I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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Hi Bardok, I'm not very happy you wanted me to be shot, I made a couple of roms an as far as I can remember I didn't get any feedback from you.
So if you have guts try my rom or leave the forum and go playing with your Iphone.
Hope you make the right choice.
Regards and have fun.
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Hi Bardok, I'm not very happy you wanted me to be shot, I made a couple of roms an as far as I can remember I didn't get any feedback from you.
So if you have guts try my rom or leave the forum and go playing with your Iphone.
Hope you make the right choice.
Regards and have fun.
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lol how cheeky are some people!! 5 posts since joining in 2009 and the nerve to start demanding people be shot.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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I think i found your dummy over by the door.
Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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Total disagree.... Ive not seen any roms make by you..instead of running off make one and see if you can do better..
Ive tryed and its hard but with the help of this forum im getting there...
i have the up most respect to all the cookers out there weather its for the touch dual or the g1 (G1 died but the touch dual is better)
To take time out of there lifes to make my phone a little bit better Thank you all.
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Bardok said:
I have to say that the rest of the guy's on the Touch Dual board really suck.
All these wanabee rom cookers and beta tester abusers need to be shot.
DON'T POST UNTIL IT WORKS, OR SAY IT IS JUST AN BETA WHEN IT ISN'T!
RESPECT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD!! ALSO TESTERS!
Wasted a lot of time on these defective rom's.
monx® you suck for not supporting use here!
No wonder everybody deserts WinMo in favor of the iphone! I hope you developers choke in your abuse, you are the ones that kiled windows mobile.
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For update your iphone, you need to paid.
Here, they are old phone running first in winmo5 and now in winmo6.5.3 (why not in winmo7) And all for "FREE" (donation is better)
Thanks For ALL XDA Dev
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Yeah, me 2! But isn't that what it's all about here? If we wanted just a phone to, well, make phone calls and stuff like that we would probably all be better off using some stock phone.
Most people here develop/flash/test/play for fun, because they are bored and because they can, after all the forums name has a 'developer' in it, not a 'user'. So if you expected some kind of 24/7 tech support here, well that is the wrong forum here, sorry. This also isn't supposed as a free 'make my phone flashy, shiny and new' service. Sure it's fun to check out some new stuff on your old touch dual, but to be honest, if you expect a release from one of our (very able) cooks, where everything works at first shot, well, the guys at htc are not that good either. If you dislike winmo, go buy yourself another toy, but don't waste everyones time here flaming around.
Bye bye
I don't think he isn't that wrong at all. A ROM needs to work, period.
It's the core of you device where all your other stuff runs on. Most of us use our device trough the day, not just in emulators.
Its very important that it works before you roll it out to the public. If you want beta testers, then say so and don't just drop it on the users and leave.
People will not come back! And a lot of new users don't know what the forum is about. but they are WM users.
@ mblaster: I am here too, I am not bored at all.
Sure the forums says 'Developers' and not 'Tinker-bells', but most of the developers here are 'Real Pro's', they develop for the real world, not just to tinker of boredom. They have an plan, and make great thing that works. You will find there stuff on new released devices all over, including the iPhone!
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I say this again, a ROM is the core of your device where other software runs in/on.
Its not an piece of software like an games you just install.
ROM development is a lot of work, its not just switching some graphics and putting in some already-applications an not care about the rest. It is an art and an profession, and real cook is an master of devices
I think what Bardof means is that the quality-of-service needs to go up again, not the volume of ROM's, even on the new devices.
An ROM that doesn't work right, gives a bad taste to the Windows Mobile platform. We all know the effects..
I love this forum and WM, I have been in and out sinds the release of the MDA, it think needs to grow in quality, not shrink.
Where is the poll option "Complete Disagree!" ???
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I don't think he isn't that wrong at all. A ROM needs to work, period.
It's the core of you device where all your other stuff runs on. Most of us use our device trough the day, not just in emulators.
Its very important that it works before you roll it out to the public. If you want beta testers, then say so and don't just drop it on the users and leave.
People will not come back! And a lot of new users don't know what the forum is about. but they are WM users.
@ mblaster: I am here too, I am not bored at all.
Sure the forums says 'Developers' and not 'Tinker-bells', but most of the developers here are 'Real Pro's', they develop for the real world, not just to tinker of boredom. They have an plan, and make great thing that works. You will find there stuff on new released devices all over, including the iPhone!
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I say this again, a ROM is the core of your device where other software runs in/on.
Its not an piece of software like an games you just install.
ROM development is a lot of work, its not just switching some graphics and putting in some already-applications an not care about the rest. It is an art and an profession, and real cook is an master of devices
I think what Bardof means is that the quality-of-service needs to go up again, not the volume of ROM's, even on the new devices.
An ROM that doesn't work right, gives a bad taste to the Windows Mobile platform. We all know the effects..
I love this forum and WM, I have been in and out sinds the release of the MDA, it think needs to grow in quality, not shrink.
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I agree with the most of what you are saying. I haven't been replying on most of the posts on this forum but I've been reading a lot and testing a lot of ROMS, and it's a shame that only few of them work OK. Always need to install this and that CAB to get your phone working.
But....I know that cooking a ROM isn't that easy and it can take a lot of work and many of the good cookers don't get the respect they should, or help.
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I've been working with a great group of developers over at PPC-geeks.com on the Titan bluetooth problems, and I'm proud to say that our efforts have been fruitful!
The History:
In case you didn't know, the Titan has had horrible official Bluetooth support, and even the custom roms only get it "partway" there.
HTC's latest CDMA device, the Touch, uses roughly the same hardware under the hood as the Titan, however their bluetooth worked flawlessly. So, clearly the hardware is capable, its a matter of running the proper software!
After many attempts at porting the Vogue (htc touch) Bluetooth drivers into any number and combination of titan roms, it was concluded that it is NOT the answer (sorry custel).
This was the first obvious approach, however every attempt had some problem or bug, or sometimes wouldn't even boot up!
So we took another approach...
The Solution:
Update the OS, but keep the drivers from an earlier build that had less new "issues" with BT. The 2.09 rom from sprint had stable bluetooth, however it had poor quality over the headset/handsfree profile. This was apparently NOT an issue with the drivers as much as it was an issue with how the OS handles them!
Replacing the OS with a ported AKU .7 from a Universal, and basing the rest of the rom on 2.09, we have what appears to be a release with stable, decent quality bluetooth that works as it should have out of the box!
More testing is needed, but it seems like the best build so far, and should be a strong candidate as a base rom for future customs.
What this fixes:
-No more poor BT quality
-No more random BT shutoffs
-No more system freezes when coming out of standby due to BT stack left on and disconnected
-No more D-pad lock issues
-Generally stable Bluetooth performance that works AS EXPECTED.
Known issues:
-Alarm Bug, which was and still is a part of 2.09
However, we're working on a fix for this.
Find it here:
ftp://ppcgeeks:[email protected]/Titan/Users/sfaure03/ithinkwegotsit.rar
(as of this writing, the ppcgeeks ftp and webserver have been hit pretty hard, and are timing out an awful lot, so if it doesn't work, try again later. Perhaps someone would like to mirror it somewhere?)
Special thanks to all who contributed to this effort, particularly PPC-geeks users Sfaure03, DogGuy, no2chem, jtrag, and all the others who tested, theorized, and gave sage advice.
Personal thanks to ImCoKeMaN, for explaining how things work and having the patience to answer bizzare questions from the rest of the group.
edit: whoops nevermind
I'm not expereinced enough in using this type of file - can you please tell me what is the procedure to install a .rar file into the phone.
its an .nbh file, rar is the compression method. Its like .zip, only you need winrar (or something compatible) to uncompress it.
there's a tutorial on ppc-geeks (which I should really post here as well) about how to unlock and flash custom firmwares on the titan.
you guys rock!
So installed this ROM a couple hours ago. So far the phone's working fine. Tested BT in my RAV4. Wife says it's much improved -- previously if I called from the carphone she'd known instantly and ask me to switch it off. Now she's says it's fine. (High praise indeed. )
So bottom line: quality issues appear much improved. Major kudos!
Update: maybe I was slightly hasty. So the phone sits in my pocket for a few hours. I press the power button to bring it out of sleep. Password screen takes 15 seconds to come up. Enter the password, Today screen takes 30 seconds. Click on the Voicemail link, get a message that the phone cannot make the call. (low RAM?) Nothing else (afaik) except SPB Mobile Shell running at the time.
Boom, soft reset. Is it the phone? Is it the ROM? Is it me?
Mirror at: http://rapidshare.com/files/71094429/ithinkwegotsit.rar.html
The ROM finally makes my BT usable, but is still quite choppy and compressed. Unfortunately not a true fix for my device.
But, kudos to the developers for getting it to be usable! Thanks!!! You clearly beat Sprint/HTC!
However, my RAZR2 and Touch still have much better BT, so will keep using them at least for awhile.
Will see if the 'official' Sprint ROM (1) actually happens, (2) truly fixes the problem. If not, then I'll use my Touch until the Treo 800w or Titan 2.0 come out and likely swap my Titan at that point.
Unfortunately, even if Sprint fixes BT, Titan 1.0 will never have adequate memory for WM6. Sadly, the lack of memory is an unfixable product design deficiency.
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Unfortunately, even if Sprint fixes BT, Titan 1.0 will never have adequate memory for WM6. Sadly, the lack of memory is an unfixable product design deficiency.
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Heh, I love it how everyone keeps badgering that.
Look, I don't want to take my thread off-course, but when WM6 was released, ALL DEVICES HAD ONLY 64MB!
It wasn't until recently that we really started to see 128mb become more standard. The Touch (vogue) is actually the first 128mb WM6 device I've ever put my hands on, and I've had WM6 running flawlessly on the last 5 or so devices I've owned.
So, don't tell me that this is a major unfixable product design deficiency. It'd be nice to have more memory so you can leave more stuff open, but if you're not new to this and know what you're doing, its perfectly acceptable.
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Heh, I love it how everyone keeps badgering that.
Look, I don't want to take my thread off-course, but when WM6 was released, ALL DEVICES HAD ONLY 64MB!
It wasn't until recently that we really started to see 128mb become more standard. The Touch (vogue) is actually the first 128mb WM6 device I've ever put my hands on, and I've had WM6 running flawlessly on the last 5 or so devices I've owned.
So, don't tell me that this is a major unfixable product design deficiency. It'd be nice to have more memory so you can leave more stuff open, but if you're not new to this and know what you're doing, its perfectly acceptable.
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I have to agree here - the Cingular 8525 runs quite well with only 64MB of RAM (Other at work run it). My Titan runs quite well with only 64MB of RAM - HTC Home from the touch on the other hand makes it run like a three legged dog. Without the 3rd party plugins it zooms along quite well even with several apps running.
Dishe said:
Heh, I love it how everyone keeps badgering that.
Look, I don't want to take my thread off-course, but when WM6 was released, ALL DEVICES HAD ONLY 64MB!
It wasn't until recently that we really started to see 128mb become more standard. The Touch (vogue) is actually the first 128mb WM6 device I've ever put my hands on, and I've had WM6 running flawlessly on the last 5 or so devices I've owned.
So, don't tell me that this is a major unfixable product design deficiency. It'd be nice to have more memory so you can leave more stuff open, but if you're not new to this and know what you're doing, its perfectly acceptable.
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OK - fair enough, my memory comment WAS off topic! BTW you introduced the word "major"; I never said it was major - just unfixable. And, yes, you're right - if you want to manually do the OS's job for it, there is an acceptable workaround.
Interesting, though, that you responded only to that one sentence out of five in my post, not the other four which stated that BT quality is poor/mediocre on my device (which is an improvement from the prior unlistenable state).
Anyway - what kind of success rate are you seeing from various forums with this ROM? I still suspect the problem is partially HW, and that BT on some devices (mine probably one of them) may be unfixable.
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After many attempts at porting the Vogue (htc touch) Bluetooth drivers into any number and combination of titan roms, it was concluded that it is NOT the answer (sorry custel).
This was the first obvious approach, however every attempt had some problem or bug, or sometimes wouldn't even boot up!
So we took another approach...
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Why call out another developer? I fail to see how it was necessary. I'm assuming you have no life, and make roms for a living? I'll download whatever works; but because of your approach to criticize other people who try (which is EXACTLY what you do) to make something work, makes me not want to download your rom.
dishe is an such arrogant SOB, who think he's all that because he's creating ROM...well props to you that you do create rom...but its just people opinion/wish about having more ram (which is UNFIXABLE! on mogul)...you don't have to bash them for it...would u preferred an old style laptop/computer from the 2000's or newer/faster in 07's. However, you might be able to upgrade their RAM through hardware...but does HTC have such RAM upgrade for mogul!? anyways...i'm not hating on your work at all...but i just get disgusted when you go and ranted on someone post (n it was a valid post.)
ps. If you want to brag, make something that's useful w/o any glitches. Success at that then brag all you want, but at this moment you still using the public to test whatever ya doing. So stop tripping home boy.
Wow, I've heard of people venting on forums, but this is rediculous. Did you all have really bad days or something?
Look, there's a lot going on that doesn't take place on this forum. I used to be a big XDA-dev's fan, but unfortunatley I've found that there just isn't enough research and development for our particular device going on here, so I started broadening my horizons.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in the first post, but I didn't make this rom.
At least, not by myself. I worked with a team of people from other boards and we formed a group that has been testing theories and building different rom combinations to try and come up with the best solution possible currently. We've made some amazing progress, and the nostalgic part of me wanted to come back to XDA and not leave you guys in the dark.
We've noticed Custel doing similar things on XDA, and we had already tried a lot of what he was doing. We found that the vogue BT didn't play nice with the rest of the Titan rom components in many situations, yet Custel kept trying. I beleive that some of the devs in our group tried to contact him, possibly even get him involved, share what we've learned so far (collaborative efforts are the best way to go). I don't know exactly what happened after that, and I didn't ask because its not my business. I mentioned him because he's still trying something, where we've had a bit of success. Not that its a race, but it would appear that we got there first using another method. I'm sorry that you read that as a "flame" on his part, I didn't mean to disrespect. Just that we we're doing is not what he's doing, and we've tried that route already.
Some of the others in the group of devs warned me not to go posting here. Thought maybe there would be too much animosity. I decided on my own to bring the information here because XDA was always a great source of info in the past, and there's no reason you guys should be left out. Are you trying to make me regret it, as if I'm wasting my time here?
Lazy and cool6324, I'm not forcing you to try this rom. I'm also not "bragging" about what was created. I'm filling you guys in. If you don't want it, that's fine. I won't bother updating.
hey DISHE
bro u dont even owe these guys an explanation, they contribute nothing and take everything. they dont understand whats involved and quick to criticize anything they dont agree with.
it appears to me that they think they are all that and a bag of chips/ but if the DEVs of these fixes decided not to share, i bet they would keep there mouth shut real quick/
bottom line bro, dont bother posting any more responses to these idiots / look at the end of the "
Hard-SPL - or how to not brick your PDA ever again" post and u will see what these guys are like on this forum, calling each other names and etc just like they r doing now.
i c u at ppcgeeks
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Wow, I've heard of people venting on forums, but this is rediculous. Did you all have really bad days or something?
Look, there's a lot going on that doesn't take place on this forum. I used to be a big XDA-dev's fan, but unfortunatley I've found that there just isn't enough research and development for our particular device going on here, so I started broadening my horizons.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in the first post, but I didn't make this rom.
At least, not by myself. I worked with a team of people from other boards and we formed a group that has been testing theories and building different rom combinations to try and come up with the best solution possible currently. We've made some amazing progress, and the nostalgic part of me wanted to come back to XDA and not leave you guys in the dark.
We've noticed Custel doing similar things on XDA, and we had already tried a lot of what he was doing. We found that the vogue BT didn't play nice with the rest of the Titan rom components in many situations, yet Custel kept trying. I beleive that some of the devs in our group tried to contact him, possibly even get him involved, share what we've learned so far (collaborative efforts are the best way to go). I don't know exactly what happened after that, and I didn't ask because its not my business. I mentioned him because he's still trying something, where we've had a bit of success. Not that its a race, but it would appear that we got there first using another method. I'm sorry that you read that as a "flame" on his part, I didn't mean to disrespect. Just that we we're doing is not what he's doing, and we've tried that route already.
Some of the others in the group of devs warned me not to go posting here. Thought maybe there would be too much animosity. I decided on my own to bring the information here because XDA was always a great source of info in the past, and there's no reason you guys should be left out. Are you trying to make me regret it, as if I'm wasting my time here?
Lazy and cool6324, I'm not forcing you to try this rom. I'm also not "bragging" about what was created. I'm filling you guys in. If you don't want it, that's fine. I won't bother updating.
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Where was I supposedly contacted?
dishe don't even trip! The folks *****ing are the ones using the Roms also. Take their comments with a grain of salt....F**K EM!!!! Don't waste your time on these idiots. Others apperciate the work you do to make our Moguls useful.
to step: shut ur ass kissing d!ck sucking ***** depriving n a **** hole that you called a mouth! I dont even use BT, yeah its nice to have clean/custom rom to rig my phone. But a stock is fine with me. Just tired of people kissing dev's asses geeze....get them stick out of ur ass....
ps. i never did dish at dishe's rom nor either ***** at it....it was his tactics of bashing on people posts...so get it right...
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to step: shut ur ass kissing d!ck sucking ***** depriving n a **** hole that you called a mouth! I dont even use BT, yeah its nice to have clean/custom rom to rig my phone. But a stock is fine with me. Just tired of people kissing dev's asses geeze....get them stick out of ur ass....
ps. i never did dish at dishe's rom nor either ***** at it....it was his tactics of bashing on people posts...so get it right...
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LMAO...such childish folks here....I'm gonna just LMAO!! at u...so sad
Lazee,
its not about kissing ass. Its about appreciation for what these guys do (AND FOR FREE they do it!!!!) they rarely ask anything of the rest of us, if anything at all. Because of the fact that they do give up alot of free time, which they could be doing something else, to help out alot people they dont even know, i have a certain amount of respect for that alone, regardless if they might seem arrogant. the truth is that they really do care about people or they wouldnt even share what they do! theres no law that says that they have to share anything with us/ sometimes its easy for us to forget this and take it all for granit/ lets just call a truce and stop with the name callin and etc and try to maintain a respectible forum ok.
PEACE!!! come on guys we are all in this together
Oh and by the way Custel, u rock bro, do what it is u do and dont stop!! dishe luvs ya nothing personal, i dont want to speak for him but i get the feeling that things might have came out wrong when he was responding to the "lazee's post and was just a lil fluddered.
This is not intended to be mean to the ap team but i am posting this because i feel they should of been honest to us from the beginning and just said we can't release yet. My reasons for feeling this way are listed below
1. About 1 month after pk3 dual was released, pawel and the rest of the team changed their signature to rom: top secret and it had been like that even after hdubli posted a ported copy of wm6.1.... why did'nt pawel post a wm6.1 rom when he changed rom to top secret?
2. the team keeps saying stuff like we have a BT bug or screen problems and i realize that there are some updates on the ati driver and stuff but the BT stack that is on the wm6.1 that hdubli released works great. i can use a BT mouse and a BT keyboard, and BT headphone all at the same time and it works great. I can provide a vid if there are doubts
3. Most is importantly even BoyGeniusReport says http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/03/28/htcs-manilla-gets-screenshotted/ this rom is from the x7510. something i said on the "Athena Project 4.0 coming, but needs...." post 228 but pawel denied this is post 229
in conclusion everyone should stop looking for the release of this rom and start looking for the release of the x7510 cause then and only then will this rom be released. I am only posting this so people can have a realistic outlook on the rom and can stop being dissapointed everyday in the hope it will be released. I did not post this to come down on the team i just feel like there is so much tension on this fourm and i wanted to make my thoughts known.
High Five
Hypothetically speaking...
... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
ok dude the rom is a 7510 rom but no way do i have to wait for it to be released. there still isn't a solid release date. the rom i could give u right now but it needs to properly be tested and bugs be fixed. we release with bugs, u guys complain, we look bad. i can take complaining before the rom then praises when it comes out.
also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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... Even if this were the case, why would you want him to release pre-release software that could get him in trouble or again, hypothetically, his *source* in trouble? People get fired for leaking stuff, sometimes worse. Personally, I don't need to know where this stuff comes from.
How about we let him work on things and hey, at least there's a better chance that he'll be able to bring us more HTC gems for a possible v5.0.
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
Go Knights!
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1st i never said once that he should release it. what is said was he should tell us he cant release it. i don't remember anywhere in my post and any post for that matter where i said "you should release it right now even if it will get you into trouble or even if its not ready"
On a side note - i also live in orlando, fl and goto ucf do you play halo?
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No kidding - I'm planning on getting back to school this fall myself. Live right around the corner from the Uni. No Halo, since my box was red-lighting again just before my damn cat knocked a cup of water over onto the PSU for it. So i've got a little bit of work to get my box working again... oh yeah and I was banned from Live just before all that too (modded firmware), so yeah I did play halo. Meh
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also we have had 6.1 for a while. something like november i got the first athena 6.1 rom with build 19145 if im not mistaken. we have had 6.1 even before that though.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
High Five
PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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i totally agree with you..... and also im pity of those who donated
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oooouch, i think that might be a little harsh. You forget they have already posted 3 roms so i think the people who have donated got their moneys worth
My first thought for the team is if you WANT to release, then there's nothing wrong with realeasing a beta--paid software makers do it all the time. Here is a beta with known bugs. Da-ta-da-tada. There's likely unknown bugs too--user beware. That's why its beta. Heck, while its not as optimal,some companies (cough, cough, microsoft,) can release betas as the real deal.
For free (please donations accepted look at the value) roms/software, the bar shouldn't be higher than that of the commercial stuff.
It's funny how this just suddenly went down hill with all the slandering etc etc... I appreciate the time EVERYONE on the AP Team took to make what was (and most of us if not ALL enjoyed it) and what is to be. I personally donated as a sign of gratitude and saying thank you, heck I would've donated if they had even asked for some sort of donation just to teach how they did it instead of releasing a new ROM. Some of you guys are just down right ungreatful and quickly forget all the hard work and time they Team puts in to stand behind their wonderful ROMS. And lets not forget the tons of apps they cook in the ROMS too. So what's the big deal if people want to donate I did it and I'll be doing it again in the near future.
If the team DOES NOT want to release. That is the team's perogative also. This seeming to hang forever on the edge of release is a little nerve wracking and is hard on the fan base,but so what? If we, the fan base, donate less--really--donations are piddly anyway. The team needs to do what they do for the fun of it and the satisfaction of it.
I think it's about time this ROM was released, bugs'n all. Just release as a Beta.
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but that is my main point for saying that you can't release it yet. you had wm6.1 since november but released a cooked wm6 rom in late november. Don't get me wrong i am grateful for everything you have done and the only point i am trying to make is that you have to wait to release. I have logical points for these thoughts. example: in "Stop the stupid ap 4.0" post 36 - you told someone you have 2 newer builds than 9.5 build 405 but you can't release it.
Look im not trying to get into a pissing match with you, and nothing productive will come out of us arguing back and forth. So if you say it's still buggy and you need more time to test than its buggy and needs more time to test. i will not say another word about it.
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thanx just dont like people saying i cant release this until the 7510 is out. i released snapvue before the shift was out and that was ok. i'll also release this new rom before the 7510 is out. i'll also be able to provide details when the 7510 is out and about what the price should be.
sergiopi said:
PAWEL as I said before: this ISN'T a CUSTOMER'S forum, this is a DEVELOPER'S forum.
Customer want the best (and irrealistic) ROM, a developer want TO DEVELOP and share knowledge, so we are ready to a BUGGY one, you aren't a company. WE LIKE TO PLAY , we aren't customers, again!
Just as an example, I don't care about BT bug, I am pretty sure I have it fixed in a couple of days .A developer forum is a place were people exchange beta, and fix bug, together.
In the excalibur forum, without any "secret" rom, without any "project" , even without any DONATE, kavana (China) posted a rom, rick (GB) improve it, we worked togeter with kavana and rick, now we have TWO good rom!
Release a working, buggy version, believe me, may be you will surprised how people here will be fast to find AND FIX bugs.
Knowledge is something widely spread here and on the NET too! USE THE FORCE LUKE (the force is the NET and the spread knowledge). If you don't trust the FORCE you can't win!
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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you are really getting out of hand. u donate if u like. i provided 4 roms to everyone already. people wanted a vanilla so im making a vanilla. i guess u can't make everyone happy.
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thats why if i cant get it to my liking by friday it will be released as a beta. the 19181 build was just to unstable. it got un usable after a while. u really wanted me to release that? we tried to make it better and got it to about 80% of what it should be but then decided to go for the new 19202 because we got the ok for that. by friday there will be a rom. if all goes well before that u might have a non beta build.
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If you don't mind I don't like getting my hopes up (again). So I'll put it on my calendar for Friday. I'm not hoping for it to be released before that (or maybe I am but trying not to). Dare I say it...? You're not going to disappoint us are you?
And please note. I greatly appreciate your hard work. That’s why I donated! But checking every day to find out that it’s not released it getting a bit tedious . Considering it has been hanging close to being released for quite some time now.
Awaiting delivery
it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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it will be 100% out on friday. whether in beta form or final form. it'll most likely be afternoon local time because thats when i'll have time to release. i would like a tuesday release though because would be very funny... dont u agree??
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A few questions (if you don't mind, if you do just don't answer ):
Will the beta be usable? (maybe good to know for less experienced people);
What's your timezone?
NB: no not funny at all, as I said: I'm not getting my hopes up again.
Well i believe i can finally make this announcment and say we have done our part in delivering the unlocks and roms and it was very fun while it lasted. our team has moved on to the newer vga and qvga devices. look for me personally to be in the touch hd forums work on roms there as long as i can get a device. as some saw my athena is for sale and if anyone is interested u can pm me or reply to the thread. was very nice knowing everyone and i hope to see most of you in the future on the newer devices. hopefully some of you will move to the touch hd and i will see you there.
good bye and good luck with your athenas. it was and still is one amazing device. sad to let her go but its time...
a sad day for the community.
(as if we won't bump on each other in the future.) lol.
take care pawel. and thanks for everything.
ciao!
AP4.0 BlueTooth Stack
It's sad to see you go, but it has been a long and fun ride. THe crowning glory for the team has been the release of AP4, despite all the troubles we've had with it. Michy is doing a stellar job in keeping our appetite's whet with his neverending ROM factory. I do have one final request if I may. The only thing that is keeping me from usin Michy's ROMs (or others for that matter) is the instability of the Bluetooth Stack. This was one area that AP Team hit on the head with AP4 Plat. Please, provide some guidance to Michy on the issue.
On a personal note, I may be following you to the Touch HD crowd when it does become avaiable.
Thank you for your great roms, wish you well and enjoy your HD.
still find AP dual 3.0 fantastic though now may be a little behind.
Your great contribution to this forum will never be forgotton!
Before switching to MichY's roms, I have been faithfully using your roms starting from PK 2 to AP4 for a very long period of time. All those roms ran fast and stable. Everyone of this forum will have the same saying as mine that "Your great contributions to this forum will never be forgotton!"
Hi there PK.
It has been a real slice working with you on the Athena project.We accomplished alot with it, and I am proud to be able to say that I was a part of it. I am currently helping Michy with his roms and still love my Athena.
Good luck with your new projects, and maybe we will work together again one day.
P.S. If you still have your Athena for sale, hit me up on messenger and we can talk about it. I wouldn't mind getting a second one....LOL
Later............... Ron
Ah well, it had to happen, what with all the sexy stuff HTC lately came up with.
Thank you and all the Athena Project Team for your hard work and dedication. I think it's safe to say that among all ROM cooks for the Athena, you guys were the Top Guns and actually MADE the Athena a great and, at last, really FULL-FEATURED PDA-Phone, revealing its true potential. AP ROM evolutions will be sorely missed for those among us who have no plan to change their beloved brick any time soon.
Small wondering on my part: do you favor the HD, as compared to the Raphael, solely because of its screen resolution, or is there something else ? Because I myself am starting to think about which one I'd go for "if I had the opportunity", and I was thinking that a built-in hardware keyboard would probably be more useful than the VGA-WVGA resolution gap...
Thanks for your answer, and once again, for everything !
And have fun with your next elite device, and see you then and there, maybe !
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Ah well, it had to happen, what with all the sexy stuff HTC lately came up with.
Thank you and all the Athena Project Team for your hard work and dedication. I think it's safe to say that among all ROM cooks for the Athena, you guys were the Top Guns and actually MADE the Athena a great and, at last, really FULL-FEATURED PDA-Phone, revealing its true potential. AP ROM evolutions will be sorely missed for those among us who have no plan to change their beloved brick any time soon.
Small wondering on my part: do you favor the HD, as compared to the Raphael, solely because of its screen resolution, or is there something else ? Because I myself am starting to think about which one I'd go for "if I had the opportunity", and I was thinking that a built-in hardware keyboard would probably be more useful than the VGA-WVGA resolution gap...
Thanks for your answer, and once again, for everything !
And have fun with your next elite device, and see you then and there, maybe !
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hd is closest to the athena so thats why. the screen is 3.8 and im going no smaller than the 3.5 in i have on my iphone. i love large screens then theres the 3.5 mm jack the hd has. i use the aux port in my car to listen to music from my iphone and used to from my athena. also the hd has a 5mp camera. with mp the sensor will be decent and bc of the resolution of the pics, most of them will look great on my laptop etc.. also about the keyboard... i been using on screen boards since i got my athena so im used to them and dont miss a hardware keyboard. specially with the smart keyboard on the iphone. wvga will just mean better showing of videos, better web browsing expirence etc..
Heh, thank you for your thourough answer, PK. And well, lol, you DID convince me, too. But since I'm a complicated bast*rd, I now am hesitating between the HD and Sony Ericsson XPeria X1...
But a WinMo without PK cooking ROMs ? Hard to imagine...
Hope you'll have lots of fun with your next device, and hope to try out your future cookies.
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Heh, thank you for your thourough answer, PK. And well, lol, you DID convince me, too. But since I'm a complicated bast*rd, I now am hesitating between the HD and Sony Ericsson XPeria X1...
But a WinMo without PK cooking ROMs ? Hard to imagine...
Hope you'll have lots of fun with your next device, and hope to try out your future cookies.
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i have a friend who has a x1 already(bengalboy, maybe u heard of him?). from what i hear SE is still developing the software for it along with htc. hardware though is pretty final but no final software from what i know. i wouldn't expect it until 09 specially if u want usa 3g. the hd i will try to get and see if there is usa 3g hidden within. if not i'll sell it and wait for whats coming out afterwords and get that.
YEA BABY!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442179
Some things in life are just too good to allow it to fade away:
Pink Floyd
The Rolling Stones
The Who
Athena Project
Need I say more?
Dear community,
I humbly express my opinion that except few ROMS on this page (Energy, RRE & Shep's) the rest are basically garbage..
Stop wasting your time and if you have programming skills (I don't), try to port Android on Raphael. I mean Please Focus on something everybody can use. Windows is going nowhere.. and Android is here with big promises.
I believe Raphael is too much of a device for a crippled OS like Windows. I am sure there are millions of people would think the same way.
WinMo:
Still 65K colors, buggy like Bill Gates, sweaty like Steve Balmer.. Touch Pro is one of the coolest devices one can own, but with an ugly ass OS, it becomes completely useless. WinMo has completed it's lifecycle.. 6.5 has no major pluses over 6.1 even 5.0.. The MS mentality for programming needs a communist revolution.
I will try to stick around.. I am sure there will be a huge success if skilled developers focus on porting Android on HTC devices and will make our devices more useful..
Thank you all, especially the aforementioned chéfs.
I don't want Android OS on my Raphael. 65k is enough, I don't have any bugs (using latest official HTC ROM), I have tons of great, useful applications for WM and I do think that WM is the most powerful platform of all. iPhone and Symbian possibilities are ridicioulus comparing with WinMo, and Android is still new...
wow dude, shut up.
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wow dude, shut up.
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Me or him?
Even though I like android (had it on my kaiser), I still prefer windows mobile. Its just so customizable. But the more choices we have the better, so I say if we can then lets do it.
But to say only the 3 listed roms are good is a little narrow-minded and disrespectful. I have tried a lot of roms and I believe they are very good in their own ways. Like the Mystic Roms were a favorite before, for great aesthetics and battery life. Or the Louzeberry, very original... and thats just those two.
Hope you understand that not everyone has one taste in roms that's why we have so many, and all the chef's deserve a little praise for their hard work.
I'd like to see android on fuze/touch pro, if for nothing other than more freedom of choice and general competition.
More competition makes for better innovation.
You know, i'm quite tempted to make a "madlib" from your post, changing around a few nouns here and there would make it alot more accurate
But i'll refrain from that and just laugh at you for making such an audacious demand under the guise of an 'opinion'
You really want this? Start learning. I'm more than happy to help you learn what you need to accomplish this. Demanding we all spend our time how YOU want, that's not getting you anywhere
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Me or him?
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I believe its to the author of this thread, for the rudeness toward the small chefs.
Go ahead and get started on it KoolTurk. WinMo Chefs have their preferences and so do you. What is holding you back?
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Dear community,
I humbly express my opinion that except few ROMS on this page (Energy, RRE & Shep's) the rest are basically garbage..
Stop wasting your time and if you have programming skills (I don't), try to port Android on Raphael. I mean Please Focus on something everybody can use. Windows is going nowhere.. and Android is here with big promises.
I believe Raphael is too much of a device for a crippled OS like Windows. I am sure there are millions of people would think the same way.
WinMo:
Still 65K colors, buggy like Bill Gates, sweaty like Steve Balmer.. Touch Pro is one of the coolest devices one can own, but with an ugly ass OS, it becomes completely useless. WinMo has completed it's lifecycle.. 6.5 has no major pluses over 6.1 even 5.0.. The MS mentality for programming needs a communist revolution.
I will try to stick around.. I am sure there will be a huge success if skilled developers focus on porting Android on HTC devices and will make our devices more useful..
Thank you all, especially the aforementioned chéfs.
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Wow, this seems terribly rude.... if that is your OPINION why not keep it to yourself. Use what you want to off of the forum and don't use the rest...
That is quite a statement coming from someone wih 3 posts . Have you actually tried all of the ROMs here? Or did you start a new account just to come in and rattle cages? Good luck with your project, I'm sure we'll all be tryin it out once you get it ported smart guy
Demanding something like this with 3 post and no history on xda what so ever...dude you got some balls lol, and about android, it already been workt on by various dev groups, so just sit tight and stfu.
Regards
rafyvitto
Oh hey, look at that: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelLinux
Your opinion is obviously very ignorant. Go take some computer science classes and come back when you know what you're talking about.
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I believe its to the author of this thread, for the rudeness toward the small chefs.
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small chefs such as da_g
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small chefs such as da_g
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I knew that statement would come back and bite me in the ass (sorry Da_G and others), just thought everyone read it and it was to late to change
I had a mental block, and couldn't remember any chefs' names.
So I apologize to all you LARGE Chefs
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Dear community,
I'm an idiot and should never post again.
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Cool story bro
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the rest are basically garbage..
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This post is garbage. To come on here and talk trash about other peoples hard work, whether you prefer that work or not, is just asinine. You dont like what these guys have to offer? DONT COME HERE!
One more thing:
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I will try to stick around..
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PLEASE dont!
Da_G said:
You know, i'm quite tempted to make a "madlib" from your post, changing around a few nouns here and there would make it alot more accurate
But i'll refrain from that and just laugh at you for making such an audacious demand under the guise of an 'opinion'
You really want this? Start learning. I'm more than happy to help you learn what you need to accomplish this. Demanding we all spend our time how YOU want, that's not getting you anywhere
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I agree, this guy sounds like a total douche bag and deserves nothing. How's that for a Christmas gift? The people on these forums are doing everyone a favor by creating these ROMs... these ROMS are free and are created on people's spare time, show some f-ing respect.
-1^100 for not doing a more research and dissing the great work done here in the Raphael ROM Forum.
Hey, you probably heard that WP7 has been ported on HD2.
Well, that's a great start. But I think we can try it out... Even it would be a lot buggy or slow or anything else... I think if we contact DFT (Dark Forces Team) they might help us out... I know it's near impossible (because of our ARMv6 CPU. == WP7 needs an ARMv7 CPU which HD2 has it.) But it's not impossible completely... Let's do something about it... What do you say devs?
I'm just waiting for the hackers team is to discuss about this. Because I am only new person in the world PHONE.
im will suporter to u all
Come on ,it will be great to run wp7 on topaz
Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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Oh golly, because you demanding it will sure make them motivated.
When you say "Lets do something" you must mean, "I cant do it, can you do it for me?". Why not learn reverse engineering, and then doing something yourself? Because realy, if you want dev's to do all the work for you, you obviously should stick to the Windows-GUI manipulation level, doubt being spoof-feed will help you.
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a port for the Topaz, and I'd probly try it out... But I'm looking forward to the cracking of WP7 on WP7 phones so that I can upgrade to a new phone and not be stuck with that horrible start screen
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First of all, I don't see any reason to answer you directly. In second, I'm a developer but can't do it alone. I'm asking for help. So just keep learning things. You may someday understand what I was asking for.
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I know you have some developing skills, although I dont know if it goes beyond changing the registry and gui-manipulation, but the system-level developers are unlikely to port the Windows 7 to the Topaz, mainly because its a old device now, outdated and slow.
(And I know that you've got some knowledge because I used eclipse for few days, good ROM)
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I appreciate that... But as I mentioned above, it's near impossible... Not completely. Your'e right... Topaz has ARMv6 processor... WP7 requires ARMv7. But i'm talking about experiencing it on Topaz... By the way, I agree with oldness of Topaz... I'm gonna buy a Desire HD
It's wishfull thinking and never going to happen. The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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The best us topaz owners can expect to get for our outdated phones is a 100% working Android.
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And wouldn't that be great!!!!
That ain't true I find that the ui from wp7 is lite and simple. This can easily be ported to our devices with a little magic. But The part of windows live games or xbox live is the part that our devices cant handle. Our devices aren't old they where made cheap by htc and att to cover some sectors of the market. But our devices could have been easily been made with the same stuff as hd2, as few months passed since each launched.
The ui is simpler than ours and faster I think it could be done......just that I need to finish studying by then to make this. And I don't think of waiting is another great idea. As we are shadowed by what could have been if we had a twin processor to hd2's. But, we bought this and I find it great!
And please respect each other!!!!!
I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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I think it's NOT possible because of hardware requirements.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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our device was made of tinking on this.. As I read before it was tought to be ported in form of an upgrade. But it was left in the clouds. And our device have the custom buttons on a new device like android and wp7. Ram can't be a prob. If the UI was made for speed and simplicity. Just the xbox live games won't run properly.
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
wp7 requires ARMv7 instruction set on cpu. but topaz is just ARMv6 i think. that's why I think it's not possible
Moreover, why would you want WP7? The only thing it has going for it is that it runs smoothly and doesn't crash, which it would NOT do if someone did manage to port it. Better off building skins over 6.5.x; that way you could at least retain functionality...
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AH man! I've been focussing on another site. WWW.htc-pure.com, which I am a moderator. And for years I've been here quietly. but I think I will try to move here to help. Lets see what I can do.
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I am waiting, good luck man
Black.Heart said:
I agree... But no one is taking TD2 seriously. Because there are at least 2 similar devices (TP2, THD) no one is focusing on TD2. That's why we don't see any salient improvement on Android development. HD2 devs focused on it and made the progress finished soon. I think the best way we can do right now, is contacting Cotulla from DFT. He could help me and other devs. I just don't know how to contact him!
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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actually, hd2 had devices that only need to be (partially) reverse-engeneered. hell some libs etc worked directly from Desire, cotulla took half of its radio SW to get rmnet data working and ...HD7...well it's hd2 without hardware buttons!...
magldr is child's play and development was over in 2 months but they kept it testing for that time to see how phone will respond to tottaly diffrent os.
now find something like that for Touch(something).
htc was lazy with hardware at the time and hackers took advantage of that.
but these devices nature is so much different that every piece of system would have to be homebrew-and devs struggle with android for a long time with sources and inch from their nose. imagine rewriting even basic parts of kernel to support armv6 without any proper source. i truly can't imagine wp7 being done...
even with few developers, reasonable timeframe would be over year or two!
i own 3 htc phones and one td2 just for fun of it, to see evolution of htc's over the years.. go buy yourself hd2 if you really wish to hack the hell out of your phone. they go really cheap - around $200 - and save yourself time
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I agree. I'm moving to iPhone 4 or Sensation or EVO 3D...