Hey everybody,
I am sitting here now for hours and trying to figure out what I need, and what I wont ever use, ...
I got myself a touch pro and now I am trying to find a rom that fits me, or at least to figure out if i do even need a rom.
What I need is a stable phone that works fine with GPS and also stable enough (and with enought battarycapacity) to use the GPS for example 10hours in one turn (don't know even if this is possible from the beginning ).
first of all:
Whats the advantage of WM6.5?
Is a cooked 6.5 Rom possibly as stable as a stock rom from HTC?
Till now I am used to SPB Mobile Shell and I would buy the new version of it, ... is Sense really a good supstitude, and as fast as mobile shell?
Some ROMs come with lots of preinstalled software where I might only need half of it, is it possible to uninstall some of it?
I read somewhere something about QuickGPS, ... is it common and usefull in cooked ROMs?
Are Hotfixes from HTC usually included?
... slowly I get more and more questions in my head, ...
Last but not least:
Is it recommendable to use a cooked ROM if I dont't want to flash my phone for the comming year, and just using a stable and fast phone?
Which ROM would be recommendable if I use it mainly for surfing some pages and GPS and playing a bit around?
Thanks in advance for helping to unscramble my brain ^^
Ps.: Has anybody an experience with Touch Pro and German Vodafone, with different Radios? (As you see I like to stay up to date, but I am too lazy to follow it ...)
In a friendly way I suggest you do some serious reading which is really a FRIENDLY hint. Read the Wiki and Radio threads to learn more about your phone (hardSPL) and some ROM threads. Do n o t assume that all custom ROMs support all languages (my guess is that your local language is German) so - again - you have to look around a little bit.
Custom or cooked ROMs do include a lot of little tools and features (some Chefs put more in some less). Regarding stability, read a little bit through ROM threads currently there are not many unstable ROMs out.
Keep in mind that, pending what base ROM version you chose (called SYS followed by a number 21xxx for example) that it may be a beta OS from microsoft which need not to be "per se" a bad thing.
The biggest suggestion - still - read Read READ to UNDERSTAND what's going on.
A Titanium ROM would be MY choice if you want to continue with SPB Mobile shell (which is good BTW) so no need to have the Manila 2.1 or 2.5 included with the ROM.
Well we were all kind of clueless about this at one point..so I won't flame you for posting this, but please please go and read through the stickies in this forum, and then through a whole bunch of ROM threads before doing anything to your phone. Don't be one of the many retards who post on here asking questions that have been asked a million times.
Couple of things to get you started.
1) use the SEARCH function. It will really help you, just type in your question and you will get an answers..
2) Read these threads:
how to flash your phone:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Wiki Links
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=419746
General Help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477235
3) Once you know what flashing is, what HardSPL is, what a radio is, what a riphone.dll is, and what a rom is, start with a nice simple Windows Mobile 6.1 rom and flash that. Browse this forum and find a [ROM] thread that states its Windows Mobile 6.1, download it, and flash it. I would never advise a newbie to flash WM 6.5..yes it works great et al but if you are new to this you will likely run into issues and end up coming back here.
4) Once you are happy with the basics of flashing, and you have played with your new 6.1 rom, go and take a look at some of the newer all singing all dancing roms based on WM 6.5, which is the latest version of windows mobile available. Again here start with the basics, so one that includes "manilla 2.1", which is currently stable and pretty much finished. This will give you some nice upgrades to your phone which you will not have seen before. Make sure to start with a version that has build "28xxxx" as its number also, as again this is the most stable.
5) Once you are used to that you may want to jump to the 21xxxx series (less stable but much nicer to use imo - this is the "development" series of WM 6.5, which is *not* final or released), and see how you get on with that.
6) If you are feeling adventerous go for a Manilla 2.5 version after this, but ONLY IF YOU HAVE READ ALL ABOUT IT FIRST. 2.5 is full of bugs/issues at the moment, 99% of which are known and have been posted about already.
The key thing here is to READ READ READ and DO NOT sit here posting questions - I guarantee that 99.999% of your questions have been answered already. If you stick to those rough guidelines you will have a good time flashing and will be respected here..happy flashing!
edit: one more thing, I will answer one more question. If you want the most stable and reliable ROM on your phone..do one of two things. Either research lots and play with every single rom you can find until you find the one that works best for YOUR network and area, OR just stick with a stock HTC rom..there is no "middle ground" here..its very simple
Sorry for having my questions out a bit quick
And thanks a lot for the info you gave still!
Just wanted to say that I did read quite a bit (and actually I stopped when I got a headache) so I am familiar with flashing Hardspl and so on, ...
One of my main question (if Manila is a substitude for Mobileshell) is answerd by tyguy, so thanks a lot for that!
Anyway you all do a great job here!! Thanks a lot!
For a German user on Vodafone see my friends and contact Schnitzelbrain he is German and Raphael user ( and maybe Vodafone ) very helpful surely he can help you chose.
I reccomend Chrome ROMs though.
WM 6.5 is more finger friendly than 6.1. If you're new stay away from the SENSE(next generation Manila) as it wasn't designed for your Touch Pro and it takes some tinkering around with. The better handling 6.5 builds are the 21XXX builds as they are "official" builds. Look for 21882. The 28xxx are experimental builds but function fairly well.
Each developer has their own style, so it may take you a couple tries to figure out who matches your style.
one warning about manila 2.5 (sense) is that it's been stated that sometimes the animations will be slower. This is because sense was made with a 1ghz processor in mind, so make sure you keep that in mind as well.
I'm currently using NRG Rom Phoenix 2 and (manila 2.1) it rocks.
SirHanni, just try some of the popular 6.5 roms such as the energy roms...
You need to experience each rom to know it you like everything about it.
For instance I like my current rom because the weather updates to my location.
I also hate the roms with the start button at the bottom.
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What do you guys think is the best ROM for using the touch pro as it is intended to be first and foremost: a phone.
I'm looking for a rom with no hangups when you want to make a phone call, check a text message or send an email. I find that sometimes my phone hangs (quite badly actually) when I try to use the actual phone bit of my fuze. (IE: Tonight I got pulled over for having an unregistered tag, left the reg at home, tried to call my aunt to bring it to me to avoid having my car impounded and low and behold my phone call screen decides to hang for a good 2 minutes... Lucky the cop felt bad for my seemingly ****ty device and I got off with a warning... :\ )
Also, I find it a pain in the arse sometimes to check, reply to my texts on the go. More often than not the screen hangs for a few seconds between the different screens. I find this so much of an annoyance that I've almost stopped texting all together.
I'm using the RRE 6.5 rom at the moment but this is literally draining the life out of me. any suggestions?
Sounds like you treat your phone as I do ... mission critical device.
RRE's series ROM are great ROMs; a lot of attention goes into ensuring they run as hassle free as possible. That said, Windows Mobile 6.5 is still relatively new and there are some kinks that still need to be worked out.
You may want to look at using a feature lite Mobile 6.1 ROM for the time being. A good indicator of stability is when you see the frequency of kitchen/ROM releases slow down.
HTH,
Thanks for the reply, I'm beginning to think that its a 6.5 issue, but even more so a windows mobile issue... Which is a shame because i've always been a fan of the pc-on-the-go experience of wm as opposed to some proprietary OS by some nameless company for a very specific phone that supports nothing.
Maybe i'm just ranting
It depends on what you want in your ROM.
RRE v3 WM6.5 has been running great for me. There's been a v4 and v5, but I'm sticking with v3 for now since it has run great for me.
WM6.5 isn't for everyone though.
If you don't need TF3D (or don't mind installing it via cab), then look in the March 1st Leaked ATT ROM thread and look for the Da_G stripped version. This is plain WM6.1 with NO HTC stuff. Its as bare as you can get, but fast as hell and very stable. You can find cabs for the HTC stuff if you decide to use it.
+ 1 for NRG minus manila. once you take the manila out, the battery life is excellent....granted, i'm on 2.0 now but was pretty good when i ran 3 as well (switched back for 6.1)....
it's now 5 PM and been off charger since 7:30 AM and with a few phone calls and email twice/multiple texts, i've still got 75% left!!
agree with other member, if you want reliable rom, stick with 6.1. 6.5 has a lot of hiccups. But to each its own. My phone has failed me when I need the most but hey how many times does that happen.
install the new touch pro 6.1 official rom 5.11.xx.xx.xx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
i made my rom with just that in mind, making the touch pro a good phone first, and a good ppc second. it runs on 6.1 so no hiccups and i tested it extensively.
arrupenthal makes some good stable roms too :}
Why are we having this discussion AGAIN?! Oh yeah, because someone with only 4 posts doesn't want to spend an hour reading but wants to get quick answers to questions that have no easy quick answers.
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Why are we having this discussion AGAIN?! Oh yeah, because someone with only 4 posts doesn't want to spend an hour reading but wants to get quick answers to questions that have no easy quick answers.
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He did the right thing. He started a new thread instead of clogging other threads with these questions. No one has to enter this. I've been monitoring this because I'm curious to see what people plug here. It's hard to find practical roms unless you read all 150 pages in each good rom's thread because everyone claims: "fast", "great", "best", "stable"... when they really aren't there yet. It's just that some roms aren't fully troubleshot yet. Some people here want to get their money's worth out of a phone they paid a lot of money for and don't want to devote the better part of a day (at the very least) to find something they'll only find a deal killing bug one month later after spending hours putting programs back on their phone after flashing (even after UC).
Sorry for opinion almost unrelated, but I don't post without some kind of contribution of my own:
I currently have been running RRE v3 and its a great rom, but it has some camera bugs with the auto rotate and wm6.5 has messaging uglies. It is by far my favorite performing rom, but the camera bugs. My phone, to me, has to be a phone, gps, camera and music player. I plan to go back to RRE the latest with the 6.1 rom no manila and put on chome. I'll let you know how it works out.
I hope this thread can be a place in which people can come to take a look at great performing roms and dl packages of optimizing software with little time spent reading through bugs and potential bug fixes. This in mind, I'll be on again tonight after hopefully fully testing what I hope to be my rom for about 6 months only reporting great or bad or good (with Quick fixes only).
Thanks to all the chefs for their time.
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He did the right thing. He started a new thread instead of clogging other threads with these questions.
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I disagree, all the information he wanted was easily accessible. There's no excuse for not taking some initiative instead of opening up yet another "Hey guyz! What's the best ROM out there for my <insert device name here>" thread.
<rant mode=off> ;-)
I agree…asking a question that is answered 100+ times already is not what this site is about. This site is about the developers and people like my self who are members because we like what he developers do should read more and post less.
Remember this:
I this site becomes about he non-developers it will be ruined!
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I plan to go back to RRE the latest with the 6.1 rom no manila and put on chome. I'll let you know how it works out.
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With a win 6.1 and no manila, how looks your today screen? Do you have some kind of screenshot to show?
Thanks
(I'm using an energy 3 rom with win 6.5, and I like the titanium interface, I wonder what I'll use if I go back to 6.1)
I could say that I'm closing this thread out of spite (nobody plugs my ROM? )... but it's not the case. This type of thread is not permitted according to the rules of XDA-Developers.
Although it can seem like a daunting task, the best thing for the OP to do is read through a few ROM threads, the first few posts should suffice, for a list of features and a changelog. [Shameless Plug]. Lastly, check the date of the most recent release, and then jump to the posts from that date, going forward.
I've been using Xda Dev. for years now for the several HTC's I've had, and you have been a great help and source! So first of thanks to all the guys who put the time into all of this! Great job!
I'm using a bit older (it dates 10/20/08) M-ROM 1.70 (ROM 5.05.405.1 NLD) right now, which works fine but is a bit buggy (setting the alarm screws up your clock, and opening/closing the keyboard automatically shows the today screen, which is very irritating, and voicedailing works crappy). So I thought I'd check for a new ROM.
But what frustrates me most (with any HTC i've had) is that a newer phone, with better hardware only seems to be slower then the last one (I honestly believe my first HTC compact responded faster then my currect touch pro...) It's almost like Vista I think sometimes, all the faster hardware is compensated by too heavy (graphical) software. My HTC touch pro has really never been as fast as the youtube demo's I've seen (switching orientations, opening programs etc)
So I'm really looking for the fastest, cleanest ROM available now, and not the most complete touch3d, filled with funky programs etc. ROM.
What ROM would you recommend (preferably NLD / dutch)?
Thanks for the help!
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Great, thanks for that valuable input... I'm not too lazy to go through the forum and scan the pro's/cons of the various ROM's and not looking for 'the best ROM' (which I agree is a pretty lame question), but I'm looking for a lite/clean and fast ROM for this phone. The answer 'each ROM works different on each phone' I find hard to believe since they're all the same (pretty much) hardware right?
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Great, thanks for that valuable input... I'm not too lazy to go through the forum and scan the pro's/cons of the various ROM's and not looking for 'the best ROM' (which I agree is a pretty lame question), but I'm looking for a lite/clean and fast ROM for this phone. The answer 'each ROM works different on each phone' I find hard to believe since they're all the same (pretty much) hardware right?
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Not at all, each contains many different tweaks and installed stuff. Mine is fast but full of stuff. Try each of them out and see which suit your needs
Cooked ROMs published here are usually full of stuff, even though they're quite fast. If you're looking for a simplier, plain ROM I suggest trying the stock 5.11.205.2 Fuze ROM (very fast and more stable than every Windows 6.5 so far). Or maybe cook something simple with Da_G's kitchen by yourself. I'd recommend 731 build. It's not difficult at all, I assure!
the only funky business here is your thread. DON'T start a new thread just because you are too lazy to read and search. There are plenty of good roms around, with lots of descriptions available. SEARCH and if u have questions about a specific rom post in the APPROPRIATE thread. Mods please close this thread
As has been posted everywhere "best/fastest roms" threads will be closed.
been on the forum for a few weeks since getting a raphael and never realised what fun i could have!!!! had htc devices for years from a vario through to artemis and nike, all on t-mobile uk and never knew all this could be done.
anyway - thanks to all you developers and chefs - tried loads of roms and still trying to learn.
the questions i have are as follows - and yes, I have searched for these answers and have further comments on this below
i love the interface from my mda touch plus / nike, where i swipe up and down to activate menu. i believe this is touchFLO (original)??
is there a simple ROM that incorporates this for my gsm raphael? I haven;t taken to touchflo 3d at all and likewise wm6.5 interface.
also, my gps keeps dropping out when using igo 8 - i get the impression this is common but can't find any info on a rom that is good for gps use which is probably the most important aspect of what rom i finally stick with.
finally, fom a noobs perspective, i've read many threads requesting advice on roms, simple, basic roms etc and these threads are closed and / or banned. Let me assure you, the amount of information on here and diversity of roms, it is extremely hard to try and assess what roms to try, what they will give etc especially if you're relatively new to the forum and don't know the style or history of a chef. many of these rom threads are so large, it would take months to read through and assess the different roms and the one you may be trying to find may be many pages down as it has received no recent comments.
is there a summary page that could be sticky'd or made? what i mean by this is a very simple summary page that a chef could update with a few simple words regarding th latest development of the rom.
eg.
<rom name> - <release date> - <style> - <state of development comments>
wm6.5 - released 20 may 09 - loaded, TF3D, applications bias - new release, some bugs to be ironed out
wm6.1 - released jun 08 - vanilla,simple rom, manilla - fully developed and stable, good for gps issues
from this summary, people woulld have an idea what rom may be suitable for them without extensive searching.
as the rom progressed, the state of development comment could be changed but everything else would essentially remain the same. unless I'm missing something, i think that this would stop a lot of questions and new threads requesting advice as it is really difficult to keep track of roms and development on here. anyone such as myself, unfamiliar with all the roms finds it very frustrating when threads are closed and comments are made from those with more knowledge of the forum that are far from constructive. it would be quicker for some just to suggest a rom rather than ***** on about the lack of knowledge the person requesting the information has.
Good point, well made, read my sig
On the GPS issue you need to go to the radio thread sticky (start on the last page and work backwards, that is after you have read the first post explaining what is what)
Maybe you could volunteer to put together a WIKI page that people could then update (I know as a Chef myself I am generally trying to keep track of bug reports and dont have much time to put anything else together).
My Rom (B4PJS AYCEv2 Fully Loaded)
wm6.5 - releases most days (when the missus doesnt moan at me) - TF3D2/Titanium, any apps I can get my hands on - generally in permanent beta but stable and fast(ish)
Someone posted this the other day.
ROM guide for your HTC Raphael!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523961
Here's a shortlist of most popular ROM's, sorted alphabetically:
Seasoned ROMs
NotATreoFan (NATF series) *
Aruppental (RRE series)
NRGZ28 (EnergyROM series)
Wordsmith9091 (Fuzeberry series)
Intermediate Updates
At0mAng (At0mAng series)
Shepp211 (Premier series)
New To The Scene
B4PJS
jmckeejr
michyprima
Mr. Makk
teixeirabmb
xECK29x
Retired/Moved On
monx
pfcsabre
* a.k.a. Forum Moderator series
@ harra et all
The reality is that flashing is so simple (after HardSPL is done) that the only thing that has to be conquered is the fear of flashing. If you flash from your SD card (which is the simplest and the safest) you could flash many ROMs everyday and decide for yourself what works best with your device, service provider / location and personal preferences in apps and usage. No one knows what is best for you except you. My very first post on this forum was a new thread asking the same question and the response was just as you described, but there was one piece of advice that made sense to me, ‘keep trying new ROMs until you find one you like’ (and then the thread was locked).
The list that hilaireg posted is a great place to start, or you could simply start at the top of the ROM Development page and pick the latest post or pick the one with the most hits etc… You can tell in a few minutes if you like it enough to work with it for a while. If you like it, follow the thread and share your findings with the other users of that ROM. It is fun and helps the chef to perfect his creation based on your discoveries. That is part of the fun we are having here @ XDA. Soon you will be answering questions that others are asking as your expertise grows…
BTW: It is best to have a dedicated 1gb SD card for flashing. I can speak from experience…
Hello everyone,
before I bought my TouchDual, I had a usual HTC Touch. Well, at first the device was horrible slow. Then later on some one released a light ROM which works great till this day (my brother owns the Touch now).
Well, I got the TouchDual, but can't find a slim, fast, stable ROM. Its horrible.
I don't need a overloaded Divice. Just a slim one with all updated drivers and fixed bugs.
Is there anything out there which even comes close? My current ROM is driving me crazy! I prefer an older build it just has to be fast and stable.
PS: Couldn't someone stick a Thread like that? I'm sure plenty people are searching for such an ROM. (Yes I used the search-function)
Dino Crisis said:
PS: Couldn't someone stick a Thread like that? I'm sure plenty people are searching for such an ROM. (Yes I used the search-function)
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The reason why there isn't such a sticky is if you ask 10 people this question, you'll get 8 different replies. There aren't many ROMs for the Nike anyway, so why not try all of it? I did..
It also depends on if you want WM6.1 or WM6.5.
There's not many 6.5 ROMs but NemanjaLO was doing the only Lite ones - as to whether they're completely stable seeing as WM6.5 is still undergoing development well, that's for you to judge.
But, as Lukesky says, it's all down to personal opinion and preference so do a few searches and try some out - you get usually get a good feel for the ROM by people's comments in the thread.
try this one... I've been using the manilla edition of it, and was stable and for a manilla rom packed full with all kind of apps it was fast. I think it will satisfy your needs.
If not, wait untill tWolf sees this thread. He must have flashed every single "basic", "clean" or "lite" version of the roms on this board to his niki and will surely be able to tell you which one was the best
Well I don't need 6.5. I just want an ROM on which I can run Tom Tom smothly, browse for Files and don't get interrupted writing SMS. My current ROM has some very annoying settings.
Such when you use T9 and want to add a custom word, it doesn't automatically switch to ABC-Mode... which is absolutely stupid.
The "Clean Black" Rom doesn't seem too clean with all that stuff on it. Especially the skin...
Where are you Mr. tWolf & NemanjaLO?
PS.: Even though it's right that every ROM has to kinda fit personal need, it is impossible (for people who need their phone everyday) to just try a whole bunch. It's just like buying a car. I need advice for a compact, small, efficient one.
Thanks so far.
If you don't even want the skin, then it's best you cook for yourself, else the lightest nike rom I know has to be this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=435153&highlight=lite
Can you even use that one with an Nike?
i'm haveing a real hard time chooseing what rom to use with my advantage. The main role of my advantage is 1 Phone,
2 Media Player (Online steaming and Off), 3 internet in that order. i've looked through the forums and got the idea of how to flash a new rom but with such a wide selection i'm pretty confused on the differnces between them and i need a hand on choseing. thanks
WoW!!! Thanks for the help i guess.
I saw your first post and after that I got my Athena. I now see your second post and i own the Athen for about two weeks.
All I can tell you is this:
1) You will have to try the ROM's yourself, because everyone has special needs and likes one ROM more than the other.
2) I have so far only tried the original shipped WM5 ROM and MiCHy's R6.1 ROM. I changed the WM5 mainly for one main reason: it was in German.
The ROM I have now works almost at my satisfaction and I already spent much time configuring it to my taste and installing lots of software. I would not want for the next months to install a different ROM, unless there is a good reason (aka, a new functionality).
3) The alternative to MiCHy's R6.1 ROM's are AP4 and newer R6.5 ROM's.
I did not try the AP4, because I did not feel good enough informed to do the SPL upgrade and the WIFI rebuild on my new device. Now I think I understood all steps, however as I mentioned above, it is too much hazzle considering the current ROM works to my satisfaction.
Because I have other HTC devices, I already tried R6.5 ROM's on them. It looks good, but slows the device down (in my opinion). Also, I dont like touch-based menus, because verything gets too big on the screen.
Conclusion:
I recommend a simple R6.1 ROM or, better, the AP4. From what I read so far this seems to be the most popular ROM's.
Recomendation:
I spent days reading all relevant posts on this forum (started prior of receiving my Athena). I asked the questions which were not clear to me, I did my homework. And so should you!
Cheers,
vma