Dear community,
I humbly express my opinion that except few ROMS on this page (Energy, RRE & Shep's) the rest are basically garbage..
Stop wasting your time and if you have programming skills (I don't), try to port Android on Raphael. I mean Please Focus on something everybody can use. Windows is going nowhere.. and Android is here with big promises.
I believe Raphael is too much of a device for a crippled OS like Windows. I am sure there are millions of people would think the same way.
WinMo:
Still 65K colors, buggy like Bill Gates, sweaty like Steve Balmer.. Touch Pro is one of the coolest devices one can own, but with an ugly ass OS, it becomes completely useless. WinMo has completed it's lifecycle.. 6.5 has no major pluses over 6.1 even 5.0.. The MS mentality for programming needs a communist revolution.
I will try to stick around.. I am sure there will be a huge success if skilled developers focus on porting Android on HTC devices and will make our devices more useful..
Thank you all, especially the aforementioned chéfs.
I don't want Android OS on my Raphael. 65k is enough, I don't have any bugs (using latest official HTC ROM), I have tons of great, useful applications for WM and I do think that WM is the most powerful platform of all. iPhone and Symbian possibilities are ridicioulus comparing with WinMo, and Android is still new...
wow dude, shut up.
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wow dude, shut up.
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Me or him?
Even though I like android (had it on my kaiser), I still prefer windows mobile. Its just so customizable. But the more choices we have the better, so I say if we can then lets do it.
But to say only the 3 listed roms are good is a little narrow-minded and disrespectful. I have tried a lot of roms and I believe they are very good in their own ways. Like the Mystic Roms were a favorite before, for great aesthetics and battery life. Or the Louzeberry, very original... and thats just those two.
Hope you understand that not everyone has one taste in roms that's why we have so many, and all the chef's deserve a little praise for their hard work.
I'd like to see android on fuze/touch pro, if for nothing other than more freedom of choice and general competition.
More competition makes for better innovation.
You know, i'm quite tempted to make a "madlib" from your post, changing around a few nouns here and there would make it alot more accurate
But i'll refrain from that and just laugh at you for making such an audacious demand under the guise of an 'opinion'
You really want this? Start learning. I'm more than happy to help you learn what you need to accomplish this. Demanding we all spend our time how YOU want, that's not getting you anywhere
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Me or him?
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I believe its to the author of this thread, for the rudeness toward the small chefs.
Go ahead and get started on it KoolTurk. WinMo Chefs have their preferences and so do you. What is holding you back?
KoolTurk said:
Dear community,
I humbly express my opinion that except few ROMS on this page (Energy, RRE & Shep's) the rest are basically garbage..
Stop wasting your time and if you have programming skills (I don't), try to port Android on Raphael. I mean Please Focus on something everybody can use. Windows is going nowhere.. and Android is here with big promises.
I believe Raphael is too much of a device for a crippled OS like Windows. I am sure there are millions of people would think the same way.
WinMo:
Still 65K colors, buggy like Bill Gates, sweaty like Steve Balmer.. Touch Pro is one of the coolest devices one can own, but with an ugly ass OS, it becomes completely useless. WinMo has completed it's lifecycle.. 6.5 has no major pluses over 6.1 even 5.0.. The MS mentality for programming needs a communist revolution.
I will try to stick around.. I am sure there will be a huge success if skilled developers focus on porting Android on HTC devices and will make our devices more useful..
Thank you all, especially the aforementioned chéfs.
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Wow, this seems terribly rude.... if that is your OPINION why not keep it to yourself. Use what you want to off of the forum and don't use the rest...
That is quite a statement coming from someone wih 3 posts . Have you actually tried all of the ROMs here? Or did you start a new account just to come in and rattle cages? Good luck with your project, I'm sure we'll all be tryin it out once you get it ported smart guy
Demanding something like this with 3 post and no history on xda what so ever...dude you got some balls lol, and about android, it already been workt on by various dev groups, so just sit tight and stfu.
Regards
rafyvitto
Oh hey, look at that: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
Your opinion is obviously very ignorant. Go take some computer science classes and come back when you know what you're talking about.
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I believe its to the author of this thread, for the rudeness toward the small chefs.
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small chefs such as da_g
g2tl said:
small chefs such as da_g
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I knew that statement would come back and bite me in the ass (sorry Da_G and others), just thought everyone read it and it was to late to change
I had a mental block, and couldn't remember any chefs' names.
So I apologize to all you LARGE Chefs
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Dear community,
I'm an idiot and should never post again.
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Cool story bro
KoolTurk said:
the rest are basically garbage..
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This post is garbage. To come on here and talk trash about other peoples hard work, whether you prefer that work or not, is just asinine. You dont like what these guys have to offer? DONT COME HERE!
One more thing:
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I will try to stick around..
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PLEASE dont!
Da_G said:
You know, i'm quite tempted to make a "madlib" from your post, changing around a few nouns here and there would make it alot more accurate
But i'll refrain from that and just laugh at you for making such an audacious demand under the guise of an 'opinion'
You really want this? Start learning. I'm more than happy to help you learn what you need to accomplish this. Demanding we all spend our time how YOU want, that's not getting you anywhere
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I agree, this guy sounds like a total douche bag and deserves nothing. How's that for a Christmas gift? The people on these forums are doing everyone a favor by creating these ROMs... these ROMS are free and are created on people's spare time, show some f-ing respect.
-1^100 for not doing a more research and dissing the great work done here in the Raphael ROM Forum.
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I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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Hi Bardok, I'm not very happy you wanted me to be shot, I made a couple of roms an as far as I can remember I didn't get any feedback from you.
So if you have guts try my rom or leave the forum and go playing with your Iphone.
Hope you make the right choice.
Regards and have fun.
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Hi Bardok, I'm not very happy you wanted me to be shot, I made a couple of roms an as far as I can remember I didn't get any feedback from you.
So if you have guts try my rom or leave the forum and go playing with your Iphone.
Hope you make the right choice.
Regards and have fun.
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lol how cheeky are some people!! 5 posts since joining in 2009 and the nerve to start demanding people be shot.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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I think i found your dummy over by the door.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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Total disagree.... Ive not seen any roms make by you..instead of running off make one and see if you can do better..
Ive tryed and its hard but with the help of this forum im getting there...
i have the up most respect to all the cookers out there weather its for the touch dual or the g1 (G1 died but the touch dual is better)
To take time out of there lifes to make my phone a little bit better Thank you all.
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Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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For update your iphone, you need to paid.
Here, they are old phone running first in winmo5 and now in winmo6.5.3 (why not in winmo7) And all for "FREE" (donation is better)
Thanks For ALL XDA Dev
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Yeah, me 2! But isn't that what it's all about here? If we wanted just a phone to, well, make phone calls and stuff like that we would probably all be better off using some stock phone.
Most people here develop/flash/test/play for fun, because they are bored and because they can, after all the forums name has a 'developer' in it, not a 'user'. So if you expected some kind of 24/7 tech support here, well that is the wrong forum here, sorry. This also isn't supposed as a free 'make my phone flashy, shiny and new' service. Sure it's fun to check out some new stuff on your old touch dual, but to be honest, if you expect a release from one of our (very able) cooks, where everything works at first shot, well, the guys at htc are not that good either. If you dislike winmo, go buy yourself another toy, but don't waste everyones time here flaming around.
Bye bye
I don't think he isn't that wrong at all. A ROM needs to work, period.
It's the core of you device where all your other stuff runs on. Most of us use our device trough the day, not just in emulators.
Its very important that it works before you roll it out to the public. If you want beta testers, then say so and don't just drop it on the users and leave.
People will not come back! And a lot of new users don't know what the forum is about. but they are WM users.
@ mblaster: I am here too, I am not bored at all.
Sure the forums says 'Developers' and not 'Tinker-bells', but most of the developers here are 'Real Pro's', they develop for the real world, not just to tinker of boredom. They have an plan, and make great thing that works. You will find there stuff on new released devices all over, including the iPhone!
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I say this again, a ROM is the core of your device where other software runs in/on.
Its not an piece of software like an games you just install.
ROM development is a lot of work, its not just switching some graphics and putting in some already-applications an not care about the rest. It is an art and an profession, and real cook is an master of devices
I think what Bardof means is that the quality-of-service needs to go up again, not the volume of ROM's, even on the new devices.
An ROM that doesn't work right, gives a bad taste to the Windows Mobile platform. We all know the effects..
I love this forum and WM, I have been in and out sinds the release of the MDA, it think needs to grow in quality, not shrink.
Where is the poll option "Complete Disagree!" ???
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I don't think he isn't that wrong at all. A ROM needs to work, period.
It's the core of you device where all your other stuff runs on. Most of us use our device trough the day, not just in emulators.
Its very important that it works before you roll it out to the public. If you want beta testers, then say so and don't just drop it on the users and leave.
People will not come back! And a lot of new users don't know what the forum is about. but they are WM users.
@ mblaster: I am here too, I am not bored at all.
Sure the forums says 'Developers' and not 'Tinker-bells', but most of the developers here are 'Real Pro's', they develop for the real world, not just to tinker of boredom. They have an plan, and make great thing that works. You will find there stuff on new released devices all over, including the iPhone!
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I say this again, a ROM is the core of your device where other software runs in/on.
Its not an piece of software like an games you just install.
ROM development is a lot of work, its not just switching some graphics and putting in some already-applications an not care about the rest. It is an art and an profession, and real cook is an master of devices
I think what Bardof means is that the quality-of-service needs to go up again, not the volume of ROM's, even on the new devices.
An ROM that doesn't work right, gives a bad taste to the Windows Mobile platform. We all know the effects..
I love this forum and WM, I have been in and out sinds the release of the MDA, it think needs to grow in quality, not shrink.
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I agree with the most of what you are saying. I haven't been replying on most of the posts on this forum but I've been reading a lot and testing a lot of ROMS, and it's a shame that only few of them work OK. Always need to install this and that CAB to get your phone working.
But....I know that cooking a ROM isn't that easy and it can take a lot of work and many of the good cookers don't get the respect they should, or help.
Recently we have seen HD2 Android developers discontinue their builds LOL! Interesting to note that all are going to school? Its unfortunate that the Cooking on HD2 Android is kept much of a secret...what I suggest is if they are discontinuing then they should share their Cooking knowledge. Of course most of the pple aren't farmilia with Linux stuff lol! however I am sure that with a good tutorial and the tools you are using, pple will be good to go.
Not to hide words, I am calling out to Pongster, Shui8 and Darkstone to now share their knowledge for the good of the community.
Thank You.
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Recently we have seen HD2 Android developers discontinue their builds LOL! Interesting to note that all are going to school? Its unfortunate that the Cooking on HD2 Android is kept much of a secret...what I suggest is if they are discontinuing then they should share their Cooking knowledge. Of course most of the pple aren't farmilia with Linux stuff lol! however I am sure that with a good tutorial and the tools you are using, pple will be good to go.
Not to hide words, I am calling out to Pongster, Shui8 and Darkstone to now share their knowledge for the good of the community.
Thank You.
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I Agree
nothings hidden.. check htc-linux, freenode
I see what your getting at but I dont think its fair to say that anyone is "hiding" anything.......
All the information you need is out there but the problem is that doing something like this is realy quite difficult if you dont already have a good amount of knowledge on the subject.
Its one thing to learn from a tutorial but for something like this you would really need to start from scratch and the learning curve for a beginner taking on such a project would be very very steep.
You are right though, if more people took up these sort of projects then the world would be a better place
I just wish I had the time / mental capacity to do it myself.
Yeah, I see what you are saying. I guess one just has to step up to the game. Create the mental capacity and take the plunge into the deep. I guess the learning starts again then, but I just wish these guys put up something for the taking rather than just dropping off projects and run....
After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
I'm going to leave this open for the time being with the understanding that the thread may be closed by the designated Moderator for this forum the moment the thread goes off-topic.
I'm about as "true developer" as you can get. I've written software in machine language and entered it in hex with a 16-key pad. I've written embedded systems. I've written software that was good enough that MS bought the company. I've written drivers. I've run dev shops with 400 employees. I have systems in production that process more than $150 billion worth of annual global transactions. There isn't a lot in the software world that I haven't tried my hand at.
And *I* don't have the time to screw around with building something like Nero v3. But I flashed it the other day and it rocked the tits off my previously-stock-Eclair phone, and I was pretty satisfied with the whole thing, and it never once occurred to me to wonder whether the TW guys were "real" developers or not.
In short: who cares? I willing to bet I can lay claim to the title "developer" on par with the hardest of the hardcore coders here, and I'm here to tell you if it bothers you that they're calling themselves developers because you suspect they may not size up to your standards, you should probably just move along -- or keep it to yourself.
Maybe a swift kick in the balls would've been kinder.....a little over the line I think. I really don't care who it is, but anyone who takes the time to change framwork or "reskin" a ROM has done more than my fat little fingers can do. They may not all be as great as Team Whiskey or Eugene, but they still develop something, so in short, sure they are all developers. As long as someone gives credit where due, and asked permission where necessary, then the laws of the universe are still being followed......
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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I think it is a fair enough question to post... but I ask you, what is it that you hope to answer or establish? Guidelines to correct nomenclature? E-peen? I just don't quite get the nature of your interrogatory...
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I'm going to leave this open for the time being with the understanding that the thread may be closed by the designated Moderator for this forum the moment the thread goes off-topic.
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Kudos to you... that is exactly why a functioning MOD committee is a great thing for XDA. I applaud your commitment to open discourse.
MV10 said:
I'm about as "true developer" as you can get. I've written software in machine language and entered it in hex with a 16-key pad. I've written embedded systems. I've written software that was good enough that MS bought the company. I've written drivers. I've run dev shops with 400 employees. I have systems in production that process more than $150 billion worth of annual global transactions. There isn't a lot in the software world that I haven't tried my hand at.
And *I* don't have the time to screw around with building something like Nero v3. But I flashed it the other day and it rocked the tits off my previously-stock-Eclair phone, and I was pretty satisfied with the whole thing, and it never once occurred to me to wonder whether the TW guys were "real" developers or not.
In short: who cares? I willing to bet I can lay claim to the title "developer" on par with the hardest of the hardcore coders here, and I'm here to tell you if it bothers you that they're calling themselves developers because you suspect they may not size up to your standards, you should probably just move along -- or keep it to yourself.
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Listing your credentials may (and I stress may) have been a bit over the top... but point well taken nonetheless.
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Maybe a swift kick in the balls would've been kinder.....a little over the line I think. I really don't care who it is, but anyone who takes the time to change framwork or "reskin" a ROM has done more than my fat little fingers can do. They may not all be as great as Team Whiskey or Eugene, but they still develop something, so in short, sure they are all developers. As long as someone gives credit where due, and asked permission where necessary, then the laws of the universe are still being followed......
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Also very fair point...
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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Soo, you call two set of dev teams just skinners.. and one team coders, yet expect not to start a flame war?
I also don't know how you get "many of master's axura roms" there is only ONE axura rom.. And if you look at features, you could tell that it is not just a "Skin" you could also tell that in the change-logs if you looked past "Just framework mods" framework mods aren't just images btw.
If you honestly don't want to start a flame war, it is best not to post these types of threads.
I've considered this question myself and the answer I've come up with is, I don't care.
Whether they're truly writing new code or just reskinning or theming it's still more than I can do. They do it in their spare time and offer their work to us for free. So I guess my question to you is, what difference does it make?
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Listing your credentials may (and I stress may) have been a bit over the top... but point well taken nonetheless.
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I have a pretty strong suspicion that the OP is a developer and is trying to pull the "harder-core than thou" card, so it seemed appropriate at the time.
There is ALWAYS somebody better than you. If you're smart, you'll call those people "employees."
I agree with that I don't really care, as long as who ever it may be, don't start releasing garbage that bricks my phone, I'm content.
I don't run an empire of $888.000.656.99...gabillion dollars with 2 interlaced brains that can code the matrix's live wallpaper, but in my little, I'm able to flash a ROM or 2.
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After searching through the changelogs of many of Team Whiskey's and Master's Axura roms, I have noticed that many of the changelog features are framework changes and new skins on the stock rom. That being said, I am not flaming anyone as I do appreciate their work but are many devs for the Vibrant skinners or true coders such as Barack, Eugene, etc?
Again, THIS IS NOT A POST TO START FLAMING PEOPLE!
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When you write something remotely as good as Axura or V3 then you can make these statements.
Until then you're just being an ignorant troll.
The op is a flame in itself, why is it still up?
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The op is a flame in itself, why is it still up?
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^^Have to agree personally.
Anyway, anyone who develops something is a developer (dur). This means themes, mods, guides, roms, etc.
As for the ignorant comment the OP made about changelogs, most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
Yes some roms available on any phone's forum are more build around aesthetic changes, while others are geared towards efficiency, while others for raw power. That doesn't make one superior to another, but rather simply built for a different consumer.
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^^Have to agree personally.
Anyway, anyone who develops something is a developer (dur). This means themes, mods, guides, roms, etc.
As for the ignorant comment the OP made about changelogs, most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
Yes some roms available on any phone's forum are more build around aesthetic changes, while others are geared towards efficiency, while others for raw power. That doesn't make one superior to another, but rather simply built for a different consumer.
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i just made a do-do in the toilet, am i a developer?
jk lol
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most "devs" don't take the time to list off every detail of the performance enhancements they made. Why? Because you wouldn't know what they're talking about if they did, and there's too many to list. If you're one of the few that could actually read and understand such a changelog, then you probably could be/are making your own roms anyway.
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I have to agree with this. I remember on Obsidian V5 Sombionix listed in the change log in great detail what he changed including userscripts and kernel tweaks only to be bombarded with questions about what they meant/do. A lot of the users don't understand the technical aspects and just want something "cool." Devs already get blasted with a barrage of questions and really don't need to add more fuel to the fire so to speak. It seems the OP more or less called TW and Master "skinners." The above says otherwise regarding TW and as for Master just look at the layout of his latest "beast" not to mention the Sense port he got booting on our phones. I would definitely call this development, wouldn't you agree?
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i just made a do-do in the toilet, am i a developer?
jk lol
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I know you were only making a joke, but basically (using it as an anology of course) yes. Is a kid that picks up an instrument for the first time a musician? Yes. Is he good or does anyone care that he's a musician? Probably not (other than his parents). Should he share his work with the world? Again, only his parents should hear it.
The point isn't "are you or aren't you a developer" it's simply a mater of what we percieve as different levels in skill. This doesn't even mean that our perception is accurate, but we're entitled to our opinions. And if you think a developer should have kept his work to himself or herself, then don't download it, and all is right in the world.
So yes, if you develop crap, you're still a developer, just maybe shouldn't share your product with the world
Zip Developer, Cyanogen and his Merry men or somebody dropping pure source I can careless. They contribute more than half the downloaders and requesters wanting more.
I say let them do their Jobs and be greatful they are here. Use somebody elses work and give them credit as long as its an option. I like options
Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
Black.Heart said:
First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
Desert Storm said:
I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
hoosbude said:
The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
mahra said:
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
joefrank said:
our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
Black.Heart said:
I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
joefrank said:
AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
Black.Heart said:
I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
stirkac said:
actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...
What is the likely hood of a kitchen being made for the GTab? Is it possible that there might be one some day? I would like to start cooking my own ROMs but Im not savy enough to try with out a kitchen.
Check this out. I was pretty impressed with it.
http://android.modaco.com/content/advent-vega-vega-modaco-com/331467/09-feb-r8-modaco-custom-rom-for-the-advent-vega-with-online-kitchen/
That would be very interesting indeed !
Im surprised you're the only one who comented on this post Fiction. I thought this guys online kitchen was pretty amazing. No one else thinks this is good work? Maybe you didnt look at his second post on the page......
Meh... kitchen = hundreds of roms that look, act, feel the same. Its like slapping a coat of paint on the statue of David and claiming it as your creation. Might as well just take one of the roms from the devs here and edit the tag line that names the rom to something you pick.
VEGAn beta 5.1.1 is now Krypikronix ROMulonix [email protected]∅n rc15
TnT Lite 4.3 is now InsanoFlex's JiggleJaM MeatSeat v6⅜ with Pudding Cup Elements.
Tech hipsters playing with toys and claiming dev = weak
My first post might be considered aggressive. I just remember when it was hard to find unique and well developed roms because everybody was using these and posting them everywhere burying the roms that were actually developed. These are fun for personal use not for deving roms.
Just one mans opinion.
Thats ok Mantara, I understand what you are saying. But when it comes to style....we all know that companies never let developers design the product. They produce a product created by an idea of a designer. And when they all get together it creates a "team". All I'm saying is if we work as a "team", we could build better ROMs. I came from another comunity that encouraged people to design and make their own ROMs, thats why its kind of hard to understand your frustrations.
P.S. Im not saying developers cant design either.
Modding my MT3G, G1 and Droid left a sour taste in my mouth because of the overuse of tools like that. Anyone that could opperate a repackager sold themselves as a devs and posted other peoples roms with other peoples themes, Widgets and pirated apps.
Sorry, I didn't realize that animosity was still there after all this time. lol! It stems from wanting peoples hard work to be recognized.
But yes, If we came rogether as a group and got devs to supply their work to a kitchen and maybe app and widget makers to give the ok for their work to be added to a community project I am all about. I see the benefits of something like this.