which will wake on lan, and then go right into sagetv and start recording...
i mean, the possibilities are endless with this - i love it. at work and need to pull a large file off your computer? no problem, you have your desktop in the palm of your hand. the other cool part about wm6.1 rdp is that it can map your phone as a drive, making file transfers flawless and as fast as your storage card can take them, essentially.

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SteveDusa said:
Nice OP.
I've been doing that a lot on the run, especially when one of the servers or the nodes gone haywire.
I have to say, a VGA screen is better than the QVGA.
Now, time to pull some prank that I can run OS X on this thing
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haha, i had some of my friends going that this phone had vista on it - in all honesty, noone but the tech savvy would be able to know that a pda couldn't run it.
although, windows 7 has a stripped kernal that only needs 512Mb of ram - our pda phones are ALMOST able to keep up with that... and just wait for the Via Nano, Intel Atom, Nvidia Tegra, or AMD's offering to show up in a phone.... even better, a pda phone with a UMD drive on it (psp + desktop pc power + small form factor = total convergence device).
man do i love technology

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TheTruth said:
no static IP, unfortunately verizon fios does not hand them out to residential users; alas, it is dynamic... however, fios only renews the IP every so often - not sure if it is every hour, day, or week - but for the solid 3 or 4 hours i played around with my desktop via my touch pro today, the IP stayed the same.
really, all i wanted to do was wake on my PVR via the magical buzz from the lan - which causes my comp to either boot into mythbuntu or vista configed to load up sagetv, siggraph, and a firewirestb controller automatically. sagetv works beautifully like this - not only can i placeshift and watch the tube (i have sling too, but it doesn't allow for pvr) but i can have my pvr(computer) turned off and be like "oh crap, i forgot to turn on the pvr to record the penn state game... no problem, i'll just log in remotely, which will wake on lan, and then go right into sagetv and start recording...
i mean, the possibilities are endless with this - i love it. at work and need to pull a large file off your computer? no problem, you have your desktop in the palm of your hand. the other cool part about wm6.1 rdp is that it can map your phone as a drive, making file transfers flawless and as fast as your storage card can take them, essentially.
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For dynamic IPs you should try DynDNS. Its a free service that allows you to point a url at your IP, comes with a nifty little service to update the url IP mapping automatically. Works great, but I had to setup port forwarding fro RDP since my compy is behind a wifi router. I am able to access my compy remotely with great ease. and looks beautiful on the 640x480 screen!

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Are you using WM6RDP.cab? If you are, have you figured out a way to zoom in to areas of the desktop?

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good look on that program, will make things much easier for me! esp if verizon decies to switch the ip on me when i can't be near the comp to figure it out...
this is the wm6.1 rom, i think the zoom function was stripped from it - at least that is what i read. although, i believe that the 6.0 version still has zoom enabled, but i am not 100 percent positive about that... honestly, the vga screen makes it really nice to look at and i didn't have too much of a problem reading anything - but zoom would be a welcome feature.
give the 6.0 version out and if it does have zoom enabled and the speed is up there with this version let me know, cause i would like to have as many features for this as possible... doesn't make much sense to remove a zooming option to me :/

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I just installed zaDesktop and it's perfect! I can choose what size I want the session to be, then it will have scroll bars. I can also zoom in and out while in the session and exit full screen mode easily.

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coolguy949 said:
I just installed zaDesktop and it's perfect! I can choose what size I want the session to be, then it will have scroll bars. I can also zoom in and out while in the session and exit full screen mode easily.
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Wow that's a much better RDC client!! Thanks

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where can i get that app?

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t0mmyr said:
where can i get that app?
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http://www.zatelnet.com/zadesktop/main.php

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wow, this is like skyfire, but a whole streaming computer!!!

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coolguy949 said:
http://www.zatelnet.com/zadesktop/main.php
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i meant the one in the video, is that zadesktop or microsoft remote desktop?

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Im a complete noob to this remote desktop thing. How do you set it up?

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is there anything u need to setup on the computer before it will connect? i have my computer (vista 64bit ultimate) accepting all remote desktop connections... but when i try to connect using zdesktop thru my ip (and even when i use my DNS IP redirect!) i get an error message saying "An error message cannot be displayed because an optional resource assembly containing it cannot be found" any ideas?

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Another option is LogMeIn:
https://secure.logmein.com/home.asp
I have been using this on my HTC Mogul, my laptop (Vista Home Premium), and my desktop (Vista Home Premium). It's especially handy when I need to restart Orb on my home desktop PC while at work
By the way - I seem to remember MS Remote Desktop not working on certain versions of Vista.

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does logmein cost money? all i saw was a 1 month trial and u have to pay a subscription for each computer... =/

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zaDesktop works, but the seperate mouse control is extremely annoying. There has to be someone who can hack the standard remote desktop client and extend the screen size to 1024x768 or better. One of our developers here did a similar thing to the desktop version when it didn't support resolutions above 1600x1200. They just hacked the binary directly searching for that resolution in binary and substituting a higher resolution. Worked like a charm.

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yeah the one in my video is the wm6.1 rdp...
when i get the chance i will explain how to set this up - and if anyone beats me to the chance of explaining it on rdp then that's fine too lol busy busy