Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
mahra said:
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...
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Dear community,
I humbly express my opinion that except few ROMS on this page (Energy, RRE & Shep's) the rest are basically garbage..
Stop wasting your time and if you have programming skills (I don't), try to port Android on Raphael. I mean Please Focus on something everybody can use. Windows is going nowhere.. and Android is here with big promises.
I believe Raphael is too much of a device for a crippled OS like Windows. I am sure there are millions of people would think the same way.
WinMo:
Still 65K colors, buggy like Bill Gates, sweaty like Steve Balmer.. Touch Pro is one of the coolest devices one can own, but with an ugly ass OS, it becomes completely useless. WinMo has completed it's lifecycle.. 6.5 has no major pluses over 6.1 even 5.0.. The MS mentality for programming needs a communist revolution.
I will try to stick around.. I am sure there will be a huge success if skilled developers focus on porting Android on HTC devices and will make our devices more useful..
Thank you all, especially the aforementioned chéfs.
I don't want Android OS on my Raphael. 65k is enough, I don't have any bugs (using latest official HTC ROM), I have tons of great, useful applications for WM and I do think that WM is the most powerful platform of all. iPhone and Symbian possibilities are ridicioulus comparing with WinMo, and Android is still new...
wow dude, shut up.
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wow dude, shut up.
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Me or him?
Even though I like android (had it on my kaiser), I still prefer windows mobile. Its just so customizable. But the more choices we have the better, so I say if we can then lets do it.
But to say only the 3 listed roms are good is a little narrow-minded and disrespectful. I have tried a lot of roms and I believe they are very good in their own ways. Like the Mystic Roms were a favorite before, for great aesthetics and battery life. Or the Louzeberry, very original... and thats just those two.
Hope you understand that not everyone has one taste in roms that's why we have so many, and all the chef's deserve a little praise for their hard work.
I'd like to see android on fuze/touch pro, if for nothing other than more freedom of choice and general competition.
More competition makes for better innovation.
You know, i'm quite tempted to make a "madlib" from your post, changing around a few nouns here and there would make it alot more accurate
But i'll refrain from that and just laugh at you for making such an audacious demand under the guise of an 'opinion'
You really want this? Start learning. I'm more than happy to help you learn what you need to accomplish this. Demanding we all spend our time how YOU want, that's not getting you anywhere
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Me or him?
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I believe its to the author of this thread, for the rudeness toward the small chefs.
Go ahead and get started on it KoolTurk. WinMo Chefs have their preferences and so do you. What is holding you back?
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Dear community,
I humbly express my opinion that except few ROMS on this page (Energy, RRE & Shep's) the rest are basically garbage..
Stop wasting your time and if you have programming skills (I don't), try to port Android on Raphael. I mean Please Focus on something everybody can use. Windows is going nowhere.. and Android is here with big promises.
I believe Raphael is too much of a device for a crippled OS like Windows. I am sure there are millions of people would think the same way.
WinMo:
Still 65K colors, buggy like Bill Gates, sweaty like Steve Balmer.. Touch Pro is one of the coolest devices one can own, but with an ugly ass OS, it becomes completely useless. WinMo has completed it's lifecycle.. 6.5 has no major pluses over 6.1 even 5.0.. The MS mentality for programming needs a communist revolution.
I will try to stick around.. I am sure there will be a huge success if skilled developers focus on porting Android on HTC devices and will make our devices more useful..
Thank you all, especially the aforementioned chéfs.
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Wow, this seems terribly rude.... if that is your OPINION why not keep it to yourself. Use what you want to off of the forum and don't use the rest...
That is quite a statement coming from someone wih 3 posts . Have you actually tried all of the ROMs here? Or did you start a new account just to come in and rattle cages? Good luck with your project, I'm sure we'll all be tryin it out once you get it ported smart guy
Demanding something like this with 3 post and no history on xda what so ever...dude you got some balls lol, and about android, it already been workt on by various dev groups, so just sit tight and stfu.
Regards
rafyvitto
Oh hey, look at that: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
Your opinion is obviously very ignorant. Go take some computer science classes and come back when you know what you're talking about.
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I believe its to the author of this thread, for the rudeness toward the small chefs.
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small chefs such as da_g
g2tl said:
small chefs such as da_g
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I knew that statement would come back and bite me in the ass (sorry Da_G and others), just thought everyone read it and it was to late to change
I had a mental block, and couldn't remember any chefs' names.
So I apologize to all you LARGE Chefs
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Dear community,
I'm an idiot and should never post again.
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Cool story bro
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the rest are basically garbage..
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This post is garbage. To come on here and talk trash about other peoples hard work, whether you prefer that work or not, is just asinine. You dont like what these guys have to offer? DONT COME HERE!
One more thing:
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I will try to stick around..
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PLEASE dont!
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You know, i'm quite tempted to make a "madlib" from your post, changing around a few nouns here and there would make it alot more accurate
But i'll refrain from that and just laugh at you for making such an audacious demand under the guise of an 'opinion'
You really want this? Start learning. I'm more than happy to help you learn what you need to accomplish this. Demanding we all spend our time how YOU want, that's not getting you anywhere
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I agree, this guy sounds like a total douche bag and deserves nothing. How's that for a Christmas gift? The people on these forums are doing everyone a favor by creating these ROMs... these ROMS are free and are created on people's spare time, show some f-ing respect.
-1^100 for not doing a more research and dissing the great work done here in the Raphael ROM Forum.
Let's put together a bounty to encourage the best and the brightest to work on a fully-functional port of Android for our HTC Raphaels, and reward them for their efforts. Considering the similarities in hardware between the Raphael and G1 (same processor, wifi chipset, etc), it should not be too difficult for a few talented developers to get this port done. Many of us have been begging for Android on our phones for months, so let's put our money where our mouths are.
If there is enough support for this idea on this forum, we'll figure out a legitimate way to collect the bounty and make sure it will be awarded to the right person(s) when the proper criteria are met. Please chime in if you think this idea will work and are willing to contribute.
Do u really think this would work?
I have no problem to pay for fully ported android
I don't know if this would work but I give 50€ for a full ported android OS. I know that alot of people already work on that but if we could give them a little something to speedup the process. then why not
There is aready one but not fully ported.
http://connect-utb.com/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=58&task=viewcategory&catid=4
scope008 said:
Considering the similarities in hardware between the Raphael and G1 (same processor, wifi chipset, etc), it should not be too difficult for a few talented developers to get this port done. Many of us have been begging for Android on our phones for months, so let's put our money where our mouths are.
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Well, as some are aware, an Android port has been worked on for the Raphael for a while now, but it seems to be that despite the similar hardware, porting simply isn't easy (link by Crazy). I would think that we would need to give it a bit more credit than this and that a port is not simple simply because of similar hardware.
Lets face it: Has any phone ever had an alternative OS successfully ported? I've certainly never heard of any.
Secondly, if you're looking for an idea on how to collect a bounty, there are a few threads that seemed to have done it already. Here is one I recently went into: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=499076
Sh** I would Pay even up to $100 If the Hero ROM is Ported and Has most to all Function or atleast connectivity for GSM at least..... im using the U connect version, its cool and all but it cant really do much but look goood, not even calls.... so if this is possible, please someone try this heero thing... it would save me the money of buying one..... so its worth a try tho
Wait for wmware to release virtualization for WM. It should be out soon and will support any phone os.
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Wait for wmware to release virtualization for WM. It should be out soon and will support any phone os.
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Wait whats that?
I mean like is there like a better hero port, than the one that was posted? cuz i already have it and it works, just not that well
People are already working hard on the port of android to WM hardware.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002
That is one huge post here where people are working to get it on Diamond and Raphael hardware. Go check out the stuff there.
The android OS is already functional. What we need are linux drivers. If we get linux drivers we'll have our Android.
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The android OS is already functional. What we need are linux drivers. If we get linux drivers we'll have our Android.
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Best way to put it!
Dont need drivers with wmware.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/02/27/vmware-demos-multiple-virtual-mobile-operatings-systems/
bounty sounds like bribe
bounty sounds like bribe, IMHO
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bounty sounds like bribe, IMHO
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Well thats basically what it is
scope008 said:
Let's put together a bounty to encourage the best and the brightest to work on a fully-functional port of Android for our HTC Raphaels, and reward them for their efforts. Considering the similarities in hardware between the Raphael and G1 (same processor, wifi chipset, etc), it should not be too difficult for a few talented developers to get this port done. Many of us have been begging for Android on our phones for months, so let's put our money where our mouths are.
If there is enough support for this idea on this forum, we'll figure out a legitimate way to collect the bounty and make sure it will be awarded to the right person(s) when the proper criteria are met. Please chime in if you think this idea will work and are willing to contribute.
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Just because the g1 and the touch pro have the same chipset, doesn't mean its a cubcake to port android to the touch pro, the drivers on the g1 are specifically for android, these wont work nativevly on the touch pro because they were meant for android not for the haret bootloader nor the htc msm 7xxx kernel, unless someone can reverse engineer them, to get them working on haret.
I have no problem paying for a fully ported version of Android for HTC Raphael.
Maybe it would be a good idea to send an email/petition to HTC to develop HTC Raphael / Diamond drivers for Android and sell it for say $50 or so...
I'm in. Give me 100% functionality (I mean, flashlight, camera, gps, bt, wifi, accelorameter, CHARGING, light sensor, backlight on keyboard, capacitive surface etc) and I'll put up $40
Oh.. also, I'd like to see the battery last longer than an hour or so.
its a nice idea but i wouldnt pay for a g1 port. already their are talks about the G2 which would then make this a port to an "older" phone. even a decent phone has its own problems [case in point-raphael rom development/software] I would rather port their better apps and call it a day
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I'm in. Give me 100% functionality (I mean, flashlight, camera, gps, bt, wifi, accelorameter, CHARGING, light sensor, backlight on keyboard, capacitive surface etc) and I'll put up $40
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Er, capacitive surface? If they're going to port Android to the Raphael, I would imagine that they would have to make it work for the Raphael's hardware, which utilizes a resistive touch screen, not capacitive.
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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Hi Bardok, I'm not very happy you wanted me to be shot, I made a couple of roms an as far as I can remember I didn't get any feedback from you.
So if you have guts try my rom or leave the forum and go playing with your Iphone.
Hope you make the right choice.
Regards and have fun.
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Hi Bardok, I'm not very happy you wanted me to be shot, I made a couple of roms an as far as I can remember I didn't get any feedback from you.
So if you have guts try my rom or leave the forum and go playing with your Iphone.
Hope you make the right choice.
Regards and have fun.
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lol how cheeky are some people!! 5 posts since joining in 2009 and the nerve to start demanding people be shot.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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I think i found your dummy over by the door.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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Total disagree.... Ive not seen any roms make by you..instead of running off make one and see if you can do better..
Ive tryed and its hard but with the help of this forum im getting there...
i have the up most respect to all the cookers out there weather its for the touch dual or the g1 (G1 died but the touch dual is better)
To take time out of there lifes to make my phone a little bit better Thank you all.
A
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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For update your iphone, you need to paid.
Here, they are old phone running first in winmo5 and now in winmo6.5.3 (why not in winmo7) And all for "FREE" (donation is better)
Thanks For ALL XDA Dev
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Yeah, me 2! But isn't that what it's all about here? If we wanted just a phone to, well, make phone calls and stuff like that we would probably all be better off using some stock phone.
Most people here develop/flash/test/play for fun, because they are bored and because they can, after all the forums name has a 'developer' in it, not a 'user'. So if you expected some kind of 24/7 tech support here, well that is the wrong forum here, sorry. This also isn't supposed as a free 'make my phone flashy, shiny and new' service. Sure it's fun to check out some new stuff on your old touch dual, but to be honest, if you expect a release from one of our (very able) cooks, where everything works at first shot, well, the guys at htc are not that good either. If you dislike winmo, go buy yourself another toy, but don't waste everyones time here flaming around.
Bye bye
I don't think he isn't that wrong at all. A ROM needs to work, period.
It's the core of you device where all your other stuff runs on. Most of us use our device trough the day, not just in emulators.
Its very important that it works before you roll it out to the public. If you want beta testers, then say so and don't just drop it on the users and leave.
People will not come back! And a lot of new users don't know what the forum is about. but they are WM users.
@ mblaster: I am here too, I am not bored at all.
Sure the forums says 'Developers' and not 'Tinker-bells', but most of the developers here are 'Real Pro's', they develop for the real world, not just to tinker of boredom. They have an plan, and make great thing that works. You will find there stuff on new released devices all over, including the iPhone!
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I say this again, a ROM is the core of your device where other software runs in/on.
Its not an piece of software like an games you just install.
ROM development is a lot of work, its not just switching some graphics and putting in some already-applications an not care about the rest. It is an art and an profession, and real cook is an master of devices
I think what Bardof means is that the quality-of-service needs to go up again, not the volume of ROM's, even on the new devices.
An ROM that doesn't work right, gives a bad taste to the Windows Mobile platform. We all know the effects..
I love this forum and WM, I have been in and out sinds the release of the MDA, it think needs to grow in quality, not shrink.
Where is the poll option "Complete Disagree!" ???
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I don't think he isn't that wrong at all. A ROM needs to work, period.
It's the core of you device where all your other stuff runs on. Most of us use our device trough the day, not just in emulators.
Its very important that it works before you roll it out to the public. If you want beta testers, then say so and don't just drop it on the users and leave.
People will not come back! And a lot of new users don't know what the forum is about. but they are WM users.
@ mblaster: I am here too, I am not bored at all.
Sure the forums says 'Developers' and not 'Tinker-bells', but most of the developers here are 'Real Pro's', they develop for the real world, not just to tinker of boredom. They have an plan, and make great thing that works. You will find there stuff on new released devices all over, including the iPhone!
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I say this again, a ROM is the core of your device where other software runs in/on.
Its not an piece of software like an games you just install.
ROM development is a lot of work, its not just switching some graphics and putting in some already-applications an not care about the rest. It is an art and an profession, and real cook is an master of devices
I think what Bardof means is that the quality-of-service needs to go up again, not the volume of ROM's, even on the new devices.
An ROM that doesn't work right, gives a bad taste to the Windows Mobile platform. We all know the effects..
I love this forum and WM, I have been in and out sinds the release of the MDA, it think needs to grow in quality, not shrink.
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I agree with the most of what you are saying. I haven't been replying on most of the posts on this forum but I've been reading a lot and testing a lot of ROMS, and it's a shame that only few of them work OK. Always need to install this and that CAB to get your phone working.
But....I know that cooking a ROM isn't that easy and it can take a lot of work and many of the good cookers don't get the respect they should, or help.
Well, WP7 rom for HD2 has been around xda forum for a few days now, and we all know who we should send a "thank you" to. However, I've been questioning that why Cotulla and DFT are still keeping silent about this launch then?
If you could remember that Cotulla was the first dev. announced the good new about Nandroid on HD2, and he was also the first dev. to post a NANDROID rom for us (here).
So do you know why he hasn't said anything about this very big achievement then?
I think it's because of (possible) legal issues with Microsoft... Don't quote me on that though.
I'm wondering the same
Legal issues ? maybe ..
One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
jaidedfocus said:
One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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but people cook wm 6.5 in phone that have wm 6.5 in the first place
hd2 is wm6.5 phone, not wp 7
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
Or they are waiting for this huge forum makeover to post they rom in proper WP7 section
paciukiewicz said:
Or they are waiting for the this huge forum makeover to post they rom in proper WP7 section
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Yeah.you spot the light.
m2shakiba said:
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
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i hope you are right..
but i think the legal problem hurdle them to release here,,attorney from MS could be annoying..
it is possible that dft released wp7 in china and see what reaction of MS would be, and then step forword..
jaidedfocus said:
One of the big reasons is because he is not ready to release it. The Devs are still making changes to the Magldr and will be releasing an updated version at a later point with more bugs ironed out.
As far as legal issues, its the same thing it was with WinMo 6.5...people cooked ROMS and there was no legal issue behind it.
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m2shakiba said:
there is no legal restriction for announcing this
they are waiting for the right time to give a fully working wp7
this i just a warming up release
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Sorry but you guys are simply wrong.
It hasn't been directly released via XDA simply because xda is hosted on US servers, and XDA could be held liable if any posting or WP7 roms. M$ wants WP7 to be allot more locked down then the legacy version of OS.
It was released elsewhere because they are on Chinese servers.
I really do hope that we start getting dev going on on here and that custom roms are eventually released but from what ive been told its not likely atm. It will probably happen via 3rd parties willing to post like teh person who got permission to post the release here.
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
sathara said:
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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True. But you didnt buy the wp7 os. So micro$oft cant say anything to you about running andoid on your phone. But if you tried to run wp7 on the desire hd, they would be able to do something, because the os hasnt been liscensed to you to run on that phone. When someone purchases an hd7, they have permission to run wp7 on it, or anything else the may want without m$ stepping in. Its not like android which is open source, and free for all to meddle with.
sathara said:
eg:- we buy car . we change tires , paint , tuned engine etc
we buy htc hd2 . we change boot loader , phone pouch , tuned os etc
we bourght than its ours .
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Spot on! Exactly what i think!
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True. But you didnt buy the wp7 os. So micro$oft cant say anything to you about running andoid on your phone. But if you tried to run wp7 on the desire hd, they would be able to do something, because the os hasnt been liscensed to you to run on that phone. When someone purchases an hd7, they have permission to run wp7 on it, or anything else the may want without m$ stepping in. Its not like android which is open source, and free for all to meddle with.
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Don't use it!
It is your right to do whatever you want and not do a thing that you don't want to.
Why someone keeps poping these stupid threads.
There is a great conspiracy with the aliens and MS and Cotulla is hiding from them!
Guys dont get me wrong, I dont give a **** what M$ thinks and if I want it on my phone ill put it on my phone but..
Stop been naive about this, They own teh software and license it out via OEM, technically if they really want to do it they could sue anybody hosting the ROM or anybody supplying the rom, its as simple as that.
This is specifically why things have gone a bit quiet from XDA/DFT, well at least on here anyway.
You guys should just let it be and forget about it, we have our rom and thats all that matters.
All copyright/licensing restrictions are COMMERCIAL. All Commerce operates under Statute law. All statute law is not law at all but COLOR of law and only enforceable WITH YOUR CONSENT. Stop consenting.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news
If a webos port was made for your Galaxy SII, would you at try it out? Whats everyone's thoughts?
I don't know about others but I, for me will be excited and undoubtedly I'll want this on my GSII, it will be a pleasure.
Thanks for the link anyway.
Sure
Would be cool to try WebOS at SGS II =)
I think it doesn't have much chance against Android.
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I don't know about others but I, for me will be excited and undoubtedly I'll want this on my GSII, it will be a pleasure.
Thanks for the link anyway.
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Yeah definitely the same here! I'd love to be able to dualboot both OS' on my phone. Plus all the power the GSII is packing compared to that of the touchpad. It would be insane!
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I think it doesn't have much chance against Android.
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I see it not so much as a competition, but more as something that would compliment my phone. Primarily android, with webos on the side.
But I agree that it would be cool to try it nonetheless.
I would probably flash it out of curiosity but ultimately ill no doubt always stick with Android unless they do the unthinkable and become "closed" like IOS but i cant see that ever happening.
of course I want it in my phone. Also, could the devs port the code to android to make it faster/better/whatever?
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http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news
If a webos port was made for your Galaxy SII, would you at try it out? Whats everyone's thoughts?
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Didn't HTC or Samsung (can't remember who) get full licensing permissions on WebOS? lol well that's useful now.
If it was me, yes I definitely would! Like with the HD2, I tried WM 6.5, WP7 and Android, but ultimately had to go back to Android.
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What we have here is HP finding a cheap way to support it's WebOS devices.
I'd sure as hell try it out. The UI is fantastic and would probably fly on the SGS2. Probably would have to steal some drivers from Android but since they're both linux-based it shouldn't be too difficult.
Although I'm guessing most of the devs are involved with ics at the moment...
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Didn't HTC or Samsung (can't remember who) get full licensing permissions on WebOS? lol well that's useful now.
If it was me, yes I definitely would! Like with the HD2, I tried WM 6.5, WP7 and Android, but ultimately had to go back to Android.
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Hey Skellyyy, just out of curiosity, what made you stick with Android over WP7? I have not had any WP7 device yet, but it looks attracting.
I would LOVE this...i got a Pre on day one and loved WebOS...i would have stayed, but lack of solid hardware and an extremely small dev crew to get things going. if we could even get a WebOS launcher on top of android, that would be amazing!
i truly hope they get this going on our SGSII's.....i'd pay good cash for this!!
EDit - Any dev who decides to take this on, consider my SGSII a test device for you....
WebOS all the way!
For those who haven't tried it, here are some hints:
-butter smooth (when fresh)
-TRUE and exceptional multitasking
-great UI
The thing with HP is that they bought Palm for a hefty sum but never had any idea how to make it better. For now, they only got two WebOS devices that can not be called ancient: Pre3 and Veer- both fabulous phones ( Veer is quire popular among ladies, even @ Google HQ ). This is the bottle neck for their market. If they will get it running on other devices it will surely change the game more than WP7 did.
HP will nail it if they choose to go open source and get some devs involved, though this OS is maybe the best so far, it's still full of bugs and flaws, looks like a beta release.
... Another one. Is open sourcing now the dumping ground for dead projects?
came back from a party some minutes ago and read that webos is now open sorce on pocketnow.
it would really be great to be able to dualboot webos and android on the s2. hope somebody will do this and bring us this great os.
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WebOS all the way!
For those who haven't tried it, here are some hints:
-butter smooth (when fresh)
-TRUE and exceptional multitasking
-great UI
The thing with HP is that they bought Palm for a hefty sum but never had any idea how to make it better. For now, they only got two WebOS devices that can not be called ancient: Pre3 and Veer- both fabulous phones ( Veer is quire popular among ladies, even @ Google HQ ). This is the bottle neck for their market. If they will get it running on other devices it will surely change the game more than WP7 did.
HP will nail it if they choose to go open source and get some devs involved, though this OS is maybe the best so far, it's still full of bugs and flaws, looks like a beta release.
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i have a touchpad,laggy as hell,specially reading a pdf
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adem_7 said:
Hey Skellyyy, just out of curiosity, what made you stick with Android over WP7? I have not had any WP7 device yet, but it looks attracting.
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Hi, I don't really know tbh, android just felt like my home that I couldn't leave. Although I really want a WP7 device to give it another try. I feel like it could be good for me, everything I basically need and it just works. Without any distractions. Social integration is a major plus now too, I never really went on social networks when I tried it out, might get another cheap HD2 and have fun with it.
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